View Full Version : Let's discuss JA
Okay, I appreciate his dad posts on here.
But I would like a serious honest discussion on the potential of this kid.
I have seen him only 4 times this year, but I have noticed the following
* Is lightly framed (will need 2 more solid pre-seasons)
* Is a thumping kick (60 meters is easy for him)
* Is a good tackler
* Is generally good under pressure but sometimes, while under that pressue, choses the wrong option (this is just a coaching thing).
* Has the pace of a Clement
* Is a good overhead mark
* Can take a contested mark
* Tends to kick wide (possibly under instruction)
* Sometimes gets out of postion when the ball is coming in fast (Experience will fix this)
* May need to gain a yard in pace when he plays 1's
What do others think?
MagpieWayne
13 Aug 2006, 14:02
Theres a lot to like about him, give him another pre-season to put on some size and you can pencil him in for round 1 2007.:thumbsu:
Ja, clement, presti, obrien and maxwell down back next year, is there room for jason cloke?
Impressive kid, and i like his determination and anger...
I like the feisty ones :)
MACDAICOS
13 Aug 2006, 14:16
He has never dissapointed me when I've seen him play at Willy this year.....The kid can play good size, good skills, strong mark, pacey looks the goods........P.S Expect Rusling to play Friday night ;)
I really like the look of JA. You say he is light framed but he has the body type that will easily take on more kilos, so size is not a worry for me. Skills look good and he really backs himself in a contest which is also good. As you pointed out, decision making seems to be his weak point at the moment but I see him taking a regular spot next season and in the long term being a replacement for Clement.
Coin_Toss
13 Aug 2006, 14:38
Someone (Gotch or Malthouse) must have had a word in his ear, because he has tightened up his game since the beginning of the new football season. He is still undisciplined every now and then, but he has a bright future ahead of him.
jonesy86
13 Aug 2006, 14:57
Brad Gotch said he started the season off slowly but has come along in leaps and bounds
GeneralDisarray
13 Aug 2006, 14:59
I was impressed watching him yesterday. He's a very creative and attacking backman but I was a little dissappointed how he got beaten a few times in the one on ones.
But what I later realised was that in the VFL, he is taking the oppositions number 1 backman. If he comes into the seniors, this wouldn't be much of a problem as you'd have Clement, Presti, Maxwell taking the best 3 forwards. This would allow JA to play to his attacking game and play a bit loose. I'd love to see him get a run in the next few weeks.
He's also a local boy. :thumbsu:
WakeUpTaz
13 Aug 2006, 19:40
i hope MM plays him this year
Lonie_from_50
13 Aug 2006, 19:51
Good player to look forward to. Devolopment is something that will be taken on board, and wouldn't expect him to play this season, even though his form and the lack of in the seniors, may get him a crack (won't happen).
Jimmy Gwilt
13 Aug 2006, 21:06
He's also a local boy. :thumbsu:
yep the 4th players from diamond creek on your list
If only Bundoora was easily changed into a Collingwood player name.
Timmy from Thomastown
13 Aug 2006, 22:01
I reckon he's a certainty to get a run soon. Looks a long term prospect, as long as he doesnt kick out of bounds on the full at the kick in!!
King Woodie
14 Aug 2006, 10:46
Agree with much of what has been said. He seems to have the type of physical attributes that can be built on, and therefore each preseason would see him get better and better. I wouldn't mind seeing him come in this year anyway just for a bit of a taste against a Carlton, PA, or Kangas. As has been mentioned, he would take the third of fourth tall, so it would be a good little bit of experience for the lad. I have him pencilled in as holding down fullback after Presti steps aside, and from what I have seen he has all the attributes (with the possible exception of genuine heigh - at 191 may not be able to handle the new wave of KPP players 196-199 cm)
PieLebo87
14 Aug 2006, 16:57
Play Him In The Seniors Before Round 22!!!
This may sound complicated but 191cm is enough to cope with even the tallest key forwards. A mark is rarely ever taken at full stretch perfectly vertical while leaping as high as you can. Most of the time a forward has to lean back and hunch over to get leverage over the backman who is positioned behind him and usually standing up straight. Then there are other variables such as the backmans leap and arm span as well as his ability to knock his oponent off his leap and position him off the flight of the ball,
If height was the only thing Sandilands would be deadly up forward but he is pretty average down there. Wakelin was 191cm and was never dwarfed by the likes of Ottens.
Play Him In The Seniors Before Round 22!!!
I'd support that. Form is definitely good.
Timmy from Thomastown
14 Aug 2006, 18:29
Wakelin was 191cm .
Was? How tall is he now?
Coin_Toss
14 Aug 2006, 18:34
Was? How tall is he now?
191cm . Jabso has got his "tongue tied".
As I said previously, Anthony can grow a few inches.
Timmy from Thomastown
14 Aug 2006, 18:39
191cm . Jabso has got his "tongue tied". .
Thought he might have shrunk now that he's a geriatric.:)
crudbucket
14 Aug 2006, 19:15
He has to get a clearance from Brisbane first !
If Jack Regan was the prince off fullbacks and Presti the charismatic jester of fullbacks then surely Jack Anthony is THE KING.
ALL HAIL KING JACK.
WakeUpTaz
14 Aug 2006, 20:10
haven't seen JA play but if he is as good as you people say he is i don't see why he wouldn't get a spot over maxwell
haven't seen JA play but if he is as good as you people say he is i don't see why he wouldn't get a spot over maxwell
I wonder why this board attracks so many trolls like you?
PieLebo87
14 Aug 2006, 20:31
haven't seen JA play but if he is as good as you people say he is i don't see why he wouldn't get a spot over maxwell
Why'd you even bother?
on_the_sidelines
15 Aug 2006, 12:41
haven't seen JA play but if he is as good as you people say he is i don't see why he wouldn't get a spot over maxwell
Apparrently alot of the boys down there dont like JA much. His opinion of himself would dwarf the eureka tower.
Most willy boys cant stand him either.
In saying that though the kid has potential and if he wakes up and realises that he is not a superstar yet he may actually become a very handy player but from all reports when he first arrived at the club this year his head was stuck so far up his arse that they needed the jaws of life to remove it.
Also rubbed up a very high profile player the wrong way in an intra club game pre season.
Timmy from Thomastown
15 Aug 2006, 12:46
Also rubbed up a very high profile player the wrong way in an intra club game pre season.
Yeah, I heard he became best mates with Lleyton Hewitt and his teammate got jealous.
Apparrently alot of the boys down there dont like JA much. His opinion of himself would dwarf the eureka tower.
Most willy boys cant stand him either.
In saying that though the kid has potential and if he wakes up and realises that he is not a superstar yet he may actually become a very handy player but from all reports when he first arrived at the club this year his head was stuck so far up his arse that they needed the jaws of life to remove it.
Also rubbed up a very high profile player the wrong way in an intra club game pre season.
Mate, unless you have facts, don't talk bull****.
on_the_sidelines
15 Aug 2006, 13:04
Mate, unless you have facts, don't talk bull****.
not talking **** at all.......
I guarantee if anyone actually looked into it they would find out for themselves.
Im not trying to start rumours just letting ppl know some facts about this kid.
Timmy from Thomastown
15 Aug 2006, 13:10
not talking **** at all.......
I guarantee if anyone actually looked into it they would find out for themselves.
Im not trying to start rumours just letting ppl know some facts about this kid.
I know who I'd rather believe
Coin_Toss
15 Aug 2006, 13:16
I heard Williamstown (reserves) players behind me at a game two months ago, they said he was totally up himself.
He may have changed his ways since then...
not talking **** at all.......
I guarantee if anyone actually looked into it they would find out for themselves.
Im not trying to start rumours just letting ppl know some facts about this kid.
Let me put it to you this way, don't come on here slagging off about something/someone you don't know anything about. If all you hear is inuendo and rumour then leave it at that and don't say anything. You claim you have "facts", be prepared to back them up and prove it. I will tell you now, I won't have anyone making those accusations about my son unless you can back up the claims. It's your call sunshine.
I heard Williamstown (reserves) players behind me at a game two months ago, they said he was totally up himself.
He may have changed his ways since then...
CT, In all the time I have posted here, not once have I seen you post positives about him, you mostly say he's middle of the road or just OK. One time you even told me to **** off because I differed from your opinion. Some of you blokes absolutely thrive on hearsay and rumour and love to drag a bloke down just because he has an off day, rough few weeks or is just not playing well. I look forward to the day John makes his debut, but I tell you what, I pity him for all the abuse he is going to cop from some of the armchair experts who ALWAYS know better than everyone else.
Coin_Toss
15 Aug 2006, 14:13
CT, In all the time I have posted here, not once have I seen you post positives about him, you mostly say he's middle of the road or just OK. One time you even told me to **** off because I differed from your opinion. Some of you blokes absolutely thrive on hearsay and rumour and love to drag a bloke down just because he has an off day, rough few weeks or is just not playing well. I look forward to the day John makes his debut, but I tell you what, I pity him for all the abuse he is going to cop from some of the armchair experts who ALWAYS know better than everyone else.
I will meet your argument (front on) concerning me and your son, well, here's my evidence...
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250467
By the way, I just posted what I heard. It had/has got nothing to do with my feelings.
not talking **** at all.......
I guarantee if anyone actually looked into it they would find out for themselves.
Im not trying to start rumours just letting ppl know some facts about this kid.
Mate do you even know who you are f'ing quoting?
I will meet your argument (front on) concerning me and your son, well, here's my evidence...
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250467
By the way, I just posted what I heard. It had/has got nothing to do with my feelings.
Ok, I accept you did post a very positive thread and I thank you ..but why feed the rumour mill by repeating hearsay? I think I have made my feelings perfectly clear about what people say regarding my family and I will let it rest.
Timmy from Thomastown
15 Aug 2006, 16:07
I heard Williamstown (reserves) players behind me at a game two months ago, they said he was totally up himself. ...
Maybe that explains why they are only Reserves players. Maybe its them with the poor attitudes.
MACDAICOS
15 Aug 2006, 16:27
CT, In all the time I have posted here, not once have I seen you post positives about him, you mostly say he's middle of the road or just OK. One time you even told me to **** off because I differed from your opinion. Some of you blokes absolutely thrive on hearsay and rumour and love to drag a bloke down just because he has an off day, rough few weeks or is just not playing well. I look forward to the day John makes his debut, but I tell you what, I pity him for all the abuse he is going to cop from some of the armchair experts who ALWAYS know better than everyone else.
As long as you know that mate because if he has a life in the A.F.L your going to hear alot more worse things said about your son than "He's up himself" (If that was even said at all) that's for sure.....I hear Collingwood supporters every week tear strips off Buckley, Fraser, Didak and co and call them every name under the sun.....And your son will be no different, but saying that I can't wait till he gets he's spot at Collingwood I've watched Willy all year and have been impressed with the whole JA package.........time will only tell.
Maybe that explains why they are only Reserves players. Maybe its them with the poor attitudes.
As long as you know that mate because if he has a life in the A.F.L your going to hear alot more worse things said about your son than "He's up himself" (If that was even said at all) that's for sure.....I hear Collingwood supporters every week tear strips off Buckley, Fraser, Didak and co and call them every name under the sun.....And your son will be no different, but saying that I can't wait till he gets he's spot at Collingwood I've watched Willy all year and have been impressed with the whole JA package.........time will only tell.
Yeah, fair call to both of you. I think JA jas a good level head on his shoulders and he is aware he's going to cop loads of criticism throughout his football life and to be honest, I don't have a problem with that either. If he has a shocker on the ground the supporters will give him a bake. However, when it gets personal with the lowlife of society starting rumours etc that's what gets my back up and I will defend him to the end.
MACDAICOS
15 Aug 2006, 16:53
Yeah, fair call to both of you. I think JA jas a good level head on his shoulders and he is aware he's going to cop loads of criticism throughout his football life and to be honest, I don't have a problem with that either. If he has a shocker on the ground the supporters will give him a bake. However, when it gets personal with the lowlife of society starting rumours etc that's what gets my back up and I will defend him to the end.
That's fair enough too mate......I think any father would for there son.
wires on fire.
15 Aug 2006, 16:58
man what a loser, 'hey everyone bags my son, so im going to come on a footy forum to stand up for him'. lets talk about my son, chris judd.
MACDAICOS
15 Aug 2006, 16:59
man what a loser, 'hey everyone bags my son, so im going to come on a footy forum to stand up for him'. lets talk about my son, chris judd.
Home from school early today?????? P*** off mate.
man what a loser, 'hey everyone bags my son, so im going to come on a footy forum to stand up for him'. lets talk about my son, chris judd.
Who are you referring to as the loser?
wires on fire.
15 Aug 2006, 17:07
Who are you referring to as the loser?
you, idiot.
you, idiot.
I think MACDAICOS got it right...home from school and got nothing better to do. M8, go and grab your porno mag, spank the monkey like a good little boy and get rid of some of that aggression.
MACDAICOS
15 Aug 2006, 17:16
I think MACDAICOS got it right...home from school and got nothing better to do. M8, go and grab your porno mag, spank the monkey like a good little boy and get rid of some of that aggression.
As hard as it is mate.......There's always a few that spoil it for others......Just ignore and they will move on to something else.
MagpieWayne
15 Aug 2006, 17:46
Apparrently alot of the boys down there dont like JA much. His opinion of himself would dwarf the eureka tower.
Most willy boys cant stand him either.
In saying that though the kid has potential and if he wakes up and realises that he is not a superstar yet he may actually become a very handy player but from all reports when he first arrived at the club this year his head was stuck so far up his arse that they needed the jaws of life to remove it.
Also rubbed up a very high profile player the wrong way in an intra club game pre season.
Who gives a schit what nubs from willy think anyway.
As long as he's not soft at the ball or in the contest i couldnt care less if he rubs people up the wrong way.
wires on fire.
15 Aug 2006, 17:49
I think MACDAICOS got it right...home from school and got nothing better to do. M8, go and grab your porno mag, spank the monkey like a good little boy and get rid of some of that aggression.
you're funny mr!
youre like 40 and you say M8. hah.
I haven’t seen enough of him to comment on his ability but if he has attitude issues it could be a problem. If all it is is confidence and duds are bothered by that then just have a think about FIGJAM and where we would have been without him over the last decade. There is nothing wrong with confidence and even a bit of arrogance if he can back it up.
Timmy from Thomastown
15 Aug 2006, 18:11
I haven’t seen enough of him to comment on his ability but if he has attitude issues it could be a problem.
If you dont know, why comment?
What a great troll you are.
If you dont know, why comment?I didn’t comment on his ability did I? I commented on alleged attitude issues and offered both sides of the spectrum. I hardly put the kid down. What are you so sensitive about?
Timmy from Thomastown
15 Aug 2006, 18:18
What a great troll you are.
Nice edit.
Timmy from Thomastown
15 Aug 2006, 18:24
I commented on alleged attitude issues and offered both sides of the spectrum.
Alleged by who?
Dont feed the troll.
Coin_Toss
15 Aug 2006, 19:13
Originally Posted by MarkT
I haven’t seen enough of him to comment on his ability but if he has attitude issues it could be a problem.
Ala Terry Keays. He laughed and pulled smirk expressions when he found out he was dropped to the maggoos because he thought he was too good.
Gee, I rememeber a young kid who came to Collingwood and everyone said "he was up himself" they even game him a nic name of FIGJAM.
I don't see anything wrong with a young kid being full of confidence and determination.
After all, it didn't hurt Buckley.
Ala Terry Keays. He laughed and pulled smirk expressions when he found out he was dropped to the maggoos because he thought he was too good.
This is the same Terry Keays that left the ground during a Grand Final in 2004 and went to the bar.
This is the same Terry Keays that arse****ed around his whole AFL career and got twatted off by two clubs - including Richmond when they were almost dead.
Who gives a **** what Terry Keays thinks of himself, he was an arrogant ****, and he still is.
Now what happened to his AFL career?
JA , all i can say is you are a brave man even posting on this board . These weboards thrive on rumors and heresay. rightly or wrongly it is part of the deal in being an afl footballer. you just have to look at the rumors about bomber thompson as to how damaging it can be or look at the rubbish didak copped for doing something most of us probably do on a weekly basis.
At the end of the day if you son is good enough then it is his football that will do the talking. Good on you for sticking up for your son but it might not be a bad thing to ignore the rumors because it will get a hell of alot worse if and when he becomes a regular senior player.
good luck, hope your son makes it.
ps
And even if he is a bit over confident , he would not be the first. He would be in good company. There's a bloke by the name of Aker who has had a fair career
Timmy from Thomastown
16 Aug 2006, 13:03
To quote the great philospoher and poet, Shirley Strachan, ego is not a dirty word.
Coin_Toss
16 Aug 2006, 13:59
To quote the great philospoher and poet, Shirley Strachan, ego is not a dirty word.
Cassius_Clay and Shirley Strachan aren't best of mates I see :eek: ;)
MACDAICOS
16 Aug 2006, 14:12
I'm lucky enough to know one of the fitness specialists down at Collingwood, I spoke to him last night on the phone regarding this issue........He said it was rubbish, "JA is a good kid with a level head who works as hard as anyone at the club and he'll get he's chance soon"
Collingwood will be off to Spain in early November too to continue there altitude training from there Arizona experiance last year.....;)
spoljar
16 Aug 2006, 15:14
Gee, I rememeber a young kid who came to Collingwood and everyone said "he was up himself" they even game him a nic name of FIGJAM.
I don't see anything wrong with a young kid being full of confidence and determination.
After all, it didn't hurt Buckley.
Murray, here lies the problem with this country overall! Its called the Tall Poppy Syndrome! We like to cut down anyone who has ability, Confidence and Determination to make ourselves feel better about our own deficincies!
Very Sad Indeed! From what I have heard from people that have met him, he is very approchable and pleasant off the field! I certainly hope he is an absolute Mongrel on it as we have enough Pussies on it and I would hate for JA to be another!
Murray, here lies the problem with this country overall! Its called the Tall Poppy Syndrome! We like to cut down anyone who has ability, Confidence and Determination to make ourselves feel better about our own deficincies!
Very Sad Indeed! From what I have heard from people that have met him, he is very approchable and pleasant off the field! I certainly hope he is an absolute Mongrel on it as we have enough Pussies on it and I would hate for JA to be another!
Yeah, strange isn't it?
Knocking someone for knowing they have ability and for being keen to show it.
The best thing we can do for JAJH, and he can do for himself (which he has done) is keep the fact he is his father under wraps. Its ok now but when he starts playing games if we help him keep a low profile he won't be targeted.
The best thing we can do for JAJH, and he can do for himself (which he has done) is keep the fact he is his father under wraps. Its ok now but when he starts playing games if we help him keep a low profile he won't be targeted.
Jabso, as much as I appreciate your concerns, it's probably a bit late to hide who I am and I can handle myself when it comes to criticism from the public. I spent a number of years in the Vic Police Force so it is fair to say I have had my share of dealing with the unsavoury side of the public.
WakeUpTaz
16 Aug 2006, 18:49
just wondering, how old is JA(footballer)
Hadders
16 Aug 2006, 18:53
I'm lucky enough to know one of the fitness specialists down at Collingwood, I spoke to him last night on the phone regarding this issue........He said it was rubbish, "JA is a good kid with a level head who works as hard as anyone at the club and he'll get he's chance soon"
wow that sounds like it came out of page 4 of the "how to deal with the media" manual.:D
Kaitsey
16 Aug 2006, 19:01
if i was his son, i would be embarassed that my dad is on a footy forum sticking up for me.
its like your dad coming to school and fighting someone thats been bullying you! hah!
i've watched him play......hes ok but i've heard hes heaps stuck up and not many people like him (like son like father eh?), hes not gonna make it though.
DELISTED!!!!
if i was his son, i would be embarassed that my dad is on a footy forum sticking up for me.
its like your dad coming to school and fighting someone thats been bullying you! hah!
i've watched him play......hes ok but i've heard hes heaps stuck up and not many people like him (like son like father eh?), hes not gonna make it though.
DELISTED!!!!
Jeez thats pathetic, you dont even know these people yet ur the first to make a judgement about their personalities, get a life seriously! JA's father has every right to come onto this board like anyone else, its just that he has a son on our list that makes him different. He is a valuable member too on this forum as he regularly gives us photos of the players training and williamtowns game, especially helpful for those of us that dont live in melbourne or victoria. And he is just doign what any father would do, Im sure you'd defend your family as well!
PieLebo87
16 Aug 2006, 20:52
JAJH, sorry to annoy you but Illes was told Wednesday evening, a couple weeks ago, that he'd be selected against Adelaide. Just curious of John has recieved the same news tonight from MM, I'd hope thats whats been said.
Another question, do you believe JA is ready for finals football if he was picked within the next few weeks or it'd be better for him to play a game or two then go back and prepare for a big one next season..?
Rusling better be in as well. Form warrents it!
One of the big three should be out (Bucks, Taz, Pebbles)
Timmy from Thomastown
16 Aug 2006, 21:02
JAJH, sorry to annoy you but Illes was told Wednesday evening, a couple weeks ago, that he'd be selected against Adelaide. Just curious of John has recieved the same news tonight from MM, I'd hope thats whats been said.
What a stupid bloody question. Why dont you ring Mick Malthouse and ask him yourself?
JAJH, sorry to annoy you but Illes was told Wednesday evening, a couple weeks ago, that he'd be selected against Adelaide. Just curious of John has recieved the same news tonight from MM, I'd hope thats whats been said.
Another question, do you believe JA is ready for finals football if he was picked within the next few weeks or it'd be better for him to play a game or two then go back and prepare for a big one next season..?
Rusling better be in as well. Form warrents it!
One of the big three should be out (Bucks, Taz, Pebbles)
I wish I knew..I have been waiting all week to hear if he is getting a run with the Pies this week. I thought the team list would have been posted by now seeing as they are playing Friday night. I don't have any doubt he is ready for finals whether it be with Willy or the Pies...if you are selected,you play. If I hear anything, I will let you all know.
Coin_Toss
17 Aug 2006, 09:36
I wish I knew..I have been waiting all week to hear if he is getting a run with the Pies this week. I thought the team list would have been posted by now seeing as they are playing Friday night. I don't have any doubt he is ready for finals whether it be with Willy or the Pies...if you are selected,you play. If I hear anything, I will let you all know.
Thank you, JA Snr.
Hope he gets a run sooner rather than later... :thumbsu:
if i was his son, i would be embarassed that my dad is on a footy forum sticking up for me.
its like your dad coming to school and fighting someone thats been bullying you! hah!
i've watched him play......hes ok but i've heard hes heaps stuck up and not many people like him (like son like father eh?), hes not gonna make it though.
DELISTED!!!!
So should I not say my little brother posts on Big Footy incase people think I am sticking up for him.
Idiot, crawl back under your rock
if i was his son, i would be embarassed that my dad is on a footy forum sticking up for me.
its like your dad coming to school and fighting someone thats been bullying you! hah!
i've watched him play......hes ok but i've heard hes heaps stuck up and not many people like him (like son like father eh?), hes not gonna make it though.
DELISTED!!!!
Shouldn't you be off ironing your husband's shirts or something Kaitey??
PieLebo87
17 Aug 2006, 17:32
What a stupid bloody question. Why dont you ring Mick Malthouse and ask him yourself?
Stupid question? :confused: Why dont you post something more constructive you F-ING id!0t! It wasnt to you, it was to someone else so kiss my a55! :thumbsu:
mr incredibe
17 Aug 2006, 18:01
if he doesn't play one's, it would be great to see him play on young Reiwoldt for the devils.
campbell023
17 Aug 2006, 19:38
if i was his son, i would be embarassed that my dad is on a footy forum sticking up for me.
its like your dad coming to school and fighting someone thats been bullying you! hah!
i've watched him play......hes ok but i've heard hes heaps stuck up and not many people like him (like son like father eh?), hes not gonna make it though.
DELISTED!!!!
Now why would you come to post on our board about someone that hasn't played one senior game? He is a bottom age player who will take time. I think he will be a good player for us.
This is the same Terry Keays that left the ground during a Grand Final in 2004 and went to the bar.
You're not saying he was actually playing in said Grand Final and left the ground to drink *****?
I had never heard this!
Where and for who did this happen?
If so, what a c***head.
I remember reading Brian Taylor's 1990 Diary and he said he and Athas Hrysoulakis had all the talent in the world but terrible attitudes!