View Full Version : Robert Walls' Marc Murphy idea
FieryNayta
24 Aug 2006, 21:47
Matthew Lloyd on tonights White Line Fever said that he heard Walls on the radio declaring that if he was in charge of carlton, he would name Murphy as our new captain.
Now im not one of the people thaty always jump on wallsy's back when he makes controversial decisions. In fact, i dont mind the bloke.
But this comment is just absolutely ridiculous, and seriously dents his credibility in my eyes. How can a professional football identity have this opinion? Marc has played 13 games for christ sake.
I know that in the future he has the potential to lead the club, but it is clearly too early in his career. He still hasnt fully developed as a player (despite how good he already looks) and thats his first priority for the next few years.
Personally, i believe anybody below the age of about 22 is just too young to burden such a massive responsibility and i think Lance's maturity is the best benefit for the club.
wake up and smell the coffee
walls = senile
bluegal1983
24 Aug 2006, 21:50
Matthew Lloyd on tonights White Line Fever said that he heard Walls on the radio declaring that if he was in charge of carlton, he would name Murphy as our new captain.
Now im not one of the people thaty always jump on wallsy's back when he makes controversial decisions. In fact, i dont mind the bloke.
But this comment is just absolutely ridiculous, and seriously dents his credibility in my eyes. How can a professional football identity have this opinion? Marc has played 13 games for christ sake.
I know that in the future he has the potential to lead the club, but it is clearly too early in his career. He still hasnt fully developed as a player (despite how good he already looks) and thats his first priority for the next few years.
Personally, i believe anybody below the age of about 22 is just too young to burden such a massive responsibility and i think Lance's maturity is the best benefit for the club.
I heard that comment on 3AW after the Richmond game. The reason he said that was because he said that it was very clear to him that Carlton doesn't have a true leader on the field and that giving it to Marc Murphy wouldn't be such a bad idea.
FieryNayta
24 Aug 2006, 21:55
wake up and smell the coffee
walls = senile
hahahaha, dont worry, i think im waking up :thumbsu:
BLUEBOY1
24 Aug 2006, 21:59
Matthew Lloyd on tonights White Line Fever said that he heard Walls on the radio declaring that if he was in charge of carlton, he would name Murphy as our new captain.
Now im not one of the people thaty always jump on wallsy's back when he makes controversial decisions. In fact, i dont mind the bloke.
But this comment is just absolutely ridiculous, and seriously dents his credibility in my eyes. How can a professional football identity have this opinion? Marc has played 13 games for christ sake.
I know that in the future he has the potential to lead the club, but it is clearly too early in his career. He still hasnt fully developed as a player (despite how good he already looks) and thats his first priority for the next few years.
Personally, i believe anybody below the age of about 22 is just too young to burden such a massive responsibility and i think Lance's maturity is the best benefit for the club.
Why dosn't that comment suprise me, maybe in 5-6 years time I would consider it, Kernas got the gig in 1987 at 23years old (thats after playing over 100games of SANFL) and he went on to became Carltons greatest ever captain, so maybe when Murphs about that age I hope Carlton would consider it.
If Murphs didn't get injured I would say that he would of finished in the top 5 in the B&F easy.
whippersnipper
24 Aug 2006, 22:17
I genuinely believe the idea has some serious merit. The way Marc Murphy has handled everything this year has been unbelievable. He has taken all his responsibilities on with a maturity not generally seen in someone so young. Sure it would be a gamble, but lets face it, Walls, the very same person that you all are bagging right now, did the exact same thing in 1987 and the result speaks for itself- the greatest leader the ga,me has ever seen- Stephen Kernahan. I would urge everyone here to think about the suggestion before you go out and criticise it.
trueblue_91
24 Aug 2006, 22:20
I genuinely believe the idea has some serious merit. The way Marc Murphy has handled everything this year has been unbelievable. He has taken all his responsibilities on with a maturity not generally seen in someone so young. Sure it would be a gamble, but lets face it, Walls, the very same person that you all are bagging right now, did the exact same thing in 1987 and the result speaks for itself- the greatest leader the ga,me has ever seen- Stephen Kernahan. I would urge everyone here to think about the suggestion before you go out and criticise it.
I kinda like the idea seeing as we are rebuilding for the future. But it is unfair to lance and fev to great leaders at the club. Maybe we should have fev or whitnall captain and walker and murphy vice
There's no way he'd be ready for captaincy right now but I agree with whippersnipper, he has shown heaps of maturity in his first year. Should be a front runner for the next captaincy after this one.
AlecDuncan
24 Aug 2006, 22:23
Personally, i believe anybody below the age of about 22 is just too young to burden such a massive responsibility and i think Lance's maturity is the best benefit for the club.
Bear in mind that Walls was coach when Sticks was made captain after one season. Mind you Sticks wasn't a kid, he was 23, but the idea isn't completely without merit.
Captains don't have to be your best player - it's more about heart and head than it is about talent. Maybe he can't see enough of both those qualities in either Red, Stevens or Fev, and he might be right for all I know.
It's too soon to be anointing kids like Murphy with that responsibility though.
Yep, Marc Murphy knows enough about AFL Football with all of 3 months experience to lead a team where almost every other bloke has years on him. He has almost zero understanding of what is required and is still an absolute novice. When you weigh things up it is quite simply a ridiculous idea.
blues4flag
24 Aug 2006, 22:46
I genuinely believe the idea has some serious merit. The way Marc Murphy has handled everything this year has been unbelievable. He has taken all his responsibilities on with a maturity not generally seen in someone so young. Sure it would be a gamble, but lets face it, Walls, the very same person that you all are bagging right now, did the exact same thing in 1987 and the result speaks for itself- the greatest leader the ga,me has ever seen- Stephen Kernahan. I would urge everyone here to think about the suggestion before you go out and criticise it.
Sticks was five years older than what Murphy is now and was developed whilst Murphy still is learning at AFL level. Way too young.
FieryNayta
24 Aug 2006, 22:49
Bear in mind that Walls was coach when Sticks was made captain after one season. Mind you Sticks wasn't a kid, he was 23, but the idea isn't completely without merit.
Captains don't have to be your best player - it's more about heart and head than it is about talent. Maybe he can't see enough of both those qualities in either Red, Stevens or Fev, and he might be right for all I know.
It's too soon to be anointing kids like Murphy with that responsibility though.
Exactly. Sticks was 23.
I also believe that to be a captain you should have a strong physical pressence. With no disrespect to Marc, he still looks like a high school student. I'd also doubt weather or not he's ever had to shave a day in his life.
When he's beefed up and reached a higher plane of physical maturity, he should be looked at more seriously.
Can anyone seriously see marc walking to the centre of the field and shaking hands with a Voss/Buckley/Judd before the coin toss while Big Red and Fev stand back in the huddle?
Its a mans job, and a serious one at that. Let the kid be just that, and for him to concentrate on playing some good footy.
unless people on here are close to Murphy on and off the field then there's no credibility in dismissing this idea.
Murphy appears to be someone very special, not just in football talent. Parkin has said he is a natural leader. from the miniscule amount that I know of Murphy, I would support this idea.
Bluebear
25 Aug 2006, 00:15
unless people on here are close to Murphy on and off the field then there's no credibility in dismissing this idea.
Murphy appears to be someone very special, not just in football talent. Parkin has said he is a natural leader. from the miniscule amount that I know of Murphy, I would support this idea.
This is Walls at his (insame) best. There is exactly ZERO comparison between Sticks and Murph for the reasons mentioned. Yes he has handled the No. 1 pick pressure very well, and look sto be a composed young man, who certainly look to have leadership POTENTIAL.
But are you seriously suggesting that pre-game Lance, Nick, Fev, Tex, Matty etc are gonna stare into this kids eyes when he says, "lets go get em boys" - and feel the passion burn and be inspired to great things.
Even more so than a game in the seniors, the captaincy is not something you just hand out. Young Simpson has worked very hard from a limited skill base, earnt the respect of his team mates and has been put in the leadership group. This would be the first step for Murph, as it show his teammates respect him. After that it depends on how he LEADS those around him.
He's 18 and very green. He has not earnt it yet.
In the fututre I have no doubt he will be a candidate, he has that look about him - but who knows, maybe Fev will stamp a claim on it with further on field action next year.
Lance for now - can't wait to see what Walls writes about the Maggies on Saturday - no doubt more ammunition to make their blood boil, to fire up for a win.
Kenny Hunter
25 Aug 2006, 08:28
Didn't hear Walls on the radio but heard about it on White Line Fever and Robert Walls is half correct
Carlton doesn't have a leader or a future leader . We haven't had a leader since Bradley and Ratten went . Kouta is a captain by default , he's a great role model and was a good player but he has never been captain material
And with the next leaders of the club , u have Whitnall but i only see this a 2 year gig for him because after 2 years I see Lance washed up in football , look how slow he is now . Whitnall understands the game better than anyone among the players but his poor record of getting himself fit before pre- season sets a bad a example to other players.
The other player mentioned to captain the club , is Fevola , but the guy is only one year out of clown school , he might return to his old ways and I don't like our future captain stuck at Full Foward
Murphy for sure is our future leader and Gibbs also if we pick him which I feel is a given
So Whitnall to captain the next 2 years and give it to Murphy after
I believe Murphy has future Carlton captain written all over him, but it is just ridiculous to think someone who has only played 13 games of AFL footy and still a teenager is someone who has the ability to lead the club.
Whitnall is the ideal leader for the Carlton Footy Club next year.
C4[2]Yo`DooR
25 Aug 2006, 09:35
Nope were saving it for Bryce Gibbs :thumbsu:
Yo`DooR']Nope were saving it for Bryce Gibbs :thumbsu:
Just make them co-captains.
Murphy no doubt has future captain stamped on his forehead, but to appoint him captain next season is insane.
Firstly lets let the kid develop without having the added responsibility of being captain. The captaincy will put him more in the limelight and put a big weight on his shoulders that I don't think he's ready for.
If I was a fellow player like Whitnall, Fev, Lappin, Thornton, Stevens, Houlihan, Scotland; It would be difficult to get inspired by someone that has not gone through the pain of the last 4 years and has not bled enough for the club. Plus he's barely finished puberty, we need someone that emits strength of body and character and he's still not there yet.
Whitnall should get the next captaincy, he's a father/son and has followed the blues all his life, he would bleed for the club and giving him the captaincy I feel would be that little something that keeps him fit and in control of his weight.
Andyt30
25 Aug 2006, 13:56
maby make Marc Murphy Vice Captain :) they should do what st.kilda dose and have a rotating policy ? i think captains should give vice captains a go at being captain for the day? would help em out when they become full captain?
maby make Marc Murphy Vice Captain :) they should do what st.kilda dose and have a rotating policy ? i think captains should give vice captains a go at being captain for the day? would help em out when they become full captain?
No way Andy. I hate the rotation policy. Clubs should have 1 captain, and that's it.
gadj1976
25 Aug 2006, 14:37
Way way too young. At 18, or whatever he is, he should be concentrating on becoming a consistent player, not about trying to lead people who would need less instruction than himself.
Bluebear
25 Aug 2006, 14:40
No way Andy. I hate the rotation policy. Clubs should have 1 captain, and that's it.
Agreed. Rotating captains cheapens what is a great honour in any club. Who values it if "its my turn next". You don;t take turns - you earn it through the respect of your team mates earned over many seasons. Sorry Fev, Marc, Nick.
Lance is the only one who commands this respect.
gadj1976
25 Aug 2006, 14:59
Agreed. Rotating captains cheapens what is a great honour in any club. Who values it if "its my turn next". You don;t take turns - you earn it through the respect of your team mates earned over many seasons. Sorry Fev, Marc, Nick.
Lance is the only one who commands this respect.
Agree with you and Hugebluesfan. I captained my local club and it took me about 6 weeks to find my feet. I didn't really know what to do, what to expect and what to say. I certainly felt intimidated speaking to blokes more senior than I was. So to rotate the captaincy I feel just makes it more difficult on the bloke who is nominated captain. It also interrupts the development of the individual in my opinion.
I know that captaining an AFL team would be completely different, but the pressure on a young bloke would be enormous and not something you could instantly be prepared for and able to adapt to.
Go_Blueboyzzz
25 Aug 2006, 16:59
I believe Marc Murphy will eb captain from 2009 onwards. therefore leaving Lance to take charge for the next 2 seasons, before allowing MURPH the responsibilt for the next 5+ years after that. One things for sure we have a long-term future leader locked in
these days the whole captain things is overrated its just a title and in the scheme of things doesn't mean much.
all it means is tossing the coin, more media conferences, more publicity/promotions gigs and more responsibility around the club.
the captain should be whoever can handle these extra duties and still be able to perform on the field
in our current situation, i like the idea of co captains so we can spread the responsibilities around
do what sydney and melb storm have done.
btw
murphy for captin atm is not a good idea, let the kid concentrate on developing his footy and enjoy being a kid while he can.
aic-poppy
25 Aug 2006, 17:14
The club should have a serious sit down with Kouta convince him to remain captain. No one else on the list has the credentials.
Then maybe Fev would be a serious option if he could maintain his form and discipline of this season. Guys like Waite, Walker, Murphy and Simpson could also be an option in another years time.
BlueWorld
25 Aug 2006, 18:01
Walls once suggested Darren Hulme should become captain.:rolleyes:
Johnny_3
25 Aug 2006, 18:03
I'm a huge marc murphy fan and hearing this from him, "The Pain in my left shoulder was instant and sharp and i knew i was a goner. I got up and tried to stay involved in the play thinking i would have one last chance to take one of them with me", you would think those words would be coming out of a captains mouth. He is mentally able but needs a year or 2 to physically be prepared to lead the carlton footy club to greatness.
While we don't have an obvious, standout leader, I reckon a rotation system would be good. But not Murphy just yet - give him another year to get his confidence up. How tough is next year going to be for him anyway? Returning from serious injury, with a bullseye on his back now teams have seen what he can do, plus he's still young and adjusting to AFL football - and on top of that Walls wants to make him captain? Even Kernahan was 2-3 years older than Murphy when he became captain.
I'd give 4-5 guys a shot at being captain next year, each for 4-5 weeks. Whitnall, Waite, Thornton, Stevens, and perhaps Walker and French could do it. Try and bring out some leadership from as many guys as possible
Stanton
25 Aug 2006, 20:24
While we don't have an obvious, standout leader, I reckon a rotation system would be good. But not Murphy just yet - give him another year to get his confidence up. How tough is next year going to be for him anyway? Returning from serious injury, with a bullseye on his back now teams have seen what he can do, plus he's still young and adjusting to AFL football - and on top of that Walls wants to make him captain? Even Kernahan was 2-3 years older than Murphy when he became captain.
I'd give 4-5 guys a shot at being captain next year, each for 4-5 weeks. Whitnall, Waite, Thornton, Stevens, and perhaps Walker and French could do it. Try and bring out some leadership from as many guys as possible
Interesting idea, i personally would prefer to have a stable captain. Fev or Whitnall come to mind as offering that stability. I think your idea has some merit tho, i wouldnt want French captain tho!
Marc needs more time in the system to establish himself, before consideration to take over the captaincy. Maybe a vice captaincy role could be on the cards?