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Bojangles17
29 Aug 2006, 16:25
Gotta tell you fanatics I had the priveldge of meeting Boofa Maxfield as I waited alongside him for my baggage at syd airport. He first thought I was a swans supporter after enquiring bout footy then said he bumped into alot of tiger fans. Told him we were only just reminising on the weekend over his part in that drawn game v the Bummers in '95 and he remembered it like it was yesterday when he recounted Ryan O'connor kicked the goal to level the scores
Is a recruiting guy for swannies now and told of their interest in Matt white and that they were hoping to pick him up...He's impressed by tiges progress and believes we have a great group of youngsters
I must say , was a good fella and I tell ya I wish he had of stayed at punt rd , I used to love watching him play with those left foot bombs....was thinking afterwards clubs rarely lose players like that anymore, was a damn draft concession to swans at the time that cost us, Oh well spose we got Gas:eek:
DyerBolical
29 Aug 2006, 17:16
Is a recruiting guy for swannies now and told of their interest in Matt white and that they were hoping to pick him up...Anything more specific than this?
Bojangles17
29 Aug 2006, 17:33
Anything more specific than this?
no not really , thought it was interesting he actually mentioned him, clearly they were planning to swoop on him in pre season draft, i recall that miller mentioned collingwood had earmarked him.to...I think he'll prove to be a bargain given he was a pre season pick
cairo tiger
29 Aug 2006, 18:09
do not get me started about boofa, this has been done in a thread before, he should have gone onto play 200 games plus for us
Goldust
29 Aug 2006, 20:42
:) REFRESH my memory here. What did we actually get for Maxfield in terms of players or draft picks? Can't for the life of me remember.
Hopefully it was something a little more than the deal that sent Gary Frangalas to Tigerland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
Truetiger
29 Aug 2006, 21:38
Tell the swans and any other club out there. The likes of white,polo,raines etc are untouchable.
Crumden
29 Aug 2006, 21:42
:) REFRESH my memory here. What did we actually get for Maxfield in terms of players or draft picks? Can't for the life of me remember.
Hopefully it was something a little more than the deal that sent Gary Frangalas to Tigerland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)I think we got a compensation pick, which we used on Gaspar who walked out on the Swans. Gaspar put a price on his head, Melbourne with first pick didn't want to pay and we did. I think we offered him a front-loaded contract to sign on.
Rancid_Beasties
29 Aug 2006, 22:13
I would've rather have kept Maxfield. He would've been cheaper, and we could have developed a decent full back that was 3 or 4 years younger than gas. Could've really used him in 2001, we were probably one good midfielder short of the premiership. We also wouldnt be in the situation we are now, we'd have a 27 year old full back as opposed to a 30 year old, who would be more of a team player than gaspar having been developed at the club.
Boofa = Respekt
Really felt for him missing the flag last year . He deserved it
Bojangles17
30 Aug 2006, 10:09
I would've rather have kept Maxfield. He would've been cheaper, and we could have developed a decent full back that was 3 or 4 years younger than gas. Could've really used him in 2001, we were probably one good midfielder short of the premiership. We also wouldnt be in the situation we are now, we'd have a 27 year old full back as opposed to a 30 year old, who would be more of a team player than gaspar having been developed at the club.
unfortunately we were victims of a bullshi% period in AFL history where concessions were granted to the developing states in QLD and NSW which ultimately was ALWAYS to the detriment of the struggling Vic clubs..as I said earlier doesnt happen now, no consolation that we missed out on the best part of a bloody good players career
Goldust
30 Aug 2006, 12:29
I would've rather have kept Maxfield. He would've been cheaper, and we could have developed a decent full back that was 3 or 4 years younger than gas. Could've really used him in 2001, we were probably one good midfielder short of the premiership. We also wouldnt be in the situation we are now, we'd have a 27 year old full back as opposed to a 30 year old, who would be more of a team player than gaspar having been developed at the club.
:) AGREE...but just think, ALL our lives would have been worse of. Doubt we would have spent quite as much time on forums such as these debating the merits of Maxfield and why he should be dumped than we have done with Gaspar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
Darth_Tiger
30 Aug 2006, 12:41
at least gaspar went on to have a career. think of how dirty we would all be if gaspar had ended up playing a season or two and being cut.
I think we got a compensation pick, which we used on Gaspar who walked out on the Swans. Gaspar put a price on his head, Melbourne with first pick didn't want to pay and we did. I think we offered him a front-loaded contract to sign on.
Maxfield walked out on us. He was out of contract. Swans had the right to sign two out of contract players. They targetted Maxfield and Naish until we showed them the rule book and reminded them they could only sign one player from each club.
We had pick 3 in the PSD and Gaspar was out of contract so we targetted him. As Crumden say we played a little game which meant that Melbourne (and a broke Fitzroy) had to pass on him.
We didn't really get Gaspar for Maxfield in any technical sense, but it is effectively how it worked out. Technically we got no compensation for Maxfield.
cairo tiger
30 Aug 2006, 13:07
weaver point of order here. maxfield went to the club and said match the swans offer. he wanted to stay put. the admin there told him to go jump (idiot regime) and he did. the rest is histroy
weaver point of order here. maxfield went to the club and said match the swans offer. he wanted to stay put. the admin there told him to go jump (idiot regime) and he did. the rest is histroyspot on Cairo
thats i bit naughty Weaver ... swans offered him nearly double what we were prepared or wanted to so we showed him the door in effect . similar to Ottens in some ways
spot on Cairo
thats i bit naughty Weaver ... swans offered him nearly double what we were prepared or wanted to so we showed him the door in effect . similar to Ottens in some ways
Maxfield accepted the double-your-money pay offer, then walked out on us and we got nothing. Better?:)
Bojangles17
30 Aug 2006, 14:04
spot on Cairo
thats i bit naughty Weaver ... swans offered him nearly double what we were prepared or wanted to so we showed him the door in effect . similar to Ottens in some ways
and also negelcts to pint out that it was a concession granted to syd only..No other club could sign an uncontracted player, they would have to put a price on their head and throw themselves to the mercy of pre season draft...it was the governing inequitable rules of the time that cost us
and also negelcts to pint out that it was a concession granted to syd only..No other club could sign an uncontracted player, they would have to put a price on their head and throw themselves to the mercy of pre season draft...it was the governing inequitable rules of the time that cost us
Huh?
Swans had the right to sign two out of contract players
cairo tiger
30 Aug 2006, 18:20
you use the term walked...well he walked into the club and walked into the doors of the admin and told them the situation, he wanted to be a tiger, Ok so he used his bargaining power but he was a sensational player for us...we choose not to match his offer so he walked...it was not like he did not come to us and told us of the deal....the rest if history...fken admin at the time had not idea and no real idea about recruiting anyway
Bojangles17
30 Aug 2006, 21:34
you use the term walked...well he walked into the club and walked into the doors of the admin and told them the situation, he wanted to be a tiger, Ok so he used his bargaining power but he was a sensational player for us...we choose not to match his offer so he walked...it was not like he did not come to us and told us of the deal....the rest if history...fken admin at the time had not idea and no real idea about recruiting anyway
too true Cairo, history tells us it wasn't the only fu#@! up on the fall of season '95
Brad-clare
31 Aug 2006, 00:52
Yeah I was disappointed he left to the Swans, the club never wanted to pay him the $200,000 (what the paper says) a year the swans offered, couldn't afford at the time to lose young talent.
I like many others was real annoyed with the concessions that the Swans and Bears got, Richmond got nothing in return but lost a player they had developed.
Brad-clare
31 Aug 2006, 00:53
too true Cairo, history tells us it wasn't the only fu#@! up on the fall of season '95
What other mistakes were made?
Ive always wondered how we could be so good in 95 and go to sh%$ in the following seasons.
Maxfield accepted the double-your-money pay offer, then walked out on us and we got nothing. Better?:)Come on Weaver , your letting emotions get in the way of logic here .LMAOO
Sydney offers him somewhere in the vicinity of 150 k a year and we think he is only worth 80 ... what do you expect him to do ... sit there and say " Oh well , i`ll take the 80 coz i love the RFC that much" . Put further in context when you consider all the other buffoons we signed up on lucrative long term contracts on the back of twelve months worth of footy during that period . We did not consider Boofa ... future captain of Sydney and almost premiership captain , worthy of such regard
I know who made the right decision and who made a gross error in judgement
What other mistakes were made?
Ive always wondered how we could be so good in 95 and go to sh%$ in the following seasons.Mal Brown board
Should answer most of your questions
CharlieG
31 Aug 2006, 02:14
Yeah I was disappointed he left to the Swans, the club never wanted to pay him the $200,000 (what the paper says) a year the swans offered, couldn't afford at the time to lose young talent.
I like many others was real annoyed with the concessions that the Swans and Bears got, Richmond got nothing in return but lost a player they had developed.
You got Gaspar who cost us a #1 pick. For nothing. Other clubs got Rocca, Grant, Heuskes and a dozen others. On top of that, Melbourne clubs poached all our senior talent from the late eighties as well.
The early nineties wasn't a one-way street, mate.
Come on Weaver , your letting emotions get in the way of logic here .LMAOO
You're reading too much into the word 'walked'.
I know who made the right decision and who made a gross error in judgement
Personally I didn't mind the decision at all. Maxfield was not nearly as good for us as people would like to pretend he was. He was completely one-way, great with the footy in his hands but no interest whatsoever in his opponent.
Worth remembering that going into 1996 season we had just added Joel Bowden and Damien Ryan via the draft. Had Wayne Campbell, Nathan Bower, Michael Gale and Jason Torney so we were pretty well covered for wing types (by our standards of the time). Naish, Daffy, Powell up forward. Mereda, Free, Knights, Bond in the middle. Prescott, Kellaway, Rogers down back. Had just played finals with those midfielders.
On the other hand out key defenders were Paul Bulluss, John Howat, David Bourke and Scott Turner. No suprise that we did something to get someone in alongside Turner.
You're reading too much into the word 'walked'.
Personally I didn't mind the decision at all. Maxfield was not nearly as good for us as people would like to pretend he was. He was completely one-way, great with the footy in his hands but no interest whatsoever in his opponent.
Worth remembering that going into 1996 season we had just added Joel Bowden and Damien Ryan via the draft. Had Wayne Campbell, Nathan Bower, Michael Gale and Jason Torney so we were pretty well covered for wing types (by our standards of the time). Naish, Daffy, Powell up forward. Mereda, Free, Knights, Bond in the middle. Prescott, Kellaway, Rogers down back. Had just played finals with those midfielders.
On the other hand out key defenders were Paul Bulluss, John Howat, David Bourke and Scott Turner. No suprise that we did something to get someone in alongside Turner.Fair enough ... but aint hindsight a magical thing :p
Bojangles17
31 Aug 2006, 11:09
On the other hand out key defenders were Paul Bulluss, John Howat, David Bourke and Scott Turner. No suprise that we did something to get someone in alongside Turner.
While I feel your underselling the value in boofa's ability, I will concede that Gas was bloody good for us and was instrumental in our performance in 2001...but it wasnt exactly a trade..it just happened that way ..out went Boof, In came Gas..
Goldust
31 Aug 2006, 11:13
You're reading too much into the word 'walked'.
Personally I didn't mind the decision at all. Maxfield was not nearly as good for us as people would like to pretend he was. He was completely one-way, great with the footy in his hands but no interest whatsoever in his opponent.
Worth remembering that going into 1996 season we had just added Joel Bowden and Damien Ryan via the draft. Had Wayne Campbell, Nathan Bower, Michael Gale and Jason Torney so we were pretty well covered for wing types (by our standards of the time). Naish, Daffy, Powell up forward. Mereda, Free, Knights, Bond in the middle. Prescott, Kellaway, Rogers down back. Had just played finals with those midfielders.
On the other hand out key defenders were Paul Bulluss, John Howat, David Bourke and Scott Turner. No suprise that we did something to get someone in alongside Turner.
:) AGREE entirely. Was surplus to our needs at the time. We were well off for midfielders - Knights, Bondy, Campbell, Free, Merenda, Rogers when required and D. Kellaway in a negating role. IDGAF is right in saying hindsight is a magical thing, but no evidence to suggest he would have surpassed the likes of Knights, Bond, Broderick, Campbell etc. And you have to remember that Maxfield landed in Sydney at a pretty good time. The Swans were able to lure the likes of Lockett, Schwass and later Hall and had a pretty damn good side. Would Stuey have made us all that much better, I doubt not! 90% of AFL supporters would probably not remember the Richmond portion of Maxfield's career, which probbaly suggests he wasn't all that intergral to our line-up. Personally, at the time, I would have taken Bond over Maxfield. His departure to Freo was the one that gutted me.:)
IDGAF is right in saying hindsight is a magical thing, but no evidence to suggest he would have surpassed the likes of Knights, Bond, Broderick, Campbell etc.
Football also changed. Back in Northey-coached 95 the ability to play on and beat a man was very important. Fast forward 10 years and not too many midfielders go man-on-man. Someone like Maxfield who could break free and kick well was probably more valuable at the end of his career than at the start.
Conversely football has gotten harder and harder for Gaspar. When he came to us the idea of backmen who couldn't kick or run was commonplace. I mean we had Gaspar, D.Kellaway, Bulluss, Prescott, Rogers.
When they changed the rules to clamp down on defenders who fell on the ball or dragged it in to force ball-ups it made things much tougher for Gaspar and Kellaway. Every year that has gone by has seen Gaspar's type fall inch by inch out of fashion.
Personally, at the time, I would have taken Bond over Maxfield. His departure to Freo was the one that gutted me.:)
Unfortunately we couldn't legislate for Justin Charles getting hurt, then 'suspended'. By the 1997 draft we knew we wouldn't have Charles in 98 and that he might not ever play again. Made the move for Ottens a bit more necessary than otherwise.
While I feel your underselling the value in boofa's ability, I will concede that Gas was bloody good for us and was instrumental in our performance in 2001...but it wasnt exactly a trade..it just happened that way ..out went Boof, In came Gas..
I made that point originally. Probably also true that if we had have contracted Maxfield we wouldn't have had the money for Gaspar. So in some sense it was an either / or decision.
Bojangles17
31 Aug 2006, 11:48
Conversely football has gotten harder and harder for Gaspar. When he came to us the idea of backmen who couldn't kick or run was commonplace. .
It may have been at RFC it certainly wasn't amongst any of the sides that were consistently any good:confused:
Goldust
31 Aug 2006, 12:16
It may have been at RFC it certainly wasn't amongst any of the sides that were consistently any good:confused:
:) AT the end of the day, Gaspar has had a pretty fine career at Tigerland. Sure the kicking skills were never quite there, but compensated by being a good mark and containing some pretty good forwards. Don't think you can overlook some of the wins he has had in battles against the likes of Chris Grant, Carey, Lloyd, Brown etc. Has a couple of All-Australian guernseys to show for that!!!
I guess the thing that drags peoples' opinions of him down is the fact he has always been very well compensated....read over-compensated. But if a club is willing to pay that price, I for one to do not blame the man. He gets what the market at the time says he commands and he has milked the sytem beautifully.
I for one feel he needs to do the Kellaway-type thing and give us one more season at a substantially reduced rate. Richmond has been good to Darren Gaspar, but wouldn't say we haven't got anything in return.:)
It may have been at RFC it certainly wasn't amongst any of the sides that were consistently any good:confused:
I was referring to 1996-7 when he came to us. Back then there were plenty of teams where kicking in the backline didn't mean much. Every year since it became more and more important and Gaspar became more and more exposed.
Big part of the problems at Richmond was that we missed the boat in seeing how football was changing. We were one the last teams with specialist HBFers (Kellway, Prescott, Tape), defenders who couldn't kick etc. At the other end we were one the last with slow, specialist small forwards (Naish, Daffy, Nicholls).
cairo tiger
31 Aug 2006, 12:45
my point exactly, we had noidea in recruiting the admin took us to hell and back
Brad-clare
31 Aug 2006, 21:27
You got Gaspar who cost us a #1 pick. For nothing. Other clubs got Rocca, Grant, Heuskes and a dozen others. On top of that, Melbourne clubs poached all our senior talent from the late eighties as well.
The early nineties wasn't a one-way street, mate.
You sold all your players in the last 80's, Capper being a prime example.
You got Schwass for Grant, Mark orchard and Ben Wilson for Rocca they were genuine trades, yes lost Hueskes to Port for nothing.
It may not have been a one-way street but you guys got more than you lost, a lot better than other interstate teams.
Terry Tan
2 Sep 2006, 09:46
The day Boofa left Punt Rd was sad and totally unexpected. I wonder what made him go, he was Under 19 captain and played some great seasons.
Those were the days after Northey left. Geez that was a big mistake to lose Swooper and get Walls instead. That 1995 was the start of something great which was quicky extinguished by typical Tigers mismanagement. Those mistakes cost us 10 years.