View Full Version : Who is the best player of the last 15 years ?
Barnsey3150
28 Aug 2006, 16:29
I personally believe Wayne Carey is not only the best player of the last 15 years but the best player ever.
PAFC2004
28 Aug 2006, 16:31
I personally believe this is a dumb poll.
Barnsey3150
28 Aug 2006, 17:03
Thank you
PAFC2004
28 Aug 2006, 17:08
Sorry mate, but there are very few options for 15 years, and the term 'best' is far too ambiguous.
DynamoUltra
28 Aug 2006, 18:23
Where's the option, "Agree with PAFC"?
TigerGlory
28 Aug 2006, 18:55
Wheres Michael Voss on that poll?
Boomeroo
29 Aug 2006, 17:47
Carey....... easily.
delirious1
29 Aug 2006, 17:51
Carey, Hird, Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett
in that order
The Zebra
29 Aug 2006, 18:45
From that list,
1. Carey - clearly
2. Ablett
3. Lockett
4. Dunstall
Roosurgence
29 Aug 2006, 18:48
Good Footballer the Toilet Duck.
Just a prick of a person!
Oh When the Saints
30 Aug 2006, 17:57
The great Sir Robert Harvey
35 years old and still an elite player.
The greatest ever at St. Kilda and surely one of the greatest the game has seen.
Revolutionised the running game and was streaks ahead of the competition in his prime in 1997/98.
The great Sir Robert Harvey
35 years old and still an elite player.
The greatest ever at St. Kilda and surely one of the greatest the game has seen.
Revolutionised the running game and was streaks ahead of the competition in his prime in 1997/98.
Bit unfair to Ian stewart/
Dream Team 2006
30 Aug 2006, 19:02
Rename poll, Best forward of the past 15 years?
1- Ablett
2- Duck
3- Locket
4- Dunstall
Although Ablett is the best ever, Ablett drew crowds of people just to watch the game doesnt matter what supporter you were. He was just an all out super star.
ripitup27
30 Aug 2006, 20:11
I'm just wondering, and not because I am a Cats supporter and an Ablett fan, why is it that Carey is considered the greatest player of all time in many peoples eyes? Not having a dig at him I used to hate it when he was in a side against Geelong, but personally I think the other three players here were better. Lockett, Ablett and Dunstall all kicked over 1000 goals in their careers with all three averaging over 4 goals per game, while Carey kicked about 2 per game. While I know Carey mainly played CHF, which therefore means he would kick less goals, it needs to be considered that Ablett only started playing FF in 1993 consistently, when he was otherwise played on the wing or HFF. As well as this, Carey has never won a Brownlow medal, while the likes of Lockett, Harvey, Hird, Voss, Buckley and Ricciuto all have. So why is it he is considered the greatest of all time. All these players could turn a match, all were brilliantly skilled and all were hard at it.
RogerRabbit69
30 Aug 2006, 20:53
When Carey was on-song, he was unstoppable. Could absolutely dominate a match.
Big Nasty
30 Aug 2006, 21:23
Umm, so could Ablett.
Big Nasty
30 Aug 2006, 21:26
Mate to consider Robert Harvey a great compared to Matthews, Ablett and Carey is an insult to these legends. Greg Williams was better than Harvey as was Malcolm Blight.
The Fev
31 Aug 2006, 10:32
Mate to consider Robert Harvey a great compared to Matthews, Ablett and Carey is an insult to these legends. Greg Williams was better than Harvey as was Malcolm Blight.
This statement is an insult to Robbie Harvey... You are a joke... He has every right to be up there when it comes to comparing champions... In his prime he was as good as anyone in his position and has done it longer than most of them... Hell, he is still doing it now!
kimirocks
31 Aug 2006, 14:13
Carey without a shadow of a doubt.
Cassius_Clay
31 Aug 2006, 14:31
Ablett > Carey
rick James
31 Aug 2006, 14:41
Bit unfair to Ian stewart/
I thought he played for Collingwood?
rick James
31 Aug 2006, 14:41
This statement is an insult to Robbie Harvey... You are a joke... He has every right to be up there when it comes to comparing champions... In his prime he was as good as anyone in his position and has done it longer than most of them... Hell, he is still doing it now!
Shut up, he's still years behind Carey and Ablett. no comparison.
The Fev
31 Aug 2006, 17:24
Shut up, he's still years behind Carey and Ablett. no comparison.
You are a spud too, Carey and Ablett have the luxury of being so good because there are fewer players who play their position. You have to give credit where it's due mate, Harvey is a superstar, Carey and Ablett and Hird and blokes like that have the luxury of turning a game by kicking goals, but it's blokes like Harvey who give them the ball. Harvey has been as good as these blokes for a longer period of time. Started earlier and still goin
rick James
31 Aug 2006, 17:26
You are a spud too, Carey and Ablett have the luxury of being so good because there are fewer players who play their position. You have to give credit where it's due mate, Harvey is a superstar, Carey and Ablett and Hird and blokes like that have the luxury of turning a game by kicking goals, but it's blokes like Harvey who give them the ball. Harvey has been as good as these blokes for a longer period of time. Started earlier and still goin
He was never as good as any of those guys.
He's more consistent, and has better longevity. But he doesn't have the right to be mentioned alongside Hird, Ablett, Carey, Matthews - he just simply isn't that good. And he never was.
Yes he's a star, and one of the best players ever, but he isn't at that level.
Plumbers Crack
31 Aug 2006, 17:35
Robert Harvey is a mile ahead of that 4
I'm just wondering, and not because I am a Cats supporter and an Ablett fan, why is it that Carey is considered the greatest player of all time in many peoples eyes? Because he was.Not having a dig at him I used to hate it when he was in a side against Geelong, but personally I think the other three players here were better. Carey easily.Lockett, Ablett and Dunstall all kicked over 1000 goals in their careers with all three averaging over 4 goals per game, while Carey kicked about 2 per game.Its easier when they played out of the goalsquare While I know Carey mainly played CHF, which therefore means he would kick less goals, it needs to be considered that Ablett only started playing FF in 1993 consistently, when he was otherwise played on the wing or HFF.Nobody doubts Ablett was one of the greats.But I can't recall seein g him go to CHB, or midfield or anywhere and rip a game to threads in 7 minutes of sustained dominance like Carey did regularly. As well as this, Carey has never won a Brownlow medal, while the likes of Lockett, Harvey, Hird, Voss, Buckley and Ricciuto all have.Neither did Barassi Baldock or Whitten So why is it he is considered the greatest of all time. All these players could turn a match, all were brilliantly skilled and all were hard at it.
But not Carey.
The Fev
31 Aug 2006, 18:00
Robert Harvey is a mile ahead of that 4
I admire him as much as the next bloke, but i would never say that.... I do think he deserves a mention with champions
1- Tony Liberatore (no just kidding, but pointing out there isn't enough choices)
I thought he played for Collingwood?
He wore a Collingwood jumper whilst lifting up the cup in 1966, but i assure he played for StKilda.
Neither did Barassi Baldock or Whitten
So ripitup believes Woewodin is better than Carey? - Understandable he won a brownlow :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o
In all seriousness the umpires hated his arrogance and refused to give him votes.
Roosurgence
31 Aug 2006, 19:24
Robert Harvey is a mile ahead of that 4
Got to admire those Aint's supporters!
Next they will be telling us Grant Thomas can coach? :D
rick James
31 Aug 2006, 19:42
He wore a Collingwood jumper whilst lifting up the cup in 1966, but i assure he played for StKilda.
You're lying. I don't even think there was a St Kilda premiership, there's no evidence of it.
ripitup27
31 Aug 2006, 21:19
So ripitup believes Woewodin is better than Carey? - Understandable he won a brownlow :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o
In all seriousness the umpires hated his arrogance and refused to give him votes.
Did I say that? Did I actually say "Woewodin is better than Carey"? Did I even suggest that? No, I didn't. Ablett never won a brownlow or even a best and fairest and I consider him the greatest player to play the game. I was just pointing out that Carey lacks a hell of lot individual honours when compared to other greats in the past 15 years.
Mark 73, I never siad Carey was not hard at it, and could not change a match, I actually said that all these players showed these qualities, why is it that these qualities are referred to when describing Carey as the best when most greats of the game could do it.
As for Ablett not going to CHB and changing a game, who cares? He changed games on the wing, half forward and full forward. I'm sure he could have done it in the backline too, but Geelong quite simply never needed him there like the Kangaroos needed Carey sometimes. Therefore, your point about him "having the luxury of playing out of the goalsquare" is, for the majority of his career, incorrect.
I still want to know what sets Carey apart from other great players of the modern era. You tell me he could swing a game by moving between CHF and CHB and even the midfield. Players like Jonathan Brown, Cameron Mooney, Chris Grant, Mark Riciuto and even Robert Murphy do this too. I just want to know what sets Carey apart from the rest.
JerryWexler
31 Aug 2006, 21:48
I don't even think there was a St Kilda premiership, there's no evidence of it.Its believable, thats what I like about it. ;)
Cicatriz
1 Sep 2006, 00:38
Nobody doubts Ablett was one of the greats.But I can't recall seein g him go to CHB, or midfield or anywhere and rip a game to threads in 7 minutes of sustained dominance like Carey did regularly.
You obviously can't recall pre-1993 Ablett then.
Ablett played many games on the ball and dominated. A good example was a game against the Eagles in Perth, on a 30+ degree day where he had 35 odd touches and kicked 5.
Another obvious example of his skills was kicking 5 in the first quarter against Richmond from the half back flank and going on to kick 14 for the day.
These feats were behind any other player to have played the game.
Best. Ever. Easily.
Roosurgence
1 Sep 2006, 00:42
Is getting rid of Abblett the biggest **** up of all time?
Maybe not - just standard practice for a buch of Dawks!
Is getting rid of Abblett the biggest **** up of all time?
Maybe not - just standard practice for a buch of Dawks!
No that would be trading for jon hay.
We won 5 flags without ablett. More than your team has managed in 80 years.
No that would be trading for jon hay.
Hmmm, thats right, for two first rounders wasn't it?
Hmmm, thats right, for two first rounders wasn't it?
Pick 18 and a bottle of prozac i heard.
I'm just wondering, and not because I am a Cats supporter and an Ablett fan, why is it that Carey is considered the greatest player of all time in many peoples eyes? Not having a dig at him I used to hate it when he was in a side against Geelong, but personally I think the other three players here were better. Lockett, Ablett and Dunstall all kicked over 1000 goals in their careers with all three averaging over 4 goals per game, while Carey kicked about 2 per game. While I know Carey mainly played CHF, which therefore means he would kick less goals, it needs to be considered that Ablett only started playing FF in 1993 consistently, when he was otherwise played on the wing or HFF. As well as this, Carey has never won a Brownlow medal, while the likes of Lockett, Harvey, Hird, Voss, Buckley and Ricciuto all have. So why is it he is considered the greatest of all time. All these players could turn a match, all were brilliantly skilled and all were hard at it.
Absolutely.
Lockett and Ablett were better than Carey. Dunstall on a par with Carey.
He was a great player, no question, but best ever is ridiculous in my opinion.
bringbackschwarter5
1 Sep 2006, 19:49
Capper *****s all over those four
Absolutely.
Lockett and Ablett were better than Carey. Dunstall on a par with Carey.
He was a great player, no question, but best ever is ridiculous in my opinion.
Thats why Sydney n00bs get laughed at.
Lunchlady Doris
10 Sep 2006, 09:38
Carey, Hird, Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett
in that order
Yes, you are delirious
Lunchlady Doris
10 Sep 2006, 09:46
Because he was.Carey easily.Its easier when they played out of the goalsquareNobody doubts Ablett was one of the greats.But I can't recall seein g him go to CHB, or midfield or anywhere and rip a game to threads in 7 minutes of sustained dominance like Carey did regularly. Neither did Barassi Baldock or Whitten
But not Carey.
In that case maybe you are too young? Or just have a poor memory? Get your hands on the Ch 7 Ablett highlight reel from 84 - 91ish, and you will see him getting his own hard ball in the backline, steaming down the wing and delivering with precision, as well as kicking goals from 50 out on the boundary with his left.