View Full Version : Sam Mitchell or Daniel Harris?
philhawk
29 Aug 2006, 10:49
Let's end the debate once and for all.
Mitchell by the length of Flemington for mine.
WeneedyoungJarmans
29 Aug 2006, 11:10
who's Daniel Harris?
Could any possibly pick Harris above Mitchell?
Perhaps Flag Man or Lidge....?
dipper86
29 Aug 2006, 11:34
Could any possibly pick Harris above Mitchell?
Perhaps Flag Man or Lidge....?
You also forgot Tas ! sad really.
cschreuder61
29 Aug 2006, 11:52
But they shouldn't really be in a poll though. Mitchell is miles ahead and looks like captaining Hawthorn next year. Harris is improving and handy around the clearances, but Mitchell is in a superior class IMO.
Herbs hawks
29 Aug 2006, 13:27
Daniel HaHaHaHaHarris :o ,
Sam Mitchell, bye a massive massive margin. :D :thumbsu:
Babe Ruth
29 Aug 2006, 14:19
The vote is unanimous now get this **** off
vinnie_vegas69
29 Aug 2006, 14:51
Can I vote 4 times for Sam Mitchell?
He's at least that many times better.
The vote is unanimous now get this **** off
You've obviously never seen any of the threads where North supporters claimed Harris to be better than Mitchell.
You've obviously never seen any of the threads where North supporters claimed Harris to be better than Mitchell.
So therefore Harris = Dud?
:)
philhawk
29 Aug 2006, 16:00
So therefore Harris = Dud?
:)
Where did anyone say that? ...
Babe Ruth
29 Aug 2006, 16:13
Where did anyone say that? ...
Harris = Battler
Mitchell = Good Player
philhawk
29 Aug 2006, 16:14
Harris = Battler
Mitchell = Good Player
Not true. This thread wasn't made to deride Harris - in fact I think he is a very good player - but I believe Mitchell is in the Top 20 players in the competition.
Where did anyone say that? ...
Posts 2, 6 and 8 would go close. And that's how BigFooty works anyway.
if someone was to post that "Chris Judd is miles ahead of Jude Bolton" does that mean they are saying bolton is a dud?
I don't think so.
Mitchell? Is he that guy everyone seems to want to punch in the balls? Not a dud, but in no way better than Harris.Part of the tanking actually.There couldn't have been any other reason why he didn't have the guy who bitchslaps him everytime shading him.Spud must've been wondering himself.
philhawk
29 Aug 2006, 16:42
Mitchell? Is he that guy everyone seems to want to punch in the balls? Not a dud, but in no way better than Harris.Part of the tanking actually.There couldn't have been any other reason why he didn't have the guy who bitchslaps him everytime shading him.Spud must've been wondering himself.
Sweet ****, you're accusing others of tanking after your fine performance last weekend?
So we've had 5 North supporters vote so far.
Hard Ball Get
29 Aug 2006, 16:54
Mitchell by so far its not even funny.
Harris is not even in the same world as Mitchell.
Mitchell is in the top 50 in the comp. Harris no where near it.
94_Eagles
29 Aug 2006, 17:03
Harris is getting unfairly bagged in this thread, he's a great little in and under player and one of my favourites to watch.
Having said that you'd have to vote Mitchell.
JerryWexler
29 Aug 2006, 17:18
Harris for me, had the better of Benny for most of our game against them.Mitchell is just a slightly more talented, less physical version of Philip Read.When the Roos get their midfield sorted for the future, Harris (damage wise) will leave Mitchell for dead.
Lock it in.
Roosurgence
29 Aug 2006, 17:20
I can't believe it! Its the first time that I actually agree with the Dawks.
Daniel Harris is a good player, but Mitchell has the edge on him.
The Zebra
29 Aug 2006, 17:30
Harris for me, had the better of Benny for most of our game against them.Mitchell is just a slightly more talented, less physical version of Philip Read.When the Roos get their midfield sorted for the future, Harris (damage wise) will leave Mitchell for dead.
Lock it in.
mmmmmm, despite averaging 7.4 less possessions (26.6 to 19.2), Harris averages more contested possession (4.2 to 2.8) more 1%ers (5.2 to 4.5) and more tackles (6.0 to 5.0).
Fatarse Mitchell is ahead ATM, but he just throws it onto his boot to often for mine and as Jerry Wexler said Harris will end up the more damaging player.
Plus Harris looks like a much, much better bloke.
Sammy has a head you'd like to kick (and really small, sensitive nuts apparently)
Poor comparison. Harris is ok, not fair for him to be compared against the extracter!
It's like those Buckley vs Hird debates. makes Buckley look like an a$$, but he's still a good player!
Fatarse Mitchell is ahead ATM, but he just throws it onto his boot to often for mine....
As opposed to Daniel 'the floater' Harris?
Good to have you here though Zebra, your mumblings are sure to bring a few laughs. :thumbsu:
goDees22
29 Aug 2006, 18:15
Harris is probably the most underrated player in the league
DynamoUltra
29 Aug 2006, 18:18
mmmmmm, despite averaging 7.4 less possessions (26.6 to 19.2), Harris averages more contested possession (4.2 to 2.8) more 1%ers (5.2 to 4.5) and more tackles (6.0 to 5.0).
Fatarse Mitchell is ahead ATM, but he just throws it onto his boot to often for mine and as Jerry Wexler said Harris will end up the more damaging player.
Plus Harris looks like a much, much better bloke.
Sammy has a head you'd like to kick (and really small, sensitive nuts apparently)
Contested possessions are overrated. All it shows is that someone can't successfully avoid a tackle or clear through traffice to dispose of the ball uncontestedly. Look at Mitchell, he often picks the ball up from a contested situation but through his evasiveness is able to break free and dispose of the ball in an uncontested situation, meaning it is an uncontested disposal.
Contested possessions are overrated.
The BF ratings may be in favour of Mitchell, but that comment is truly either sad, or almost an admission.
The Zebra
29 Aug 2006, 18:33
Contested possessions are overrated. All it shows is that someone can't successfully avoid a tackle or clear through traffice to dispose of the ball uncontestedly. Look at Mitchell, he often picks the ball up from a contested situation but through his evasiveness is able to break free and dispose of the ball in an uncontested situation, meaning it is an uncontested disposal.
It is not contested disposal, it is contested possession. Meaning the ball is in a contested situation and you go get it. If, as you said Mitchell picked up the ball from a contested situation and then broke free, it would be counted as a contested possession.
Judd, Harris and Kerr are the top three in the league for average contested possesion.
In that order.
The BF ratings may be in favour of Mitchell, but that comment is truly either sad, or almost an admission.
No, it's true.
These days players are evasive enough to avoid getting into contested disposal situations...hence the better disposal efficiency and the declining level of contested disposal.
While Mitchell is relativelty slow - he is getting better, his evasive skills are first class ditto Hodge - that's why these two getting very little contested ball.
The Zebra
29 Aug 2006, 18:39
No, it's true.
These days players are evasive enough to avoid getting into contested disposal situations...hence the better disposal efficiency and the declining level of contested disposal.
While Mitchell is relativelty slow - he is getting better, his evasive skills are first class ditto Hodge - that's why these two getting very little contested ball.
And Judd?
Does he need to improve his evasiveness too?
Get it up to the level of Mitchell and Hodge so he can drop his contested possession numbers?
Howard Littlejohn
29 Aug 2006, 18:49
I always thought contested possessions were winning the ball in a contested situation, and had nothing to do with you disposed of it - other than the disposal being legal.
I'd say Mitchell is probably ahead, but not by as much as many think. For in and under type work - particularly at ball ups - I'd take Harris, for the other stuff around the ground Mitchell.
TheBacko
29 Aug 2006, 19:15
people are pumping mitchell up too much. he isnt that good a player.
better then harris tho.
philhawk
29 Aug 2006, 19:26
mmmmmm, despite averaging 7.4 less possessions (26.6 to 19.2), Harris averages more contested possession (4.2 to 2.8) more 1%ers (5.2 to 4.5) and more tackles (6.0 to 5.0).
Fatarse Mitchell is ahead ATM, but he just throws it onto his boot to often for mine and as Jerry Wexler said Harris will end up the more damaging player.
Plus Harris looks like a much, much better bloke.
Sammy has a head you'd like to kick (and really small, sensitive nuts apparently)
1) You can't have a reasonable discussion about two players without calling one 'Fatarse'?
2) You've never met Mitchell, but you're willing to judge Harris as the better bloke? (Sorry, what does that have to do as to who is the better player)
Keep up the good work Zebra, as Galon said, you always provide humour wherever you go. :thumbsu:
windyhill
29 Aug 2006, 20:37
Hard to split, would love either.
Lukazzz777
29 Aug 2006, 20:59
Do you know what I don't understand?
How ANYONE can say Harris.
Harris is a great player but Mitchell is a champion.
Everyone bar 3 who voted Harris are North supporters which is moronic. If someone asked me who's better Chance Bateman or Shannon Grant I would say Grant.
North supporters cling to the finest of threads these days. Gotta love their loyalty though.
Lukazzz777
29 Aug 2006, 21:00
Hard to split, would love either.
You voted for Harris, so you should get a job at Essendon recruiting, or the old Freo Dockers.
Your an idiot or a troll.
It's like saying Damian Peverill is better than Ben Cousins.
dipper86
29 Aug 2006, 21:06
Argh you North supporters crack me up!!!! Blinded by your own stupidity!!!
windyhill
29 Aug 2006, 21:09
You voted for Harris, so you should get a job at Essendon recruiting, or the old Freo Dockers.
Your an idiot or a troll.
It's like saying Damian Peverill is better than Ben Cousins.
Lukey, I voted for Harris because I knew he`d get smashed in the poll. I stand by what I said, I`d love either.
Lukazzz777
29 Aug 2006, 21:11
Lukey, I voted for Harris because I knew he`d get smashed in the poll. I stand by what I said, I`d love either.
lol... But if you could only pick ONE you would pick Harris?
windyhill
29 Aug 2006, 21:12
lol... But if you could only pick ONE you would pick Harris?
heheheh, too hard to split son.
delirious1
29 Aug 2006, 21:13
so we have 17 blind kangaroo supporters/hawthorn haters
Hard Ball Get
29 Aug 2006, 21:13
Id take Mitchel quicker than you can click your fingers.
philhawk
29 Aug 2006, 21:18
FFS guys, leave people to their own opinions and don't deride them for doing so.
Roosurgence
29 Aug 2006, 21:20
Do you know what I don't understand?
How ANYONE can say Harris.
Harris is a great player but Mitchell is a champion.
Everyone bar 3 who voted Harris are North supporters which is moronic. If someone asked me who's better Chance Bateman or Shannon Grant I would say Grant.
North supporters cling to the finest of threads these days. Gotta love their loyalty though.
I didn't vote but I do think Mitchell is the better of the two! The only time I have agreed with any the Dawks have actually brought up!
But I do love having Harris in our side he is a very talented player!
The Zebra
29 Aug 2006, 21:40
1) You can't have a reasonable discussion about two players without calling one 'Fatarse'?
:
It is a term of affection, like:
Big Bad Bustling Barry Hall or
Lethal Leigh Matthews.
Fatarse Sammy Mitchell
Rolls off the tounge.
philhawk
29 Aug 2006, 21:46
It is a term of affection, like:
Big Bad Bustling Barry Hall or
Lethal Leigh Matthews.
Fatarse Sammy Mitchell
Rolls off the tounge.
Fair enough
dipper86
29 Aug 2006, 22:08
Harris, bwahahaha.
dipper86
29 Aug 2006, 22:10
edit.
Funny Poll. Sam Mitchell by far.
TipTruck
30 Aug 2006, 18:28
but I believe Mitchell is in the Top 20 players in the competition.
Mitchell is not in the top 20 in the league.
He is not even in the top 10 midfielders.
philhawk
30 Aug 2006, 18:31
Mitchell is not in the top 20 in the league.
He is not even in the top 10 midfielders.
Top 10 in Brownlow this year.
Bookmark it.
TipTruck
30 Aug 2006, 18:38
Top 10 in Brownlow this year.
Bookmark it.
Don't think so but either way it still doesn't make him a top 20 player.
philhawk
30 Aug 2006, 20:10
Don't think so but either way it still doesn't make him a top 20 player.
What rubbish. Name one player from the Top 10 last year who isn't in the Top 20 players in the league.
buddy23
30 Aug 2006, 20:18
Who the **** is Harris?
"Clearance King" Mitchell ****s all over the entire North side, cut them up last week in their pathetic display.
DynamoUltra
30 Aug 2006, 20:36
And Judd?
Does he need to improve his evasiveness too?
Get it up to the level of Mitchell and Hodge so he can drop his contested possession numbers?
You'll find that players like Judd draw players to tackle, and as they are being tackled release a handball to advantage. If that is not the case, Judd uses his pace to burn away from a pack after receiving a handball from Kerr or Cousins. That's why these three work so well together as they are stars at both bursting away from packs and also moving the ball to a runner.
half time raffle
10 Sep 2006, 18:45
Mitchell is as good now as he will ever be. He is a great clearance player, but that's it, he wont get any quicker and will never be a devastatingly damaging midfielder in the mould of Judd or Cousins. For that reason you would have to think that Harris is going to be a better player - he is also a great clearnace player, he has pace and is well balanced in marking contests. Harris in the next few years will go on to be a very damaging midfielder and in my opinion one of the best in the league.
Benno_900
10 Sep 2006, 21:10
What is this thread trying to achieve?
Mitchell is obviously better but not by as much as you hawk supporters make it out to be. :rolleyes:
Bulldog1954
11 Sep 2006, 00:56
Mitchell easily
buddy23
13 Oct 2008, 11:09
Anyone still to vote?
Haha.
Johnny_Segment
14 Oct 2008, 10:29
Top 10 in Brownlow this year.
Bookmark it.
Equal 10th in 2006 PH, nice prediction. Followed it up nicely the next year finishing 3rd, 1 vote off 2nd.
go_sainters93
5 Nov 2008, 21:54
for all you blokes baggin out harro how about you pull the boots on and go have a one on one with him see how long ya last.......... he might not be the most talented player but he's dam good id rather an in and under player like him than a sheepdog like mitchell.
hawks_time
6 Nov 2008, 06:51
By that logic 90% of people wouldn't be allowed to criticize any players.
Mario the Lothario
6 Nov 2008, 07:09
It's too early to tell.
There was very little between the pair at the end of 2007 before Harris's performance tapered off in 2008. If Harris were to have a blinder in 2009 he would go straight past Mitchell. Daniel is certainly the more effective player when TOG is factored in. The question is, can Daniel get on the park for longer periods of time?
It's too early to tell.
There was very little between the pair at the end of 2007 before Harris's performance tapered off in 2008. If Harris were to have a blinder in 2009 he would go straight past Mitchell. Daniel is certainly the more effective player when TOG is factored in. The question is, can Daniel get on the park for longer periods of time?
Lol.. how long do you want to wait?
I'd wager Harris hasn't gotten any votes in this thread for about two years? :o
MinerBoy
6 Nov 2008, 14:24
It's too early to tell.
Point 1. There was very little between the pair at the end of 2007 before Harris's performance tapered off in 2008. Point 2. If Harris were to have a blinder in 2009 he would go straight past Mitchell. Point 3. Daniel is certainly the more effective player when TOG is factored in. The question is, can Daniel get on the park for longer periods of time?
Rubbish on every point.
Hard Ball Get
6 Nov 2008, 15:14
Rubbish on every point.
I agree.
In terms of comparison, Harris is a spud.
I'm willing to bet if Mitchell was on the marked he would at least create some interest.
TheRedPill
7 Nov 2008, 03:03
for all you blokes baggin out harro how about you pull the boots on and go have a one on one with him see how long ya last.......... he might not be the most talented player but he's dam good id rather an in and under player like him than a sheepdog like mitchell.
Nope yep, if I can't beat a player then I can't discuss his weaknesses as a footballer. :thumbsu:
boozeDragon
7 Nov 2008, 16:55
It's too early to tell.
There was very little between the pair at the end of 2007 before Harris's performance tapered off in 2008. If Harris were to have a blinder in 2009 he would go straight past Mitchell. Daniel is certainly the more effective player when TOG is factored in. The question is, can Daniel get on the park for longer periods of time?
You my friend are a complete idiot.
happyhawkeye
7 Nov 2008, 21:17
Mitchell by a long way. He is a Premiership Captain and a role model for the club and at this point in time I believe a much more accomplished footballer.
philhawk
7 Nov 2008, 22:00
hey mate dont come on here bein a terry tough nut buddy. i totally agree with wat hes just said i consider harro to be the hardest workin under rated player in the roo line up he might not have the same smooth moves as some of the show ponys in the league but wat he does well week in week out is the job at hand he's givin a role and he does that to the best of he's ability now im not sayin he tears it up every week and kills it because to be honest thats far from the truth but for the short amount of time he has on the ground from every one else he still does a lot and makes a big impact now i dont know how he didnt get the 3 brownlow votes against the hawks the second time they met this year but all i know is he killed that game he shat all over the hawks did he even poll 1 vote in that game? piss poor effort by the umpys if he didnt any way even tho this is prob the worst year hes had at the club he was still up there in leading handballs over all desposals and tackles and is ranked highly in the league for hard ball gets he also done well in the club b&f considerin hes lack of form this year
Now say it all in one breath.
Anyone want to guess how many north fans have voted in this poll?
I will give you a clue it's somewhere between 35 & 37.
Mario the Lothario
8 Nov 2008, 09:26
I ended up voting for Harris. As his terrible grand final effort confirmed, Mitchell is slowing down. His fat arse is only going to get bigger and I can see Daniel streaking past him in the coming years.
Johnny_Segment
8 Nov 2008, 09:45
I ended up voting for Harris. As his terrible grand final effort confirmed, Mitchell is slowing down. His fat arse is only going to get bigger and I can see Daniel streaking past him in the coming years.
Ahh yes slowing down. Sure I guess you could say that after one average game, or you could pull your head out of you arse and look at his stats for the 8 games that came immediately before the GF. He had 33, 35, 29, 28, 34, 28, 30 & 33. But hey, 1 average game where he played on the premier tagger in the comp as well as captaining his side to a Grand Final victory is enough to condemn the man to mediocrity.
I ended up voting for Harris. As his terrible grand final effort confirmed, Mitchell is slowing down. His fat arse is only going to get bigger and I can see Daniel streaking past him in the coming years.I see Daniel Harris playing for the gold coast team in 2 years time. Obviously doesn't want to be at north.
Johnny_Segment
8 Nov 2008, 10:06
mate pull your c#ck out of he's arse
Judging by your lack of grammar and correct spelling i'm guessing your either 12 years old or semi illiterate. So you match the 36 other people who have voted for Harris.
he'll captain the gold coast team mate:)Captain them to the wooden spoon. Mitchell will still be holding up the cup.
Johnny_Segment
8 Nov 2008, 10:27
hey mate dont come on here bein a terry tough nut buddy. i totally agree with wat hes just said i consider harro to be the hardest workin under rated player in the roo line up he might not have the same smooth moves as some of the show ponys in the league but wat he does well week in week out is the job at hand he's givin a role and he does that to the best of he's ability now im not sayin he tears it up every week and kills it because to be honest thats far from the truth but for the short amount of time he has on the ground from every one else he still does a lot and makes a big impact now i dont know how he didnt get the 3 brownlow votes against the hawks the second time they met this year but all i know is he killed that game he shat all over the hawks did he even poll 1 vote in that game? piss poor effort by the umpys if he didnt any way even tho this is prob the worst year hes had at the club he was still up there in leading handballs over all desposals and tackles and is ranked highly in the league for hard ball gets he also done well in the club b&f considerin hes lack of form this year
p!ss off mate just f*#k right off
mate pull your c#ck out of he's arse
do you wanna correct my spelling sir coz i dont see no mistakes f#*k head
To begin with you have written 268 words so far using 1 solitary full stop. It's that little dot thing you learn to use in your first years at school. Ignoring all your "SMS" style talking and putrid spelling mistakes, your major problems seem to be with syntax and sentence structure. "I don't see no mistakes"? You do realise what you're saying here don't you? Also, grab a dictionary and look up the difference between He's and His.
Bandwagon Jumping Hawk
8 Nov 2008, 11:24
Mitchell easily.
Premiership captain and b&f runner up in premiership year. Also won a b&f in 2006.
Also won rising star award and liston trophy.
Mitchell easily.
Premiership captain and b&f runner up in premiership year. Also won a b&f in 2006.
Also won rising star award and liston trophy.I hear Daniel Harris won a chook raffle once.
lion4life
8 Nov 2008, 14:00
Sam mitchell is miles ahead of Daniel Harris.
madhawkboy
8 Nov 2008, 19:57
Daniel who?