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Wells or Walker? Wells of course, just want to prove to Carlton fans that there is in fact no hope, and no future...
Jeremias
2 Sep 2006, 11:16
What are you asking?
Who we would prefer, who has had the better season, who is the better player, who will be the better player, or who is the more over rated?
And for all of them, I say Walker. I feel sorry for Wells so he can have the last one, the more over-rated player.
So I vote Walker.
What are you asking?
Who we would prefer, who has had the better season, who is the better player, who will be the better player, or who is the more over rated?
And for all of them, I say Walker. I feel sorry for Wells so he can have the last one, the more over-rated player.
So I vote Walker.
Bwahahaha, based on what?
Bwahahaha, based on what?
Laidley inability to get the best out of Wells.
As I said before this thread got wiped, these are different players at different ages at different levels of development and are from different drafts. Why are we comparing them?
Babe Ruth
6 Oct 2006, 12:53
Walker
foxdoog50
6 Oct 2006, 14:30
I go for Warlker
TheGeneral
6 Oct 2006, 14:39
Unlike Walker, Wells is too inconsistent playing for a crap side and playing for a club that is on the road to extinction.
Walker has more to offer longterm and can play anywhere.
blangerang
6 Oct 2006, 14:43
Andrew?
Tristan?
James?
The Zebra
6 Oct 2006, 14:47
Unlike Walker, Wells is too inconsistent playing for a crap side and playing for a club that is on the road to extinction.
.
Coming from anyone other than a Carlton supporter, and that might be funny.
As it stands, it is just sad.
blangerang
6 Oct 2006, 15:09
Coming from anyone other than a Carlton supporter, and that might be funny.
As it stands, it is just sad.
Yeah, coming from the person who's team is hot favourites to win the next 3 spoons
The Zebra
6 Oct 2006, 15:18
Yeah, coming from the person who's team is hot favourites to win the next 3 spoons
We have been hot favourites to win the last 10 spoons I reckon.
That kind of favourtism is nothing new, but it hasn't happened.
This year was the closet we have come in ages, and we still had double the wins if the eventual sppon winner.
Shiit, we had as many wins in our horror 2006 as the Blues have had over the last two years!!
Now THAT is funny.
Different players, Wells is a HFF playing out of position, Walker is a tagger/HBF. I'll say Wells because I feel that he is more dangerous with his posesions. Ask yourself, if someone was kicking the ball to your main forward to win the game, who would you rather it be, Wells or Walker? Wells for me.
And even though he has been injured, Wells still racks up decent figures.
If Walker was tagged once in his carear, you one-eyed Blues supporters would get just a taste of what Wellsy goes through EVERY week. People wonder why Wells hasn't delivered on his potential. The answer is simple. It's nearly impossible to develope into a superstar when your tagged from your first game of AFL footy. I know this is gonna get a lot of backlash, but its the unfortunate truth. Wells>Walker
fridige's failures
7 Oct 2006, 11:19
Marc Murphy gets tagged ever week and what has he done?
Wells, like the kangaroos have no future. if their first round pick is a dud, they will not be in the competition in a few years.
north's good players are old, carlton's good players are young
Walker>Wells,Harris, (do you guys have another good young player)
sput1956
7 Oct 2006, 11:36
Staggering.
Jeremias
7 Oct 2006, 11:41
Wells or Walker? Wells of course, just want to prove to Carlton fans that there is in fact no hope, and no future...
HAHAHAHAHA.
Methiks its ime to eat some humle pie!
It's true, Walker is better than Wells, pity Roos fans can't admit it.
You are right, there is no future for the Roos.
:D :D :D
Jeremias
7 Oct 2006, 11:42
Staggering.
Sure is staggering that such a large amount actually voted for Wells.
Silly, deluded people.
:D :D :D
Silly, deluded people.
Something I'd respect your knowledge of.
Marc Murphy gets tagged ever week and what has he done?
Wells, like the kangaroos have no future. if their first round pick is a dud, they will not be in the competition in a few years.
north's good players are old, carlton's good players are young
Walker>Wells,Harris, (do you guys have another good young player)Medication time.Off you go.
blangerang
7 Oct 2006, 23:19
Medication time.Off you go.
Jealousy is a virtue
Wells 2 top 5 finishes in the BnF in a HIGHER team than the Blues and yet he has been crap.
Walker never gets tagged, never averaged over 18 possies a game, and has never finished top 5 in a team that has to be the worst in a while.
Wells is so much better its not funny.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Methiks its ime to eat some humle pie!
It's true, Walker is better than Wells, pity Roos fans can't admit it.
You are right, there is no future for the Roos.
:D :D :D
Is Walker better than Wells?
Someone prove it to me with FACTS.
Jeremias
7 Oct 2006, 23:29
Is Walker better than Wells?
Someone prove it to me with FACTS.
No, the BF public thik Walker is better than Wells. You need to prove us wrong.
If you can't, that's ok. Just be happy that Daniel is a good player, but admit Walker is better. You are just so bitter about it...is this because you can't handle the truth. There is no shame being worse than Andrew Walker, trust me.
Wells this year had more:
* Possies
* Clearances
* Inside 50's
* Goals
* First Possesions
* Tackles
* 1%ers
* More bounces
He also finished in the Top 2 in the Best and Fairest at a stronger club than Carlton for that year.
So Wells had a better season than Walker this year, ah but you Carlton fans dribble about this potential stuff eh?
Lets compare Wells V Walker at the same age and same season then huh?
Wells at the same age as Walker had more:
* Possies
* Clearances
* Inside 50's
* Tackles
* Goals
* Equal 1%ers
* First possesions
* Bounces
So:
* Statistically had a better year than Walker, this year and last year.
* Polled higher in the Best and Fairest.
* Polled more Brownlow votes, Wells polled 8 in the last two years and I'm sure Walker hasnt come close to that.
* And rates higher on Champion Data stats.
And whats this potential bull****? Wells is only 1 year older and was less developed than Walker when he first came in. He only weighed 70 kgs, FFS stop dribbling this BS, Wells has just as much as improving left as Andrew Walker.
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=103&pid1=2004017&tid2=110&pid2=2003038
Jeremias
8 Oct 2006, 00:03
Wells this year had more:
* Possies
* Clearances
* Inside 50's
* Goals
* First Possesions
* Tackles
* 1%ers
* More bounces
He also finished in the Top 2 in the Best and Fairest at a stronger club than Carlton for that year.
So Wells had a better season than Walker this year, ah but you Carlton fans dribble about this potential stuff eh?
Lets compare Wells V Walker at the same age and same season then huh?
Wells at the same age as Walker had more:
* Possies
* Clearances
* Inside 50's
* Tackles
* Goals
* Equal 1%ers
* First possesions
* Bounces
So:
* Statistically had a better year than Walker, this year and last year.
* Polled higher in the Best and Fairest.
* Polled more Brownlow votes, Wells polled 8 in the last two years and I'm sure Walker hasnt come close to that.
* And rates higher on Champion Data stats.
And whats this potential bull****? Wells is only 1 year older and was less developed than Walker when he first came in. He only weighed 70 kgs, FFS stop dribbling this BS, Wells has just as much as improving left as Andrew Walker.
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=103&pid1=2004017&tid2=110&pid2=2003038
So your argument is stats based, huh. *Throws credibility of your argument out the window*
Stats are meaningless in the game in this day and age.
He finished higher in a different club's B+F award, so therefore he is better? Please tell me you are joking. Different voting system, different club, different players...need I continue? :rolleyes:
Polled more Brownlow votes. So what? Did Pearce have a better year than Fevola? Nope. Brownlow votes are meaningless, they are awarded by the umpires and is becoming awarded to the player who is noticed more by the umps. Hardly credible backing for your argument.
Champion data stats? Please, stop embarrassing yourself :o
They play different positions, so of course their statistics are going to be different. That does not mean Wells has had a better year than Walker. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.
Walker was more developed than Wells when he first came into the league. My friend, you are no longer talking out of your mouth. Part of the reason why you amongst others criticize Walker is because he was incredibly raw when he first debuted. Yet you cry when Wells is criticized for the same thing? LOL.
Just look at the improvement over the last 2 seasons of both players. Walker has improved a hell of a lot more than Wells over this period. That is a fact. You don't need stats to see that. Just watch the games.
Wells has been disappointing over the last few years, don't dispute that. e is so far failing to live up to the huge expectations placed on him by the media and Kangaroos supporters. Walker, on the other hand, well, his development is obvious. Is blossoming into a star. Wells is stagnating, Walker is on the improve.
Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Walker is better than Wells ATM. The vast majority of unbiased supporters can recognise this fact. Pity you can't.
So your argument is stats based, huh. *Throws credibility of your argument out the window*
Stats are meaningless in the game in this day and age.
He finished higher in a different club's B+F award, so therefore he is better? Please tell me you are joking. Different voting system, different club, different players...need I continue? :rolleyes:
Polled more Brownlow votes. So what? Did Pearce have a better year than Fevola? Nope. Brownlow votes are meaningless, they are awarded by the umpires and is becoming awarded to the player who is noticed more by the umps. Hardly credible backing for your argument.
Champion data stats? Please, stop embarrassing yourself :o
They play different positions, so of course their statistics are going to be different. That does not mean Wells has had a better year than Walker. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.
Walker was more developed than Wells when he first came into the league. My friend, you are no longer talking out of your mouth. Part of the reason why you amongst others criticize Walker is because he was incredibly raw when he first debuted. Yet you cry when Wells is criticized for the same thing? LOL.
Just look at the improvement over the last 2 seasons of both players. Walker has improved a hell of a lot more than Wells over this period. That is a fact. You don't need stats to see that. Just watch the games.
Wells has been disappointing over the last few years, don't dispute that. e is so far failing to live up to the huge expectations placed on him by the media and Kangaroos supporters. Walker, on the other hand, well, his development is obvious. Is blossoming into a star. Wells is stagnating, Walker is on the improve.
Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Walker is better than Wells ATM. The vast majority of unbiased supporters can recognise this fact. Pity you can't.
Gee, if you cant base it on stats, Brownlow votes, B+F's.etc etc...
What the **** can you vote it on?
Opinion?
You are a goose, I showed you evidence and all yet you vote with OPINION.
You still havent shown me facts, only opinion.
Wells has better stats, better B+F ratings, more highly rated in the AFL (Not Bigfooty fans), gets more B Votes...etc.
What else do you want?
Gee, if you cant base it on stats, Brownlow votes, B+F's.etc etc...
What the **** can you vote it on?
Opinion?
You are a goose, I showed you evidence and all yet you vote with OPINION.
You still havent shown me facts, only opinion.
Wells has better stats, better B+F ratings, more highly rated in the AFL (Not Bigfooty fans), gets more B Votes...etc.
What else do you want?
Oh I agree Wells hasnt been what I expected.
Doesnt mean crap in this argument, he still produces better figures than Walker.
Case closed.
So your argument is stats based, huh. *Throws credibility of your argument out the window*
You want me to base it on opinions then?
What else can you argue with you idiot.
Stats are meaningless in the game in this day and age.
Not important stats like clearances, Best and Fairest results etc.
He finished higher in a different club's B+F award, so therefore he is better? Please tell me you are joking. Different voting system, different club, different players...need I continue? :rolleyes:
He has polled better in every year he has been at the Roos. If he did beat him once maybe it was coincidence.
Wells has beaten Walker in their respective B+F's in EVERY BLOODY YEAR. What more do you want?
Polled more Brownlow votes. So what? Did Pearce have a better year than Fevola? Nope. Brownlow votes are meaningless, they are awarded by the umpires and is becoming awarded to the player who is noticed more by the umps. Hardly credible backing for your argument.
So what? just deemed better by umpires.
So now we know the umps think Wells has been better over the last 3-4 years.
Champion data stats? Please, stop embarrassing yourself :o
Why?
It shows effectiveness more than anything else.
This proves Wells is much more effective in the way he plays footy.
They play different positions, so of course their statistics are going to be different. That does not mean Wells has had a better year than Walker. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.
Nearly ALL statistics are better, not just this year, but every year he has played.
Not once has Walker had a better year than Daniel Wells on statistics and Best and Fairest counts, not one.
Walker was more developed than Wells when he first came into the league. My friend, you are no longer talking out of your mouth. Part of the reason why you amongst others criticize Walker is because he was incredibly raw when he first debuted. Yet you cry when Wells is criticized for the same thing? LOL.
Wells weighed 70 kgs when he came down, did not have much muscle or weight at all. What were Walkers stats on weight?
Just look at the improvement over the last 2 seasons of both players. Walker has improved a hell of a lot more than Wells over this period. That is a fact. You don't need stats to see that. Just watch the games.
Thats because Walker was dreadful when he first started. Had a poor first 2 years than backed it up with a good 3rd year. Wells had a good first year, great second year, ok 3rd year and a good fouth year. Much better and consistent than Walker has been.
Wells has been disappointing over the last few years, don't dispute that. e is so far failing to live up to the huge expectations placed on him by the media and Kangaroos supporters. Walker, on the other hand, well, his development is obvious. Is blossoming into a star. Wells is stagnating, Walker is on the improve.
Yet Wells has statistically, and in the BnFs and in the umps view, heck in nearly everyones view been better than Walker.
In every category.
Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Walker is better than Wells ATM. The vast majority of unbiased supporters can recognise this fact. Pity you can't.[/quote]
Dunno why I bother sometimes...
So your argument is stats based, huh. *Throws credibility of your argument out the window*
Stats are meaningless in the game in this day and age.
He finished higher in a different club's B+F award, so therefore he is better? Please tell me you are joking. Different voting system, different club, different players...need I continue? :rolleyes:
Polled more Brownlow votes. So what? Did Pearce have a better year than Fevola? Nope. Brownlow votes are meaningless, they are awarded by the umpires and is becoming awarded to the player who is noticed more by the umps. Hardly credible backing for your argument.
Champion data stats? Please, stop embarrassing yourself :o
They play different positions, so of course their statistics are going to be different. That does not mean Wells has had a better year than Walker. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.
Walker was more developed than Wells when he first came into the league. My friend, you are no longer talking out of your mouth. Part of the reason why you amongst others criticize Walker is because he was incredibly raw when he first debuted. Yet you cry when Wells is criticized for the same thing? LOL.
Just look at the improvement over the last 2 seasons of both players. Walker has improved a hell of a lot more than Wells over this period. That is a fact. You don't need stats to see that. Just watch the games.
Wells has been disappointing over the last few years, don't dispute that. e is so far failing to live up to the huge expectations placed on him by the media and Kangaroos supporters. Walker, on the other hand, well, his development is obvious. Is blossoming into a star. Wells is stagnating, Walker is on the improve.
Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Walker is better than Wells ATM. The vast majority of unbiased supporters can recognise this fact. Pity you can't.
Wells has been dissapointing for the last few years? How many is that hes only been around for a couple, and im sure if he was "that" dissapointing for the majority of his career then hed be delisted.
Walker doesnt get tagged, and doesnt brake games.
Its like comparing Chris Judd and Heath Scotland.
No, the BF public thik Walker is better than Wells. You need to prove us wrong.
If you can't, that's ok. Just be happy that Daniel is a good player, but admit Walker is better. You are just so bitter about it...is this because you can't handle the truth. There is no shame being worse than Andrew Walker, trust me.
Scoreboard mate:D
sherminator
8 Oct 2006, 17:40
Wells. Barely.
Dj Chriss
8 Oct 2006, 19:22
lol walker is the most overrated player going around, how can he be a top 2 draft pick and not be able to kick?? his disposal is terrible, wells by about the size of carltons debts :D
Funkalicous
8 Oct 2006, 20:27
I've watched every one of Walker's games and I can tell you there's nothing wrong with his kicking. He'll miss targets as many players do, but his technique is textbook. And fortunately for us, he's one of the few genuine dual-sided kickers in the AFL.
TheGeneral
8 Oct 2006, 20:33
lol walker is the most overrated player going around, how can he be a top 2 draft pick and not be able to kick?? his disposal is terrible, wells by about the size of carltons debts :D
Malthouse said Dale Thomas's kicking need work and which pick did you use to draft him?
He can't kick and he is unaccountable for his direct opponent.
How does a player who can't kick win a B & F ahead of Buckley?
Don't start me on the basketballer you drafted at five.
TheGeneral
8 Oct 2006, 20:36
Wells has been dissapointing for the last few years? How many is that hes only been around for a couple, and im sure if he was "that" dissapointing for the majority of his career then hed be delisted.
Walker doesnt get tagged, and doesnt brake games.
Its like comparing Chris Judd and Heath Scotland.
How many players break open games playing in defence for a wooden spoon side?
Can Wells play on or beat players like Robertson or Croad as well as a Shannon Grant and Davey?
Walker.
davey_magik
8 Oct 2006, 20:49
How many players break open games playing in defence for a wooden spoon side?
Can Wells play on or beat players like Robertson or Croad as well as a Shannon Grant and Davey?
Walker.
Davey kicked 3 on Walker and Grant 5, though I get your point.
I'd have Wells on *potential* but Walker at the moment.
Walker does mung a few kicks, but it isn't that as much as it is his decision making which I think needs fixing.
trueblue_91
8 Oct 2006, 21:20
Davey kicked 3 on Walker and Grant 5, though I get your point.
I'd have Wells on *potential* but Walker at the moment.
Walker does mung a few kicks, but it isn't that as much as it is his decision making which I think needs fixing.
Cant remember 100% but he has also had hes days too. Gave Robertson a bath and played well against freo and a few more.
Both players have huge potential especially wells but we havnt seen eitehr player at their best yet only glimpses. Would like to see them both have injury free seasons and play in the midfield were they both belong
Coughlan
8 Oct 2006, 21:26
i would take wells, unlike walker he has the ability to kick the ball and hit a target
I'd rather my Pick 2 win me games than tag other blokes.
But thats my preference.
Jeremias
8 Oct 2006, 21:52
I'd rather my Pick 2 win me games than tag other blokes.
But thats my preference.
So will you think that Walker is better than Wells next year when the Blues finish above the Roos.
I don't think you will, somehow.
Don't talk bull****. :thumbsu:
Come back when Wells actually nullifies a star's influence on a game whilst having a big one himself :thumbsu:
That might keep CrazyQ off BugFooty for years! :D
So will you think that Walker is better than Wells next year when the Blues finish above the Roos.
I don't think you will, somehow.
Don't talk bull****. :thumbsu:
Come back when Wells actually nullifies a star's influence on a game whilst having a big one himself :thumbsu:
That might keep CrazyQ off BugFooty for years! :D
Show me a game where Walker has had 25 possies and nullified an opponent?
Come back when Walker getmore stats, Best and Fairest ratings, Brownlow votes and nearly everything elsein footy.
i would take wells, unlike walker he has the ability to kick the ball and hit a target
Very true my friend.
And to the Carlton Mod, cant believes its a mod, Walker can barely kick on his right foot, although he does use his left alot, it is no where near good.
Wells is dual sided also, but we dont care about these things, we care about what he has delivered ands thats more than Andrew Walker.
Who the hell is this walker bloke? :confused:
Jeremias
8 Oct 2006, 22:22
Show me a game where Walker has had 25 possies and nullified an opponent?
Come back when Walker getmore stats, Best and Fairest ratings, Brownlow votes and nearly everything elsein footy.
Didn't I tell you stats, B+F ratings, votes mean nothing in this argument.
And yet you dismiss the fact that on several occassions Walker has not only completely nullified the opposition, but also DESTROYED them? I wonder why...:rolleyes:
Geez, F...I mean CrazyQ, you are really starting to sound like another poster who hates Walker with a passion. What a coincidence he has gone missing :rolleyes:. Much like Wells in games...
Didn't I tell you stats, B+F ratings, votes mean nothing in this argument.
And yet you dismiss the fact that on several occassions Walker has not only completely nullified the opposition, but also DESTROYED them? I wonder why...:rolleyes:
Geez, F...I mean CrazyQ, you are really starting to sound like another poster who hates Walker with a passion. What a coincidence he has gone missing :rolleyes:. Much like Wells in games...
Like I said, if we cannot base it on neally all the stats in football, what can we base it on? Opinion? Not a good way to judge who the better player is.
You still havent shown me one game where Walker has DESTROYED an opponent while getting the ball himself over 25 times.
And if Wells goes missing in games, why does he average more possies than Walker? Does that mean Walker also goes missing?
Jeremias
8 Oct 2006, 22:42
Like I said, if we cannot base it on neally all the stats in football, what can we base it on? Opinion? Not a good way to judge who the better player is.
You still havent shown me one game where Walker has DESTROYED an opponent while getting the ball himself over 25 times.
And if Wells goes missing in games, why does he average more possies than Walker? Does that mean Walker also goes missing?
Impact on games. You can get as many possessions as you want, but if they do not have a good impact on the outcome of games they are useless. Possessions mean very little in this day and age. That is obvious.
Walker destroyed a few opponents this year. Just because he may have gotten under 25 possessions himself, does not mean he was no good. Since when has 25 possessions been the cut-off for a very good game? :rolleyes:
Different positions=different impact=different amount of possessions. Wells played in the middle, Walker didn't. I would be worried if Wells aeraged less disposals than Walker. Just because he got more possessions does in no way mean he was better. That is a very shallow argument. Of course, there is no deeper argument for your side to say that Wells is better than Walker, so you have to clutch at even the most shallow of arguments. That is just unfortunate for you. :thumbsu:
Impact on games. You can get as many possessions as you want, but if they do not have a good impact on the outcome of games they are useless. Possessions mean very little in this day and age. That is obvious.
Quality possesions dont, Wells also had more goal assists which he lead that stat for the Roos, I guess thats "nothing" too huh?
Wells gets the ball more forward of centre, thus is more effective and creates better chances for goals.
True, it's irrelevant that he gets more possies, clearances, inside 50's, polls higher in the Brownlow, more efficient and has more impact on games, but yeah...
Walker destroyed a few opponents this year. Just because he may have gotten under 25 possessions himself, does not mean he was no good. Since when has 25 possessions been the cut-off for a very good game?
You see, this is a pointless stat, who cares if he did well on 2-3 opponents, thats not Wellsys job, he is there to create attack for us and he does it better than Walker destoys an opponent.
You said Walker gets the pill and also stops his opponent, which game which opponent? Show me 3 games where he gets over 20 possies and stops his man from getting 20 aswell.
Bet you cant.
And you wont.
Different positions=different impact=different amount of possessions. Wells played in the middle, Walker didn't. I would be worried if Wells aeraged less disposals than Walker. Just because he got more possessions does in no way mean he was better. That is a very shallow argument. Of course, there is no deeper argument for your side to say that Wells is better than Walker, so you have to clutch at even the most shallow of arguments. That is just unfortunate for you.
Dont care about different possie BS, everyone in the comp is comparable,how do you think people make their top 50?
Wells has a much better kick than Walker, it's a fact, he gets the pill forward and creates more goal oppoutinities for the Roos than Walker does with the Blues.
Clutch? I tellyou what, ask any normal footy fan whats a better indication of a player.
Stats + Brownlow Votes + B+F ratings or Opinion.
I know which one will win.
And for everyone else, see how he cannot find 3 games this year that Walker has DESTROYED his man and got the pill 20 times?
Funny.
sput1956
8 Oct 2006, 22:54
All I would like to state is that I hope a particular 54 participants in this thread are the recruiting staff this season for the other 15 clubs.
Jeremias
8 Oct 2006, 23:43
Quality possesions dont, Wells also had more goal assists which he lead that stat for the Roos, I guess thats "nothing" too huh?
Wells gets the ball more forward of centre, thus is more effective and creates better chances for goals.
True, it's irrelevant that he gets more possies, clearances, inside 50's, polls higher in the Brownlow, more efficient and has more impact on games, but yeah...
You see, this is a pointless stat, who cares if he did well on 2-3 opponents, thats not Wellsys job, he is there to create attack for us and he does it better than Walker destoys an opponent.
You said Walker gets the pill and also stops his opponent, which game which opponent? Show me 3 games where he gets over 20 possies and stops his man from getting 20 aswell.
Bet you cant.
And you wont.
Dont care about different possie BS, everyone in the comp is comparable,how do you think people make their top 50?
Wells has a much better kick than Walker, it's a fact, he gets the pill forward and creates more goal oppoutinities for the Roos than Walker does with the Blues.
Clutch? I tellyou what, ask any normal footy fan whats a better indication of a player.
Stats + Brownlow Votes + B+F ratings or Opinion.
I know which one will win.
And for everyone else, see how he cannot find 3 games this year that Walker has DESTROYED his man and got the pill 20 times?
Funny.
Round 2-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 20 possies, Farmer 17.
Round 4-Carlton vs Hawthorn. Walker 21 possies. Opponents: Williams:8 possies, Croad 22 (murdered Lance-when Walker moved onto him he was very quiet)
Round 9-Carlton vs Adelaide. Walker 22 disposals, Bode 16
Round 10-Carlton vs Port Adelaide. Walker 22, Ebert 13/Mahoney 17
There's 4 in the first 10 rounds. Should I keep going? OK, I will.
Round 13-Carlton vs Brisbane. Walker 21, Harding 10/Brennan 8
Round 17-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 27, Farmer 13/Crowley 15
Round 18-Carlton vs Melbourne. Walker22, Robertson 10
Round 20-Carlton vs Richmond. Walker 20, Pettifer 18
Well there you go=8 times Walker was able to do this. You didn't think he would do it 4 :rolleyes:
Once again, I have proved you wrong. Just admit it one day :)
Try again:)
I believe the correct word for this circumstance is pwned :thumbsu:
So will you think that Walker is better than Wells next year when the Blues finish above the Roos.
I don't think you will, somehow.
Don't talk bull****. :thumbsu:
Come back when Wells actually nullifies a star's influence on a game whilst having a big one himself :thumbsu:
That might keep CrazyQ off BugFooty for years! :D
Why would we use Wells as a tagger? Taggers are mainly players with no overall strength's that cant break open games, thus proving our points.
Jeremias
8 Oct 2006, 23:45
In fact CrazyQ, you said 3 times. I proved you wrong in the first 9 rounds of the season, and showed that he managed to do it another 7 times!
How embarrassing for you :o
Pwned indeed :thumbsu:
Jeremias
8 Oct 2006, 23:46
Why would we use Wells as a tagger? Taggers are mainly players with no overall strength's that cant break open games, thus proving our points.
Umm, your point hasn't been proved. On the contrary, mine has. See the post above yours for the ultimate pwnage!
Bad luck, try again :)
Round 2-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 20 possies, Farmer 17.
Round 4-Carlton vs Hawthorn. Walker 21 possies. Opponents: Williams:8 possies, Croad 22 (murdered Lance-when Walker moved onto him he was very quiet)
Round 9-Carlton vs Adelaide. Walker 22 disposals, Bode 16
Round 10-Carlton vs Port Adelaide. Walker 22, Ebert 13/Mahoney 17
There's 4 in the first 10 rounds. Should I keep going? OK, I will.
Round 13-Carlton vs Brisbane. Walker 21, Harding 10/Brennan 8
Round 17-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 27, Farmer 13/Crowley 15
Round 18-Carlton vs Melbourne. Walker22, Robertson 10
Round 20-Carlton vs Richmond. Walker 20, Pettifer 18
Well there you go=8 times Walker was able to do this. You didn't think he would do it 4 :rolleyes:
Once again, I have proved you wrong. Just admit it one day :)
Try again:)
I believe the correct word for this circumstance is pwned :thumbsu:
How in the hell can you compare Walker's tagging abilities to Wells's game breaking ones? Point to one roll of film where you see Walker bust through the middle at break-neck speed and put it through the middle from 55. Walker is a good solid player, but Wells is in a different mould, and for that he is alot more damaging, and thus valuable.
Umm, your point hasn't been proved. On the contrary, mine has. See the post above yours for the ultimate pwnage!
Bad luck, try again :)
How does Walker getting 20+ touches help your team? He ranked 14th in the entire AFL for clangers, hes like Brady Rawlings for North, you cringe when he gets the ball to foot.
Jeremias
8 Oct 2006, 23:59
How in the hell can you compare Walker's tagging abilities to Wells's game breaking ones? Point to one roll of film where you see Walker bust through the middle at break-neck speed and put it through the middle from 55. Walker is a good solid player, but Wells is in a different mould, and for that he is alot more damaging, and thus valuable.
CrazyQ asked for it, I delivered. He must be embarrassed. :o
He has done it quite a few times, especially vs Melbourne. Of course you won't watch it though for fear of it being true. Wells does it more often because that is what his team requires him to do. We required Walker to play defensive and create opportunities many times, and that is what he did, plenty of times, as I have demonstrated.
Wells played as a midfielder, and is thus more valuable. You're right. Stevens was more valuable to us than Fevola...:rolleyes. Horrible logic.
CrazyQ asked for it, I delivered. He must be embarrassed. :o
He has done it quite a few times, especially vs Melbourne. Of course you won't watch it though for fear of it being true. Wells does it more often because that is what his team requires him to do. We required Walker to play defensive and create opportunities many times, and that is what he did, plenty of times, as I have demonstrated.
Wells played as a midfielder, and is thus more valuable. You're right. Stevens was more valuable to us than Fevola...:rolleyes. Horrible logic.
Lol you misread my logic, im not saying Wells is more valuable because hes a midfielder, hes more valuable because hes more damaging, alot more damaging.
Jeremias
9 Oct 2006, 00:03
How does Walker getting 20+ touches help your team? He ranked 14th in the entire AFL for clangers, hes like Brady Rawlings for North, you cringe when he gets the ball to foot.
How does our player getting the ball help us? Please tell me you are not seriously asking this...:o
Increased possessions usually lead to increased clangers. Just part of the game. Walker had clangers, but so does everyone. For the amount of clangers he had, the amount of times he put the ball to our advantage is more than sufficient. Of course, you wouldn't recognise this...that means Walker was good. :rolleyes:
I cringe? No I don't. I rise with excitement at another thrust forward into our forward line. Don't you? Maybe not, you're a North supporter, you may have different expectations of your team-but we expect to score and outscore the opponent. That's normally how you win a game of footy :thumbsu:
Jeremias
9 Oct 2006, 00:05
Lol you misread my logic, im not saying Wells is more valuable because hes a midfielder, hes more valuable because hes more damaging, alot more damaging.
So you need to be damaging to be valuable? :rolleyes:
I hope you are joking...:o
So you need to be damaging to be valuable? :rolleyes:
I hope you are joking...:o
Once again, you didnt read what i said... :rolleyes:
You are more valuable if you are more damaging, and if you disagree with that you are very stupid.
Round 2-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 20 possies, Farmer 17.
How many goals did Farmer kick?
Round 4-Carlton vs Hawthorn. Walker 21 possies. Opponents: Williams:8 possies, Croad 22 (murdered Lance-when Walker moved onto him he was very quiet)
How many goals did Williams have?
Round 9-Carlton vs Adelaide. Walker 22 disposals, Bode 16
Not A Grade
Round 10-Carlton vs Port Adelaide. Walker 22, Ebert 13/Mahoney 17
Not A Grade
There's 4 in the first 10 rounds. Should I keep going? OK, I will.
Round 13-Carlton vs Brisbane. Walker 21, Harding 10/Brennan 8
Who? Who are these players? I want good players that you speak of.
Round 17-Carlton vs Fremantle. Walker 27, Farmer 13/Crowley 15
You have mentioned 1 A Grade player the whole time.
Not looking good if Walker can only shut down average players.
Round 18-Carlton vs Melbourne. Walker22, Robertson 10
Robertson was playing with an injury, had a bad year.
Round 20-Carlton vs Richmond. Walker 20, Pettifer 18
Pettifer had 18 possies and Walker DESTROYED him?
Well there you go=8 times Walker was able to do this. You didn't think he would do it 4 :rolleyes:
Once again, I have proved you wrong. Just admit it one day :)
Try again:)
I believe the correct word for this circumstance is pwned :thumbsu:
Still havent shown me a game where Walker has DESTROYED an opponent while playing a great game.
The only players worthy are Williams and Robertson.
Round 17 Walker played in the middle mostly aswell.
Now, what is this pwn3d thing again?
CrazyQ asked for it, I delivered. He must be embarrassed. :o
He has done it quite a few times, especially vs Melbourne. Of course you won't watch it though for fear of it being true. Wells does it more often because that is what his team requires him to do. We required Walker to play defensive and create opportunities many times, and that is what he did, plenty of times, as I have demonstrated.
Wells played as a midfielder, and is thus more valuable. You're right. Stevens was more valuable to us than Fevola...:rolleyes. Horrible logic.
Walker did not DESTROY any of those opponents while dominating.
You stated Walker regularly does this, how is playing ok on average players got anything to dow ith this?
I could show you a game where Wells gets 17 possies and plays very well, but thats besides the point.
So in the end whats more vaulable?
Winning games or saving them?
Easy question isnt it Jerry?
Once again, you didnt read what i said... :rolleyes:
You are more valuable if you are more damaging, and if you disagree with that you are very stupid.
Hey, a Pick 2 tagging who has never finished top 5 in a rabble team is more vaulable than a kid at Pick 2 who has him covered in everything, even defensive side of the game (More 1%ers, more tackles etc) who has finished top 5 2 times in only 4 years.
Of course Walker is better, he is one of the leadingclanger kings in the comp.
How does our player getting the ball help us? Please tell me you are not seriously asking this...:o
Increased possessions usually lead to increased clangers. Just part of the game. Walker had clangers, but so does everyone. For the amount of clangers he had, the amount of times he put the ball to our advantage is more than sufficient. Of course, you wouldn't recognise this...that means Walker was good. :rolleyes:
I cringe? No I don't. I rise with excitement at another thrust forward into our forward line. Don't you? Maybe not, you're a North supporter, you may have different expectations of your team-but we expect to score and outscore the opponent. That's normally how you win a game of footy :thumbsu:
Walker has nearly double the errors Wells has and Wells has more possies.
Whats your excuse this time?
How does our player getting the ball help us? Please tell me you are not seriously asking this...:o
Increased possessions usually lead to increased clangers. Just part of the game. Walker had clangers, but so does everyone. For the amount of clangers he had, the amount of times he put the ball to our advantage is more than sufficient. Of course, you wouldn't recognise this...that means Walker was good. :rolleyes:
I cringe? No I don't. I rise with excitement at another thrust forward into our forward line. Don't you? Maybe not, you're a North supporter, you may have different expectations of your team-but we expect to score and outscore the opponent. That's normally how you win a game of footy :thumbsu:
Thats very rich coming from a team that has won 20 out of 110 games over the last 5 years, 5.5 wins a year, you sure do it well! :o
trueblue_91
9 Oct 2006, 18:36
So in the end whats more vaulable?
Winning games or saving them?
Easy question isnt it Jerry?
ask leo barry he did both
Wilbur35
9 Oct 2006, 19:48
Carlton supporters are kidding themselves. Wells by a street.
Benno_900
9 Oct 2006, 19:55
Is this a thread to see which poster can post the most in a row?
For the record, CrazyQ is leading with 5 posts in a row. :eek:
Is there really debate on this?
The only argument that the Blues fans are using is that because Walker improved by more this year, due to the fact he was pretty bad last year and despite the fact he is still inferior in every catergory, he must be better?
That is a really bad argument.
Why don't you just say Walker is going to tag Wells out of a game so is better?
And Rawlings is better than Judd by the same logic.
No-one would take Walker over Wells.
Jeremias
9 Oct 2006, 23:46
Walker did not DESTROY any of those opponents while dominating.
You stated Walker regularly does this, how is playing ok on average players got anything to dow ith this?
I could show you a game where Wells gets 17 possies and plays very well, but thats besides the point.
Oh, but that isn't what you asked me to do. You asked me to show you when Walker got more than 20 possessions and held his opponent to less.
I did.
It's very easy to change your argument when you have been proven wrong, isn't it CrazyQ? :)
Jeremias
9 Oct 2006, 23:47
Thats very rich coming from a team that has won 20 out of 110 games over the last 5 years, 5.5 wins a year, you sure do it well! :o
We are bad, and we admit that. Roos fans don't admit it.
See the difference?
Jeremias
9 Oct 2006, 23:51
Walker has nearly double the errors Wells has and Wells has more possies.
Whats your excuse this time?
Wells has more possies because he plays in the midfield.
I wouldn't have thought that would be such a hard concept to understand :o
The amount of pressure Walker is under, providing drive out of defense is immense. Is Wells the same? NO. Who do you expect to have more errors: a midfielder, or a running defender constantly under enormous pressure?
Jeremias
9 Oct 2006, 23:53
Once again, you didnt read what i said... :rolleyes:
You are more valuable if you are more damaging, and if you disagree with that you are very stupid.
More valuable=more damaging? Is Fletcher more valuable to the Eagles than Glass?
Definitely not.
You didn't think out that argument very well :rolleyes:
Wells has more possies because he plays in the midfield.
I wouldn't have thought that would be such a hard concept to understand :o
The amount of pressure Walker is under, providing drive out of defense is immense. Is Wells the same? NO. Who do you expect to have more errors: a midfielder, or a running defender constantly under enormous pressure?
Well Wellsy played a fair portion of his season running off the half backline, Wells doesnt get under enormous pressure mainly because of his high pace, and good skills, rarely is he tackled with the ball, Walker doesnt have the same luxury of evasion, i think thats a big factor.
Jeremias
9 Oct 2006, 23:55
Hey, a Pick 2 tagging who has never finished top 5 in a rabble team is more vaulable than a kid at Pick 2 who has him covered in everything, even defensive side of the game (More 1%ers, more tackles etc) who has finished top 5 2 times in only 4 years.
Of course Walker is better, he is one of the leadingclanger kings in the comp.
A defender is very different to a tagger. I thought that given your football knowledge, you would have recognised this. I obviously overestimated you...
Jeremias
9 Oct 2006, 23:57
Well Wellsy played a fair portion of his season running off the half backline, Wells doesnt get under enormous pressure mainly because of his high pace, and good skills, rarely is he tackled with the ball, Walker doesnt have the same luxury of evasion, i think thats a big factor.
So Walker isn't fast? Please, stop embarrassing yourself :o
The main reason why Wells had less clangers is because he was playing under less pressure. That is a fact.
So Walker isn't fast? Please, stop embarrassing yourself :o
The main reason why Wells had less clangers is because he was playing under less pressure. That is a fact.
He was tagged nearly every match.
Wells ALWAYS had an opponent.
And he was never under pressure?
Man.
Jeremias
10 Oct 2006, 00:02
He was tagged nearly every match.
Wells ALWAYS had an opponent.
And he was never under pressure?
Man.
Yep. Because I said he was neve under pressure...:rolleyes:. Good to see you changing my argument to suit your own. Probably because you can't win otherwise.
Walker coming out of the backline is under a hell of a lot more pressure than a midfielder who has some other quality midfielders around him to take much of the pressure off him.
Yep. Because I said he was neve under pressure...:rolleyes:. Good to see you changing my argument to suit your own. Probably because you can't win otherwise.
Walker coming out of the backline is under a hell of a lot more pressure than a midfielder who has some other quality midfielders around him to take much of the pressure off him.
Well has quality midfielders around him? Name them? I can only name one quality who had an average year. Now whos making stuff up?
Well having a tagger punching him, pyssing him off, tackling him on every occassion and sacrificing his game JUST to put Wells under pressure would be more pressure than a creative HBF. Easily.
Walker, like you said, is a creative HBF who creates attacks into the forward line. Wells has a bloke on his arse every game, but yeah, no pressure at all.
Yep. Because I said he was neve under pressure...:rolleyes:. Good to see you changing my argument to suit your own. Probably because you can't win otherwise.
Walker coming out of the backline is under a hell of a lot more pressure than a midfielder who has some other quality midfielders around him to take much of the pressure off him.
What are you talking about other quality midfielders? Grant and Harvey had absolutely terrible years, Rawlings is a tagger, and Simpson was carrying injuries.
So Walker isn't fast? Please, stop embarrassing yourself :o
The main reason why Wells had less clangers is because he was playing under less pressure. That is a fact.
Walker has pace, but Wells is in the top 5 quickest guys in the competition, thats why he gets time, and Walker wasnt under more pressure, Wells had a direct opponent for every game he played, because he was tagged, Walker mostly played on the 3rd or 4th best forward, and small forwards at that.
What are you talking about other quality midfielders? Grant and Harvey had absolutely terrible years, Rawlings is a tagger, and Simpson was carrying injuries.
Walker has pace, but Wells is in the top 5 quickest guys in the competition, thats why he gets time, and Walker wasnt under more pressure, Wells had a direct opponent for every game he played, because he was tagged, Walker mostly played on the 3rd or 4th best forward, and small forwards at that.
No no!
Playing on Ebert and Bode or Scott Harding from Brisbane is harder and there more pressure situations there than getting a Kane Cornes or a Jarred Crouch or a Brodie Holland :rolleyes:
If it was possible i would retract this pole. After reading all the arguments for and against, how does Walker even COMPARE to Wells! Stats and all are in favour of Wells, and the only real argument for Walker is that he's improving. Not hard for someone who starts with nothing...
Good Wellsy:thumbsu:
blues4flag
10 Oct 2006, 21:41
If it was possible i would retract this pole. After reading all the arguments for and against, how does Walker even COMPARE to Wells! Stats and all are in favour of Wells, and the only real argument for Walker is that he's improving. Not hard for someone who starts with nothing...
Good Wellsy:thumbsu:
Why make the poll in the first place then?
And for the record, Walker and Wells had pretty similar years, Walker has been constantly improving, Wells has been pretty stagnant.
SIR SAINT HOTDOG
10 Oct 2006, 21:50
i went for wells. but i sure think the guy who made this poll (bellzy) is a retard who cant kick a footy
Why make the poll in the first place then?
And for the record, Walker and Wells had pretty similar years, Walker has been constantly improving, Wells has been pretty stagnant.
But when you compare a player, do you compare 1 year?
If we were comparing Darren Jolly to Spider Everitt, Spider would come up trumps every time, regardless of Jolly having the better year.
BahrBlue25
10 Oct 2006, 22:01
Last year I would have been saying Wells, this year Walker for sure.
I was really hurting about Wells not playing in Navy Blue 12months ago but now I find he is very over-rated and can't play consistent footy.
trueblue_91
10 Oct 2006, 22:46
Last year I would have been saying Wells, this year Walker for sure.
I was really hurting about Wells not playing in Navy Blue 12months ago but now I find he is very over-rated and can't play consistent footy.
Im still pretty annoyed about it. And remember he did carry a injury into quite a few games
blues4flag
11 Oct 2006, 16:09
But when you compare a player, do you compare 1 year?
If we were comparing Darren Jolly to Spider Everitt, Spider would come up trumps every time, regardless of Jolly having the better year.
Thing is, neither has reached their best and are still developing - can't compare to Everitt who is coming to the end. Walker has shown steady improvement, Wells has not, and seeing as both have the majority of their career ahead of them (and the fact that Wells has played an extra season), it's not really fair to compare their pasts. At the moment, they've both had decent years, different positions but pretty similar IMO.
Thing is, neither has reached their best and are still developing - can't compare to Everitt who is coming to the end. Walker has shown steady improvement, Wells has not, and seeing as both have the majority of their career ahead of them (and the fact that Wells has played an extra season), it's not really fair to compare their pasts. At the moment, they've both had decent years, different positions but pretty similar IMO.
erm, tell me again why we cant compare their pasts? Because Wells is a year older?
blues4flag
11 Oct 2006, 16:26
erm, tell me again why we cant compare their pasts? Because Wells is a year older?
Because unlike Everitt, Wells and Walker will both continue to improve, we've already seen Peter's best so it's easier to say why. As for the other two, as both have yet to develop fully and reach their best, their form of 2/3 years ago isn't much of an indication of what they can achieve. Wells had a pretty good start to his career but hasn't improved much, whilst Walker has constantly improved since his first season. Also, some players take longer to develop than others, eg. Hodge, Ball. At the end of 2004, most would rather Ball than Hodge, but Hodge was a late developer and now most would want him over Ball.
What I'm trying to say it's not fair to compare people so young and still developing this early in their careers, as just because they are developing at a different rate does not mean that one will be better than the other in a couple years time.
Im still pretty annoyed about it. And remember he did carry a injury into quite a few games
Wow, a Carlton supporter who can admit the truth...;)
blues4flag
11 Oct 2006, 18:49
Wow, a Carlton supporter who can admit the truth...;)
Or maybe some of us have gotten over it and moved on.
BahrBlue25
11 Oct 2006, 18:49
Im still pretty annoyed about it. And remember he did carry a injury into quite a few games
I'm still very annoyed to be honest too
Well, its official.According to BF, Wells over Walker.
Well, its official.According to BF, Wells over Walker.
Gee that means alot. :)
Gee that means alot. :)
True.
Even the dumbest of footy fans still get it right.
Jeremias
15 Oct 2006, 13:41
True.
Even the dumbest of footy fans still get it right.
Well, you're pretty dumb, and you got it wrong.
:p
Well, you're pretty dumb, and you got it wrong.
:p
Not what every other official footy person or stats say ;)
Now F off....
And study for your exams :D