View Full Version : Aker met Sheeds today
Philzsay
30 Aug 2006, 19:29
Just on Channel 7 news, Aker met Sheeds and Dodoro in Melbourne today. He has also had talks with the herald sun about writing a regular article next year.
Sorry for yet another Aker thread!
Darealrath
30 Aug 2006, 19:33
It's got to the point where i'd be surprised if he doesn't play for us next year.
thebigboy
30 Aug 2006, 19:34
If he doesn't come ill be stunned.
It is a given he will play for us. And we won't give away any of our first 3 picks. Any possibility of a straight swap for Welsh and a pick around 40ish.
It is a given he will play for us. And we won't give away any of our first 3 picks. Any possibility of a straight swap for Welsh and a pick around 40ish.
We will give up a second round pick for him;)
I think we will give up our priority pick (Pick 18) or Solomon with a later pick.
I think he has been wanting to come to essendon all along, and with Hird playing on it will entice him even more.
I think we will give up our priority pick (Pick 18) or Solomon with a later pick.
I think he has been wanting to come to essendon all along, and with Hird playing on it will entice him even more.
Will be pick 18 , priority pick or not.
go_the_bombers
30 Aug 2006, 20:03
We will all find out come trade time;) :p
I wouldnt rule out Collingwood
If he doesn't come ill be stunned.
It does seem as if Essendon have been the front runners for sometime. I agree that trading pick 18 would be a pretty good result for your club.
First time it's been made public. He's spoken to us on other occassions. He wants to play for us.
go_the_bombers
30 Aug 2006, 20:21
First time it's been made public. He's spoken to us on other occassions. He wants to play for us.
He wants to play Footy in Vic but I don't think he's made up his mind just yet on which team that will be!
monfries_young-gun
30 Aug 2006, 20:43
Please go away Aker. Agree he is a good player but there is no need for him in our current state. He would do great at either Dogs, Demons or Richmond as they are all on the verge of the premiership but we need young kids and especially in this draft we do not want to give up a pick as high as 18 for a 3 year player.
BlacK'n'ReD
30 Aug 2006, 20:49
Please go away Aker. Agree he is a good player but there is no need for him in our current state. He would do great at either Dogs, Demons or Richmond as they are all on the verge of the premiership but we need young kids and especially in this draft we do not want to give up a pick as high as 18 for a 3 year player.
I disagree, I really think we need an Aka-Like player in our line-up. I'm getting excited at the prospect of him coming to us, I love watching him pull off those miraculous goals :D
Please go away Aker. Agree he is a good player but there is no need for him in our current state. He would do great at either Dogs, Demons or Richmond as they are all on the verge of the premiership but we need young kids and especially in this draft we do not want to give up a pick as high as 18 for a 3 year player.
It wont go away, altough it is only really an unconfirmed rumour it is really the strongest trade rmour i have heard involving our club ever.
The dogs are barking loudly that it will be pick 18 , or 19 if we win this week for Aker.
I guess the theory is pick up a good youngster with our first pick and grab some real experience to have another crack at finals while we still have Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher for 2 or 3 years and Hird next year.
go_the_bombers
30 Aug 2006, 20:50
Please go away Aker. Agree he is a good player but there is no need for him in our current state. He would do great at either Dogs, Demons or Richmond as they are all on the verge of the premiership but we need young kids and especially in this draft we do not want to give up a pick as high as 18 for a 3 year player.
Melbourne have Miller to offer Brisbane since his from Qld
Don't know what Richmond & Bulldogs would offer!
Don't forget Sheeds said he won't get into a bidding war for Aker
monfries_young-gun
30 Aug 2006, 20:58
Yeah but i would still rather not give up a pick in this years draft. Good point about Dogs and Tigers, not sure what they could offer Brisbane..
The Dice Man
30 Aug 2006, 21:02
Please go away Aker. Agree he is a good player but there is no need for him in our current state. He would do great at either Dogs, Demons or Richmond as they are all on the verge of the premiership but we need young kids and especially in this draft we do not want to give up a pick as high as 18 for a 3 year player.
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You're not really an Essendon supporter are you :p
Could make Essendon's foward line quite dangerous next season. Do you guys imagine him playing much of a midfield role though?
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You're not really an Essendon supporter are you :p
Could make Essendon's foward line quite dangerous next season. Do you guys imagine him playing much of a midfield role though?
I wouldnt suspect it would be a huge midfield role but he would spend some time there wherever he goes.
He would do great at either Dogs, Demons or Richmond as they are all on the verge of the premiership
Patronising. I like it.
The Dice Man
30 Aug 2006, 21:09
I wouldnt suspect it would be a huge midfield role but he would spend some time there wherever he goes.
I just thought he may play more in the midfield at Ess than elsewhere. Your foward line is your strength(Lloyd, Lucas, Hird and potentially Aker), while IMO it's your midfield that is your weakness (ironic considering you murdered us in the midfield).
Darealrath
30 Aug 2006, 21:14
I just thought he may play more in the midfield at Ess than elsewhere. Your foward line is your strength(Lloyd, Lucas, Hird and potentially Aker), while IMO it's your midfield that is your weakness (ironic considering you murdered us in the midfield).
We could do with his disposal in the midfield.
We have Johns and Lovett in the forward line as well. I think he'd float in and out of midfeild and forward line.
mcphee_is_a_gun
30 Aug 2006, 21:27
Johns----Lloyd----Monfries
Lovett---Lucas---Akermanis
**** that'd be an awesome forward line.
Big John
30 Aug 2006, 21:30
I really don't want to give up a 2nd round pick for Aker as i've heard being reported. He's a great player, but he's getting to the end, probably only has 2 years of absolute top footy left in him, and we're going to give up the chance of getting a young player who could be with the club for 10 years. As much as i'd love to believe we can challenge for a flag in a few years, i think we're just setting ourselves up for longer term pain if thats what we aim for.
Melbourne have Miller to offer Brisbane since his from Qld
Don't know what Richmond & Bulldogs would offer!
Don't forget Sheeds said he won't get into a bidding war for Aker
Dont the bulldogs have a brother by the name of sam power. i reckon he would not be bad to go up there with perhaps a 3rd or 4th round pick for aka.
maybe we could ofload say bolton to the dogs we send our third pick and sam power to lions and we get aka. the dogs need tall players. they can have henneman to if they wont as a bonus!
dodgyJim
30 Aug 2006, 22:15
Don't forget Sheeds said he won't get into a bidding war for Aker
And you believe that? Sheedy would be smacking his lips at the thought of having Aker running around in a red and black jumper.
Johns----Lloyd----Monfries
Lovett---Lucas---Akermanis
**** that'd be an awesome forward line.
Lucas in the back half.....aker on a wing.....hird at CHF, Stanton or dyson on the flank
Will be pick 18 , priority pick or not.
ahh yes.... are we certain for the priority at this stage? even if we win this week?
if so does that mean picks
2,18,20?
TheBrownDog
30 Aug 2006, 22:51
The mail on White Line Fever seemed to indicate that Essendon's second rounder is on the table.
ahh yes.... are we certain for the priority at this stage? even if we win this week?
if so does that mean picks
2,18,20?
We win this week then no priority pick but i wasnt thinking really well before it would be pick 19 if Carlton lose this week and we win.
Otherwise if we lose then it is 2,18,20.
Clear as mud lol so the equasion is win and we get 2,19 etc lose and we get 18 thrown in. If we lose and Carlton win we get 1,17,18.
Guess we will hear more about trades after this round when the position is finalised.
The mail on White Line Fever seemed to indicate that Essendon's second rounder is on the table.
Is what i have heard , we are prepared to give a the second round pick even if we dont have a priority pick.
Another big media beat up...Aker met with Sheedy - BIG DEAL! I know for a fact he is meeting with Wallace this week and im sure about 5 other clubs wil be in contact while he is in Melboure...Greg Miller had a 6hr meeting with him in Brisbane.....its never a done deal in this game.....its still a toss up i reckon.
I'm sorry, I may be the only one who doesn't want him, I think he will just cause instability at the club, which we don't need at the moment & I certainly don't think we should be offering a round two pick, round three at the most. Isn't there a chance he will go PSD, anyway, we shouldn't give anything valuable for him.
Akermanis meets Bombers and Demons on future
ESSENDON and Melbourne yesterday confirmed their interest in Jason Akermanis when their coaches held preliminary meetings with the game's most outrageous figure.
Akermanis, with his manager Rick Olarenshaw, met Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy and his recruiting manager Adrian Dodoro at Windy Hill, and then had his first conversation with Sheedy's Demon counterpart Neale Daniher.
While sources last night suggested the Dons were unwilling to trade a top-20 draft pick for the estranged Lion, Melbourne is yet to consider whether its talks will progress further.
Both meetings were described as "get to know" talks in which money was not discussed. Sheedy had never met Akermanis before.
While the Bombers are obviously interested in acquiring Akermanis, the meeting was also a case of the club doing "due diligence" and finding out more about where the 2001 Brownlow medallist might fit in at Windy Hill and vice versa.
While Essendon skipper Matthew Lloyd last week suggested on Fox Footy that a draft pick "around 20" would be a fair trade for Akermanis, sources said the club, which is in rebuilding mode, would not be prepared to part with either its priority or second-round pick. If Essendon does not win tomorrow night, it will receive an extra draft pick at the end of the first round (pick 17 or 18 depending on results), plus its second-round pick (19 or 20).
Although money was not discussed in the meeting, Akermanis has outlined his conditions through his management and they are: a three-year contract, on $400,000 or more, plus the right to earn more in the media.
Olarenshaw said clubs would be "silly" to offer only two years when they knew Akermanis, who is 29, could command a three-year contract in the marketplace.
"That's definitely an expectation of Jason and ours, definitely. I think a club would be silly to be interested in having a go at Jason and offer him a two-year commitment.
"They know other clubs would offer three. To be competitive, you've got to offer three, you've got to offer what is currently around about what he is currently earning and probably a bit extra … you also get a bit extra when you change clubs. And that puts him in the 400 ($400,000) category."
While the price tag might rule some clubs out of the market, the vexed question of Akermanis' media rights — what the club would allow him to do as a media performer — would be subject to negotiation. "Jason wants to continue his media career, so he'd want to go to a club that's going to give him flexibility in doing that but, obviously, with some guidelines. That'd be important because that's the path he wants to go down after footy. So he'd want to continue doing that."
Olarenshaw said talks would begin with Brisbane next week about the future of Akermanis, who is contracted for next year.
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Looks like we will not trade our no.18 or no.20 draft pick to brisbane which is great news for me since the club is rebuilding
FO, if the Bombers take Akers & pay him $400,000 a year, they can do it without my membership, that's crap. :thumbsd:
I'm actually quite torn.
On one hand I don't believe in Priority Pick's and that they shouldn't be available, ever, and that the Bombers have always survived quite well without them, I wouldn't mind trading it for Aker as I believe he would help us play finals which would add excellent experience to our young core.
On the other hand it would be hard trading a pick the would "potentially" net us a 150-200+ game player for someone who has just 4-5 year left in him.
If we do have picks 18 and 20 after this weekend we should be asking ourselves how confident we are of nailing pick 20 if we do indeed want to trade pick 18 to Brisbane
Longy413
31 Aug 2006, 10:40
That's pushing it a bit isn't it?
I would have though $400,000 for him is about fair given the average wage (exluding 1st/2nd year players) is about $220,000.
Nuts4Bolts
31 Aug 2006, 10:59
$400,000g's is about right, just a bit reluctant to give up either a priority pick or 2nd rounder. Perhaps they could throw Sherman in as well to sweeten the deal:thumbsu: They could have our 2nd and 3rd round pick for that.
Pevers-Legend
31 Aug 2006, 11:22
Johns----Lloyd----Monfries
Lovett---Lucas---Akermanis
**** that'd be an awesome forward line.
where's Hird?
Pevers-Legend
31 Aug 2006, 11:26
$400,000g's is about right, just a bit reluctant to give up either a priority pick or 2nd rounder. Perhaps they could throw Sherman in as well to sweeten the deal:thumbsu: They could have our 2nd and 3rd round pick for that.
Brisbane have a lot of old retiring players -they would hardly throw away any of their promising kids like Sherman and Risc..... and Rowe and the likes.
We should be offering a 3rd rounder with a player not essential to us. Remember that Brisabne will have lost a lot of senior listed players by the start of next year. They will want some match hardened players to protect their youth me thinks.
also dangerous when McVeigh gets a run there and also when Hille/Laycock get a rest there every now and then, lots of good options next year
Nuts4Bolts
31 Aug 2006, 11:38
Brisbane have a lot of old retiring players -they would hardly throw away any of their promising kids like Sherman and Risc..... and Rowe and the likes.
We should be offering a 3rd rounder with a player not essential to us. Remember that Brisabne will have lost a lot of senior listed players by the start of next year. They will want some match hardened players to protect their youth me thinks.
Gee, relax Pevers. It was a joke. Or maybe we could swap Pevrill for Aker. Pev could replace a retiring Voss.
where's Hird?
waiting on the bench to be the ultimate burst player?
FO, if the Bombers take Akers & pay him $400,000 a year, they can do it without my membership, that's crap. :thumbsd:
goodbye then.
blumfieldisback
31 Aug 2006, 13:05
id give aker a 3 year deal worth 300,000 a year base plus incentives otherwise forget it.
The HUN and Ch. 9 could pay him some more
go_the_bombers
31 Aug 2006, 13:17
The HUN and Ch. 9 could pay him some more
Good point
don4eva
31 Aug 2006, 14:14
I just thought he may play more in the midfield at Ess than elsewhere. Your foward line is your strength(Lloyd, Lucas, Hird and potentially Aker), while IMO it's your midfield that is your weakness (ironic considering you murdered us in the midfield).
I'd say it's our defense that's the weakness rather then the midfield.
Our midfielders have done really well and have been very competitive this season. No doubt we will look at a couple of good midfielders in the draft though.
mcphee_is_a_gun
31 Aug 2006, 15:55
where's Hird?
in the midfield where he plays his best footy.
I understand its all media speculation, but its beginning to look more likely that we're the front runners for Aker. Im not fussed either way...without him, we have the tools to go forward, albeit inclusive of some quality draft picks..yet with him, he would certainly add some arsenal in terms of goals and run through the middle. Aker alone could add more bums on seats and more importantly memberships also.
TheBrownDog
31 Aug 2006, 21:15
Lloydy just stated plain as day on White Line that draft picks will be offered for Aker, not players.
Darealrath
31 Aug 2006, 21:22
Lloydy just stated plain as day on White Line that draft picks will be offered for Aker, not players.
Bloody hell they're going to have to take Lloydy out of the loop if he keeps up this honesty business (well, unless he's lying...).
Big John
31 Aug 2006, 21:24
I don't think Lloydy would have that much say on what is offered for Aker. I would've thought his biggest role would be, yes would be good, the playing group wants him.
That's a guess though.
Still wanting Aker to come and give us strength in the midfiled/forwards.
I really think we will regret getting him, I said the same about stupido & got howled down on here for that as well, turned out I was right on that call, I don't want it to happen again, especially giving away a good pick & paying that high a salary.
Longy413
31 Aug 2006, 23:42
What's to regret about getting Cupido?
What's to regret about getting Cupido?
He was a waste of space. If you have been listening to Akers, he wants to come to melbourne as it has more opportunities for his media career outside of football, I sense that he is going to be more interested in pursuing his career after footy, than performing on the field.
The guy is a self obsessed tool & I'd rather he go elsewhere.
dodgyJim
1 Sep 2006, 00:43
We basically got Cupido for nothing and he kicked about 40 goals in his first season didn't he?
I think it was a bargain and a great trade. Unfortunately his wheels fell off.
No regrets about picking him up, my only regret is for Cupido himself because the twat never realised how good he could've been.
We basically got Cupido for nothing and he kicked about 40 goals in his first season didn't he?
I think it was a bargain and a great trade. Unfortunately his wheels fell off.
No regrets about picking him up, my only regret is for Cupido himself because the twat never realised how good he could've been.
If you do a search on pre getting him, some on here were carrying on like he was the second coming, not a short lived prospect, same as Aker. I worry we won't even get one good year out of him. I would much prefer us picking up a kid, than a guy at the end of his career, especially one that's a tool, who could disrupt the whole side.
If the deal is pick 18 + mantis for Akermanis, I say no!
Seriously though, we've been bottom four for two years - how much could he disrupt us?
dodgyJim
1 Sep 2006, 02:13
He wasn't really a disruption to Brisbane until they started losing and needed to deflect attention.
Sure Aker can be a loud mouth but he can back it up on the field better than almost anyone I have ever seen.
OK guys, you think he will be great for us, I don't, I will bookmark this thread & bring it up in 12 months to see who was right.
dodgyJim
1 Sep 2006, 03:41
I can't decide if he will be good for us or not. Or even if I want him in the side.
I am concerned about maybe picking up another 30-odd year old body.
Let's face facts though. Lloyd, Hird, Fletcher, Lucas all in good shape and back next season. Add in McVeigh, Lovett, Stanton, Watson and hopefully the Johnsons and McPhee back into the form we know they are capable of. A bunch of the younger guys take a good step up and start performing.
All of a sudden we have a very different team, performance wise, from what we saw this year. Aker's skills will be a very good addition to the team.
Then again.....who knows!
If you think Aker is going to come to a club and not even try just so he can do media stuff I'd say you qare gravely mistaken.
Sure he says what he thinks, and it's usually the truth, but he's as proffessional as anyone and would work he's but off just like the next guy, he has 30 years after football to get bigger in the media
Longy413
1 Sep 2006, 09:25
OK guys, you think he will be great for us, I don't, I will bookmark this thread & bring it up in 12 months to see who was right.
Won't you be throwing in the towel if we get Aker anyway?
He's definately a good footballer and the difference between Aker and Cupido is that Aker actually works hard. He isn't lazy, he is a dedicated footballer and trys to get the best out of himself. That was Cupido's downfall in the end.
We already have a coach who has mouthed off for 20 odd years, he seems to go alright. Essendon have always been at their best when arrogance and self-belief are at their highest. Aker will bring that. But like many others I'm not sold on the idea, I can see the positives, but at 29 he's a gamble.
Like Sheeds said, they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't at least talk to him and that's alll they've done at this stage.
As for Cupido, we traded away Caracella. We got as much out of Cupido as Brisbane did out of Blake. Blake did play in a flag, but that was more good fortune than his own output. Cupido was an extreme talent and that's what had everyone excited, no one was in a position to speculate on his dedication. For 12 months the excitement was justified. Lets not forget we also got Adam McPhee and pick 17 in the deal (which was traded to Melbourne for Heff and the Jason Laycock pick). No regrets getting Cupido, he was always the bonus that may or may not have come off.
blumfieldisback
1 Sep 2006, 09:53
look i think he could offer us valuable on field leadership, he will start the club off in the right direction and have them talking the talk, wonderful self confidence again. He is very disciplined when it comes to training surely this will rub off. He isn't a passenger either and plays old school footy, kicking it long and accurate. I think he is better theb Bewick and Bewick was very handy in 2000 off the bench, aker still has 3 years good footy before getting to this stage.
At the history of the draft, not to man players that are picked up after pick 15 are superstars, there is the odd exception (eg goodes), so id be perapared to trade pick 20 and give him performance based contract (max 350,000), within this contract he would have to play 30 games (14 games without injury)within the next 2 years to be able to sign on for a third. I dont have a problem with him doing media as long as it doesn't conflict the club in any shape or form ie 1st round he queried Matthews coaching methods.
D Mitchell
1 Sep 2006, 11:23
I read that Lloyd said on White Line Fever that Brisbane is only interested in early draft picks for Akermanis. I also read in some other thread that Essendon is interested in stocking up on early picks for this draft. Both make sense to me because both clubs need quality young players who will replace their ageing stars. If both are true, Akermanis is unlikely to get to Essendon.
From the point of view of the supporter of an opposition club, I'd be happy to see Essendon give up early picks to get Akermanis. Whilst he could make an impact for the next two years, Essendon isn't likely to seriously challange during that time. It's the next period of serious challange that Essendon should be planning for and that won't be during Akermanis' productive time left.
dodgyJim
1 Sep 2006, 12:33
I think Melbourne will go hard for Aker. He would be a perfect addition to their team where they are currently situated to make a charge at a flag next season.
Brisbane want early picks for Aker, I don't see them having a leg to stand on really. If clubs stand tight and don't offer them early picks what are they going to do? They can't just keep him on the list and not play him, well they could but it would stretch their salary cap and they have one less player to choose from every week.
I think the Lions are very much on the back foot here.
I read that Lloyd said on White Line Fever that Brisbane is only interested in early draft picks for Akermanis. I also read in some other thread that Essendon is interested in stocking up on early picks for this draft. Both make sense to me because both clubs need quality young players who will replace their ageing stars. If both are true, Akermanis is unlikely to get to Essendon.
From the point of view of the supporter of an opposition club, I'd be happy to see Essendon give up early picks to get Akermanis. Whilst he could make an impact for the next two years, Essendon isn't likely to seriously challange during that time. It's the next period of serious challange that Essendon should be planning for and that won't be during Akermanis' productive time left.
This is the bit i find interesting, everyone is simply writing us off (and for good reason if you look at results) for the next few years. I dont think it is time for us to pull the total rebuild as strange as it sounds.
We have a small window while we still have LLoyd, Lucas,Fletcher and co to push for the top if we add a few players. The basic problem with our list hasnt been the top end players it has been the middle tier players who simply have flopped big time. If we can add Aker and a couple more experienced players to gill this gap the turn around could be rather quick for a few years.
There is no doubt that we will need a good solid rebuild of our list but it does seem to me to be a waste if we use the last years of Lloyd, Lucas,Fletcher ,Mark Johnson , Jason Johnson and Hird battling along outside the eight and not looking like a finals hope when we can try adding some decent experience to our list and having one last crack.
And before everyone jumps up and down no this doesnt include trading our first pick.
He was a waste of space. If you have been listening to Akers, he wants to come to melbourne as it has more opportunities for his media career outside of football, I sense that he is going to be more interested in pursuing his career after footy, than performing on the field.
The guy is a self obsessed tool & I'd rather he go elsewhere.
Dont get too sucked in by the way the southern media reports him. Most of the stuff you read about him outside Brisbane is usually taken way out of context.
My brother brought down some tapes of his TV appearence on ten and his articles last year for me to look at and to be honest after watching and reading them all most of the time he doesnt take himself too seriously at all.
I have no doubt at all that his preperation and training will be 120% no matter how much media he does. that side of it was never in question.
I can take him or leave him. If he come great if he goes elsewhere then so be it.
Abort mission! Abort Mission!
Read previously that Akermanis started making trouble when Lions were losing.
We are second bottom on the ladder.
Please let us take the best available kids with our draft choices.
The only scenarios where I would accept Aker is if we trade players such as Solomon, Peverill or Bolton + a late pick or if we get him PSD.
Campo and Cole hasnt worked this year- still time granted but surely we can feast on a bountiful draft.
Abort mission! Abort Mission!
Read previously that Akermanis started making trouble when Lions were losing.
We are second bottom on the ladder.
Please let us take the best available kids with our draft choices.
The only scenarios where I would accept Aker is if we trade players such as Solomon, Peverill or Bolton + a late pick or if we get him PSD.
Campo and Cole hasnt worked this year- still time granted but surely we can feast on a bountiful draft.
No Brisbane only seemed to have a problem with his comments once they started losing.
Aker dug his own grave by digging his heels in and refusing to accept the double standards.
No Brisbane only seemed to have a problem with his comments once they started losing.
Aker dug his own grave by digging his heels in and refusing to accept the double standards.Brisbane had a problem with what he was saying this year because he began speaking negatively about the club and was essentially having a go at the coach. Previously when he made his opinion heard, it was about other issues, generally not regarding Brisbane. So initially it was in fact Aker's fault.
Brisbane had a problem with what he was saying this year because he began speaking negatively about the club and was essentially having a go at the coach. Previously when he made his opinion heard, it was about other issues, generally not regarding Brisbane. So initially it was in fact Aker's fault.
He only had a go at the club after the club sanctioned him the first time around. The whole thing blew up because Aker commented that in one game they hadnt used their midfield rotations as smartly as they could have in his opinion.
The whole thing is about a personality clash with Matthews. Odds are if he was being coached by a Sheedy, Wallace or Daniher type coach it would have been laughed of the first time around and it wouldnt have esculated.
Not having a go at Matthews at all by the way as he is a great coach but it his his style along with Akers stubborn streak that has snowballed it all.Neither will back down and say they where wrong about it.
D Mitchell
1 Sep 2006, 20:00
This is the bit i find interesting, everyone is simply writing us off (and for good reason if you look at results) for the next few years. I dont think it is time for us to pull the total rebuild as strange as it sounds.
We have a small window while we still have LLoyd, Lucas,Fletcher and co to push for the top if we add a few players. ....Rating Essendon as being unable to seriously challange isn't writing it off. The topping up theory to take advantage of Hird-Fletcher-Lloyd-Lucas-Johnson might even get Essendon into the final 8 but that's not seriously challanging. The last few years of gradual decline illustrates the futility of short term planning for immediate success defined by playing finals. To seriously challange, a club needs a few real stars. Where is Essendon going to get them ? Hird-Fletcher-Lloyd-Lucas-Johnson aren't going to be around much longer and are nowhere near what they were 5 years ago. There are 3 sources
1. early draft picks
2. father son
3. extraordinary luck/forsight in picking gems from picks 20 +.
Hird-Fletcher-Lloyd-Lucas-Johnson replacements are going to come from 1 or 2.
gPhonque
1 Sep 2006, 20:24
I'd love to have Aker in the side.
He'd be great for some of our younger midfielders.
He'll slot in very nicely.
Yes please.
And besides, I'd love to see what could happen with Aker and Sheedy.... could be extremely entertaining at the very least. :)
Bring it on I say!
blumfieldisback
2 Sep 2006, 09:21
id say as good as ours now we have extra pick, we will trade pick 20 for him.
F@#& the priority pick, we've never needed them in the past
F@#& the priority pick, we've never needed them in the past
What a ridiculous statement. We have finished bottom 4 in concurrent years. We certainly need everything we can get. What we dont need is another 30 year old with a limited playing career. We need young, quick onballers we can build a team around.
The importance of the pp is just that we can still take a 2nd round kid as well as picking up aker and thats a pretty nice scenario for a club that has a fair way to go in 2007. I wonder what kind of player sheeds will be going for with 2nd round pick id think it would be perhaps the best midfielder available at that point.
What a ridiculous statement. We have finished bottom 4 in concurrent years. We certainly need everything we can get. What we dont need is another 30 year old with a limited playing career. We need young, quick onballers we can build a team around.
say its ridiculous all you want
We need a tone of things to go our way and its not just about putting 30 kids on the list. We have a lot of good young players already and if we had a good year injury wise we would have won 6-7 games.
We'll be adding plenty of young talent this year with picks 2, 20 ect, through in someone who could help us play finals and get the players finals experience and this team can grow faster than most.
I believe Aker is as fit as anyone and has 5 years left in him, he'll certainly help us play finals in that time, and we'd grow as a team
Premiership Quarter
2 Sep 2006, 12:01
You just keep telling yourself that. I am happy Essendon is going for Aker because it's a backwards move...come on pick up a quality kid and look to the future.
Rating Essendon as being unable to seriously challange isn't writing it off. The topping up theory to take advantage of Hird-Fletcher-Lloyd-Lucas-Johnson might even get Essendon into the final 8 but that's not seriously challanging. The last few years of gradual decline illustrates the futility of short term planning for immediate success defined by playing finals. To seriously challange, a club needs a few real stars. Where is Essendon going to get them ? Hird-Fletcher-Lloyd-Lucas-Johnson aren't going to be around much longer and are nowhere near what they were 5 years ago. There are 3 sources
1. early draft picks
2. father son
3. extraordinary luck/forsight in picking gems from picks 20 +.
Hird-Fletcher-Lloyd-Lucas-Johnson replacements are going to come from 1 or 2.
People tend to overstate the top up theory, they seem to think that just because we have added one or two older blokes every year that we dont draft kids. The fact is we dont do it any more than other clubs. If you look through the lists of all clubs you will find a number of them with more players from other clubs than us. We tend to turn a few over, Murphy, Allen and Zantcuk left. Campo, Heff and Cole came. We still added 5 kids from the national draft and 4 kids on the rookie list last year.
We can still use our number one pick this year. It wont be traded.
I agree that our list needs rebuilding but when do we start? do we try and play finals in the twilight years of our top players or simply start now?
You say that Lucas, Lloyd,Fletcher and Hird are not near what they where 5 years ago well i would argue differently. Yes Hird isnt. Lloyd may well not be coming off a second injury interupted year but Lucas and Fletcher have played as good as they ever have this year.
I doubt if we could win a GF but i feel it may well be a waste over the next three years if we dont try and play finals while we have these older blokes at the club.
Should be trying to play finals every year IMO, does wonders for any teams list. Sydney played in how many finals before they won it? WCE have made it for a few years and are getting close, Adelaide and St. Kilda will be the same.
We will be adding plenty of more young talent in this years draft and PSD, we need to start winning as much as we can to build a winning culture into this current team
go_the_bombers
2 Sep 2006, 12:27
Should be trying to play finals every year IMO, does wonders for any teams list. Sydney played in how many finals before they won it? WCE have made it for a few years and are getting close, Adelaide and St. Kilda will be the same.
We will be adding plenty of more young talent in this years draft and PSD, we need to start winning as much as we can to build a winning culture into this current team
So true! a winning culture is the best culture ;) :p