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SpInNeR
20 Aug 2006, 12:48
Defend that Stkildadon!!!!!!!
.......absolute disgrace.
panthers
20 Aug 2006, 13:55
Jump off...go on go and support some other club spinner..
It was a very poor effort. As one of the ABC commentators said - they don't have a game plan.
SpInNeR
20 Aug 2006, 20:59
Jump off...go on go and support some other club spinner..
seriously man, i am having real trouble understanding your posts.
i understand that sometimes in the heat of the moment that typing can be tough but thats like the third post in a row so pls....take some time and read what you are writting.
thanks in advance
SpInNeR
20 Aug 2006, 21:02
on a serious note though...our game plan.
or lack of it....it is very clear to the keen supporter nearly every week win lose or draw but on subiacos wide spaces it just becomes more clearer to the naked eye.....it is quite embarrassing frankly
win lose or draw...what our team lacks is any type of momentum building which is the exact effect of not having a proper game plan.
Kildonan
20 Aug 2006, 21:24
It was disappointing that our players were unable to produce the gameplan.
It was disappointing that our coaching staff found no tactics that were successful in overcoming the Dockers.
Our performance was definitely hampered by the loss of Thompson and Blake.
Raph Clarke, Rix, Kosi, Peckett and Luke Ball were either ordinary or not up to it fitness wise.
We were short at least one midfielder, maybe two and the selection of too many talls was a real blunder by the selection committee, given the conditions.
Defining every loss as GT's fault is simplistic and belies a child-like approach to supporting your club. Calling all supporters who do not think the way you do, ignorant, is a similar offence.
Fehring
20 Aug 2006, 22:52
It's all going pear-shaped.....on big footy. Never mind friday night. I think everyone needs to take a big chill and get some sleep. There's far too much sledging on these boards and not enough intelligent conversation for my liking.
Tactics anyone?
Big Ted
20 Aug 2006, 22:58
It was disappointing that our coaching staff found no tactics that were successful in overcoming the Dockers.
That is what concersn me more than anything else.
When we are beaten (think of the last 3 losses, Freo, Adelaide and West Coast. We have been exploited in the middle of the ground. They got numbers back and then used their extra pace to push the ball back down our throats and sniff easy golas whilst we ourselves are trying to get back.
Its so frusterating. I hate watching us play like that. I hate watching us screw around with the ball, I hate the fact we always bomb the ball to G-Train and 'Roo whilst they have 2 and 3 defenders on them.
I keep waiting for a different game plan to come out when this happens. I am yet to see a sign of it. Round 24 is appraching very quickly.
panthers
20 Aug 2006, 23:03
Like I said spanner all you seem to do is whinge If your not happy email the club with your concerns or like i suggested front up on Monday morning and "vent your spleen"
Oh and StKildonan come on mate get "your gameplan together mate....obviously spanner blames you for Freo being far better than us on the night
SpInNeR
20 Aug 2006, 23:09
It was disappointing that our players were unable to produce the gameplan.
It was disappointing that our coaching staff found no tactics that were successful in overcoming the Dockers.
Our performance was definitely hampered by the loss of Thompson and Blake.
Raph Clarke, Rix, Kosi, Peckett and Luke Ball were either ordinary or not up to it fitness wise.
We were short at least one midfielder, maybe two and the selection of too many talls was a real blunder by the selection committee, given the conditions.
Defining every loss as GT's fault is simplistic and belies a child-like approach to supporting your club. Calling all supporters who do not think the way you do, ignorant, is a similar offence.
GEEEEE....who made the same mistake in R1 in selecting too many talls for the big perth ground????
who...who stkildadon...thats right....that big fat man in the box!!! (fiora wasnt picked to my memory)
It is disgusting that the same mistakes continue to be made....and the same fool continue to acept mediocrity!!!!!
Shame Shame Shame......
....seriously wake up to urself...
Edited to remove personal abuse
The saints played too wide in the game, you could see they weren't going to get anywhere by doing that. When the ball went through the middle they looked a different team, much more competitive than the score would suggest. I was sitting with a saints supporter he couldn't believe they kept going wide when it wasn't working and was very frustrated.
Fehring
21 Aug 2006, 11:08
One of the reasons we hadn't been towelled up that badly by the flood for a long while was that we had developed more avenues to goal up forward but the main one - Vossy - was required down back and the other - Kosi - looked like he had lead weights on. Another option on occasions has been Schwarze but he's been out for a while.
Of course, the other way we have improved is by having our midfield control the footy and move forward in an organised fashion but you just look really stupid if you come up against a side that is willing to smash you at every contest and work harder than you.
The other avenues to goal recently, by the way, have been Gram, Fiora, Goddard and Joey and they all got killed (although Gram was OK). Anyone noticed that when Joey plays badly we lose?
Anyone for having Milne play in the forward line again?
I thought Goddard was OK
Ball definately needs a rest for 2 weeks
We need leg speed, Mcqualter perhaps needs another go
Personaly..(now hear me out before you have a go.) i think Thommo did coach quite poorly. along with the fact that our confidence was shot to peices after 5 goals in a row (How often does Dal fumble the ball 3 times in a row, wet or dry?) but we had to many big men, and there should have been alot more talk about bringing it in through the corridor ( i can remember seeing Harvs in the 2nd quarter trying to get evryone to push in but they wouldnt) and to add to that week in week out we get smashed a CHF im not too sure if this is just a lack of number but im getting quite annoyed at it to tell you the truth.
P.S - I would kill to have lenny up and running
GO Sainters.
Cheetah
21 Aug 2006, 13:12
Your mob have had a rotten run with injuries, so it's hard to run a line through exactly where the Saints are at. There a much better side that what was shown on Saturday night, but it may be time to invest in a ruckman.
theGav56
21 Aug 2006, 14:58
One of the reasons we hadn't been towelled up that badly by the flood for a long while was
Fehring, I can't agree with the idea that flooding is what beat you. It was a very small feature of the game, and really only happened when you guys moved the ball forward at a snails pace. You were beaten in the centre, up forward and down back. Looked to me like the number of players you had returning from injury was a major factor, especially at a ground the size of Subi. CC exploited that, and we were the better side on the day. Would not be surprised to see that turn around in a final in Melbourne though.
yes too much asked of too few who were fit
i thought riewoldt fisher were excellent & kosi & ball gave everything their bodies would let them
SpInNeR
21 Aug 2006, 19:27
wheres your arguement for that one stkildadon????
have time to edit my post yet theres no post reply????
well well well i must have made a good point....
Kildonan
21 Aug 2006, 20:55
... or alternatively, I was short of time on my way to work. :eek:
Edit: Please see how I spell my name, "StKildonan"
bluejay
22 Aug 2006, 12:33
Defend that Stkildadon!!!!!!!
.......absolute disgrace.
It almost sounds as if you enjoyed seeing us getting destroyed so you could log in and say this sentence.
I'm done reading any of your posts anymore from now on.
Go Saints!
Scutter
22 Aug 2006, 18:12
Thomas has had long enough to show the goods.
Wallace came up with an unconventional game plan to beat the Crows earlier this year, Eade continues to conjure up something from nothing, and we bumble along without results - knowing full well that our best players are soon going be facing open cheque books from rival clubs. With GT at the helm who could blame them for going, at least they may get some leadership and direction at another club and have a realistic shot at a flag.
Bottom line is that Thomas has had his chance. Can anyone see him devising a game plan that can win us an important game against the odds?
Clangers like "we are looking forward to not playing home games in Tassie" the week before St K plays an important game there and today's "management speak" about Bangers just highlights his ineptitude.
Kildonan
22 Aug 2006, 22:04
Check out this site (http://afl.allthestats.com/coaches/coach.php?id=310) and see just what a great record these two coaches have against GT.
Scutter
23 Aug 2006, 15:32
That's the sort of logic that has got us to where we are today. It completely ignores the contextual factors which weigh more heavily than simple percentages.
The head-to-head stats between GT and TW/RE are skewed by the fact that Rich and Foots have been woeful over the last few years but are now starting to trend upwards because of recent draft picks and decent coaching approaches. GT had the luxury of playing them with the argubly the best list going around while they were just getting up off the canvass.
We have had our draft benefits but it appears that they have been squirted up the wall. Our window of opportunity has just about passed so why should we persist (read - risk ourt future) with an unproven coach. In fact, he is not even unproven any more - he's a confirmed dud.
No Latin here, but for St Kilda it's the old addage of "when you're in a hole stop digging"
so why should we persist (read - risk ourt future) with an unproven coach. In fact, he is not even unproven any more - he's a confirmed dud.
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Well Siad MY friend
SpInNeR
23 Aug 2006, 19:29
Imaging GT was the man at Brisbane during 2001-2004....
Surely that team would have been able to make the finals.....
But win three premierships in a row during a time when there are 16 teams in the competition...i think not.
Yet by just making the finals - GT's record would be great.
If this is what you want StKildonan then so be it...ur attitude has plagued the club from its existance.
You need to see the bigger picture...it has been for years now that no matter how good we became we could always became a hell of a lot better.
Facts Figures and Injuries dont matter anymore....No supporter deserves to feel that ill feeling that I and my father and any person who has a thorough knowledge of the game feels at every game.
We has no momentum...and never experience even an ounce of it during any game....this is what kills us....and what wins premierships.
Kildonan
23 Aug 2006, 23:29
SpinDr - you don't appear to have been a fan of St Kilda's for very long.
Sure there has, historically, been a problem with the mentality of our club for it to have been such a poor record.
Our history is littered with "couldabeen" stories and part of the problem has been that we just didn't know how to win.
My belief is different than yours in that I know that there is a huge benefit in having an experienced coach - one who has encountered all the problems - and I mean all the problems of coaching at the highest level, not just the match day problems that you seem to focus on. Were we to get a new coach we would be set back 5 years and start all over with the same mistakes.
Generally speaking, a club has to have been a contender for a number of years before success comes. I can cite you numerous examples, but to you they would be meaningless because your mind is closed. You simply expect to be the best without disappontment along the way.
To be a contender for a number of years without (the ultimate) success means that you experience disappointment along the way. It is often this disappointment that drives the later success. The club, the players, the coach, the fans - all of us are burned by being so close and yet just not making it. This disappointment may not be essential, but it seems to be a very common factor in successful teams finally achieving the ultimate success.
You call me ignorant, this is ignorant of you. I have been a fan of St Kilda since 1964. I have seen them rise and fall and fall further. At times there seemed that there was no hope. That our club would fold and all my emotional investment in the club was to amount to nothing.
I am an intelligent man, I hold 2 science degrees and I am employed as a scientist. I have been for 30 years. Don't insult my intelligence.
I have seen that the revolution that has occurred through the St Kilda football club has been in the most part due to Rod Butterss and Grant Thomas - this sort of revolution changed the culture of the club from perennial losers to what we are now - perennial contenders - with a real chance of success. Ultimate success.
Our history is littered with people being too impatient.
Our culture persists in you.
Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
We have come a long way in only five years.
The whole reason people like you expect a premiership is because Grant Thomas forced us to change. We now expect success. AND WE WILL HAVE SUCCESS.
Success can be measured in many different ways.
The easiest (simplest) form is to measure it by premierships won.
If we were to be having the same success in the eighties that we are now, it would be looked back on as one of our golden eras.
But this era isn't over yet, it has just begun.
We have sustained success now.
Success measured in being competitive and being a contender.
The ultimate success will come, but there may be further disappointments along the way. That's life. That's footy. Live with it.
Scutter
25 Aug 2006, 10:28
It's a bit rich to call any of us impatient!
Yes, Thomas appears to have done a good job in changing the culture that has haunted us in the past. However, it takes more than that to win the flag.
When the Swans started to get on top of us in the final last year GT had no counter punch, an that is not the only example of him being not quite up to AFL level in the tatics department. As we know, it's bloody hard to win a flag and we need a shrewd tatician to take us to the next level.
I admire your loyalty to him but it's time for the club to have a look in the house of mirrors. I can see us winning tonight and next week, and putting up a decent show in the finals but again not getting the cigar. When will enough be enough under Thomas?
Kildonan
25 Aug 2006, 20:04
Welcome Scutter to BigFooty.