View Full Version : Round 20 Adelaide vs Bulldogs - Team Changes, etc
INS: Roo, Skippy, Torney, Knights, Biglands
OUTS: Kenny, Bassett, Needles and/or Massie (hate to do this but we will need more rotations next week against the WB midfield), Maric
More important than the ins will be our structure.
You forgot Johncock and Hentschell and Doughty and Thompson and Maric and :mad: stop wetting yourself every time we lose a game
In Roo and Biglands
See what is wrong with McGregor and Bassett. I think Bass is just sore.
birdmanptr
13 Aug 2006, 17:57
stop wetting yourself every time we lose a game
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Fair go it was not good lets be honest today was not good
stop wetting yourself every time we lose a game
Spot on, talk about nervous nannies. The motto of "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" is appropriate here - DON'T PANIC.;)
In : Roo and Biglands
Out : McGregor and Maric
If Bassett is injured then Torney comes in.
We are 3 weeks before the finals, show some faith in your players that have got us to the position we are now in (15-4). Fine tune by all means but we must stop any knee jerk reactions.
Fair go it was not good lets be honest today was not good
No it wasnt , but really it was one poor quarter..the last.. if we got rid of every poor player we wouldnt have a team
Fair go it was not good lets be honest today was not good
Lost by 15 points to a side that this year (include last year as well) has a reasonable record on the road (4-5 before today), has won 5 in a row, has exciting youngsters and seems to play well against us (this must be a WA thing). Yes, disappointed but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water!
Lost by 15 points to a side that this year (include last year as well) has a reasonable record on the road (4-5 before today), has won 5 in a row, has exciting youngsters and seems to play well against us (this must be a WA thing). Yes, disappointed but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water!
FFS - lets not accept mediocrity - I am not calling fo everyones head - but that loss was unacceptable.
I would be calling for a few outs from the Coaching Box for their efforts today.
What about changing things around?
Why play Maric?
Lets get some fricking speed into the midfield or at least get some more rotations going.
I do not want a repeat of last year's fadeout.
OK - sorry Perth Crow ad Kirky i forgot our midfield was playing brilliantly, getting their first hands on the ball and running away from he oppoisiotn with their leg speed. And sorry I forgot that our forward ine is functioning like a well oiled machine. And sorry I forgot how well our decision making was today when we were again put under pressure
I will not accept a defeat like this and beleive that changes need to occur -given the nature of the Bullies lineup.
I also think we missed on some golden chances this year - to play younger players. Douglas should have got a game by now.
I think Port showed us last night what can happen when you play kids.
crows98
13 Aug 2006, 18:34
In: Ricciuto, Hudson, Skipworth
Out: Bassett (injury), Maric (dropped), Porplyzia (dropped)
Rhett Biglands should be given an extra week to get over the hamstring injury or whatever injury he has been carrying for the last few weeks. Ben Hudson has played a few weeks in the SANFL has shown he can get though a game of league football, it time to bring him back at the expense of the rookie Ivan Maric
Nathan Bock can go back into the defensive half to cover the loss of Nathan Bassett (should he miss) and Mark Ricciuto and Scott Welsh can work as a duo out of the forward 50, Hudson to come into the side as I don’t believe that Biglands will come up for the Western Bulldogs game and Skipworth deserves to be given and opportunity to play after his SANFL form yesterday.
crows98
13 Aug 2006, 18:47
Lost by 15 points to a side that this year (include last year as well) has a reasonable record on the road (4-5 before today), has won 5 in a row, has exciting youngsters and seems to play well against us (this must be a WA thing). Yes, disappointed but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water!
Let’s not forget that we were playing at home, we are sitting top and they are still fighting for a place in the top 8. We were leading at ¾ times and ultimately capitulated in the last quarter, kicking 6 points. We didn’t show up in the last quarter to contest the victory.
The 22 player that pulled the jumper on today was far from a premiership contender, taking into consideration Fremantle form and confidence, we still capitulated in the last quarter on out own home ground.
Stiffy_18
13 Aug 2006, 18:50
stop wetting yourself every time we lose a game
:D :thumbsu:
I think Kenny will be out, Biglands would be doubtful for next week. Bassett had bruised hip after collingwood game and re-did it again today so not sure where he stands.
At this stage my only change would be Roo for Kenny.
Stiffy_18
13 Aug 2006, 18:51
INS: Roo, Skippy, Torney, Knights, Biglands
OUTS: Kenny, Bassett, Needles and/or Massie (hate to do this but we will need more rotations next week against the WB midfield), Maric
More important than the ins will be our structure.
Have you actually watched any of our games this year? :confused:
Massie has spend more time in the midfield than in defence.
Greatness23
13 Aug 2006, 18:53
Ok, already time to forget about todays game. We've been in bad form, Fremantle are in hot form. No huge surprises.
Western Bulldogs, the MCG, both in the top 8, both hit with injuries, the MCG, both looking to get back into form, September closing in, the MCG.
Great opportunity for Adelaide to get a few key players back, have a big win and cause some teams to start crapping their pants at the sight of us again.
Can't wait!
I'll repeat again, I'm disappointed with todays result and there were a number of issues which need addressing but changing 3-4 players every week for the next 3 weeks will not achieve anything and could do more damage. This is what must occur:-
1) We need to settle the side as much as possible - most of the players who played today have played for most of the year.
2) The playing group must work harder to address those areas which we have failed recently.
3) If other teams have worked us out, what are alternative Plan B & C.
4) But most of all, DON'T PANIC.
And another thing, Fremantle are not a bad side and for some reason both WA sides seem to have the wood on us.
I agree, I didn't understand the Maric issue - Biglands was in doubt all week and yet we didn't have a ruckman as emergency. Absolutely baffling. Yes, the coaches box does have a few queries.
Out: Basset, McGregor, Porplyzia, , Maric
In: Ricciuto, Skipworth, Hudson/Biglands, Torney
Have you actually watched any of our games this year? :confused:
Massie has spend more time in the midfield than in defence.
Let me be clearer - I think we will need people with a little more pace in the midlfield as well as more options. I see Skippy, Knights having more of these qualities than Massie or Needles (given that the latter does not get anopportunity to show his wares there).
MASSIE played much of his footie is defence this year - it maybe you that needs to go back to your old old footie records:mad: :mad: :mad: . It has been only relatively recently that he has gone more into the midfield.
crows_4_life
13 Aug 2006, 19:29
In: Ricciuto, Biglands, Knights, Perrie
Out: Porplyzia, Maric, McGregor, Bassett (if injured) or Stevens (was pathetic today!! looked as if he didn't want to get his dress dirty)
Southerntakeover
13 Aug 2006, 19:32
I hope we bounce back for my interstate trip. Since ive booked the damn thing our forms gone down hill :(
macca23
13 Aug 2006, 19:33
In: Ricciuto, Biglands, Knights, Perrie
Out: Porplyzia, Maric, McGregor, Bassett (if injured) or Stevens (was pathetic today!! looked as if he didn't want to get his dress dirty)
That's totally unfair IMO.
Pavlich has slaughtered far bigger names than Stevens. and if you asked Pav about his game today, he would say that it was fair.
I thought that given the way that the ball was delivered to Pavlich, Stevens game was pretty good.
Kane McGoodwin
13 Aug 2006, 19:36
That's totally unfair IMO.
Pavlich has slaughtered far bigger names than Stevens. and if you asked Pav about his game today, he would say that it was fair.
I thought that given the way that the ball was delivered to Pavlich, Stevens game was pretty good.
I thought the same Macca. Stevens was far from disgraced on Freo's best player. At least he is putting in an efort, unlike some other players.
crows_4_life
13 Aug 2006, 19:39
I thought the same Macca. Stevens was far from disgraced on Freo's best player. At least he is putting in an efort, unlike some other players.
i didn't understand why when pavlich was at FF why wasn't Rutten on him????? Rutten is a way better match up for him
Drummond
13 Aug 2006, 19:42
Those who are simply putting this game down as a “predictable” loss and a non surprising result are dreaming. We’re in trouble.
If and when we come up against the Eagles in the Finals we’ll be absolutely slaughtered yet again because of our slow and weak midfield. I don’t know why Robert Shirley stands in every centre contest because he doesn’t do a good job of tagging, and he can’t find enough the footy and his skills are extremely average. Yet we have Scott Thompson, probably our strongest and most physical midfielder, being wasted elsewhere. We need strength; we are simply being outworked and out-muscled.
And our forward line structure is in disarray, as I said in another thread Hentschel is playing alright but he doesn’t insert his authority in enough contests. He is good enough to kick 3 or 4 goals every single game but he doesn’t get involved enough. With his pace and skills he is a handful for opposition defenders, but he’s not doing enough. McGregor is just playing the worst footy of his career and although he’s probably going to miss through injury, he should have been dropped long ago.
Opposition coaches have shut down our game plan that not so long ago was incredibly effective, and we’ve been exposed as a club with a weak midfield and a poor forward structure.
Stiffy_18
13 Aug 2006, 19:58
Let me be clearer - I think we will need people with a little more pace in the midlfield as well as more options. I see Skippy, Knights having more of these qualities than Massie or Needles (given that the latter does not get anopportunity to show his wares there).
MASSIE played much of his footie is defence this year - it maybe you that needs to go back to your old old footie records:mad: :mad: :mad: . It has been only relatively recently that he has gone more into the midfield.
Firstly, I don't need my footie (sick) records to tell me where a player is playing. I use my eyes and I suggest you do the same.
If wing is now considered in defence then you are right because Massie has played 90% of his time this year on the wing. Next time you go to watch the crows, I suggest you open your eyes. You might see something ;)
Kane McGoodwin
13 Aug 2006, 20:14
Some selection dilemas this week, with injured players (McGregor & Bassett) & short Bullies forward line. Who plays on Brad Johnson - Massie? Do we push Rutten forward like last time, given McGregor will be out/Perrie looks underdone? What will Roo's role be given a need for him in te midfield - can he play there for at least some of the time? Skippy deserves a recall too.
Carl Spackler
14 Aug 2006, 01:34
And our forward line structure is in disarray, as I said in another thread Hentschel is playing alright but he doesn’t insert his authority in enough contests. He is good enough to kick 3 or 4 goals every single game but he doesn’t get involved enough. With his pace and skills he is a handful for opposition defenders, but he’s not doing enough.
I actually reckon that he does too much. He runs all over the place. He was absolutely knackered by the last quarter today. He runs to some terrible spots and wastes a lot of energy. When we were kicking long in the last quarter to the hot spot where was he?
The Johnson match up is interesting. Last time Van Berlo played on him and did an excellent job. And because Rutten didn't have a decent match up he played at full forward. Looked pretty good too, though he didn't kick any goals.
We could set up similarly this week, particularly if McGregor is out.
Vic Crow
14 Aug 2006, 02:54
I suppose it all depends on injury but a few weeks ago I said that our side that plays Round 20 at the MCG should be as close to our finals team as possible.
OUT: McGregor (either injury or form)
IN: Roo
After that it's tougher. If Biglands can play then bring him in for Maric. If not, we will have an interesting dilemma. If we are trying to bring Huddo back (I haven't seen him yet but his SANFL form sounds promising) and Biglands isn't ready this week we could be in the situation where we would be bringing in two ruckmen for Round 21 and dropping two ruckmen. Hopefully Biglands can play this week to come in for Maric and then in Round 21 or 22 if Huddo progresses he can come in for Clarke.
The way I see it Skippy, Torney and Porplyzia are battling hard for one spot.
Iif Huddo progresses he can come in for Clarke.
Clarke again? I thought he was quite good today. Threw his body on the line on a few occassions and even took some telling marks
Vic Crow
14 Aug 2006, 04:32
Clarke again? I thought he was quite good today. Threw his body on the line on a few occassions and even took some telling marks
Oh, don't get me wrong. I thought Clarke was good today. Would've been the best game he's had this season off the top of my head. At the end of the day, if Huddo looks like he's hitting some form though I know who I'd rather have in the team.
I'm not a Clarke basher, for the record. :p
Kickin_Goals
14 Aug 2006, 06:05
Outs - Shirley, Maric, McGregor, Clarke, Bassett*
Ins - Biglands, Roo, Skipworth, Hudson, Torney*
*depends on injury
Perrie is not even at SANFL standard honestly having Skippy play CHF would be much better then Perrie who is not a good mark or kick yet these are the reasons Skipworth is supposedly out of the side while Shirley sits in the centre.
If you think Clarke is what we need against a quick team despite playing a decent game I'm not sure you are using your noggin.
If you don't take players out the replacements get no adjustment time.
These changes won't happen though.
Bock/Stevens could be ommited instead as I'm certain Shirley will stay for no apparent reason.
jenny61_99
14 Aug 2006, 10:49
Those who are simply putting this game down as a “predictable” loss and a non surprising result are dreaming. We’re in trouble.
If and when we come up against the Eagles in the Finals we’ll be absolutely slaughtered yet again because of our slow and weak midfield. I don’t know why Robert Shirley stands in every centre contest because he doesn’t do a good job of tagging, and he can’t find enough the footy and his skills are extremely average. Yet we have Scott Thompson, probably our strongest and most physical midfielder, being wasted elsewhere. We need strength; we are simply being outworked and out-muscled.
And our forward line structure is in disarray, as I said in another thread Hentschel is playing alright but he doesn’t insert his authority in enough contests. He is good enough to kick 3 or 4 goals every single game but he doesn’t get involved enough. With his pace and skills he is a handful for opposition defenders, but he’s not doing enough. McGregor is just playing the worst footy of his career and although he’s probably going to miss through injury, he should have been dropped long ago.
Opposition coaches have shut down our game plan that not so long ago was incredibly effective, and we’ve been exposed as a club with a weak midfield and a poor forward structure.
So, Mr Negative Nelly, what the hell would YOU do about it? It's one thing to lambast this and that, it's quite another to come up with a solution. And don't you think NC and cohorts will be doing exactly that???
jenny61_99
14 Aug 2006, 10:53
Some selection dilemas this week, with injured players (McGregor & Bassett) & short Bullies forward line. Who plays on Brad Johnson - Massie? Do we push Rutten forward like last time, given McGregor will be out/Perrie looks underdone? What will Roo's role be given a need for him in te midfield - can he play there for at least some of the time? Skippy deserves a recall too.
In my opinion ROO will NOT play in the mid-field at all fpr the rest of this year, and perhaps never again. Clearly he is not fit, and unless a miracle happens over the offseason, I doubt he will be able to recover that level of fitness again in that ageing body. He looks damaging (most times) in the forward line... might just have to be happy with him staying there. The alternative is unthinkable.
Capitalist
14 Aug 2006, 11:13
althought I thought Bock looked great up forward - you would think we would go back - no offence to Rutten but for some reason bock looks more mobile than Rutten.
Rutten at FF (assuming Kenny out) would be a good thing, strong hand good lead and has a brain !
i think they are going to find it difficult to keep skippy out - he was awesome against the Roosters - Hudson and Perrie don;t look anywhere near AFL football
Jars458
14 Aug 2006, 11:51
Some selection dilemas this week, with injured players (McGregor & Bassett) & short Bullies forward line. Who plays on Brad Johnson - Massie? Do we push Rutten forward like last time, given McGregor will be out/Perrie looks underdone? What will Roo's role be given a need for him in te midfield - can he play there for at least some of the time? Skippy deserves a recall too.
Van Berlo beat Johnson last time so will get first crack
Agreet that Rutten should go forward.
Torney and Skippy will come in for sure.
I would be tempted to play Hudson now to give him some match fitness
Perrie cant' be selected as he was terrible agaisnt the Eagles by all accounts.
Knights is another possibility for his pace.
In = Roo, Torney & if Biglands is not ready then bring in Hudson.
Out = K Mac, Maric & Porplyzia.
We have no reason to panic just yet as long as our coaching staff have their eyes on the big picture.
RogerRabbit69
14 Aug 2006, 11:58
In my opinion ROO will NOT play in the mid-field at all fpr the rest of this year, and perhaps never again. Clearly he is not fit, and unless a miracle happens over the offseason, I doubt he will be able to recover that level of fitness again in that ageing body. He looks damaging (most times) in the forward line... might just have to be happy with him staying there. The alternative is unthinkable.
I can't understand why the coaching staff would have given Roo a taste of on-ball action (albeit brief) over the past few weeks if they have no intention of him playing there again. You'd think he'd at least be a chance of pinch-hitting in the midfield for short bursts. Craig's suggested in his press conferences that he's aiming to give Roo more time on the ball.
Capitalist
14 Aug 2006, 12:12
Knights is another possibility for his pace.
Knights is a strange one - I watched the Eagles v Roosters game and couldn't work out why Knights hasn't quite made it at AFL level.
Skippy is probably more polished than Knights at this point, Knights is still a ball magnet and his kicking seems to have improved a fair bit as well.
I would say if it was between Skippy and Knights Skip will get the call up
jenny61_99
14 Aug 2006, 12:20
I can't understand why the coaching staff would have given Roo a taste of on-ball action (albeit brief) over the past few weeks if they have no intention of him playing there again. You'd think he'd at least be a chance of pinch-hitting in the midfield for short bursts. Craig's suggested in his press conferences that he's aiming to give Roo more time on the ball.
I could be wrong, but from what I have seen of Roo this year, he is no longer mid-field material. Perhaps pinch-hitting may be what the coaching staff were testing - seeing if he's capable of it? What they AIM to do, and what the man is now capable of may be two completely different things.
RogerRabbit69
14 Aug 2006, 12:34
I guess only time will tell .... but I'd be surprised if Ricciuto doesn't get a taste of midfield action come finals time. It may only be for five-minute bursts ... but his presence around the ball is still significant IMO.
Glenno23
14 Aug 2006, 13:39
I guess only time will tell .... but I'd be surprised if Ricciuto doesn't get a taste of midfield action come finals time. It may only be for five-minute bursts ... but his presence around the ball is still significant IMO.
Agree totally here RR.... I think they will leave him until finals, and chuck him in there then. The week off would have done wonders for his body. When Buckley had the week off (rested) his average disposals went from 20 to 27 per game. Lets hope Roo does the same.
I thought Clarke was great yesterday, considering he was rucking pretty much on his own, so he would get a game this week. Is it worth bringing huddo back for this week? WB are a short team, and we could use that to our advantage and him him play the last 10 mins of each quarter and get some match fitness into him. What date was his injury laast year? I thought NC didn't want anyone that did a knee, back in the AFL, unless its been over 12 months since he did it?
Who got West last time we played them? and how did West play? Did he tear us up? (I missed that game)
. What date was his injury laast year? I thought NC didn't want anyone that did a knee, back in the AFL, unless its been over 12 months since he did it?
Aug 14
So he will be right on the time limit
Wayne's-World
14 Aug 2006, 14:23
That's totally unfair IMO.
Pavlich has slaughtered far bigger names than Stevens. and if you asked Pav about his game today, he would say that it was fair.
I thought that given the way that the ball was delivered to Pavlich, Stevens game was pretty good.
I agree there were worse players out there today
Vic Crow
14 Aug 2006, 14:28
I disagree with the people saying if Biglands isn't ready then bring Hudson back in. The decision on Hudson MUST be made on it's own merits and cannot be simply because another experienced ruckman is out. If Hudson is ready, then so be it but they can't rush him if Biglands can't come up.
Wayne's-World
14 Aug 2006, 14:29
Knights is a strange one - I watched the Eagles v Roosters game and couldn't work out why Knights hasn't quite made it at AFL level.
Skippy is probably more polished than Knights at this point, Knights is still a ball magnet and his kicking seems to have improved a fair bit as well.
I would say if it was between Skippy and Knights Skip will get the call up
Not really ....second year, first full PS and 19 years old....I would have thought he has achieved more than he ever thought.
I really can't see Skippy coming in .....he obviously has been overlooked consistently this year, doesn't add any pace and IMO there are players with more positional flexibility which I think you need in finals.
Wayne's-World
14 Aug 2006, 14:33
I could be wrong, but from what I have seen of Roo this year, he is no longer mid-field material. Perhaps pinch-hitting may be what the coaching staff were testing - seeing if he's capable of it? What they AIM to do, and what the man is now capable of may be two completely different things.
Jenny hopefully Roo has been babysitting the FF role for Welsh......we need his ability in close at stoppages and clearances to push some players off the ball, clear some openings for our runners.
It seems our midfield lacks that true inside midfielder who can dish out.
Capitalist
14 Aug 2006, 15:01
Not really ....second year, first full PS and 19 years old....I would have thought he has achieved more than he ever thought.
I really can't see Skippy coming in .....he obviously has been overlooked consistently this year, doesn't add any pace and IMO there are players with more positional flexibility which I think you need in finals.
who ?
on Knights - i wasn't being critical - you can see the footy smarts he has and the ability he - I can;t work out why VB who didn;t do much at SANFL level compared to Knights can be so successful while the equally (some may say more) talented Knights really seemed to struggle at AFL level.
glengowan
14 Aug 2006, 15:51
Out: Basset (injured), McGregor (injured), Maric, Porplyzia
In: Torney, Ricciuto, Hudson, Skipworth
I would leave Biglands and Hart out for another week to make sure they are fully recovered. Perfect opportunity to give Torney and Hudson (who are both in the Crows best 22 IMO) a game a few weeks out from finals. Skipworth's form in the SANFL has been too good to ignore and deserves a chance. Maric and Porplyzia have been impressive in their first season, but haven't done enough to warrant selection over the players above.
I can;t work out why VB who didn;t do much at SANFL level compared to Knights can be so successful while the equally (some may say more) talented Knights really seemed to struggle at AFL level.
Some times its all in the head.
Actually I think it may be time to reward form and to include Skippy. If you dont reward form then what incentives do players have?
Roo, Skipworth
jenny61_99
14 Aug 2006, 16:33
Jenny hopefully Roo has been babysitting the FF role for Welsh......we need his ability in close at stoppages and clearances to push some players off the ball, clear some openings for our runners.
It seems our midfield lacks that true inside midfielder who can dish out.
Certainly he proved the match winner when he was moved into the midfield against the Pies... but after 5 minutes (and a couple of brutal knocks) he looked spent. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE him to be back there... however, judging by his fitness level this year, he is no longer mid-field material IMO. BUT if we can use him for 5 minute bursts and then slot him back to the forward line, all the better.
Kickin_Goals
15 Aug 2006, 04:03
Certainly he proved the match winner when he was moved into the midfield against the Pies... but after 5 minutes (and a couple of brutal knocks) he looked spent. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE him to be back there... however, judging by his fitness level this year, he is no longer mid-field material IMO. BUT if we can use him for 5 minute bursts and then slot him back to the forward line, all the better.
Then he shows up next week and runs all game....
I don't see how you can take anything based around fitness into account when a side that was running over teams can't close out the match anymore.
How will the adelaide crows pull up against the western bulldogs?
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Looks as though they are still physically burdened lack creativity but have the desire :D
But hows this here
What is the main cause of the slump in form for Adelaide?
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The result this weekend is almost immaterial. Same with the dead rubber next week.
What is absolutely critical for us this week is that it is our only hitout on the MCG pre-finals for the entire season.
We need to play the structure that will help us should we get to a final on the 'G in a few weeks, not necessarily the structure that will be the optimum to take on the Bulldogs.
For this reason, we almost need to keep our fingers crossed that Eade plays his resting ruckman out of the goalsquare / forward pocket, in order to force Rutten to be played in defence. If Hentschel's likely place in a finals side is as a free roaming forward, that's where he needs to be played, regardless of injuries to Kenny and others. If the plan is to play Roo more as a midfielder with Welsh back in, that needs to happen this week - even if it means Roo only gets 50% of the game time. If Bock is slated as a forward for the finals, that's where he needs to be this week - if his role is to replace Stevens at CHB, that's where he needs to be.
Next week can be a tinkering week. This week needs to be looking down the track at the finals.
beartoo
15 Aug 2006, 18:44
Good post, Marvin. Concur. :thumbsu:
Kickin_Goals
15 Aug 2006, 19:12
!tarot how will ricciuto do in the mid-field this week?
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Drummond
15 Aug 2006, 19:17
I guess only time will tell .... but I'd be surprised if Ricciuto doesn't get a taste of midfield action come finals time. It may only be for five-minute bursts ... but his presence around the ball is still significant IMO.
Ricciuto is in no shape to play in the midfield, he is barely able to play up forward. It would be unwise to play him in the midfield and doing further damage to his already frail body.
And do people think Hudson is in our plans for the finals? To be honest I’m not too sure, I believe he should be included but there’s a strong change it might not happen.
Kickin_Goals
15 Aug 2006, 19:19
Ricciuto is in no shape to play in the midfield, he is barely able to play up forward. It would be unwise to play him in the midfield and doing further damage to his already frail body.
And do people think Hudson is in our plans for the finals? To be honest I’m not too sure, I believe he should be included but there’s a strong change it might not happen.
No faith in the tarot ? :D
maccas_no1
15 Aug 2006, 20:48
*PANIC BUTTON* Hit it if you are wetting your pants:rolleyes:
Talk about having a cry, my god:rolleyes:
In: Roo, Torney, Biglands and Skipworth
Out: McGregor(inj), Bassett (inj), Maric and Porps.
Replacing two injured player's, Maric clearly struggled after playing with Port Magpies on the Saturday two games in a w/end is a fair effort by anyones standard and Porps need a run back int he SANFL and Skippy deserves a run in the 'hoops':thumbsu:
Borgsta
16 Aug 2006, 00:38
We are having a good spirited discussion of the upcoming game over at the Bulldogs board. Please feel free to come on over and share your opinion.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261886
Jars458
16 Aug 2006, 13:09
The result this weekend is almost immaterial. Same with the dead rubber next week.
No way. Never flirt with your form, never underestimate how important winning is.
We must try to win every single game, and yes especially the ones agaisnt Port.
Not saying don't play the way we will in finals but the primary focus must always be on winning.
Never flirt with your form
We've got form to flirt with? :eek:
Jars458
16 Aug 2006, 14:36
We've got form to flirt with? :eek:
Yes we do. Our two losses have been to two of the three in form sides
We can't afford to lose all confidence going into the finals.
We should win all three games in my view.
swanfan
16 Aug 2006, 14:42
Good post, Marvin. Concur. :thumbsu:
Kissing butts will only win you brown tongue points that don't taste nice. :D
Yes we do. Our two losses have been to two of the three in form sides
We can't afford to lose all confidence going into the finals.
We should win all three games in my view.
Don't get me wrong - I want (and expect) us to win 3/3, and then I want us to go on and make it 6/6 too.
However, our spine has very little experience of the MCG.
Nathan Bock has played at the MCG once.
Ben Rutten once.
Scott Stevens twice, never with Adelaide.
Trent Hentschel three times.
I want them to get a good taste of it, and to me while we may have a fractionally better chance of winning this week by using Rutten as a forward, there's very little medium term value in that move, or in Hentschel playing the McGregor role when both players are unlikely to do so when it gets serious in a few weeks.
Add to that the fact that Brent Reilly has been to the G twice, Marty Mattner three times, Hayden Skipworth twice, and Van Berlo, Porplyzia and Maric have never played there, and this week is going to be a real learning experience for the backbone players.
Confidence is an elusive thing, I agree, but West Coast weren't exactly dripping with it going in to September last year - and they were a whisker away from going all the way.
However, our spine has very little experience of the MCG.
Nathan Bock has played at the MCG once.
Ben Rutten once.
Scott Stevens twice, never with Adelaide.
Trent Hentschel three times.
Add to that the fact that Brent Reilly has been to the G twice,
Marty Mattner three times,
Hayden Skipworth twice,
and Van Berlo, Porplyzia and Maric have never played there, .
The grass is green the lines are white and the goals are padded.
It is unfortunate we dont play there every week, but we dont. Those named could play 10 years and still not have enough experience.
I do agree wholeheartedly with structure. You must believe in your structure and tinker with it slowly or in bits and pieces. Making panic moves now is a sign that you dont believe in your structure.
Yea Rutten did play forward last time and may well do so again... I wouldnt mind it actually but Eade will be expecting it...so make it unexpected. Play Rutten at CHB
The grass is green the lines are white and the goals are padded.
And it's shorter than Footy Park and much wider, which makes a difference in timing for leads from the forwards, and in setting up the defensive zone. The backdrop with the new stands in particular is very different to any other ground - and if it's sunny (as I think is forecast) it's a bit tricky seeing the footy coming out of the shadows on the members side.
It is unfortunate we dont play there every week, but we dont. Those named could play 10 years and still not have enough experience.
That's true. And even an experienced player is going to find it different playing there in a final than in front of a crowd of 20000 this weekend.
jenny61_99
16 Aug 2006, 17:49
How often do the Bullies play at the G every year?
How often do the Bullies play at the G every year?
This is their 5th game there this year (and their 3rd in 4 weeks, 4th in 7 weeks). 4 last year, 5 in 2004.
Stiffy_18
16 Aug 2006, 21:53
My biggest interest in this week's selection is whether or not Craigy picks Hudson. I must admit the bit I have seen of him on the weekend he didn't look like he had any problems with his knee. He was going after everything just like you would expect from Huddo. He even kicked a goal with a beautiful snap. With Biglands questionable, I wonder if Craig will bring Huddo back into the side against the Doggies. The idea has some merit as Huddo's form has been very good in the SANFL.
Thoughts?
macca23
16 Aug 2006, 22:15
My biggest interest in this week's selection is whether or not Craigy picks Hudson. I must admit the bit I have seen of him on the weekend he didn't look like he had any problems with his knee. He was going after everything just like you would expect from Huddo. He even kicked a goal with a beautiful snap. With Biglands questionable, I wond if Craig will bing Huddo back into the side against the Doggies. The idea has some merit as Huddo's form has been very good in the SANFL.
Thoughts?
Big chance Stiffy, which I would never have thought 3 weeks ago!!
The way Craig was talking on TV about Huddo tonight I'd be almost surprised if he didn't play, presuming Biglands is out.
Stiffy_18
16 Aug 2006, 22:30
Big chance Stiffy, which I would never have thought 3 weeks ago!!
The way Craig was talking on TV about Huddo tonight I'd be almost surprised if he didn't play, presuming Biglands is out.
Yeah, I heard it too which prompted me to ask the question. It will be interesting to see what Craig does. Huddo doesn't look like he is suffering from lack of confidence in his knee. From the weekend's game it didn't appear like he was tentative. He just put everything on the line. 12 months has passed since he did it so I wonder if Craigy bring him in now.
If Craig has Huddo in his plans for the finals then IMHO, it would be better to give him 2-3 games before the finals. He would definetly add to our midfield in terms of clearences and hard ball gets. He could be a much needed boost in the engine room.
Interesting times ahead.
My biggest interest in this week's selection is whether or not Craigy picks Hudson. I must admit the bit I have seen of him on the weekend he didn't look like he had any problems with his knee. He was going after everything just like you would expect from Huddo. He even kicked a goal with a beautiful snap. With Biglands questionable, I wonder if Craig will bring Huddo back into the side against the Doggies. The idea has some merit as Huddo's form has been very good in the SANFL.
Thoughts?
As expected.
Prolly next week though.
Stiffy_18
16 Aug 2006, 22:58
As expected.
Prolly next week though.
Get injured against Port, come back against Port?! :D :p
My feelings on this are known. I would prefer he came back Jan 2007
My heart will be in my mouth every time he jumps and twists.
Get injured against Port, come back against Port?! :D :p
And make em PAY:thumbsu:
Drummond
16 Aug 2006, 23:09
My feelings on this are known. I would prefer he came back Jan 2007
My heart will be in my mouth every time he jumps and twists.
Not to worry, he's been doing it for a while now, in training and in the SANFL. I watched the replay last night and as Stiffy said he was very impressive. The most impressive aspect about his performance was his crashing into packs, diving on the ground for loose balls, you can tell he has complete confidence in his knee and he’s ready to go. He found a bit of the footy too, and he was just very aggressive, not the slightest bit tentative. His ruckwork was also pretty good, and I believe now is a great time to ease him back into the AFL.
Adam BK
16 Aug 2006, 23:23
My biggest interest in this week's selection is whether or not Craigy picks Hudson. I must admit the bit I have seen of him on the weekend he didn't look like he had any problems with his knee. He was going after everything just like you would expect from Huddo. He even kicked a goal with a beautiful snap. With Biglands questionable, I wonder if Craig will bring Huddo back into the side against the Doggies. The idea has some merit as Huddo's form has been very good in the SANFL.
Thoughts?
Coach confident in Hudson
3:40:03 PM Wed 16 August, 2006
afc.com.au
Adelaide coach Neil Craig believes Ben Hudson is “ready to play” if required at AFL level.
After watching Hudson join 14 other Crows at a non-compulsory training session on Wednesday, Craig revealed his confidence in the ruckman’s recovery from a knee reconstruction.
“He’s been discussed (at selection),” Craig said. “He’s played two and a half games after a full knee reconstruction. So the immediate response to that is, be careful. But I saw Ben play on the weekend and had a discussion with Ben today and he’s absolutely confident that his knee can’t get any better. There is not one movement he is not confident to do. So he would start to come into consideration from now on.”
Dandy_GO
17 Aug 2006, 00:44
Coach confident in Hudson
3:40:03 PM Wed 16 August, 2006
afc.com.au
Adelaide coach Neil Craig believes Ben Hudson is “ready to play” if required at AFL level.
After watching Hudson join 14 other Crows at a non-compulsory training session on Wednesday, Craig revealed his confidence in the ruckman’s recovery from a knee reconstruction.
“He’s been discussed (at selection),” Craig said. “He’s played two and a half games after a full knee reconstruction. So the immediate response to that is, be careful. But I saw Ben play on the weekend and had a discussion with Ben today and he’s absolutely confident that his knee can’t get any better. There is not one movement he is not confident to do. So he would start to come into consideration from now on.”
Huddo is my favourite player, and you've just made me the happiest man in the world.
RuMoR MoNgEr
17 Aug 2006, 10:37
In skippy and Hudson
CrowMagnum
17 Aug 2006, 13:07
Prediction - Hudson will play and reinvigorate the side as the first step to premiership glory.
Bassett is a loss but as good as he's been this year, he is one who needs space in front of him and doesn't cope well with the player running at him as has happened in the last 3 weeks, and McGregor and Biglands out isn't a problem as they have been in particularly poor form lately.
My biggest interest in this week's selection is whether or not Craigy picks Hudson. I must admit the bit I have seen of him on the weekend he didn't look like he had any problems with his knee. He was going after everything just like you would expect from Huddo. He even kicked a goal with a beautiful snap. With Biglands questionable, I wonder if Craig will bring Huddo back into the side against the Doggies. The idea has some merit as Huddo's form has been very good in the SANFL.
Thoughts?
Ohhh but Huddo will NOT play in 2006, that would be stupid of the club, he will play 2007 and no sooner. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Capitalist
17 Aug 2006, 14:47
Ohhh but Huddo will NOT play in 2006, that would be stupid of the club, he will play 2007 and no sooner. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I think his selection will be the biggest talking point at the end of season
I was being sarcastic by the way (i think you know that).
I have been the biggest advocate od Huddo playing this year and like I said all those months ago...he WILL play and WILL make an impact. Can't wait.
Capitalist
17 Aug 2006, 15:29
I was being sarcastic by the way (i think you know that).
I have been the biggest advocate od Huddo playing this year and like I said all those months ago...he WILL play and WILL make an impact. Can't wait.
yeah I know
my point being the selection or non selection of Huddo is going to be a big talking point
Pick him and he does and injury - AFC look bad
Pick him and we get knocked out early finals AFC get the blame for picking a half fit ruckman
don't pick him and get knocked out everyone will question why not
Dandy_GO
17 Aug 2006, 15:33
yeah I know
my point being the selection or non selection of Huddo is going to be a big talking point
Pick him and he does and injury - AFC look bad
Pick him and we get knocked out early finals AFC get the blame for picking a half fit ruckman
don't pick him and get knocked out everyone will question why not
Pick him and he dominates, MASTERSTROKE
Stiffy_18
17 Aug 2006, 15:38
Ohhh but Huddo will NOT play in 2006, that would be stupid of the club, he will play 2007 and no sooner. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
my point being the selection or non selection of Huddo is going to be a big talking point
Pick him and he does an injury - AFC look bad
If he doesn't get picked by the Crows he plays for North Adelaide. So he's playing anyway and he's equally likely to get injured whether he plays for the Crows or North Adelaide.
The risk was bringing him back into competitive football. Now that has happened there is no turning back. We've deemed him ready. Risk of injury is no longer a reason not to pick him for the Crows.
Personally, with a top 2 spot virtually wrapped up, I think we should bring him in immediately. The sooner he gets accustomed to AFL level again the better.
:rolleyes:
Didn't expect more than that respone :)
Capitalist
17 Aug 2006, 17:26
Have we heard anything re: team changes yet ?
I know 5AA doesn’t mention them until 5.30 but I am sure people know long before then !
AndrewJo
17 Aug 2006, 17:38
Ohhh but Huddo will NOT play in 2006, that would be stupid of the club, he will play 2007 and no sooner. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
So are you saying that the Crows are stupid playing him at North Adelaide? Give the medical panel and huddo himself some credit for brains. If he did not feel confident he would not be risking his career for a few games at the end of the season in the SANFL. With Biglands a bit sus give him a run this week and it might answer how far advanced he is.
So are you saying that the Crows are stupid playing him at North Adelaide? Give the medical panel and huddo himself some credit for brains. If he did not feel confident he would not be risking his career for a few games at the end of the season in the SANFL. With Biglands a bit sus give him a run this week and it might answer how far advanced he is.
He was being sarcastic. Those comments were being said at the start of the season.
glengowan
17 Aug 2006, 18:25
Hudson has been named on the interchange in North's league team for this weekend.
Adam BK
17 Aug 2006, 18:54
Adelaide
IN: Ricciuto, Biglands, Hart, Skipworth
OUT: McGregor (hamstring), Bassett (hip), Porplyzia, Maric
EMG: Hudson, Torney, Douglas
Source: Russian from the main board
OUT
SKIPWORTH (CROWS), RUGOLO (KNEE)
Skipworth definite out of the Eagles side - no surprise really given his form over the past couple of weeks and Adelaide has been struggling.
Drummond
17 Aug 2006, 19:00
Uninspiring changes.
Welcome Hayden "My limit is 40" Skipworth! :thumbsu:
Capitalist
17 Aug 2006, 19:19
Adelaide
IN: Ricciuto, Biglands, Hart, Skipworth
OUT: McGregor (hamstring), Bassett (hip), Porplyzia, Maric
EMG: Hudson, Torney, Douglas
Source: Russian from the main board
that is very predictable
Saturday morning, I can already hear the reports:
"Biglands, late withdrawal, Hudson in".
Also great to see Douglas named as an emergency. GUN.
Vic Crow
17 Aug 2006, 20:13
Go Skippy! :D :thumbsu:
Good to see his form rewarded.
Uninspiring changes.
Welcome Hayden "My limit is 40" Skipworth! :thumbsu:
He actually got 41 touches last week, irrespective however 40 possessions is still quite good.
Skippy_14
17 Aug 2006, 20:46
Uninspiring changes.
Welcome Hayden "My limit is 40" Skipworth! :thumbsu:
Do we not remember Round 6, 2005? Adelaide vs Kangaroos, late in the last quarter, margin 4 points... :) Seem to recall a goal from about 50 last week or the week before as well.
Vic Crow
17 Aug 2006, 20:54
Do we not remember Round 6, 2005? Adelaide vs Kangaroos, late in the last quarter, margin 4 points... :) Seem to recall a goal from about 50 last week or the week before as well.
Let's not forget that he was kicking with a wet ball too. :)
Carl Spackler
17 Aug 2006, 21:02
Shane Tongerie kicked 4 goals in a game once.
SpringChoke
17 Aug 2006, 21:11
Skippy's back - you beauty. Our problems with lack of hardness and pace in the midfield have been solved. Happy Days.:thumbsu: :rolleyes:
I can't work out why people call us conservative?:confused: