View Full Version : Keeping Gas and Chub=looking to the future
Madtiger2006
29 Aug 2006, 22:22
If we delisted Gas and Chubb, we would have to use Hall as a key backman(which is not looking to the future at all) and thursfield as a key backman(who looks great, but has only played one game at full back and is not that tall, while he may take a year to get back to top form and fitness after his knee injury). We need Schultz up forward and not wasted down back. We will probably get pumped in defence and lose more games next year. The team will lose confidence, the fans will lose patience. Hall and Thursfield will be shattered. This is the transition phase of our 5 year plan and we need experience in the team and we need our best possible defence. We will draft young key position players because we will have room left by Staffs and Chaffs retirements. You would have to delist Humm, Moore, Roach and maybe Rodan before any other player. If we put Gas on the veterans list, we would have freed up 7 spots for young key position backman who will take 2 years to be ready for senior football. What would you rather? Gas and Kellaway at FB and CHB, with experience and able to keep our defence competitive while Thursfield could ease into a back pocket or flank or would you rather Hall and Thursfield taking those key positions and getting belted. Gas and Chub will only improve our defence, while Hall can play for Coburg and only be brought in for injury. Gas and Chub will be needed for the 2 years to teach our new recruits. If we delist these 2, it will be only a negative for the club and the future. Everyone seems to forget how good a stopper a fit Gaspar is and Kellaway has a couple of good years left. Both have a bit left
tiger4life
29 Aug 2006, 22:27
definately agree and dont have anything to add sorry cuz i think u've covered it very well. :thumbsu:
we would be asking for trouble if we got rid of both gaspar and kellaway.
Go Tiges!!!!
Coughlan
29 Aug 2006, 22:29
totally agree, those calling for Gasper to go muct have very bad short term memory:cool:
Rancid_Beasties
29 Aug 2006, 22:30
I think we need one of these two guys to take the key forwards and just add experience. They may be shizenhousen in possession, but we have that many makeshift defenders back there right now that we need someone who actually knows how to wrestle and spoil and just generally annoy the big forwards.
I would keep Kellaway, because Gaspar doesnt have as big a heart and is completely buggered with injuries and has never had any skill, at least AK has shown a bit this year when in possession of the pill.
Anyway, if our midfield is good enough, maybe we wont have to keep relying on the skills of our defenders to play rebound footy. Maybe we'll actually get a centre clearance or two and leave our defenders to defend and not to launch all our attacks :rolleyes:
Crumden
29 Aug 2006, 22:37
Gaspar and J Bowden have been our two first choice key defenders since Wallace has been at the club. Kellaway is the third tall and Hall the backup. That is the set-up we have had for two years.
Much of it comes down to whether we can recruit a ready made key defender. If we can, then Gaspar, Hall and Kellaway can all go and we'll have Bowden and new-guy in the key posts and the third tall can be one of Thursfield, McGuane, P Bowden, Schulz.
More likely though that we won't get rid of all three. I'd say at the least Kellaway will play on. Whether Gaspar does will depend on how much of a pay cut he is prepared to swallow. Both can still hold their place in the side, but I'd rather be giving the money to our emerging talent in Raines, Deledio and co. If they can't accept their place in the new order, off with their heads. :eek:
Rancid_Beasties
29 Aug 2006, 22:47
Gaspar and J Bowden have been our two first choice key defenders since Wallace has been at the club. Kellaway is the third tall and Hall the backup. That is the set-up we have had for two years.
Much of it comes down to whether we can recruit a ready made key defender. If we can, then Gaspar, Hall and Kellaway can all go and we'll have Bowden and new-guy in the key posts and the third tall can be one of Thursfield, McGuane, P Bowden, Schulz.
More likely though that we won't get rid of all three. I'd say at the least Kellaway will play on. Whether Gaspar does will depend on how much of a pay cut he is prepared to swallow. Both can still hold their place in the side, but I'd rather be giving the money to our emerging talent in Raines, Deledio and co. If they can't accept their place in the new order, off with their heads. :eek:
Bowden has said that he doesn't want to play full back next year. Furthermore, its a waste putting a guy who has such good evasive skills and stamina at full back where he barely ever gets to use them. He has to play at half back flank next year otherwise we will cop many more floggings. As for finding a ready made full back in the draft, absolutely wishful thinking. Particularly given that we wont be willing to waste a high draft pick on a defender (nor should we). And to say hes going to become our number 2 defender immediately is placing far too high expectations on a young player (zac dawson, kepler bradley anyone?). We have to keep one of Hall, Kellaway, Gaspar, and it would be better to keep 2. Thursfield is a possible future champ, but not until 2008 thanks to his injury. McGuane is a forward, so is schulz, so is p.bowden.
tomthetiger
29 Aug 2006, 23:07
We'll recruit someone to play at fullback next year, we have to.
Truetiger
29 Aug 2006, 23:14
totally agree, those calling for Gasper to go muct have very bad short term memory:cool:
Yeah Iam one of those. Then again Iam sure my friends would agree i have a short term memory . Sorry people :o
Rancid_Beasties
29 Aug 2006, 23:15
We'll recruit someone to play at fullback next year, we have to.
Polak? Hes good but hes not fully committed to footy. Hes far from a surity and could turn into a Jonathon Hay.
Mal Michael? Most likely retiring or playing on with brisbane. If not, we may aswell keep gaspar anyway.
I honestly cant think of anyone else, unless we managed to pull off some miraculous trade like Hyde, Tivendale and Hall and a 2nd round for a recognised full back like scarlett.
raines4
29 Aug 2006, 23:43
We have to get rid of Gaspar. Even when he isnt injured which is a very short percentage of the time he isnt performing. We need to look into the future and get a young key backman who will help us in the years to come. If gaspar was to play next year it would probably be his last and he would be taking the position of a younger player who would offer us more. We should keep chaffey because he gives us run out of the backline but Gaspar needs to go
Rancid_Beasties
29 Aug 2006, 23:47
We should keep chaffey because he gives us run out of the backline but Gaspar needs to go
Chub = Kellaway, and anyway, chaffey has retired today.
LarryLong
30 Aug 2006, 09:57
We have to get rid of Gaspar. Even when he isnt injured which is a very short percentage of the time he isnt performing. We need to look into the future and get a young key backman who will help us in the years to come. If gaspar was to play next year it would probably be his last and he would be taking the position of a younger player who would offer us more. We should keep chaffey because he gives us run out of the backline but Gaspar needs to go
Gaspar can be placed on the veteran's list, which means that he wouldn't be taking a spot on the list from a young key backman. As for taking the kid's spot in the senior team, I'm all for that if the kid can't play to his standard. Whatever happened to making players earn a senior game? Competition for positions in the senior side is healthy.
If Gaspar's half as bad as you say he is (Which he isn't, of course), any kid that is up to AFL standard should be able to force him out of the side. Where's the problem?
Darth_Tiger
30 Aug 2006, 11:36
basically all we lose from keeping gaspar is one less rookie list place. i am sure he wont command too much money next year and half of it is outside the sallary cap. unless they are planning on trading him to freo as part of a deal for polak i say we keep him. ak should be kept too, an important player and wonderful servant of the club.
Heard on SEN this morning that Gaspar is virtually over the line at continuing on a one-year contract. I hope Chubba goes on too.
Truetiger
30 Aug 2006, 12:47
Heard on SEN this morning that Gaspar is virtually over the line at continuing on a one-year contract. I hope Chubba goes on too.
Surely that got that wrong and meant Kellaway is over the line?
itsintheblood
30 Aug 2006, 13:03
If we delisted Gas and Chubb, we would have to use Hall as a key backman(which is not looking to the future at all) and thursfield as a key backman(who looks great, but has only played one game at full back and is not that tall, while he may take a year to get back to top form and fitness after his knee injury). We need Schultz up forward and not wasted down back. We will probably get pumped in defence and lose more games next year. The team will lose confidence, the fans will lose patience. Hall and Thursfield will be shattered. This is the transition phase of our 5 year plan and we need experience in the team and we need our best possible defence. We will draft young key position players because we will have room left by Staffs and Chaffs retirements. You would have to delist Humm, Moore, Roach and maybe Rodan before any other player. If we put Gas on the veterans list, we would have freed up 7 spots for young key position backman who will take 2 years to be ready for senior football. What would you rather? Gas and Kellaway at FB and CHB, with experience and able to keep our defence competitive while Thursfield could ease into a back pocket or flank or would you rather Hall and Thursfield taking those key positions and getting belted. Gas and Chub will only improve our defence, while Hall can play for Coburg and only be brought in for injury. Gas and Chub will be needed for the 2 years to teach our new recruits. If we delist these 2, it will be only a negative for the club and the future. Everyone seems to forget how good a stopper a fit Gaspar is and Kellaway has a couple of good years left. Both have a bit left
MT, what's to say we wont be picking up a quality backman or two in the draft this year? We've gone nowhere with either kellaway or gaspar in the last five years. Im sick to death of our supporters continuing to keep their heads in the sand. Let's look outside the square for a change. Our list is still in need of some serious surgery and our 3 100pt beltings this year prove it. These 2 didnt play in 2 of them but perhaps would have reduced the margin to 80 points instead.
We need quality backmen and these 2 dont fit the bill.
MT, what's to say we wont be picking up a quality backman or two in the draft this year? We've gone nowhere with either kellaway or gaspar in the last five years. Im sick to death of our supporters continuing to keep their heads in the sand.
No one is saying that Kellaway and/or Gaspar are the future. Not too many are saying they are much chop.
The problem is that you don't get ready made players in the draft. No 17 year old kid is going to step straight into FB. The need 2-3 years of development time.
What do we do for those 2-3 years? Hall, Thursfield, McGuane and P.Bowden? Move Schulz down there and have a forward line of Richo and um ... Hughes and Patto?
So we go out are recruit some 25 year old cut from another team to do a job for two years? Might as well keep Kellaway and Gaspar as bring in Nicholson or trade for some other 5th stringer.
We need someone to do a job for a year or two while we develop some options.
itsintheblood
30 Aug 2006, 13:15
No one is saying that Kellaway and/or Gaspar are the future. Not too many are saying they are much chop.
The problem is that you don't get ready made players in the draft. No 17 year old kid is going to step straight into FB. The need 2-3 years of development time.
What do we do for those 2-3 years? Hall, Thursfield, McGuane and P.Bowden? Move Schulz down there and have a forward line of Richo and um ... Hughes and Patto?
So we go out are recruit some 25 year old cut from another team to do a job for two years? Might as well keep Kellaway and Gaspar as bring in Nicholson or trade for some other 5th stringer.
We need someone to do a job for a year or two while we develop some options.
Who's talking about the draft? What about trades??? There are some clearly good players out there who can't cement a spot in their respective sides. Look at P Bowden.
Who's talking about the draft? What about trades??? There are some clearly good players out there who can't cement a spot in their respective sides. Look at P Bowden.
Trading away good draft picks on guys who can't get a game somewhere else is hardly the way we are going to improve. Far prefer to draft a couple of kids and develop our own while Gaspar and Kellaway cop the punishment than do and get someone else's 5th stringer.
There are very few quality key defenders not getting a game. Most clubs are crying out for them.
CoggaRules
30 Aug 2006, 13:21
No one is saying that Kellaway and/or Gaspar are the future. Not too many are saying they are much chop.
The problem is that you don't get ready made players in the draft. No 17 year old kid is going to step straight into FB. The need 2-3 years of development time.
What do we do for those 2-3 years? Hall, Thursfield, McGuane and P.Bowden? Move Schulz down there and have a forward line of Richo and um ... Hughes and Patto?
So we go out are recruit some 25 year old cut from another team to do a job for two years? Might as well keep Kellaway and Gaspar as bring in Nicholson or trade for some other 5th stringer.
We need someone to do a job for a year or two while we develop some options.
gotta feeling if the "options" arent "options" already, it would be more like "5-6" years before you can see if the "developed options" remain as "options". And that is anly talking about "options". So pencil in 10 years before you have an "option" becoming a "player" , not to mention, the time fram for that "player" to become a "gun", or even "reliable".
Have a feeling a few here think that developing a player for a KP is aligned to cooking a 3 minut meal in a microwave huh? Unless of course there is one right out of left field, that steps up and has all the AFL talking about him, overnight, then you have a super star. So keep dreaming. ;)
Truetiger
30 Aug 2006, 13:40
MT, what's to say we wont be picking up a quality backman or two in the draft this year? We've gone nowhere with either kellaway or gaspar in the last five years. Im sick to death of our supporters continuing to keep their heads in the sand. Let's look outside the square for a change. Our list is still in need of some serious surgery and our 3 100pt beltings this year prove it. These 2 didnt play in 2 of them but perhaps would have reduced the margin to 80 points instead.
We need quality backmen and these 2 dont fit the bill.
Good post. Agree. Now mad tiger by not renewing there contracts we are going to use there money to get more backman? Were have Gasper(the man that wont chase) and Kellaway taken us in the time they have been at Puntroad. Are these 2 players apart of Richmonds Sucess in the years to come. Answer no there for off load em.
gotta feeling if the "options" arent "options" already, it would be more like "5-6" years before you can see if the "developed options" remain as "options". And that is anly talking about "options". So pencil in 10 years before you have an "option" becoming a "player" , not to mention, the time fram for that "player" to become a "gun", or even "reliable".
Have a feeling a few here think that developing a player for a KP is aligned to cooking a 3 minut meal in a microwave huh? Unless of course there is one right out of left field, that steps up and has all the AFL talking about him, overnight, then you have a super star. So keep dreaming. ;)
I am sure that makes sense to you.
Luke McGuane and Wil Thursfield both have talent and both will play games next year in defence. Neither is really ready to play 22 games, and both would best be served playing in the 3rd defender spot.
Cleve Hughes might start his career in defence, he certainly needs to learn a lot, but again he probably won't play much in 2007.
We will probably draft a tall in the 2nd round of the draft, and probably another late, with another tall option on the rookie list. Those 2-3 guys won't be ready to play much in 2007.
Will any of them make the grade? Who knows, probably not. But in 2008-9 we will have 4-5 bodies we can rotate through those positions as we look to find the 1-2 we need to be a finals team.
We are simply short of bodies if we let Gaspar and Kellaway go (and cut Moore and Jackson as we should).
Our only option then will be to trade. The price for ready made big-blokes is high. In the last 3 seasons ...
Brad Ottens (pick 12 and pick 16)
Nathan Thompson (pick 10 and 26)
Paul Johnson (pick 29)
Darren Jolly (pick 15)
Troy Simmonds (Out of contract / Fiora)
Jon Hay (pick 18)
Fergus Watts (pick 17)
Jason Saddington (pick 51)
Paul Chambers (pick 35)
Ted Richards (pick 19 ad pick 50)
Jade Rawlings (pick 46)
Not only do you pay over the odds for them but clubs very very rarely let go anyone who is good and the clubs that get them very rarely improve much.
Relying on trading for big blokes to improve your team is madness. The number of trades has declined every year. From 25 to 16 to 13. There might be 10-12 guys traded in total this year.
CoggaRules
30 Aug 2006, 13:55
I am sure that makes sense to you.
Luke McGuane and Wil Thursfield both have talent and both will play games next year in defence. Neither is really ready to play 22 games, and both would best be served playing in the 3rd defender spot.
Cleve Hughes might start his career in defence, he certainly needs to learn a lot, but again he probably won't play much in 2007.
We will probably draft a tall in the 2nd round of the draft, and probably another late, with another tall option on the rookie list. Those 2-3 guys won't be ready to play much in 2007.
Will any of them make the grade? Who knows, probably not. But in 2008-9 we will have 4-5 bodies we can rotate through those positions as we look to find the 1-2 we need to be a finals team.
We are simply short of bodies if we let Gaspar and Kellaway go (and cut Moore and Jackson as we should).
Our only option then will be to trade. The price for ready made big-blokes is high. In the last 3 seasons ...
Brad Ottens (pick 12 and pick 16)
Nathan Thompson (pick 10 and 26)
Paul Johnson (pick 29)
Darren Jolly (pick 15)
Troy Simmonds (Out of contract / Fiora)
Jon Hay (pick 18)
Fergus Watts (pick 17)
Jason Saddington (pick 51)
Paul Chambers (pick 35)
Ted Richards (pick 19 ad pick 50)
Jade Rawlings (pick 46)
Not only do you pay over the odds for them but clubs very very rarely let go anyone who is good and the clubs that get them very rarely improve much.
Relying on trading for big blokes to improve your team is madness. The number of trades has declined every year. From 25 to 16 to 13. There might be 10-12 guys traded in total this year.
hmmm, so McGuane has talent? maybe, i am not going to base my opinion on the oncer against the swans, but i do have to say, that, i tended to be looking intensely for "one" sign, that suggested that he has that talent. Like didnt care about him getting his ass whipped, all i was looking for was a sign, i.e. in the way a Thursfield gave us in day one. Not the whole world, but a sign that he can mix it.
I am not one to put a player to the sword immedialtey, believe it or not, i am patient, but when the time comes a spade has to be called a spade, or we end up reading in the paper today, a Chaff suggesting he got by for 10 years,, not because of his ability, but because of his work ethic. Which is good, for a side that we once were, not good for a side we aspire to become.
By the way Weave, you tend to lose sight of one thing when you talk about what we "will" have when you spruik lines like this, But in 2008-9 we will have 4-5 bodies we can rotate through those positions as we look to find the 1-2 we need to be a finals team. Do you know why? Do you ever think about who we wont have when 2008/09 comes around? ;)
itsintheblood
30 Aug 2006, 13:57
Trading away good draft picks on guys who can't get a game somewhere else is hardly the way we are going to improve. Far prefer to draft a couple of kids and develop our own while Gaspar and Kellaway cop the punishment than do and get someone else's 5th stringer.
There are very few quality key defenders not getting a game. Most clubs are crying out for them.
You're talking hypotheticals weave. I strongly feel if kellaways future is under scrutiny you'd think there was something happening behind the scenes for a replacement wouldn't you?
Sorry, but I've had a gutfull of seeing gaspar run and kick the ball like a crab with a broken leg. Kellaway's disposal also leave a lot to be desired. Courage is great but there's not use courageously winning the ball only to turn it over time and time again.
You're talking hypotheticals weave. I strongly feel if kellaways future is under scrutiny you'd think there was something happening behind the scenes for a replacement wouldn't you?
Sorry, but I've had a gutfull of seeing gaspar run and kick the ball like a crab with a broken leg. Kellaway's disposal also leave a lot to be desired. Courage is great but there's not use courageously winning the ball only to turn it over time and time again.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be shot of Gaspar. Kellaway I'd keep around because he is hardly going to cost much and is a good squad player who never lets you down.
But we have to put someone at FB next year.
Our current options are rubbish or not ready.
We can't bring in a kid to play the spot.
Our only option is to trade for someone. As for having something signed and sealed we simply can't. Any club can make a better offer in trade week and leave us stuffed.
Bringing in Polak is a gamble that might pay off.
Bringing in Luke Livingston, Mark Bolton, Jason Cloke, Ryan Ferguson etc I don't think is much of an upgrade. I'd prefer to keep the pick 25 (or 41) that it would cost and recruit a kid. Keep Kellaway or Gaspar for a year or two. Stick with the devil we know, keep the picks, and develop a kid.
Thinking there is a quick fix is dangerous. Yes we absolutely need to replace Kellaway, Gaspar, Moore and Jackson ... doing them all at once with Thursfield coming off a knee and McGuane not ready would be ideal but we have to be patient.
Can't fix all our problems overnight.
Darth_Tiger
30 Aug 2006, 14:16
gas has hardly played this year anyway. kellaway is a good player. no he is better than that. just because we have been crap for so long is no reason to cut him.
wires on fire.
30 Aug 2006, 14:18
i was staggered when i read that the tigers were going to delist kellaway. thought he had been great for them over the last 2 seasons.
You're talking hypotheticals weave. I strongly feel if kellaways future is under scrutiny you'd think there was something happening behind the scenes for a replacement wouldn't you?
Sorry, but I've had a gutfull of seeing gaspar run and kick the ball like a crab with a broken leg. Kellaway's disposal also leave a lot to be desired. Courage is great but there's not use courageously winning the ball only to turn it over time and time again.
No, Weaver's talking facts. We get rid of those 2 guys, who will play in defence for us? He has shown we lack depth already, losing 2 capable experienced defenders will only make things worse. He has shown that trading for a tall defender is expensive business.
I very much share the sentiments of madtiger and Weaver, we are much better served for our future by keeping these old guys on for another season.
hmmm, so McGuane has talent? maybe, i am not going to base my opinion on the oncer against the swans, but i do have to say, that, i tended to be looking intensely for "one" sign, that suggested that he has that talent. Like didnt care about him getting his ass whipped, all i was looking for was a sign, i.e. in the way a Thursfield gave us in day one. Not the whole world, but a sign that he can mix it.
The good news is that Coburg play 18 game a season so you don't have to wait for a kid to pop up on telly to begin making assessments.
McGuane has a lot to work with. He is athletic, attacks the ball, is prepared to carry the ball and run hard, and has demonstrated a lot of promise at both ends. At the moment he is a bit of a Labrador-pup, all enthusiasm and energy but a bit error prone. He is certainly the type who can develop with more experience.
The good news is that Coburg play 18 game a season so you don't have to wait for a kid to pop up on telly to begin making assessments.
McGuane has a lot to work with. He is athletic, attacks the ball, is prepared to carry the ball and run hard, and has demonstrated a lot of promise at both ends. At the moment he is a bit of a Labrador-pup, all enthusiasm and energy but a bit error prone. He is certainly the type who can develop with more experience.
Spot on, and summed up by two things he did on the weekend. Took a screamer in the goalsquare, only to get too close to the man on the mark and have his kick touched. Then did great work to get around defenders and run in to an open goal, only to miss. Showed he is capable of some really good footy but needs to cut those mistakes out.
CoggaRules
30 Aug 2006, 14:27
The good news is that Coburg play 18 game a season so you don't have to wait for a kid to pop up on telly to begin making assessments.
McGuane has a lot to work with. He is athletic, attacks the ball, is prepared to carry the ball and run hard, and has demonstrated a lot of promise at both ends. At the moment he is a bit of a Labrador-pup, all enthusiasm and energy but a bit error prone. He is certainly the type who can develop with more experience.
Man, you might be on the money, but at this point in time, the cupboard looks totally bare with McGuane. I await with eagerness his "development" at Coburg, and then with even greater eagerness his elevation to the big time, just to see if that cupboard is still bare. or if he has "developed".
Until that time, you can dream of what might happen, i prefer to look at what reality is now.
Lets put it this way Weave, if you were are youngster, drafted by an AFL team, would you do anything but show, all enthusiasm and energy? Of course you are going to be like that, that isnt what we are looking for, we are looking for players that do all that and dont make errors. WHen you have that, you have "a" player that can make the difference, what you are watiing for is "a" player that can fill a KP hole. Which gets you mediocrity. ;)
itsintheblood
30 Aug 2006, 14:42
Darren Gaspar is finished. Kaput. Kellaway no doubt still has a year or two left but if we could get a decent trade out of him I'd say go for it.
True Thylacine
30 Aug 2006, 14:45
Spot on, and summed up by two things he did on the weekend. Took a screamer in the goalsquare, only to get too close to the man on the mark and have his kick touched. Then did great work to get around defenders and run in to an open goal, only to miss. Showed he is capable of some really good footy but needs to cut those mistakes out.
I noticed that too. I have watched him on almost every televised game and really like him. He needs to build up more and learn the stuff Weaver speaks of but has a great pair of hands and knows how to run. I actually think he will play more games next year than Thursfield, givent 1st year back blues aftr knee surgery.
You will find that both Gasper and K2 will stay on.
Their options are likely to be the RFC or nothing.
This is Greg Miller making player agent's disclose their cards earlier than they would like to. This time next week the market will be flooded.
Its a game, that's why you cannot disclaim interest in the likes of Aker etc. As soon as you do you loose your leverage over deals like Gasper and K2.
Lets put it this way Weave, if you were are youngster, drafted by an AFL team, would you do anything but show, all enthusiasm and energy?
But very, very few of them do. McGuane takes guys on, bounces the ball, flies for marks, lays tough tackles. He is up for the contest in a way that virtually none of the others are.
McGuane's problem is that he is almost too excitable. Every time he gets the ball you can almost see the adrenelin about to burst out his ears like a cartoon character. He runs too far, tries too much, kicks points from the goalsquare.
A little bit of poise and composure and we have the makings of a solid AFL backman who can go forward at a pinch.
Of course you are going to be like that, that isnt what we are looking for, we are looking for players that do all that and dont make errors.
Unfortunately in the real world perfection rarely happens along. Of course we'd like a Dustin Fletcher but we don't have one.
WHen you have that, you have "a" player that can make the difference, what you are watiing for is "a" player that can fill a KP hole. Which gets you mediocrity. ;)
Struggling to fathom what your solution is. In your bizzaro world -
We don't develop kids.
We don't keep veterans.
We don't trade for mediocre fullbacks.
Presumambly we just sit back and wait for a fullback to magically appear in our laps and for the next 6, 16, or 60 years while we wait we put David Rodan at FB?
Truetiger
30 Aug 2006, 17:52
I agree with itsintheblood. Darren Gasper's playing days are well finished. He should go and Kellaway should stay.
Am i the only one on here that thinks Gasper does not chase players that he can and he just stands there and watchers.
tiger4life
30 Aug 2006, 20:30
i agree that mcguane looks very good in the vfl...taking people on and holding strong marks etc.
hopefully he can be a strong player in the future for us. We need to keep one of gas and AK next year just to add some security and experience down back.
prettyboy
30 Aug 2006, 21:44
I would rather Keep AK hes a champion and along with richo is getting better with age and he's starting to kick goals more often then he used to isnt he 5 or 6 this year doesnt he and gaspers screwed with injury
Crumden
30 Aug 2006, 22:39
We've paid Gaspar $500,000 this year to play 8 games. Two of those games he stood with his hands on his hips watching opponents run into goal. The other 6 games he got back into some better form and held some good forwards. But realistically, even if we drop his salary to $150K, is that looking to the future. It doesn't seem to even be buying good value for the present.
Truetiger
31 Aug 2006, 09:20
Two of those games he stood with his hands on his hips watching opponents run into goal.
Finally someone that agrees with me. Madtiger? Gasper just stands by and makes no effort to chase. He is meant to be a leader of the club and we find him just standing around doing nothing when he could chase down a player. IS this the sort of player we want teaching our kids and playing for another 1-2 years. The answer is no.
CoggaRules
31 Aug 2006, 11:30
But very, very few of them do. McGuane takes guys on, bounces the ball, flies for marks, lays tough tackles. He is up for the contest in a way that virtually none of the others are.
McGuane's problem is that he is almost too excitable. Every time he gets the ball you can almost see the adrenelin about to burst out his ears like a cartoon character. He runs too far, tries too much, kicks points from the goalsquare.
A little bit of poise and composure and we have the makings of a solid AFL backman who can go forward at a pinch.
Unfortunately in the real world perfection rarely happens along. Of course we'd like a Dustin Fletcher but we don't have one.
Struggling to fathom what your solution is. In your bizzaro world -
We don't develop kids.
We don't keep veterans.
We don't trade for mediocre fullbacks.
Presumambly we just sit back and wait for a fullback to magically appear in our laps and for the next 6, 16, or 60 years while we wait we put David Rodan at FB?
ahhhh Weave, how we have decended into the abyss of infeoriority and lost sight of the one most important facet of successful sides, we used to know it back to front, 20 years of sh-ite has taken its toll on tigers like you huh?
Do you remember a word called, "ruthless"? it used to be aligned to us, now we are more accomodating, kind, kind of wear our hearts on our sleeves etc.
So its mcguane's problem is that he has an adrenalin rush, that has him making errors everytime? Yes, that is it in a nutshell. Kind of on a par with young Tommy Roach.
What is is with the little bit of poise and composure man? Did you witness the Keystone cops last week, Coburg v Bullants? Now go from there and look at the big time and your "little bit" sounds ridiculous.
Not saying to sit back dude, I am saying the complete opposite, look and see and evaluate and turn over players fast. That way you get to see alot of players going through yur system, instead of having "hopes' there for eternity clogging it up. You tend to be able to find more when you have more to find from, i.e ruthless equates to, sorry man , next please. ;)
Not saying to sit back dude, I am saying the complete opposite, look and see and evaluate and turn over players fast. That way you get to see alot of players going through yur system, instead of having "hopes' there for eternity clogging it up. You tend to be able to find more when you have more to find from, i.e ruthless equates to, sorry man , next please. ;)
So who plays fullback and CHB in 2007 and 2008?
Not Hall, Kellaway and Gaspar because we have to be ruthless. Not McGuane, Moore because we have to be ruthless.
No 17-18 year old kid will play FB in the AFL consinstently. So asking a draftee to come straight into the team is nonsense.
So we are back to David Rodan are we?
We have to be pragmatic and put someone on the field in the next two years. Who is it Cogga and how do we get them?
Cogga, you talk more crap than Bentleigh these days