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no1bankteller
15 Aug 2006, 21:55
Just wanted to see what are your thoughts about which players do we trade that may have value and which ones do we delist?
Players that have trade value:
Michael Gardiner - I am willing to bet that someone will give us at least a first round draft pick even though eveyone is saying that they do not want him.
Andrew McDougall - not sure that we are ready to trade him yet but he probably would have value.
Matther Rosa - I think that he is surplus to our needs and having played in our midfield and got a Rising Star Nomination I think that he may have value.
Rowan Jones - may have some value.
Brett Jones - I think he may be the player that we are likely to trade as we do not seem to be that commited to him. There are number of teams that he would be a great fit for especially Bombers and Kangaroos.
I think we will end up delisting these players:
Damien Adkins
Josh Wooden
Andrew Banfeld will retire.
Just wanted to see what are your thoughts about which players do we trade that may have value and which ones do we delist?
Players that have trade value:
Michael Gardiner - I am willing to bet that someone will give us at least a first round draft pick even though eveyone is saying that they do not want him.
Andrew McDougall - not sure that we are ready to trade him yet but he probably would have value.
Matther Rosa - I think that he is surplus to our needs and having played in our midfield and got a Rising Star Nomination I think that he may have value.
Rowan Jones - may have some value.
Brett Jones - I think he may be the player that we are likely to trade as we do not seem to be that commited to him. There are number of teams that he would be a great fit for especially Bombers and Kangaroos.
I think we will end up delisting these players:
Damien Adkins
Josh Wooden
Andrew Banfeld will retire.
brett jones aint going anywhere as soon as banners hangs his boots he'll be slot straight in.
JuddyisGod
15 Aug 2006, 22:05
Andrew Banfeld will retire.
I hope Andrew Banfield retires because he hasn't even got a game yet :p
peterss
15 Aug 2006, 22:11
Fletcher is trade bait ;)
Just wanted to see what are your thoughts about which players do we trade that may have value and which ones do we delist?
Players that have trade value:
Michael Gardiner - I am willing to bet that someone will give us at least a first round draft pick even though eveyone is saying that they do not want him.
Andrew McDougall - not sure that we are ready to trade him yet but he probably would have value.
Matther Rosa - I think that he is surplus to our needs and having played in our midfield and got a Rising Star Nomination I think that he may have value.
Rowan Jones - may have some value.
Brett Jones - I think he may be the player that we are likely to trade as we do not seem to be that commited to him. There are number of teams that he would be a great fit for especially Bombers and Kangaroos.
I think we will end up delisting these players:
Damien Adkins
Josh Wooden
Andrew Banfeld will retire.
Not going to get a first round for him but i would be suprised to see him go to the PSD as i think some teams need a ruckman bad enough to forget his mis-demeaners.
no1bankteller
15 Aug 2006, 22:38
Not going to get a first round for him but i would be suprised to see him go to the PSD as i think some teams need a ruckman bad enough to forget his mis-demeaners.
My gut feel is that we will.
Looking back at the big men and their trade value it seems to me that teams are willing to pay over the odds and there is always one or two teams that are willing to overlook past mistakes.
Looking at the current state of ruck stocks I dare say that at least St Kilda, Hawthorn (especially if Spider leaves), Collingwood and Essendon may try going after him and the greater the competition the more likely are our chances to get a better pick.
Jeremias
15 Aug 2006, 22:51
Very surprised to see Rosa in here. What would you want from Carlton for him?
Very surprised to see Rosa in here. What would you want from Carlton for him?
Fevola ;)
94_Eagles
15 Aug 2006, 23:06
Very surprised to see Rosa in here. What would you want from Carlton for him?
Fisher or Kennedy.
no1bankteller
15 Aug 2006, 23:14
Very surprised to see Rosa in here. What would you want from Carlton for him?
Seriously though I would think your compensation pick (say17th pick) would be fair in my opinion.
bunsen burner
15 Aug 2006, 23:31
brett jones aint going anywhere as soon as banners hangs his boots he'll be slot straight in.To the emergency bench or WAFL?
Jimmy_the_Gent
16 Aug 2006, 00:09
Seriously though I would think your compensation pick (say17th pick) would be fair in my opinion.
Why? Is the player we'd get with pick 17 going to be that much better than Rosa? I know its the super draft and all but getting rid of a tried young player to get another young player who could be as good, worse or better than Rosa is a little pointless. Also it sets a bad precedent. The Eagles won’t trade players that dont want to go.
Another thing is Rosa isn't surplus to our needs. At the moment he can't get a regular game but in a few years he will. People tend to forget that there is a future beyond the next year and that's why we need Rosa.
I can't believe how ****en fickle people are here, FFS, at the beginning of the year Rosa supposedly would've been in the top 10 B&F at every club and now he's surplus. Kill yourselves. (I know you didn't say the top 10 thing bankteller)
To the emergency bench or WAFL?
bench
Total Power
16 Aug 2006, 04:45
Why do you people only want to trade duds? how about Butler.Whats his trade value gonna be, any idea?
Jeremias
16 Aug 2006, 09:56
Fisher or Kennedy.
No way Kennedy. Don't even think about it.
Fisher is an interesting one. Will be a good player, but do we really need him? I would definitely consider this trade. Rosa is what we need. Would you be content with a straight swap? I have a feeling Carlton would ask for a lowish pick as well...
Jeremias
16 Aug 2006, 09:57
Seriously though I would think your compensation pick (say17th pick) would be fair in my opinion.
Two things:
1. Don't know if we are allowed to trade this priority pick. Any confirmation?
2. In this draft especially, the number 17 pick is too good a pick to give up for Rosa IMO.
Gunnar Longshanks
16 Aug 2006, 10:24
Michael Gardiner - I am willing to bet that someone will give us at least a first round draft pick even though eveyone is saying that they do not want him.Absolutely dreaming.
How many games has he played in the last 3 seasons? 15?
A first-round draft pick is not in the realm of possibility.
You're deluded if you think otherwise.
Gunnar Longshanks
16 Aug 2006, 10:28
My gut feel is that we will.
Looking back at the big men and their trade value it seems to me that teams are willing to pay over the odds and there is always one or two teams that are willing to overlook past mistakes.If your gut feel is that we'll get a 1st-round pick for Gardiner, then I'd suggest you avoid following your instincts.
That's completely bogus. There's no other way of saying it.
I wonder how well you understand the psychology of teams during trade week.
Delusional.
Matther Rosa - I think that he is surplus to our needs and having played in our midfield and got a Rising Star Nomination I think that he may have value.
To even consider Rosa as surplus to our needs shows that you dont have much idea at all! He is one of the young brigade that is the future of the club.
Warrack Eagles
16 Aug 2006, 11:12
Spot on Ted. Rosa is in a good side with a star Midfield how you expect a player to get a game every week in a team that has no spots on the ground for him??
no1bankteller
16 Aug 2006, 13:22
Delusional.
Thank you for that nice to see that you do not get personal.
Having said that my resoning is that if you have a look at number of key position players (that were not even close in talent) that have been traded for far greater yield then just one first round pick.
The players I am referring to are Jonathon Hay and Jay Rawlings but one could also throw Brad Ottens into that list as well. Now I know that Michael Gardiner has baggage but I am willing to state loud and clear that people will forget about that baggage come trading time and will make a rediculous offer. As past history tells us people will do rediculous things and make rediculous offers to get a big man.
no1bankteller
16 Aug 2006, 13:31
To even consider Rosa as surplus to our needs shows that you dont have much idea at all! He is one of the young brigade that is the future of the club.
No doubt that Rosa is a very good young player, but we also have Morton, Priddis, La Crass and Butler and that is just the less experianced players.
Bottom line is we could do a lot worse then trade Rosa for a highish pick that would give us a decent chance at acquiring a quality full back that we can develop over the next few years.
In my view his value is very high at the moment but I do not think he will be any better then say Callum Chambers, ie a good outside midfielder with decent skill that can run all day but cannot get his own ball and is not very good at absorbing contact or laying tackles.
Big Cox
16 Aug 2006, 13:42
To even consider Rosa as surplus to our needs shows that you dont have much idea at all! He is one of the young brigade that is the future of the club.
If you want to catch the dhufish you cant use dog **** as bait
Id trade Rosa if something extremely inviting came around. I think theres ALOT of Melb teams that could use him.
Rosa for Scott Lucas is my go.
patsmith
16 Aug 2006, 13:55
Delist Wooden? Hell no!
mick ryan
16 Aug 2006, 18:25
No doubt that Rosa is a very good young player, but we also have Morton, Priddis, La Crass and Butler and that is just the less experianced players.
Bottom line is we could do a lot worse then trade Rosa for a highish pick that would give us a decent chance at acquiring a quality full back that we can develop over the next few years.
In my view his value is very high at the moment but I do not think he will be any better then say Callum Chambers, ie a good outside midfielder with decent skill that can run all day but cannot get his own ball and is not very good at absorbing contact or laying tackles.
Rosa is a better player now than Callum Chambers ever was or will be, he is not an outside midfielder and is very adept at winning the hard ball and putting his body on the line. I can guarantee you that he will not even be considered as a trade option at this stage and furthermore, he will be a regular next year.
Rosa is a better player now than Callum Chambers ever was or will be, he is not an outside midfielder and is very adept at winning the hard ball and putting his body on the line. I can guarantee you that he will not even be considered as a trade option at this stage and furthermore, he will be a regular next year.
Would you take Dew for Rosa?
Re: Gardiner
The only way we will get a decent exchange for him is if two or three teams are interested and get involved in a mini-bidding war. In that situation we could get near a first round pick for him.
However, it just doesn't look like enough teams are interested at this stage.
mick ryan
16 Aug 2006, 19:42
Would you take Dew for Rosa?
No, whilst Dew is and has been a very good player for Port he is 28 next year and as such wouldn't be great value in relation to the WCE future.
Bestbird
16 Aug 2006, 20:36
The players I am referring to are Jonathon Hay and Jay Rawlings but one could also throw Brad Ottens into that list as well. Now I know that Michael Gardiner has baggage but I am willing to state loud and clear that people will forget about that baggage come trading time and will make a rediculous offer. As past history tells us people will do rediculous things and make rediculous offers to get a big man.
The problem is all of the above players were paid over the odds regarding draft picks by there respective clubs and they got burnt, only Thompson has worked out in a clubs favour in recent times and even then it was at a cost to the Roo's. (10 & 26 draft picks).
Jimmy_the_Gent
16 Aug 2006, 21:29
Why do you people only want to trade duds? how about Butler.Whats his trade value gonna be, any idea?
We dont have any needs we have to address so there's no point trading players unless they want to go. As far as I can see keeping this list as intact as possible would be the way to go.
If Butler were to get traded it would cost a first round pick.
anyone who is saying rosa needs to be traded needs to be slapped.
he is better then morton.
he is much better than la cras.
the guy can play.
gardiner.
ro jo.
fletcher.
them fellas are trade bait.
amen.
regarding trade bait this is out of left field for an eagle but how about juddy. I know what people will say but he is going to go anyway i reckon so lets get some great picks and players while his stocks are high. really high
regarding trade bait this is out of left field for an eagle but how about juddy. I know what people will say but he is going to go anyway i reckon so lets get some great picks and players while his stocks are high. really high
No way J_mac.
Chris is far to good to just trade away and Im sure he will be here to the very end. (Or close enough anyway)
crowsarethebest
16 Aug 2006, 23:43
regarding trade bait this is out of left field for an eagle but how about juddy. I know what people will say but he is going to go anyway i reckon so lets get some great picks and players while his stocks are high. really high
If you guys trade Judd you are trading possibly and potentially the best player to have played the game. He'd cost a fortune though, I'd say he'd cost two top 10 picks and a very good player eg. Johncock from the crows. I doubt teams will be willing to let go of 3 players for 1 even if he is so good. I'd rather 3 pretty good palyers than 1 absolute superstar.
regarding trade bait this is out of left field for an eagle but how about juddy. I know what people will say but he is going to go anyway i reckon so lets get some great picks and players while his stocks are high. really high
Interesting thought.......Maybe and I say maybe, if we win the GF this year. Only let Judd go if we could get 2 top 5 picks for him.....Gibbs and Gumbleton for Judd after winning the flag, gee you'd seriously think about that wouldn't you?
yeah i was thinking more along yhe lines of pavlich and pick 1 and 2. Hell judd is worth pav and 5 of the top 10 picks.
Boy from the West
17 Aug 2006, 00:09
regarding trade bait this is out of left field for an eagle but how about juddy. I know what people will say but he is going to go anyway i reckon so lets get some great picks and players while his stocks are high. really high
Please seek medical help and get back on your medication ASAP
Please seek medical help and get back on your medication ASAP any player is tradeable no matter how good they are.
Cheeseball
17 Aug 2006, 01:41
yes that is true
however pavlich + the picks you mentioned is ree-diculous. pavlich is also an absolute superstar
ekzistenz
17 Aug 2006, 02:00
The only player I'd trade Judd for is an injury free Brown. Straight up.
Black JuJu
17 Aug 2006, 02:17
Thank you for that nice to see that you do not get personal.
Nah he's right aye, you're either utterly delusional or suffered some kind of mild stroke without realising it and need medical help.
Either way, see a Doctor. :thumbsu:
On Rosa, he won't be traded, Cousins, Braun and Fletcher aren't getting any younger, you hold onto good young mids (is he even 20 yet?) when a chunk of your current crop is 27-28 years old..
Gunnar Longshanks
17 Aug 2006, 10:26
Thank you for that nice to see that you do not get personal.
Having said that my resoning is that if you have a look at number of key position players (that were not even close in talent) that have been traded for far greater yield then just one first round pick.
The players I am referring to are Jonathon Hay and Jay Rawlings but one could also throw Brad Ottens into that list as well. Now I know that Michael Gardiner has baggage but I am willing to state loud and clear that people will forget about that baggage come trading time and will make a rediculous offer. As past history tells us people will do rediculous things and make rediculous offers to get a big man.How compelling!
Set the baggage aside. How many games has Michael Gardiner played in the last 3 years?
Even if you take his off-field issues out of the equation, the quality and consistency of his recent football has been nowhere good enough to draw that kind of a trade.
You can waffle on about precedents all you want. If you reckon we'll get a 1st-round pick for Gardiner, you're absolutely kidding yourself.
Mr Eagle
17 Aug 2006, 10:37
any player is tradeable no matter how good they are.
Actively-involved captains and vice-captains are not tradeable, IMO. It reflects very poorly on a club and on the player if leaders get shuffled off (e.g. Leigh Colbert leaving the Cats).
Stereophonic
17 Aug 2006, 10:49
Very surprised to see Rosa in here. What would you want from Carlton for him?
Kouta?
jess-jess
17 Aug 2006, 11:56
Don't think there's any worry about Rosa being traded.
He's the only one of our 2004 draftees to have been given a contract extension so far.
If the club were possibly thinking of him as 'trade bait' wouldn't they have waited till the end of the year to offer a contract (or not to) like they are with Morton and Le Cras?
sydney eagle
17 Aug 2006, 13:44
I am still of the opinion that the only way to get any value for Gardiner in a trade is to package him with our first round pick and try to get an upgrade in the first round. Assuming that we are currently looking at pick 15 it is possible that such a move might get us a pick at around 10.
BigUnitforAA
17 Aug 2006, 14:21
gardiner
fletcher
mcdougall
rowan jones
get rid of em -trade for draft picks
Eagles!!!
17 Aug 2006, 17:11
Lets be real...........judd for the time being is not going anywhere. We are one of the strongest club, if no the stongest, we can afford to pay him close to a million dollar(including sponsorship etc) per year. And also, say for example he was to go to essendon or magpies(coz they are the ones that are financially stable clubs in Vic - even though he luvd melb when he was young), they would pay him the same or maybe a 20-50K more. Would this be enough bait for him to go - NO. He would stay with wce, for the time being atleast, and get almost the same amt of $ and win a few priemerships & hence be known as 3times brown low medallist, 5 times normsmith medallist & 5times preiemership player.
The only other player that have some trade value is Fletcher(he is not going nowhere - Woosha luvs him), RoJo(he has sucked Woosha's Co*K - so hes not going nowhere too. Gard +our 2nd draft pick for a possibly a 1st rounder/early 2nd round draft pick. Doogs+Wooden will be traded for sure.Banners + Fiddo to be delisted(of course Banners will retire) - NO CHANCE OF TRADING ROSA/BRETT JONES at all. Think about it - chick will play at the max 2 more years, B.Jones will replace him straight away, if not earlier.
The last option maybe to see any non WA kids interested in going home-(WCE will not send them home forcibly)
Chad Fletcher has been named in the Western Australian as possible trade bait for the young ruckmen whose names escapes me at the moment.
Thoughts on this?
Chad Fletcher has been named in the Western Australian as possible trade bait for the young ruckmen whose names escapes me at the moment.
Thoughts on this?
not good i know fletchers kicking is not as superb as the others but hes a menace to other opposition teams. the player they're thinking of grabbing is leunberger or something like that.
not good i know fletchers kicking is not as superb as the others but hes a menace to other opposition teams. the player they're thinking of grabbing is leunberger or something like that.
How?
If his kicking isnt up to AFL standard (which it isnt) how can he be a menace?
He turns it over 7/10 times when given a half n hour with the ball and just doesnt do enough to warrant a spot in our future side.
A trade might be the best thing for our club but I doubt WCE will trade him IMO.
Thanks for the name too. :thumbsu:
in other news gardiner wants to be a hawk. if only if only buddy didnt resign this year. we could have given gardiner a draft pick for frankilin.
in other news gardiner wants to be a hawk. if only if only buddy didnt resign this year. we could have given gardiner a draft pick for frankilin.
Really?
I would of thought he was going to St.Kilda for some reason.
Ah well whoever ends up with him GOOD LUCK.