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matera30
17 Aug 2006, 13:37
with essendon, collingwood and carlton not winning a flag between them since 2000, 1995 or 1990
how sad is it that the three clubs in the subject have not been able to put forth and win a flag
the interstate dominance is even more pertinent when you look at it like this.
the dees, saints and cats windows are all almost shut too.
dees - terrible defence, neitz on last legs and a plethora of downhill skiers[ read johnstone, yze, white]. bit sad when mclean is the one and only player who could be counted on to contribute each week.
saints - ruck is the worst in memory, defence very poor [fishers excluded], gehrig retriring, harvey retiring, hamill retiring [surely the worst trade in history - a key forward who doesnt kick goals on 500k+].
cats - average at best, a good "team" with no pace, no stars and no forwards. of the three at least they have time on their side and tom hawkins
very sad that none of the above with all their draft picks, trades and chest beating have not even come close to winning a flag.
Eagles supporters must be so proud of this fella.
with essendon, collingwood and carlton not winning a flag between them since 2000, 1995 or 1990
how sad is it that the three clubs in the subject have not been able to put forth and win a flag
the interstate dominance is even more pertinent when you look at it like this.
the dees, saints and cats windows are all almost shut too.
dees - terrible defence, neitz on last legs and a plethora of downhill skiers[ read johnstone, yze, white]. bit sad when mclean is the one and only player who could be counted on to contribute each week.
saints - ruck is the worst in memory, defence very poor [fishers excluded], gehrig retriring, harvey retiring, hamill retiring [surely the worst trade in history - a key forward who doesnt kick goals on 500k+].
cats - average at best, a good "team" with no pace, no stars and no forwards. of the three at least they have time on their side and tom hawkins
very sad that none of the above with all their draft picks, trades and chest beating have not even come close to winning a flag.the saints would be spewing they didn't use pick 4 to get like livingston
SurreyBlue
17 Aug 2006, 13:42
Don't worry Matera, at least one of the two clubs that is capable of challanging the interstate dominance won't be down for much longer and you will have something to fear again.
lol
Luckily with the youth of today Australia is in good hands.
Well pointed out matera30 they are quite obviously the only teams with any flaws.
Rough_Edges
17 Aug 2006, 13:45
:D :D
What a joke this guy is.
Defence very poor?
We have been in the bottom 3 teams of points against in the last 2 years..and we are atm too.
GRANGE_GSM
17 Aug 2006, 13:51
is this guy serious?....melbourne and saints have the best kids on their list......st kildas core group is 22-23 y.o and i hardly think its shut!!!! yet the dees have mclean,sylvia,bartram,dunn,bate,jones all in thier 1st 3 years of footy and showing excellence signs.......and as for us well????we were touted as the best young group coming through but im not sure how true that is.ou ladder position speeks for itself!
with essendon, collingwood and carlton not winning a flag between them since 2000, 1995 or 1990
how sad is it that the three clubs in the subject have not been able to put forth and win a flag
the interstate dominance is even more pertinent when you look at it like this.
the dees, saints and cats windows are all almost shut too.
dees - terrible defence, neitz on last legs and a plethora of downhill skiers[ read johnstone, yze, white]. bit sad when mclean is the one and only player who could be counted on to contribute each week.
saints - ruck is the worst in memory, defence very poor [fishers excluded], gehrig retriring, harvey retiring, hamill retiring [surely the worst trade in history - a key forward who doesnt kick goals on 500k+].
cats - average at best, a good "team" with no pace, no stars and no forwards. of the three at least they have time on their side and tom hawkins
very sad that none of the above with all their draft picks, trades and chest beating have not even come close to winning a flag.
jeez i think your overdoing it. saints could still be around if their old lot dont retire melbourne still has youth in their defence (miller, carroll, ferguson even though they arent that young. and melbourne have found a bunch of youngsters like dunn, bate and mclean sylvia rivers n jones which will be damaging in the next year or so. so it isnt all doom and gloom. as for the cats i seriously dont know what happened to them. saints defence is quite strong too they have voss, gram, macguire and their forward line will still produce with riewoldt and kosi and maybe gehrig if his hunger has returned.
to cut it short. never underestimate a team who thought last year adelaide was going to win the minor premiership or wce to reach top 4 or sydney to win the flag. anything can happen.
Jimthegreat
17 Aug 2006, 13:55
with essendon, collingwood and carlton not winning a flag between them since 2000, 1995 or 1990
how sad is it that the three clubs in the subject have not been able to put forth and win a flag
the interstate dominance is even more pertinent when you look at it like this.
the dees, saints and cats windows are all almost shut too.
dees - terrible defence, neitz on last legs and a plethora of downhill skiers[ read johnstone, yze, white]. bit sad when mclean is the one and only player who could be counted on to contribute each week.
saints - ruck is the worst in memory, defence very poor [fishers excluded], gehrig retriring, harvey retiring, hamill retiring [surely the worst trade in history - a key forward who doesnt kick goals on 500k+].
cats - average at best, a good "team" with no pace, no stars and no forwards. of the three at least they have time on their side and tom hawkins
very sad that none of the above with all their draft picks, trades and chest beating have not even come close to winning a flag.With all the interstate dominance lately, barring Freo, every interstate club has won a flag in the last 10 years..........except the West Coast Eagles!! It's been 1994 hasn't it?!!!!!!! Must be a message in there somewhere!
Barry Zuckercorn QC
17 Aug 2006, 14:08
Not even close?!?! Surely you jest! Have you forgotten that we made the grand final in 1997 and were cruely robbed of another grand final appearance (and premiership) last year? But more importantly you seem to forget that 2006 IS our year and we're marching along beautifully, coming good at the right time of year!
And dont for a second think that the big teams won their premierships legitimately! Salary-cap cheating, corporate fat-cats the lot of em! Now they rightfully suffer at the foot of the ladder as the Victorian clubs of TRUE spirit and grit slowly rise up! Underdogs no more, Overlords for ever more ;)
PS: Worst rucks???? J. Blake, Acland :rolleyes:
With all the interstate dominance lately, barring Freo, every interstate club has won a flag in the last 10 years..........except the West Coast Eagles!! It's been 1994 hasn't it?!!!!!!! Must be a message in there somewhere!
I was just about to mention that. :thumbsu:
Unleaded34
17 Aug 2006, 14:13
WC would bend over backwards to get any of the forwards at these 3 clubs.
With all the interstate dominance lately, barring Freo, every interstate club has won a flag in the last 10 years..........except the West Coast Eagles!! It's been 1994 hasn't it?!!!!!!! Must be a message in there somewhere!
Was about to mention that myself. He obviously believes west coast are part of the elite dominant interstate teams.
rick James
17 Aug 2006, 14:23
dees - terrible defence, neitz on last legs and a plethora of downhill skiers[ read johnstone, yze, white]. bit sad when mclean is the one and only player who could be counted on to contribute each week.
Mate this analogy is about 3 years old.
Defence is one of the best in the league now. Johnstoen and White are anything but downhill skiers, Yze - fair call. McLean the only regular contributor??
Never heard of Rivers, Carrol, Whelan, McDonald, Davey, Bruce before then I take it?
dan warna
17 Aug 2006, 14:27
our offense is average but our defence is second best in the league atm on current form.
meguire is a big loss, but still...
I dont think we can win a flag unless the others fall over, but we are certainly playing good enough to be a solid finals contributor.
Little Dozer
17 Aug 2006, 14:33
the dees, saints and cats windows are all almost shut too.
saints - ruck is the worst in memory, defence very poor [fishers excluded], gehrig retriring, harvey retiring, hamill retiring [surely the worst trade in history - a key forward who doesnt kick goals on 500k+].
very sad that none of the above with all their draft picks, trades and chest beating have not even come close to winning a flag.
This post is obviously a windup. For starters St.Kilda are right up there with the best defence in the league for the past 3 seasons and at the moment are 3rd just behind Sydney and Adelaide.
As for the window closing, that is just rubbish. Consider the following Riewoldt, Kosi, Dal Santo, Ball, Goddard, Gram, Montagna, Sam Fisher, Maguire, Leigh Fisher and the Clarke brothers who are all in the low 20's along with established senior footballers such as Voss, Baker, Gehrig, Hamill, Hayes, Hudghton and Milne. Harvey, Peckett, Thompson and Powell are all veterans but have played their part so far in 2006.
The ruck is an issue, but now Kosi is back that should improve. Harvey and Gehrig will be playing on in 2007 and quite rightly so as their form is very good.
Hamill was never bought to the club to just kick goals. His pressure, chasing, tackling and leadership are why he was secured on a long term contract. Sure it is frustrating he is out injured but he will be back. Maybe we should have picked up Jade Rawlings or Jonathan Hay instead?
Plod plod you go Matera30
LongBomb
17 Aug 2006, 14:33
How is Geelong's 'window' nearly shut when they consistently field one of the youngest sides in the comp?
They do not have a single player over the age of 29 FFS.
The Fireman
17 Aug 2006, 14:40
How is Geelong's 'window' nearly shut when they consistently field one of the youngest sides in the comp?
They do not have a single player over the age of 29 FFS.
Why bother, just another interstater with a chip on the shoulder, I find them mildly amusing but you have to wonder was it worth going national and having to put up with some of these air heads?:(
Adelaide Hawk
17 Aug 2006, 14:46
What I find laughable is teams like West Coast and Adelaide finally rise from the depths of mediocrity and spend a couple of seasons at the top of the ladder, and everyone carries on as if those clubs have dominated for decades.
Aussie Joe
17 Aug 2006, 14:46
Why bother, just another interstater with a chip on the shoulder, I find them mildly amusing but you have to wonder was it worth going national and having to put up with some of these air heads?:(
You are so right Fireman. If the VFL had not gone national, the Saints could of had their second premiership by now. LMAO. One premiership since the VFL/AFL commenced. What an embarrassment !!!
Little Dozer
17 Aug 2006, 14:55
You are so right Fireman. If the VFL had not gone national, the Saints could of had their second premiership by now. LMAO. One premiership since the VFL/AFL commenced. What an embarrassment !!!
Lets just worry about whats happening this decade Aussie Joe. Your football club is an absolute rabble. You have no money, a crap coach, crap players and crap fans who can't handle a little pain. Plod Plod you go son!
120068 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=8&yrfm=2006)St Kilda18.18 (126)vsCarlton4.10 (34)MCGWON922200515 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=15&yrfm=2005)St Kilda23.15 (153)vsCarlton11.7 (73)TDWON803200410 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=10&yrfm=2004)St Kilda31.10 (196)vsCarlton13.10 (88)TDWON1084200320 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=20&yrfm=2003)St Kilda26.10 (166)vsCarlton11.9 (75)OOWON91520037 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=7&yrfm=2003)St Kilda16.17 (113)vsCarlton15.11 (101)TDWON126200216 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=16&yrfm=2002)St Kilda22.8 (140)vsCarlton14.13 (97)TDWON43720021 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=1&yrfm=2002)St Kilda14.5 (89)vsCarlton10.5 (65)TDWON24
Rd 8 - Sunday, 21st May 2006
St Kilda 7.7 9.13 14.15 18.18 (126)
Carlton 1.2 1.5 2.6 4.10 (34)
GOALS - Carlton: Fevola 4
St Kilda: Riewoldt 9, Gehrig 3, Milne 2, Baker 2, Voss, Peckett
BEST - Carlton: Scotland, Whitnall, Wiggins, Lappin, Simpson, Thornton
St Kilda: Riewoldt, Baker, Hayes, Gram, Dal Santo, Montagna
Crowd: 39,908 at the Melbourne Cricket Ground
LooooooooL :D
The Fireman
17 Aug 2006, 15:00
You are so right Fireman. If the VFL had not gone national, the Saints could of had their second premiership by now. LMAO. One premiership since the VFL/AFL commenced. What an embarrassment !!!
yep it's tough without cheating.:o
and you talk of embarrasment, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Bring-Back-Powell
17 Aug 2006, 15:02
Gee I hope the Toast lose another grand final this year
swanniez1983
17 Aug 2006, 15:08
Not even close?!?! Surely you jest! Have you forgotten that we made the grand final in 1997 and were cruely robbed of another grand final appearance (and premiership) last year? But more importantly you seem to forget that 2006 IS our year and we're marching along beautifully, coming good at the right time of year!
PS: Worst rucks???? J. Blake, Acland :rolleyes:
Pull the over one ;)
Wonder Years
17 Aug 2006, 17:25
with essendon, collingwood and carlton not winning a flag between them since 2000, 1995 or 1990
how sad is it that the three clubs in the subject have not been able to put forth and win a flag
the interstate dominance is even more pertinent when you look at it like this.
the dees, saints and cats windows are all almost shut too.
dees - terrible defence, neitz on last legs and a plethora of downhill skiers[ read johnstone, yze, white]. bit sad when mclean is the one and only player who could be counted on to contribute each week.
saints - ruck is the worst in memory, defence very poor [fishers excluded], gehrig retriring, harvey retiring, hamill retiring [surely the worst trade in history - a key forward who doesnt kick goals on 500k+].
cats - average at best, a good "team" with no pace, no stars and no forwards. of the three at least they have time on their side and tom hawkins
very sad that none of the above with all their draft picks, trades and chest beating have not even come close to winning a flag.
Sorry we haven't had a pick above 7 since 2000 it is no excuse but don't say we have had draft picks. Compared to your mcdougalls, judds, sampis???? Hardly say Chapman, Scarlett and Ablett aren't stars either.
brett_go_cats
17 Aug 2006, 17:44
Sorry we haven't had a pick above 7 since 2000 it is no excuse but don't say we have had draft picks. Compared to your mcdougalls, judds, sampis???? Hardly say Chapman, Scarlett and Ablett aren't stars either.
exactly
Sorry we haven't had a pick above 7 since 2000 it is no excuse but don't say we have had draft picks. Compared to your mcdougalls, judds, sampis???? Hardly say Chapman, Scarlett and Ablett aren't stars either.
Two of those stars were father sons though.
No forwards wonder years?
Chapmen, Ablett, Mooney not up to AFL standard??? Guess we will wait for Hawkins.
Wet toast will feel the wrath of the Geelong forward line next year. Just you wait and see
The Great Gabsby
17 Aug 2006, 18:07
Surely this troll deserves to be in bay 13
goDees22
17 Aug 2006, 18:09
dees - terrible defence, neitz on last legs and a plethora of downhill skiers[ read johnstone, yze, white]. bit sad when mclean is the one and only player who could be counted on to contribute each week.
.
2004 board.
Corrosion
17 Aug 2006, 18:15
Lets just worry about whats happening this decade Aussie Joe. Your football club is an absolute rabble. You have no money, a crap coach, crap players and crap fans who can't handle a little pain. Plod Plod you go son!
120068 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=8&yrfm=2006)St Kilda18.18 (126)vsCarlton4.10 (34)MCGWON922200515 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=15&yrfm=2005)St Kilda23.15 (153)vsCarlton11.7 (73)TDWON803200410 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=10&yrfm=2004)St Kilda31.10 (196)vsCarlton13.10 (88)TDWON1084200320 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=20&yrfm=2003)St Kilda26.10 (166)vsCarlton11.9 (75)OOWON91520037 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=7&yrfm=2003)St Kilda16.17 (113)vsCarlton15.11 (101)TDWON126200216 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=16&yrfm=2002)St Kilda22.8 (140)vsCarlton14.13 (97)TDWON43720021 (http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/rdscores.php?rdfm=1&yrfm=2002)St Kilda14.5 (89)vsCarlton10.5 (65)TDWON24
Rd 8 - Sunday, 21st May 2006
St Kilda 7.7 9.13 14.15 18.18 (126)
Carlton 1.2 1.5 2.6 4.10 (34)
GOALS - Carlton: Fevola 4
St Kilda: Riewoldt 9, Gehrig 3, Milne 2, Baker 2, Voss, Peckett
BEST - Carlton: Scotland, Whitnall, Wiggins, Lappin, Simpson, Thornton
St Kilda: Riewoldt, Baker, Hayes, Gram, Dal Santo, Montagna
Crowd: 39,908 at the Melbourne Cricket Ground
LooooooooL :D
Carlton Vs St.Kilda - Played 200 - Carlton 156 - St.Kilda 42 - Drawn 2
Brag about your club when you win the flag mate
next year wen big tom hawkins is at full forward we'll see who will be scared go cats!
Barry Zuckercorn QC
18 Aug 2006, 00:34
Carlton Vs St.Kilda - Played 200 - Carlton 156 - St.Kilda 42 - Drawn 2
Ok, but consider this: Of Carlton's 156 victories:
1) Take away 54 of which Carlton was clearly in breach of the salary cap;
2) Take away 49 in which Carlton players were in abuse of performance enhancing drugs;
3) Take away 33 in which St.Kilda players were forced (at gunpoint) to "play dead";
4) Take away 19 in which St.Kilda players were severely undermanned due to injuries, hangovers etc; and
5) In relation to the 2 draws, both involved crooked Carlton time-keepers and paid-off umpires and as such would have and should have been outright Saints victories in the vicinity of 8 goals plus.
So there you have it. A more realistic head to head count should read:
Carlton v St Kilda - Played 200 - Carlton 1 - St Kilda 199 - Draws 0
Neutral_observer
18 Aug 2006, 01:51
dees - terrible defence, neitz on last legs and a plethora of downhill skiers[ read johnstone, yze, white]. bit sad when mclean is the one and only player who could be counted on to contribute each week.
.
have a look at youir own side
Demons defence > Eagles defense
Downhwill skiers, let me see. Stenglein, Braun, Fletcher, Staker, Embley.....
The Demons midfield is as good as the Eagles, and will be better starting next year
weagles_fan
18 Aug 2006, 01:55
have a look at youir own side
Demons defence > Eagles defense
Downhwill skiers, let me see. Stenglein, Braun, Fletcher, Staker, Embley.....
The Demons midfield is as good as the Eagles, and will be better starting next year
Glass > Carroll
Hunter = Rivers
Graham > Which dud is the 3rd tall for Melb?Holland?
Wirrpanda > Whelan
Nicoski > who?
Waters > who?
Cousins,Kerr and Judd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any Demons midfielder.
Neutral_observer
18 Aug 2006, 02:10
Glass > Carroll
Hunter = Rivers
Graham > Which dud is the 3rd tall for Melb?Holland?
Wirrpanda > Whelan
Nicoski > who?
Waters > who?
Cousins,Kerr and Judd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any Demons midfielder.
Nice bias
Particularly had a good laugh at the Glass > Carroll dribble
And id have Whelan ahead of Wirrafatguts any day of the week
ps. Its Nathan carroll by the way, not Trent. maybe you got mixed up
goDees22
18 Aug 2006, 18:01
Glass > Carroll
Hunter = Rivers
Graham > Which dud is the 3rd tall for Melb?Holland?
Wirrpanda > Whelan
Nicoski > who?
Waters > who?
Cousins,Kerr and Judd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any Demons midfielder.
dont want to talk about forward lines? i wonder why:rolleyes:
Wonder Years
22 Aug 2006, 11:44
Two of those stars were father sons though.
No forwards wonder years?
Chapmen, Ablett, Mooney not up to AFL standard??? Guess we will wait for Hawkins.
Wet toast will feel the wrath of the Geelong forward line next year. Just you wait and see
Think you got the wrong end of the stick mate. I never said we don't have any forwards just not an out and out gun key position forward. I said Chapman, Ablett and Scarlett were stars. I was pointing out to idiodic supporters from other clubs that we haven't had a pick above 7 which most other clubs have helping them rise to the top because they are picking the cream of the crop year in year out.
Mate lets just watch the TOMAHAWK go!
with essendon, collingwood and carlton not winning a flag between them since 2000, 1995 or 1990
how sad is it that the three clubs in the subject have not been able to put forth and win a flag
the interstate dominance is even more pertinent when you look at it like this.
the dees, saints and cats windows are all almost shut too.
dees - terrible defence, neitz on last legs and a plethora of downhill skiers[ read johnstone, yze, white]. bit sad when mclean is the one and only player who could be counted on to contribute each week.
saints - ruck is the worst in memory, defence very poor [fishers excluded], gehrig retriring, harvey retiring, hamill retiring [surely the worst trade in history - a key forward who doesnt kick goals on 500k+].
cats - average at best, a good "team" with no pace, no stars and no forwards. of the three at least they have time on their side and tom hawkins
very sad that none of the above with all their draft picks, trades and chest beating have not even come close to winning a flag.
StKilda would have to be the worst. Despite all the early draft picks they still can't manage to be grand final contenders.