View Full Version : Scott Lucas the AA
bhorjus
29 Aug 2006, 20:24
Does he have a chance to be an AA this year? He has had an outstandng
2nd half of the year and had a consistent 1st half ? Would have to be in line for a spot on one of the half forward flanks. He woud have to go close
Games- 21
Kicks- 294 (1st long Kicks in the league, 20th kicks in the league)
Marks- 175 (5th in the league)
Goals- 59 (5th in the league)
Inside 50's- (9th in the league)
If he doesn't get it who would be ahead of him?
The Dustbin
29 Aug 2006, 21:15
Fevola at FF and Hall at CF. That's what the AA panel is capeable of. Remember Pavlich being selected at FB without playing a game there all year.
I hope he makes it. A deserved selection. :thumbsu:
Darealrath
29 Aug 2006, 21:18
Should make it. Probably won't.
blitzer
29 Aug 2006, 21:59
Definitely a legitimate chance to get AA . I also think perhaps the fact that he has carried essendon's goal kicking in the absence of Lloyd may way positively in the minds of the selectors.
Definitely a legitimate chance to get AA . I also think perhaps the fact that he has carried essendon's goal kicking in the absence of Lloyd may way positively in the minds of the selectors.
You'd hope so, but the selectors also love Fevola, Hall, Brad Johnson, Reiwoldt and Pavlich, surely Didak won't get in will he?
MrAaron
29 Aug 2006, 22:43
ring up SEN and ask Kevin Bartlett. He is on the selection committee
He'll probably get a start on the bench or emergency....otherwise, he'll be fighting it out with Goodes for CHF...Goodes has been incredible ALL year.
You'll probably find the forward 6 would like look this...
Johnson, Fevola, Gehrig
Pavlich, Goodes/Lucas, Thompson
austinthedog
29 Aug 2006, 23:30
i dont think pavlich has done enough this year, b.johnson good shot for forward line, riewoldt had a good year
Lucas' numbers outweigh Pavlich, his only problem is our win total while Freo is on a tear. We had no one last yearand won twice as many games.
Longy413
30 Aug 2006, 11:15
Lucas' numbers outweigh Pavlich, his only problem is our win total while Freo is on a tear. We had no one last yearand won twice as many games.
Hawthorn had three blokes last year didn't they?
And won five games.
Hawthorn had three blokes last year didn't they?
And won five games.
Thats true, but we struggle to get anyone even when we win 13, guess we've always just been a well rounded team
I guess what Im getting at is that half forward line will be incredibly tough to decide on, let alone the entire front 6. I dont recall so many consistent performers for the majority of the season...and that would have to include J. Brown before he couldnt play any longer....not only was he getting the runs on the board...but all-conquering too in his short time this season. Far outweighed Lucas or anyone going around at the minute
Boris_Bewick
30 Aug 2006, 15:48
I guess what Im getting at is that half forward line will be incredibly tough to decide on, let alone the entire front 6. I dont recall so many consistent performers for the majority of the season...and that would have to include J. Brown before he couldnt play any longer....not only was he getting the runs on the board...but all-conquering too in his short time this season. Far outweighed Lucas or anyone going around at the minute
Yeah true but so was Lenny Hayes, both shoe ins for AA but you can't get a jumper if you miss half the season, same reason Marc Murphy won't get the rising star.
As for Scotty, I think he'll struggle to go pass Riewoldt for CHF this year, although I think he's more deserved than Pavlich. But I definitely think he'll grab a spot on the bench, that's where they put players who have been unlucky to miss out on their usual spot.
go_the_bombers
30 Aug 2006, 15:52
Yeah true but so was Lenny Hayes, both shoe ins for AA but you can't get a jumper if you miss half the season, same reason Marc Murphy won't get the rising star.
As for Scotty, I think he'll struggle to go pass Riewoldt for CHF this year, although I think he's more deserved than Pavlich. But I definitely think he'll grab a spot on the bench, that's where they put players who have been unlucky to miss out on their usual spot.
Or they just put them somewhere else in the forward line
Boris_Bewick
30 Aug 2006, 17:14
Or they just put them somewhere else in the forward line
Yeah good point but I think Brad Johnson, Fevola, Hall, Riewoldt, O'Keefe, Pavlich and possibly Farmer will get in there before Scotty. Hall and Pavlich will be the ones who'll be put in places other than their actual positions, both who I think Scotty is a genuine chance of being picked ahead of. I'd say they'll have a couple who do actually play their positions (Farmer, O'Keefe) I don't think Hall should be AA this year and I'm hoping the selectors don't either, so Scotty hopefully should get a run.
To sum up, Scotty at the very least deserves a spot on the bench
i dont think pavlich has done enough this year, b.johnson good shot for forward line, riewoldt had a good year
He has booted 58 goals and is averaging 16 possessions and eight marks a game, and will prove crucial in Fremantle's upcoming tilt at its first-ever premiership.
Pavlich hasnt done enough this year???
judburyjets
31 Aug 2006, 17:11
He has booted 58 goals and is averaging 16 possessions and eight marks a game, and will prove crucial in Fremantle's upcoming tilt at its first-ever premiership.
Pavlich hasnt done enough this year???
I would say that Pavlich is the most consistent KPP in the game. He has a bad game (like on Sun against WC) and still kicks a couple while getting a dozen or so possessions. The only reason people think he hasn't been good this year is a) he hasn't kicked any bags like the 8 he kicked vs Adelaide last year, along with a few other sizeable bags and b) he plays for a WA team. How many times have Fremantle been on FTA tv this year? not many...
I rate him in the top 3 in the comp (along with Judd and a fit J Brown) and think he is an absolute star, and he is 24 years old still (i think). He should be AA easily, i would have him CHF. If he played in Vic, he would be favourable compared to Carey at the same age.
I would say that Pavlich is the most consistent KPP in the game. He has a bad game (like on Sun against WC) and still kicks a couple while getting a dozen or so possessions. The only reason people think he hasn't been good this year is a) he hasn't kicked any bags like the 8 he kicked vs Adelaide last year, along with a few other sizeable bags and b) he plays for a WA team. How many times have Fremantle been on FTA tv this year? not many...
I rate him in the top 3 in the comp (along with Judd and a fit J Brown) and think he is an absolute star, and he is 24 years old still (i think). He should be AA easily, i would have him CHF. If he played in Vic, he would be favourable compared to Carey at the same age.
Thats a big call! You're talking about probably the best CHF in the last 50 at least..let alone the next. Alongside Carey, Pavlich is definitely a candidate.
judburyjets
31 Aug 2006, 17:20
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Thats a big call! You're talking about probably the best CHF in the last 50 at least..let alone the next. Alongside Carey, Pavlich is definitely a candidate.
I understand that. I am not saying he is/isn't or will/won't be better, but if he played in Vic the media and fans would talk him up a lot more. Carey is the most dominanst and best footballer i have ever seen, but Pavlich is an absolute star, he will be AA this year for the 4th time at age 24, played 150 games, 120 or so in a row without a miss, fair record.
I will repeat, I don't necessarily think he will be better than Carey, but I think the comparisons would be there if he played in Vic.
I understand that. I am not saying he is/isn't or will/won't be better, but if he played in Vic the media and fans would talk him up a lot more. Carey is the most dominanst and best footballer i have ever seen, but Pavlich is an absolute star, he will be AA this year for the 4th time at age 24, played 150 games, 120 or so in a row without a miss, fair record.
I will repeat, I don't necessarily think he will be better than Carey, but I think the comparisons would be there if he played in Vic.
I guess we wouldnt argue if either could represent the red n black.
BlacK'n'ReD
2 Sep 2006, 12:52
Scotty should get an AA nod this year, he's been awesome. If he doesn't, then there's a real problem with the selectors.
kelvin_sheedy
11 Sep 2006, 16:50
Statistically he's been the best CHF this year - I believe.
If he can't get a guernsey at CHF they why not put him at CHB. He's had a better year then Whitnall who is the only legitimate CHB to be picked.
Didn't they pick Pavlich at full back one year when he didn't even play there.
They could do the same with Lucas.
I think the selection of AA is a bit of joke anyway.
If he doesn't get in it is
Daytripper
11 Sep 2006, 19:43
He didn't get in.
Disgraceful.
austinthedog
11 Sep 2006, 23:02
i dont know that baz hall had that great of a year. if anything i think pav played better than him and deserved chf with lucas on the bench. Cant really argue with the rest of the forward line though.
cousins and cox were suprises considering they missed a fair bit of the season
i dont know that baz hall had that great of a year. if anything i think pav played better than him and deserved chf with lucas on the bench. Cant really argue with the rest of the forward line though.
cousins and cox were suprises considering they missed a fair bit of the season
I'm ok with Hall but Lucas definately deserved Pav's bench spot
Cox surprised me big time, thought Simmonds was excellent this year
gezza78
11 Sep 2006, 23:14
Scotty Lucas was very,very unlucky to miss out!!
He had a superb year in the absence of Lloyd & deserved a spot..
How he & Jimmy Clement missed out has got me stuffed :thumbsd:
dyertribe
11 Sep 2006, 23:17
As I said here (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5793085&postcount=33) and a few times on the main board during the missing week, Scott Lucas should've been a certainty.
What a joke.
CharlieG
11 Sep 2006, 23:19
I think he was hard done by, but it wasn't Hall or Pavlich that took his spot - it was Riewoldt. Hall at CHF was correct, and Pav should have been in the forward pocket. Lucas deserved a spot on the bench.
dyertribe
11 Sep 2006, 23:29
I think he was hard done by, but it wasn't Hall or Pavlich that took his spot - it was Riewoldt. Hall at CHF was correct, and Pav should have been in the forward pocket. Lucas deserved a spot on the bench.
Lucas vs. Hall in 2006 (http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=105&pid1=408&tid2=114&pid2=270)
Taking out Hall's final against WCE (which isn't considered for AA selection), Lucas = identical goals, more disposals, more inside 50s, more long kicks.
He should've been AA CHF.
Spent more time in the position and played it better than anyone else this year - and all this despite the adversity of playing in the worst Essendon side in living memory as opposed to a successful finals aspirant.
CharlieG
11 Sep 2006, 23:39
Lucas vs. Hall in 2006 (http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=105&pid1=408&tid2=114&pid2=270)
Taking out Hall's final against WCE (which isn't considered for AA selection), Lucas = identical goals, more disposals, more inside 50s, more long kicks.
He should've been AA CHF.
Spent more time in the position and played it better than anyone else this year - and all this despite the adversity of playing in the worst Essendon side in living memory as opposed to a successful finals aspirant.
Lucas did it as the sole key forward for all but the first couple of weeks. Hall did it in a team that included another 2006 AA forward, a dual AA player in the goalsquare, a Brownlow Medallist floating through the forward line and Nick Davis and Adam Schneider to top it off.
No disrespect to Lucas intended - his performances were probably the difference between last and second last. But Hall has been the difference between Sydney being in prime position to defend its flag, and being a non-contender. To me, that makes him the most influential forward in the game, and that takes priority over raw stats.
mcphee_is_a_gun
11 Sep 2006, 23:39
Lucas vs. Hall in 2006 (http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=105&pid1=408&tid2=114&pid2=270)
Taking out Hall's final against WCE (which isn't considered for AA selection), Lucas = identical goals, more disposals, more inside 50s, more long kicks.
He should've been AA CHF.
Spent more time in the position and played it better than anyone else this year - and all this despite the adversity of playing in the worst Essendon side in living memory as opposed to a successful finals aspirant.
While Hall plays in the best forward line in the competition. Lucas had a carerr best year and should of been rewarded.
dave_27
11 Sep 2006, 23:51
Surprise, surprise Pavlich got in ahead of Lucas.
AA selectors looking after their favourites.
What a load of garbage.
Lucas was consistent the entire season. BBBH's last month of H/A footy was a shocker. If it wasn't for his 5 goals against the weagles, he would have been lucky to make the AA bench. :thumbsu:
celtic_pride
12 Sep 2006, 00:11
Lucas was consistent the entire season. BBBH's last month of H/A footy was a shocker. If it wasn't for his 5 goals against the weagles, he would have been lucky to make the AA bench. :thumbsu:
Actually I believe the panel cast their votes before the finals. I mean Darren Glass wouldn't have looked good at FB after Hall took him to the cleaners on the w/end.
BlacK'n'ReD
12 Sep 2006, 00:58
What a ****ing joke, he missed out :(
kelvin_sheedy
12 Sep 2006, 01:07
Scotty Lucas was very,very unlucky to miss out!!
He had a superb year in the absence of Lloyd & deserved a spot..
How he & Jimmy Clement missed out has got me stuffed :thumbsd:
Lucas was stiff but I would have thought that Clement would have been an absolute certainty.
Lucas did it as the sole key forward for all but the first couple of weeks. Hall did it in a team that included another 2006 AA forward, a dual AA player in the goalsquare, a Brownlow Medallist floating through the forward line and Nick Davis and Adam Schneider to top it off.
If Hall had all those great players around him then doesn't that make his job easier?
Colonel Matrix
12 Sep 2006, 12:31
Lucas was very stiff to miss out, I'd definitely find a spot in the forward line for him before Didak or O'Keefe.
FixterFan
12 Sep 2006, 18:36
If Hall had all those great players around him then doesn't that make his job easier?
Lucas is the only forward target - whether you think that gives him more oppurtunities (more midfield kicks directed at him) or less (defenders focus more on him) is up to you. Personally, I think the former, but you might think the latter.
I also think that Hall gives off more goals, and has better forward pressure, which gives him the nod over Lucas, who has had a stellar year but not a better one.
FixterFan
12 Sep 2006, 18:42
Lucas was very stiff to miss out, I'd definitely find a spot in the forward line for him before Didak or O'Keefe.
Except Lucas isn't a HFF as those 2 are. To be fair Riewoldt was named out of position, but otherwise the AA team this year is pretty good in terms of traditional positions, actually.
windyhill
12 Sep 2006, 18:49
Lucas is the only forward target - whether you think that gives him more oppurtunities (more midfield kicks directed at him) or less (defenders focus more on him) is up to you. Personally, I think the former, but you might think the latter.
I also think that Hall gives off more goals, and has better forward pressure, which gives him the nod over Lucas, who has had a stellar year but not a better one.
Lucas carried us. The selectors took the safe option, not to worry, we move on.
If it weren't for lucas we'd have been 1-21.
jnash196
12 Sep 2006, 20:36
1. Lookat most of the AA team they have been there before and are much loved by selectors. They wouldn't dare not putting in Pav or Hall or others.
2. Fev and Brad Johnson both played in 1 man forward lines and they both made the team so why shouldn't Lucas.
trueblue_91
12 Sep 2006, 21:55
1. Lookat most of the AA team they have been there before and are much loved by selectors. They wouldn't dare not putting in Pav or Hall or others.
2. Fev and Brad Johnson both played in 1 man forward lines and they both made the team so why shouldn't Lucas.
Lucas should've made it ahead of hall, Pav and Riewoldt. Jonno and Fev have had unbelievable seasons this year and no offence were better then Lucas.
But I do agree with no 1
Darealrath
12 Sep 2006, 22:47
What a ****ing disgrace.
CharlieG
13 Sep 2006, 01:13
If Hall had all those great players around him then doesn't that make his job easier?
Depends how you look at it. As key forwards, the main thing that Hall and Lucas can't control but effects their performance is delivery. Hall is the number one forward, but he still shares supply with half a dozen other targets.
I think it's a lot harder to have an AA season in a star-studded forward line that doesn't get a huge number of inside fifties (ie, Sydney's forward line) than a team where you're the only viable forward option for most of the season.
jules101
13 Sep 2006, 01:27
Lucas should've made it ahead of hall, Pav and Riewoldt. Jonno and Fev have had unbelievable seasons this year and no offence were better then Lucas.
But I do agree with no 1
He wasnt saying they shouldnt be in the team, he is sayin there is precedent for players in crap teams (not wb) to make the AA
Longy413
13 Sep 2006, 09:13
I don't reckon Lucas was our primary target inside 50 for the whole season.
We isolated a hell of a lot of players at FF, even Mark Johnson at one stage. But at times it was Lovett, Reynolds and Johns. It was probably Reynolds in 3-4 games and Johns in 5-6.
Lucas was our best forward this season, but he wasn't always the number one target. Champion Data do a forward target stat, I'd love to see the results of that because I don't think Lucas would have been as high as a lot of opposition supporters are suggesting.
Regardless, I don't think it all has any relevance. If the ball is kicked to you 1000 times and you kick 100 goals, surely you've still had a better year than the bloke who had it kicked to him 20 times for 20 goals.
If Scott Lucas had the sort of year Barry Hall had this year, no-one would blink an eye. Lucas was sensational, took his game to another level.
jnash196
13 Sep 2006, 19:42
He wasnt saying they shouldnt be in the team, he is sayin there is precedent for players in crap teams (not wb) to make the AA
Exactly what i meant
docker_azza
14 Sep 2006, 11:49
Can't believe they didn't put Lucas there while at the same time including Didak and O'Keefe.
Slattery_20
14 Sep 2006, 12:10
Most finals teams get a token AA selection, which is why Didak got in (should have been Clement, IMHO - he's only the best defender in the comp!). Hence also why Pav got in
go_the_bombers
14 Sep 2006, 12:17
Most finals teams get a token AA selection, which is why Didak got in (should have been Clement, IMHO - he's only the best defender in the comp!). Hence also why Pav got in
Clement didnt have that great of a year!
Slattery_20
14 Sep 2006, 12:19
Clement didnt have that great of a year!
What? That doesn't make sense! He shat on near everyone he played on! Including Hird!
go_the_bombers
14 Sep 2006, 12:21
What? That doesn't make sense! He shat on near everyone he played on! Including Hird!
Compared to his year last year
Slattery_20
14 Sep 2006, 12:24
Compared to his year last year
well, agreed, but then again, neither did Barry Hall
Clement is still the number 1 defender in the comp. He takes on big CHFs, nippy forward pockets, and everything in between, including the Great One. And beats them. He also provides a bit of run going forward.
go_the_bombers
14 Sep 2006, 12:27
well, agreed, but then again, neither did Barry Hall
Clement is still the number 1 defender in the comp. He takes on big CHFs, nippy forward pockets, and everything in between, including the Great One. And beats them. He also provides a bit of run going forward.
Agree with Barry Hall he was like Clement this year good but not as good as last year!