View Full Version : Hentschel's second efforts
Blue Red and Gold
13 Aug 2006, 19:42
This has always been an area of concern with him, but I thought he had over come this defect in his game but today it was glaringly obvious he hasnt.
Im not sure if it was picked up on during the coverage but at the game it was a real concern for mine. His body language was terrible, it wasnt just when they had the ball, in the last quarter as the ball was moved down the wing he just stod there with his hands on his head.
He did not chase at all, did not even make an effort which was the worst thing, when Freo were chipping it around, it was always Hentschel's man who got free. I hope this will be adressed as we cannot have passengers coming into finals, we need players who are continually going to out in an effort when the chips are down.
Kane McGoodwin
13 Aug 2006, 19:45
Was clearly not 100% fit today. Was knackered come the end of the game. but with injuries on the bench, we had no choice but to keep him on the ground.
sum0005
13 Aug 2006, 19:56
Hentschel really didnt look interested sometimes today.. but when he did look interested he did some good things
RogerRabbit69
13 Aug 2006, 22:52
Was clearly not 100% fit today. Was knackered come the end of the game. but with injuries on the bench, we had no choice but to keep him on the ground.
Yep, agree totally. He was absolutely out on his feet in the last quarter. I don't think it was a lack of effort - he just didn't have anything left to give.
Getting smashed in the back week after week and it been called play on wont help.:rolleyes:
Carl Spackler
14 Aug 2006, 00:46
I thought he actually worked pretty hard today - in terms of covering ground that is. He did look spent and injured in the last 10 minutes.
One of his problems (and Bock too) is that he covers as lot of ground and wastes energy on unecessary, 'dumb' leads to spots where he is never going to get the ball. Is he creating space for other forwards? I don't know, have to ask NC. It looks to me though like he just isn't reading the game well enough.
It was noticeable in the last quarter that we were missing a key target up forward. Our forward entries were ending with a kick to the hot spot but Fremantle were able to take uncontested marks. Where were Bock and Hentschel? For all his shortcomings, we know that McGregor would have been under those long balls.
Was clearly not 100% fit today. Was knackered come the end of the game. but with injuries on the bench, we had no choice but to keep him on the ground.
I dont think he has been fit for a few weeks
Kickin_Goals
14 Aug 2006, 03:13
The entry is poor
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 17:44
the entry is always going to be poor when our forwards are standing flat footed.
Mad Dog
14 Aug 2006, 17:58
ok - I'll go out on a limb and say that Hentschel's second efforts are normally pretty good. He has snapped a shizen load of goals this year from crumbs and tends to get to his feet quite quickly.
:confused:
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 18:07
I stated his second efforts have been much better this year, but I felt yesterday they were horrible. Just seemed disinterested.
arrowman
14 Aug 2006, 18:19
ok - I'll go out on a limb and say that Hentschel's second efforts are normally pretty good. He has snapped a shizen load of goals this year from crumbs and tends to get to his feet quite quickly.
:confused:No argument here. I think if it ever was a "defect", he has gotten over it and I don't think yesterday's game was a good measure.
Mad Dog
14 Aug 2006, 18:23
it's actually odd..........but I'd tend to question his first efforts - rather than his second efforts.
Marking technique definately needs some work IMO and also placement of the body - tends to get over run in the marking contest too much.
arrowman
14 Aug 2006, 18:25
it's actually odd..........but I'd tend to question his first efforts - rather than his second efforts.
Marking technique definately needs some work IMO and also placement of the body - tends to get over run in the marking contest too much.:thumbsu: Mad Dog is my (ugly) twin. :)
crows98
14 Aug 2006, 18:25
I stated his second efforts have been much better this year, but I felt yesterday they were horrible. Just seemed disinterested.
Everyone was flat from the word go, not just Trent Hentschel, I am not using the tapering training session as an excuse as Fremantle played some good football and deserve to win but our boys were running up and down on the spot after about fifteen mins into the first quarter.
Hopefully after a few days break and they can get away from the club, they will freshen up and find that spark that has been missing.
Mad Dog
14 Aug 2006, 18:33
:thumbsu: Mad Dog is my (ugly) twin. :)
one of us should be offended by this.........:confused:
I've got a feeling it's me isn't it..........:(
:p
Stiffy_18
14 Aug 2006, 21:37
it's actually odd..........but I'd tend to question his first efforts - rather than his second efforts.
Marking technique definately needs some work IMO and also placement of the body - tends to get over run in the marking contest too much.
Couldn't agree more. His overhad marking is below average for a player of his size. I thinkhe is very good on the lead and he is reasonable in the one on one, body on body stuff (more strength would be handy) but his overhead marking is a serious issue IMHO.
The Crows Truth
14 Aug 2006, 21:38
i agree with mad Doggy. Its his failure to take contested marks that is my biggest issue. I know some posters thought he was the great white hope as CHF but I dont reckon he will ever crack it there.
He is either a FF or 3rd tall with excellent ground levels skills for a tall
The Crows Truth
14 Aug 2006, 21:40
Couldn't agree more. His overhad marking is below average for a player of his size. I thinkhe is very good on the lead and he is reasonable in the one on one, body on body stuff (more strength would be handy) but his overhead marking is a serious issue IMHO.
great minds! thats always been my concerns stiff when you thought he could be our great white hope as CHF. he is a good player but not the CHF we need (like Watts could have been)
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 21:47
Couldn't agree more. His overhad marking is below average for a player of his size. I thinkhe is very good on the lead and he is reasonable in the one on one, body on body stuff (more strength would be handy) but his overhead marking is a serious issue IMHO.
His one on one marking I think is terrific, rarely gets beaten and at the most will always bring it to ground where he can beat his opponent.
macca23
14 Aug 2006, 21:52
His one on one marking I think is terrific, rarely gets beaten and at the most will always bring it to ground where he can beat his opponent.
I agree with all of the above - that makes him better placed at FF where a quick ball in helps him, whereas at CHF players get smashed by the packs plus ruckmen dropping back.
But Trent is a tricky customer close to goal if we can get that ball in quickly to one on one.
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 22:16
I agree with all of the above - that makes him better placed at FF where a quick ball in helps him, whereas at CHF players get smashed by the packs plus ruckmen dropping back.
But Trent is a tricky customer close to goal if we can get that ball in quickly to one on one.
Yep I agree with that, I initially liked him as a roaming forward but it doesnt aid his greatest attribute as mentioned above.
Our forwards have been dodgy lately, would it work having Welsh as a leading FF and having Hentschel as a stay at home FF and try and isolate him one on one with his opponent.
This way if the lead is on to Welsh, go with it, if not, go longer to Hentschel.
one of us should be offended by this.........:confused:
I've got a feeling it's me isn't it..........:(
:p
Brilliant :thumbsu: :thumbsu:
macca23
14 Aug 2006, 22:22
Yep I agree with that, I initially liked him as a roaming forward but it doesnt aid his greatest attribute as mentioned above.
Our forwards have been dodgy lately, would it work having Welsh as a leading FF and having Hentschel as a stay at home FF and try and isolate him one on one with his opponent.
This way if the lead is on to Welsh, go with it, if not, go longer to Hentschel.
Roo in one pocket and Welsh in the other leading to opposite sides, leaving Trent one out at home near the sticks.
I hate to ask it, but who will play CHF with McGregor out?? :D :confused:
PS It won't be Perrie IMO - nowhere near ready.
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 22:25
McGregor will be hard to replace, been in great form this season, big hole to fill as I believe the carbon rod we had as reserve is busy this week. :D
Could Riccuito play out of CHF, not the traditional CHF role more of a roaming CHF role?
Agree with Perrie, watched pieces of the game on saturday, looked horrible.
Possibly Bock.
macca23
14 Aug 2006, 22:26
Could Riccuito play out of CHF, not the traditional CHF role more of a roaming CHF role?
Agree with Perrie, watched pieces of the game on saturday, looked horrible.
Possibly Bock.
Yes, Bock. It has to be Bock IMO. :thumbsu:
crows98
14 Aug 2006, 22:27
Roo in one pocket and Welsh in the other leading to opposite sides, leaving Trent one out at home near the sticks.
I hate to ask it, but who will play CHF with McGregor out?? :D :confused:
PS It won't be Perrie IMO - nowhere near ready.
Nathan Bock to play CHF with Jason Torney to replace Nathan Bassett (he will not play this week and could miss more than one game :mad: )
Stiffy_18
14 Aug 2006, 22:28
Yes, Bock. It has to be Bock IMO. :thumbsu:
The only problem I have with that structure is that every player you mentioned (Roo, Welshy, Rowdy and Bock) are all similar type of forward. They are all leading types and none of the are a stay at home contested marker type. To me that just doesn't look like a balanced forward line.
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 22:30
smash it into Hentschel's head that he must stay at home, why not try Rutten up forward to play that role. He is discliplined enough to follow this rule.
macca23
14 Aug 2006, 22:32
The only problem I have with that structure is that every player you mentioned (Roo, Welshy, Rowdy and Bock) are all similar type of forward. They are all leading types and none of the are a stay at home contested marker type. To me that just doesn't look like a balanced forward line.
Not quite Stiffy -see the comments above re Hentschel playing from the square. Roo and Welsh will help in that respect. Hentschel wiould be too tall for Harris under that set up.
Bock will just have to cop it sweet standing under the pack and getting smashed, which is the role that Kenny normally takes on.
What's the alternative then Stiffy??
Stiffy_18
14 Aug 2006, 22:32
smash it into Hentschel's head that he must stay at home, why not try Rutten up forward to play that role. He is discliplined enough to follow this rule.
Hentschel is not great overhead so I am not sure that would work. Rutten would be great but they you are robbing Pedro to pay Paulo ;)
When Kenny comes back, maybe he can go back to FB and Rutten forward but that would potentially destabilise the side even more.
Stiffy_18
14 Aug 2006, 22:34
Not quite Stiffy -see the comments above re Hentschel playing from the square. Roo and Welsh will help in that respect. Hentschel wiould be too tall for Harris under that set up.
Bock will just have to cop it sweet standing under the pack and getting smashed, which is the role that Kenny normally takes on.
What's the alternative then Stiffy??
For the game against Bulldogs, definetly play Rutten forward. No argument from me there but I am more looking down the track rather than next week.
If Kenny and Bassett were fit for this week we would have had too many talls for Doggies game anyway.
Drummond
14 Aug 2006, 22:35
The only problem I have with that structure is that every player you mentioned (Roo, Welshy, Rowdy and Bock) are all similar type of forward. They are all leading types and none of the are a stay at home contested marker type. To me that just doesn't look like a balanced forward line.
Hello Chad Gibson. ;) :p
macca23
14 Aug 2006, 22:37
Hello Chad Gibson. ;) :p
I know you're only kidding, but THAT won't happen!! :)
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 22:37
Hentschel is not great overhead so I am not sure that would work. Rutten would be great but they you are robbing Pedro to pay Paulo ;)
When Kenny comes back, maybe he can go back to FB and Rutten forward but that would potentially destabilise the side even more.
No, he is not brilliant over head, but I feel if he is one on one, he will be able to use his footy smarts and positioning to at least bring the ball to ground, where Hentschel can use his attributes to get the ball.
The WB's main forward target is Brad Johnson, Rutten will not be playing against him so it may not be that bigger deal. He played forward last game.
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 22:38
For the game against Bulldogs, definetly play Rutten forward. No argument from me there but I am more looking down the track rather than next week.
If Kenny and Bassett were fit for this week we would have had too many talls for Doggies game anyway.
sorry didnt see this post before I wrote ^ post.
Stiffy_18
14 Aug 2006, 22:38
Hello Chad Gibson. ;) :p
He did his calf again :rolleyes:
He is Josh Krueger reloaded. He only needs to walk out the front door to cop some sort of injury. Great build and athletic ability, and I like his attack on the man and the footy but he has shown absolutely nothing to date. He has spent more time in medical room than on the field. At his rate, they should be charging him rent.
Drummond
14 Aug 2006, 22:39
I know you're only kidding, but THAT won't happen!! :)
Who said I was kidding? :confused: :D
Yeh he's obviously not going to play AFL footy this year, but down the track if we need a stay at home, contested marker type then Gibbo is our man.
macca23
14 Aug 2006, 22:39
No, he is not brilliant over head, but I feel if he is one on one, he will be able to use his footy smarts and positioning to at least bring the ball to ground, where Hentschel can use his attributes to get the ball.
The WB's main forward target is Brad Johnson, Rutten will not be playing against him so it may not be that bigger deal. He played forward last game.
I think they will play Will Minson alongside Johnson to keep height in their forward structure - that means Rutten would have to stay at FB.
Stiffy_18
14 Aug 2006, 22:43
Who said I was kidding? :confused: :D
Yeh he's obviously not going to play AFL footy this year, but down the track if we need a stay at home, contested marker type then Gibbo is our man.
Except that he is not a great marker of the ball. He flies for many but catches only the small number. He drops more than he takes. He definetly makes a contest because he hits the pack hard but his overhead ability is no better, if not worse than Hentschel's
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 22:44
yeah good point, losing Bassett will make this a bit tougher.
Drummond
14 Aug 2006, 22:46
Except that he is not a great marker of the ball. He flies for many but catches only the small number. He drops more than he takes. He definetly makes a contest because he hits the pack hard but his overhead ability is no better, if not worse than Hentschel's
Thankyou for the insight, I've rarely seen him play as I don't attend local footy too often.
Blue Red and Gold
14 Aug 2006, 22:48
My sarcasm reader just blew up!
Whats with that? :D
Mad Dog
15 Aug 2006, 10:17
Roo in one pocket and Welsh in the other leading to opposite sides, leaving Trent one out at home near the sticks.
I hate to ask it, but who will play CHF with McGregor out?? :D :confused:
PS It won't be Perrie IMO - nowhere near ready.
I think Pez should come in now.
Yes - I agree he is definately under done - but Pez is a touch player and needs the AFL environment to regain that - and we are running out of time.
I think he needs to come in and play that "lead up to the wings" roll and emphasise the pressure is not on him to kick 4 or 5 - just lead up and be the link man looking for Welsh and Trentshel on the leads.
I think Pez should come in now.
Yes - I agree he is definately under done - but Pez is a touch player and needs the AFL environment to regain that - and we are running out of time.
I think he needs to come in and play that "lead up to the wings" roll and emphasise the pressure is not on him to kick 4 or 5 - just lead up and be the link man looking for Welsh and Trentshel on the leads.
If he is going to be part of your finals squad( and he is in mine) then I agree he needs to come in soon...and this week is as good as any to give him game time