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stander
27 Aug 2006, 10:36
He does not have a clue- get his separation certificate ready now.
C4[2]Yo`DooR
27 Aug 2006, 11:03
Bit harsh ...
I actually felt sorry for him last night ... I dont think they're was anything he or anyone else (apart from maybe McPhee) could do .. Richo was just having one of those nights.
kelvin_sheedy
27 Aug 2006, 11:10
Yeah, a tad harsh mate.
Nothing he can do to stop Richo in full flight. Should have got more support from the third man up like Jobe in the first quarter. Reynolds and Pev failed him on two occasions and Rioli gave him a gift goal for another.
Tried hard and run off a bit but was clearly out muscled and out positioned.
The Dustbin
27 Aug 2006, 11:53
Didn't get much help last night, particularly from the on ballers dropping back to fill the space. He'll be ok, although not sure wher he is best suited at this stage.
Maybe a wing, half forward?? :confused:
keepzitreal
27 Aug 2006, 12:24
Didn't get much help last night, particularly from the on ballers dropping back to fill the space. He'll be ok, although not sure wher he is best suited at this stage.
Maybe a wing, half forward?? :confused:
Definitely agree that on a wing/half forward he would be best. Doesnt have the quickness or smarts to play as a tall. Just needs to be a midfield/flanker type who just happens to be tall
Our setup didnt help either, Richo had half the ground to lead up into all night.
Our setup didnt help either, Richo had half the ground to lead up into all night.
No doubt Richo was on, but by the same token i don't think Kepplar really has any idea on how to play CHB or to play tight on any talented forward for that matter.
I'm not prepared to write him off but i do have some serious doubts on him as a KP Backman
dodgyJim
27 Aug 2006, 13:45
I reckon next year they will open Kepler up more across the wing or half forward.
The coming draft will see us pickup Hansen or Gumby to fill a CHB role. Yes, they will be 1st year players so I am not expecting them to fix our problem overnight but from all reports they are pretty much ready made players who are already playing against big body opponents and doing quite well.
Combine this with Lee who has potential and hopefully we will see some of Austin Lucy who people have been talking up and we might see a bit of a fix to our glaringly obvious CHB problem.
At the end of the day, any of these guys must be better than Bradley who seemingly has no idea how to play that position. Gets killed every single time.
I also said "a bit of a fix", as well all know its going to take time.....can't do any worse than what we have now.
If we draft Hansen don't be surprised if he starts off at Bendigo
soundly beaten, but i dont think he is a backman. Love the look of him on the wing or half forward, where he can run.
does anyone else think he looks like he's drunk when he's paying footy:P
Defintely agree that he was soundly beaten by an much improved Richo display. He did try hard despite his opponent's superiority and he's defintely out of sorts as a key defender. He needed help all night pretty much and the only incidents notable in that department were Watson's grab down back and some Hird magic in the clinches.
Bradlet will be much better out on the wing outmarking smaller, weaker opponents. He was well out of his depth last night and it looked pretty embarrassing during some contests.
dodgyJim
27 Aug 2006, 14:43
If we draft Hansen don't be surprised if he starts off at Bendigo
I am sure that anyone we draft will start off at Bendigo. Didn't Patty Ryder play the first few games this year?
Longy413
27 Aug 2006, 14:43
Our setup didnt help either, Richo had half the ground to lead up into all night.
At the same time, it was our setup that enabled us to be in the game.
They wanted a loose man in our forward line, we kept manning it up. At times it meant we played with 7-8 forwards and made it hard for us to crowd Richo's space. At the same time it made it more difficult for them to generate run from half-back, which is no doubt their strength.
We pretty much handed goals to Richo in order to kick more ourselves.
He's a good player Richo.
He does not have a clue- get his separation certificate ready now.
The way the ball came in i dont think Fletch would have held him either. Yes Kep got flogged but because we went man on man to cover their loose men down back we had no one to help Bradley by blocking the space . The amount or room Richo had to lead into he would have kicked 6 or 7 on Fletcher. And lets not forget that Richo got a couple of goals from cheap 50's and down field frees.
I am not saying Kep didnt get pantsed because he did but he was sacrifised tonight. At least he held his head up and ran off Richo a few times to make play.
Darealrath
27 Aug 2006, 15:49
I get the impression that Keps is the type of bloke who will respond well to what happened last night.
At the same time, it was our setup that enabled us to be in the game.I agree, I thought our set up was a great coaching move. Specially when Hirdy was owning it up in the centre clearances. I was just pointing out that it did no favours for Kep.
kep just needs to build his motor up so he can play on a wing and his use his run and height. at the moment i dont think he had the engine and if he is to be used down back maybe on the third or forth tall as he does read the play well and can peel of and help other defenders being the third player up. he probably should have played on someone like pattison last night.
SydneyBomber
27 Aug 2006, 17:50
kep just needs to build his motor up so he can play on a wing and his use his run and height. at the moment i dont think he had the engine and if he is to be used down back maybe on the third or forth tall as he does read the play well and can peel of and help other defenders being the third player up. he probably should have played on someone like pattison last night.
yep.
he's not a backman.
needs to build up the motor in the offseason and stick him on hff/wing next year.
yep.
he's not a backman.
needs to build up the motor in the offseason and stick him on hff/wing next year.
He'll thrive at HFF/wing if he is able to be used there week in week out IMO
Will be an average player at best.
dave_27
27 Aug 2006, 21:30
Last nights game had no affect on my thoughts of Kepler whats so ever.
We already know CHB isnt Keplers best position, we know he has looked better further up the field.
Thought it was a waste of valuable game time for Kepler by sheedy to be honest.
Last nights game had no affect on my thoughts of Kepler whats so ever.
We already know CHB isnt Keplers best position, we know he has looked better further up the field.
Thought it was a waste of valuable game time for Kepler by sheedy to be honest.
There was nothing that could be done except perhaps bring some other backman in from the twos. We were always going to be stretched when Simmonds went forward and Stafford came on occasionally.
Dr Moose
27 Aug 2006, 23:10
No place for him next year IMO. Not a defender, and that's where we need him. We'll have no shortage of forwards next year, especially with Hille providing added flexibility. Give him a chance with the draft, otherwise he's still got enough time before Beijing to try his hand at volleyball!
No place for him next year IMO. Not a defender, and that's where we need him. We'll have no shortage of forwards next year, especially with Hille providing added flexibility. Give him a chance with the draft, otherwise he's still got enough time before Beijing to try his hand at volleyball!
He would be more likey to spike a teamates head, then get anywhere near the ball.
stander
28 Aug 2006, 10:51
The way the ball came in i dont think Fletch would have held him either. Yes Kep got flogged but because we went man on man to cover their loose men down back we had no one to help Bradley by blocking the space . The amount or room Richo had to lead into he would have kicked 6 or 7 on Fletcher. And lets not forget that Richo got a couple of goals from cheap 50's and down field frees.
I am not saying Kep didnt get pantsed because he did but he was sacrifised tonight. At least he held his head up and ran off Richo a few times to make play.
Bradley should have been studying Prestagiacomo yesterday- did not give Fevola an inch on the lead. Its called concentration and he can't handle it very well.
Daytripper
28 Aug 2006, 12:13
Bradley should have been studying Prestagiacomo yesterday- did not give Fevola an inch on the lead. Its called concentration and he can't handle it very well.
How were Darren Glass and Ben Rutten going at age 20 ?
Groater
28 Aug 2006, 12:44
Geez some of you are really harsh on the kid... I would love to have kepler in my team. He's in his second year of the system and has usually had to be played far deep in the backline, which is hard for any kid, especially when your team is in the bottom 2. You must remember that KPs take alot longer than midfielders to develop. McPhee is a good example of this, didn't do much at freo in his first couple of years, but then burst on to the stage with you guys. Don't be tempted to make harsh judgements on these kids. Especially when your team is performing badly. Remember the saints circa 2000-2002.
Bradley should have been studying Prestagiacomo yesterday- did not give Fevola an inch on the lead. Its called concentration and he can't handle it very well.
How old is Prestigiacomo? Show me an accomplished key position backmen who are 20-21? If we draft hansen or Gumby they are going to need three or more years before they will show much. Stander- your negativity is simply amazing. Richardson is a big strong talented key position player who was having a special game in a pretty good career. Do you write off Fletcher when Hall or Bradshaw do a number on him? I bet you would have written off Fletcher early in his career as well. I dont know if Bradley will make it or not but I do not there is no tougher position to learn than a key position in the backline playing on guns- especially when there is fast delivery, lots of space and little help from your teammates.
stander
28 Aug 2006, 13:06
How old is Prestigiacomo? Show me an accomplished key position backmen who are 20-21? If we draft hansen or Gumby they are going to need three or more years before they will show much. Stander- your negativity is simply amazing. Richardson is a big strong talented key position player who was having a special game in a pretty good career. Do you write off Fletcher when Hall or Bradshaw do a number on him? I bet you would have written off Fletcher early in his career as well. I dont know if Bradley will make it or not but I do not there is no tougher position to learn than a key position in the backline playing on guns- especially when there is fast delivery, lots of space and little help from your teammates.
Foji- He looked hopeless on Richardson and should have done better. Has looked confused all year, the coaches can take some of the blame. No doubt Ayres will have the tapes rolling and confuse him even more. If you are looking for a positive- Watson turned it around in year 4. Fletcher was playing on Kernahan in his first year and got towelled. He turned it around pretty quickly though but you are comparing two very different palyers.
Foji- He looked hopeless on Richardson and should have done better. Has looked confused all year, the coaches can take some of the blame. No doubt Ayres will have the tapes rolling and confuse him even more. If you are looking for a positive- Watson turned it around in year 4. Fletcher was playing on Kernahan in his first year and got towelled. He turned it around pretty quickly though but you are comparing two very different palyers.
How am I confusing anything? I am simply stating that you need to give key defenders time. I am not convinced he is going to make it but you're judgements are overly harsh and unfair. If Bradley is playing the same at 24 then you write him off but players like him need 6-7 years in the system. It is as simple as that.
Bradley should have been studying Prestagiacomo yesterday- did not give Fevola an inch on the lead. Its called concentration and he can't handle it very well.
Presti has been playing how long???
Maybe you should have a shot at Johns for not matching Richo's effort as well:rolleyes:
Hirdsolo McPheestantrioli
28 Aug 2006, 23:30
Kepler may be able to shut down a computer but thats about it, certainly cannot shut down the hard working key forwards.
Unfortunately not the bloke for the job of Fletcher replacement at full back. Has talent, but his future is certainly as far away from opposition key forwards as possible.
wazzabp
29 Aug 2006, 01:42
Geez some of you are really harsh on the kid... I would love to have kepler in my team. He's in his second year of the system and has usually had to be played far deep in the backline, which is hard for any kid, especially when your team is in the bottom 2. You must remember that KPs take alot longer than midfielders to develop. McPhee is a good example of this, didn't do much at freo in his first couple of years, but then burst on to the stage with you guys. Don't be tempted to make harsh judgements on these kids. Especially when your team is performing badly. Remember the saints circa 2000-2002.
Well said, but I think this is Bradleys third year, but what you said still applies, hes played buggar all footy at this level.
Some people just think every young player needs to burst onto the AFL scene like Judd, but its not like that.
Slattery_20
29 Aug 2006, 11:14
Well said, but I think this is Bradleys third year, but what you said still applies, hes played buggar all footy at this level.
Some people just think every young player needs to burst onto the AFL scene like Judd, but its not like that.
and many that do, fade away just as quickly
Keps needs time. As of right now, he ain't a centre half back. But with no centre half back in our squad, he's doing his best at the job. We would do better with McPhee standing the opposition Centre Half Forward, and Keps/Lee rotating through 3rd tall.
For anyone writing Keps off this quickly, remember Brisbane? Having free roam of the flanks he was electrifying. He's clearly a naturally talented player.
stander
29 Aug 2006, 14:44
Presti has been playing how long???
Maybe you should have a shot at Johns for not matching Richo's effort as well:rolleyes:
You miss the point again Ant robus, Bradley could learn a lot about concentrating on his man from someone like Prestagiacomo- it would help his game down back if they play him there occassionally. Have a shot at Johns yourself if you need to. His kicking has improved a lot incidentally.
You miss the point again Ant robus, Bradley could learn a lot about concentrating on his man from someone like Prestagiacomo- it would help his game down back if they play him there occassionally. Have a shot at Johns yourself if you need to. His kicking has improved a lot incidentally.
I havnt missed the point at all , you expect a player who is under 21 to have the concentration of a wily vetran who has had a few years to work on it.
It is very doubtfull anyone could have kept Richo under 6 goals given the forward set up they had, there was more space than Pagans paddock to lead into. I think the kid did learn something because his comments after the related to how much more he needed to improve his fitness to go with guys like Richo (fatigue leads to lack of conentration).
And you missed the point with my Johns comment , i was implying that if Bradley should be as good as Presti then maybe Johns should be playing as well as Richo if you go by that theory. I dont have any problem with the way Johns is going.
essendon
29 Aug 2006, 18:47
I really do not understand why they didnt persist with Lee in the side and trying him at CHB instead of Kep. Here is a guy when given a chance looked a likely type at either end of the ground and we havent seen him since in the seniors.
Presti has been playing how long???
Maybe you should have a shot at Johns for not matching Richo's effort as well:rolleyes:
Richo 200+ games....Johns 12 games
Although started in the forward line at the bounces he pushed up and played CHF/Wing most of the night and was invovled in alot of play, while not getting stacks of the ball he still racked up 15, kicked a goal, set up rioli....his field kicking has improved masively
Richo 200+ games....Johns 12 games
Although started in the forward line at the bounces he pushed up and played CHF/Wing most of the night and was invovled in alot of play, while not getting stacks of the ball he still racked up 15, kicked a goal, set up rioli....his field kicking has improved masively
Dont people see the rolly eyes ???
I wasnt having a shot at Johns he is doing fine for a under 20 game player. I was simply saying in response to a commet that is Kep is expected to play as well as Presti then why wasnt Johns critisied for not playing as well as Richo. Same sort of comparison.
Slattery_20
29 Aug 2006, 19:26
ever get the feeling you're banging your head against a brick wall?
stander
30 Aug 2006, 14:44
I havnt missed the point at all , you expect a player who is under 21 to have the concentration of a wily vetran who has had a few years to work on it.
It is very doubtfull anyone could have kept Richo under 6 goals given the forward set up they had, there was more space than Pagans paddock to lead into. I think the kid did learn something because his comments after the related to how much more he needed to improve his fitness to go with guys like Richo (fatigue leads to lack of conentration).
And you missed the point with my Johns comment , i was implying that if Bradley should be as good as Presti then maybe Johns should be playing as well as Richo if you go by that theory. I dont have any problem with the way Johns is going.
Pointless response Ant robus, if he wanted to improve his game, he could take some time out and look at the way Presti wears an opponent, all day. He was also touted as being able to run all day when picked up in the draft, and that was three years ago. Johns is going quite well with his concentration by the way.
It would be pretty hard to learn from Presti when they play at opposite ends of the ground....he'll learn more about playing the position from a forward if anything.
Pointless response Ant robus, if he wanted to improve his game, he could take some time out and look at the way Presti wears an opponent, all day. He was also touted as being able to run all day when picked up in the draft, and that was three years ago. Johns is going quite well with his concentration by the way.
Yes and im sure that he has never watched any tapes of how Presti or Mal Micheal or even Fletch plays.:rolleyes:
I am sure that no one could train you to do a perfect job at anything by showing you a few videos and then sending you straight into it. It is an art that is learnt by playing over a number of years. I can remember when Presti started and he wasnt an instant sucess.
I would say your argument is pointless , you are expecting a third year player to be able to show the skills of a 8 year plus vetran and for whatever reason you seem to think that because he has failed at it this year it is because he has not studied any other players. I am not sold on his ability to be a star backman, i think he will be a better ruckman to tell the truth but i dont expect him to be holding stars of the game when he has played only 40 odd games.