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Whitnall to play his 200th this weekend!! 200 already!!
Boys do it for Lance.
Go Blues
Punter_22
22 Aug 2006, 15:32
God, I remember when he burst onto the scene all those years ago.
Making his debut alongside our former greats such as Kernahan and Williams.
Copped a lot of criticism, but has been a star to get to 200 already.
If they don't lift for Lance this week. The boys need swabbing.
stokesy
22 Aug 2006, 15:38
Well done Lance, you are an absolute star and I for one love you.
Hope you play a blinder this week and the boys get up and about and win.
Fire up boys, ****ing fire up.
well done big fella!
what better way to celebrate it with a win against the filth.
Corrosion
22 Aug 2006, 16:45
Come on boys. Do it for Whitnall.
Whitnall is a carlton legend. Will always be remebered for being great. Much maligned by opposition supporters and even carlton supporters.
Well done.
Congratulations to Lance on achieving such a milestone at such a young age. However, i'm not sure he can be called a Carlton great just yet, if ever. When you consider the players that have gone before him and calibre they played at for their entire careers, i'm just not sure Lance can be put in the same category as them.
trueblue_91
22 Aug 2006, 19:46
Congratualtions to big red. Absalute star and AA this year.
Good luck for the future
great career Lance. So many thought you were finished, but so many more knew you were just getting started.
deluxeman
22 Aug 2006, 21:32
Would not classify Whitnall as a Carlton legend. Legends are guys like SOS, Kerna, Bradley etc.
Whitnall throughout his ten year career so far has had a substantial number of years dealing with weight problems and really not being that usful for the majority of the time since his AA year till this year.
He has been a handy player but until this year has really failed to stand up when we needed him most.
mediumsizered
22 Aug 2006, 22:43
Would not classify Whitnall as a Carlton legend. Legends are guys like SOS, Kerna, Bradley etc.
Whitnall throughout his ten year career so far has had a substantial number of years dealing with weight problems and really not being that usful for the majority of the time since his AA year till this year.
He has been a handy player but until this year has really failed to stand up when we needed him most.
Was third in the B & F last year, spending the first half of the year up forward and then eventually having to fill the gap in defence in the second half of the year. 2003 & 2004 were his disappointing years, while 2002 he missed the pre-season due to Osteitis Pubis and played 14 games, kicking 27 goals, before Fev finished his season by crashing into his shoulder. In a ten year career, so far, he has produced 7 good to very good seasons, making him our most consistent player over that period.
Bluebear
22 Aug 2006, 23:02
Would not classify Whitnall as a Carlton legend. Legends are guys like SOS, Kerna, Bradley etc.
Whitnall throughout his ten year career so far has had a substantial number of years dealing with weight problems and really not being that usful for the majority of the time since his AA year till this year.
He has been a handy player but until this year has really failed to stand up when we needed him most.
Go back and watch the 99 season all over again. Sammy and Red ran riot. He has been the most consistent blue over the last decade. If he was able to play his natural position (CHF) he would go down as one of the greats. The fact that he has been able to be considered for all Australian at CHB just proves what a legen he is.
How many players can you think of that have had sustained success of any sort at both ends of the ground?
kangas_babe
23 Aug 2006, 00:22
congratulations lance fantastic achievement and great effort on reaching 200 games and all the best for the weekend do the family proud lance
Go back and watch the 99 season all over again. Sammy and Red ran riot. He has been the most consistent blue over the last decade. If he was able to play his natural position (CHF) he would go down as one of the greats. The fact that he has been able to be considered for all Australian at CHB just proves what a legen he is.
How many players can you think of that have had sustained success of any sort at both ends of the ground?
Consistent?
Where was he between the years of 2001 - 2005?
Whitnall is a great player, but he is no legend. If he were he'd have 4+ AA stitched up by now and shown much more this decade. What makes your post even more ridiculous is that you think he's had sustained success at both ends of the ground. Where is it? I don't call half a year after a few poor ones sustained success.
Was third in the B & F last year, spending the first half of the year up forward and then eventually having to fill the gap in defence in the second half of the year. 2003 & 2004 were his disappointing years, while 2002 he missed the pre-season due to Osteitis Pubis and played 14 games, kicking 27 goals, before Fev finished his season by crashing into his shoulder. In a ten year career, so far, he has produced 7 good to very good seasons, making him our most consistent player over that period.
THB until this year, his last "good" year was in 2002. He was in AA form at CHF until fevola ended his season.
By his standards and what he's capable of, I'd only say 1999/2000 was his great years. For what he's done in 2001 and 2002 (despite having injuries) he was alright there as well but I wouldn't call those two very good years.
Even last year I thought his season was below average. Most of the others were considerably worse than him though last year, but he has underachieved massively.
However he's still a good player and he's still important, despite his inconsistency over the past few years I'm glad we have him playing for us and well done on his 200th. :thumbsu:
THB until this year, his last "good" year was in 2002. He was in AA form at CHF until fevola ended his season.
By his standards and what he's capable of, I'd only say 1999/2000 was his great years. For what he's done in 2001 and 2002 (despite having injuries) he was alright there as well but I wouldn't call those two very good years.
Even last year I thought his season was below average. Most of the others were considerably worse than him though last year, but he has underachieved massively.
However he's still a good player and he's still important, despite his inconsistency over the past few years I'm glad we have him playing for us and well done on his 200th. :thumbsu:
Yep, Kouta really only had one or two seasons at the top of his form, injuries really kept him from being as good as he could be. The fact that the blues have been decimated by bad management and Lance has had to carry us through this by filling roles that someone even like Kouta couldnt do dosent really mean that much.
:rolleyes:
Yep, Kouta really only had one or two seasons at the top of his form, injuries really kept him from being as good as he could be. The fact that the blues have been decimated by bad management and Lance has had to carry us through this by filling roles that someone even like Kouta couldnt do dosent really mean that much.
:rolleyes:
What's with the rolleyes?
If you want to debate me on what I said, then do so. What part of my post doesn't agree with you?
What I said was correct. He's been for for some years, but has been inconsistent and is *not* a legend, however he's a good player and has been a great servant for our club.
Now, tell me, what part of it don't you understand?
deluxeman
23 Aug 2006, 18:34
Was third in the B & F last year, spending the first half of the year up forward and then eventually having to fill the gap in defence in the second half of the year. 2003 & 2004 were his disappointing years, while 2002 he missed the pre-season due to Osteitis Pubis and played 14 games, kicking 27 goals, before Fev finished his season by crashing into his shoulder. In a ten year career, so far, he has produced 7 good to very good seasons, making him our most consistent player over that period.
I don't think finishing 3rd in our B&F is such a great achievement last year and it probably says more about the state of our club than the performance of Lance. For all the promise he showed pre-2000, its a bit hard to not be dissapointed at some of those wasted years and thus I find it very hard to classify him as a great.
Go back and watch the 99 season all over again. Sammy and Red ran riot. He has been the most consistent blue over the last decade. If he was able to play his natural position (CHF) he would go down as one of the greats. The fact that he has been able to be considered for all Australian at CHB just proves what a legen he is.
How many players can you think of that have had sustained success of any sort at both ends of the ground?
I said he wasn't useful from his AA year till this year. His AA year was 2000 and before that he looked like he would become a great. But frankly as others have pointed out, he was at best handy for the majority of games in 01-05 and handy players do not get classified in the same group as true greats.
Kouta waxed and wained, sometimes through injury, other times through skill and performance just like lance. He has never lived up to his potential either. However he was surrounded by champions for most of his carreer which allowed him to play a career which highlighted his skills by allowing him to play his game without the responsibility of carrying the team. He was carried.
Lance does what Kouta did in the prelim almost every week. Constantly takes marks in defence to save our behinds and is a better shot at goal. His use of the ball, one percenters etc, etc, etc are way better than koutas. The difference between them is that Kouta is a one handed show boating marketing machine, and lance is the bloke who is left out in the field to actually do all the hard work. And carry the team.
I have always had more confidence in seeing lance with the ball in his hands than Kouta, no drama about that. The only thing kouta ever did really well was get the ball out of packs, especially with one hand. The only thing lance dosent do well is chase someone down.
mediumsizered
23 Aug 2006, 23:10
I don't think finishing 3rd in our B&F is such a great achievement last year and it probably says more about the state of our club than the performance of Lance. For all the promise he showed pre-2000, its a bit hard to not be dissapointed at some of those wasted years and thus I find it very hard to classify him as a great.
I said he wasn't useful from his AA year till this year. His AA year was 2000 and before that he looked like he would become a great. But frankly as others have pointed out, he was at best handy for the majority of games in 01-05 and handy players do not get classified in the same group as true greats.
Whitnall has had 2 bad seasons (2003 & 2004), plus one season affected by no pre-season (2002), out of his 10 year career. It should be remembered also, that up until Fev stood up 3 years ago, Whitnall was the man who got the best defender week in, week out. If you look back at his performances against Dustin Fletcher (one of the best defenders of the last decade) from 2001-2004, you get a clue as to how good he has been. I defy anyone to name a Carlton player who has bettered him consistently throughout his 10 year career (ie 1997-2006).
As for downplaying his performance in our B & F, do you downplay the efforts of Scott West, Chris Grant, Brad Johnson in what has been a predominantly weak Bulldogs side? Was Trent Croad's selection as AA CHB last year cheapened by playing with the 14th placed team? Was Bobby Skilton's 3 Brownlow Medals worth less because they were won while playing in a South Melbourne team that didn't play finals football? The overall performance of a team doesn't determine how good a player is, otherwise Lockett's efforts with both St Kilda and Sydney and even Fev's effort this year have less value because they are playing with a weaker team.
P.S. Lance's commitment to the Blues and value as a clubman couldn't have been better demonstrated than when he was offered a lesser contract last year and he did not put on a tantrum like Campo, Lappin did last year or Kouta and his leech, oops player/manager have just done in recent weeks. A true blue is Lance.
For quite a few years Lance did not try his hardest in order to prepare himself for AFL football while collecting a hefty pay cheque from this football club. He did not bleed for the club and did not do his best in order prepare himself to the necessary level to give himself the best chance of performing well.
His first half of 2006 was very good, but after that he has been up and down. I don't think he has performed well enough to get an AA selection but given the selectors it won't suprise me if he does get it.
mediumsizered
23 Aug 2006, 23:53
For quite a few years Lance did not try his hardest in order to prepare himself for AFL football while collecting a hefty pay cheque from this football club. He did not bleed for the club and did not do his best in order prepare himself to the necessary level to give himself the best chance of performing well.
His first half of 2006 was very good, but after that he has been up and down. I don't think he has performed well enough to get an AA selection but given the selectors it won't suprise me if he does get it.
You really have it in for Lance, don't you? What has he done to incur your wrath? You better get used to him being around for a while yet. After he has captained the side for 4-5 years, he will ultimately end up on the coaching panel, where he will be extremely successful. You will learn to love him.
anyone else want to crap on a great player, who had a bad time and had the character to turn it all around?
line up here....
Bluebear
24 Aug 2006, 00:07
anyone else want to crap on a great player, who had a bad time and had the character to turn it all around?
line up here....
He is the first natural leader the club has had since sticks.
He is the only guy that all the current players respect.
If Stevens yells at someone to do something better, they yell right back at him. If big Red says something to them, they nod and do it.
P.S. Kouta had nothing to do with the goings on of recent weeks. Anyone who has followed this club closely knows that he has the worst leach of a manager the league has ever seen (gee, wonder where the leaks come from???) who uses the media to his own ends.
Kouta always maintained it was never about money, and given what he has reputedly signed for, that impossible to dispute. Kouta HAS bled for this club - he bled from multiple ligaments in his knees, and rather than retire a couple of years ago when he was in the brace, he has done the hard thing, to come back and be the B & F last year.
Awesome.
Leave both these guys alone.
If you want to crap on reputations that have not been earned, no. 24 springs to mind, 11 not far behind. What is it with ex-port players?
You will learn to love him.
I love the club, not the players