The Real Top 10 Draft Picks Thread

[The Hulkster]

There have been a number of top 10 draft threads on this board.

I want to have a real one.

In other threads anyone chucks up 10 names as their top 10.

This thread you need to put your top 10 and WHY you have chosen a certain players at a certain spot.

I think it will be a more credible thread if people have to put WHY.

So here is my top 10.

1 - Carlton - Bryce Gibbs
2 - Essendon - Gumbleton
3 - Kangaroos - Hanson
4 - Brisbane - Sellar
5 - Port - Proud
6 - Hawks - Jetta
7 - Geelong - Reiwoldt
8 - Richmond - Benjamin
9 - StKilda - Leuenberger
10 - Collingwood - Selwood

Reasons
Teams will more than likely always choose the best available player which is why i put Gibbs at 1.

Essendon will pick Gumbleton because they need a real quality key position player as Lucas and Fletcher get older.

Roos are desparate for a defender therefore Hansen.

Brisbane will pick Sellar on best available basis.

Port will choose Proud becasue after the loss of Francou, James and Carr they need a tough midfielder.

Hawks choose Jetta for pace in midfield as good as Mitchell, Hodge etc are he is a bit of a reciever and they can feed to him for pace.

Cats take Reiwoldt becasue of his athletisism and ability to play either end. as a key position player. And they dont have anyone like him ie a mobile key position except Mooney.

Richmond take Benjamin on best available basis plus fits into their style.

StKilda will get the best ruckman in Leunberger for obvious reasons.

Collingwood will take Selwood as best option available.

Mitch Thorpe is a bit unlucky and could easily fit into the top ten.

Now lets respect everyones opinion but at least in this thread you have to back up what you say.

[GRANGE_GSM]

here we go another thread about the top ten!.....yay!:cool: .....i love readiing everyones posts and thoughts...but gee fellas cant we all work it out that 1 thread about 1 subject is enough!

[The Hulkster]

here we go another thread about the top ten!.....yay!:cool: .....i love readiing everyones posts and thoughts...but gee fellas cant we all work it out that 1 thread about 1 subject is enough!
Thats why i started this one at least people will have to give reasons for their top 10 which will make for more interesting reading than just a list of names.

[PoZ_UtD]

1-Carlton- Bryce Gibbs
2-Essendon- Gumbleton
3-Kangaroos- Hanson
4-Brisbane- Thorp
5-Port- Seller
6-Hawks- Leuenberger
7-Geelong- Selwood
8-Richmond-Jetta
9-Saints- Collard
10-Pies- Reiwoldt

Carlton- Obvious choice as No.1 cant wait to c him and mourphy in action:D

Essendon- Need talls and could be a toss up between him and Hanson

Kangaroos- Will be either him or Gumbleton depneding on what Essendon do either way are desperate for quailty young talls

Brisbane- With Leppa retiring and Mal's future in doubt Brisbane have to go for a KPP which is why they will take Thorp

Port- Local boy from Glenelg another KPP and would be a great replacment for Tredrea

Hawks- If he drops this low Hawks will pounce at the chance to take him, hawks are looking to the future and can u imagine Leuenberger and Bailey in the ruck an unstoppable duo.

Geelong- Best available player at this point I dont beleive they will go for Reiwoldt because they are getting Hawkins any way plus they have N.Ablett

Richmond- Jetta is the best player avaiable at this point and will give the tigers good pace in the midfield

Saints- young aboriginal with blistering pace which is exactly what saints lack in the midfield

Pies- The pies will recruit him to replace tarrant and Rocca :p

[The Hulkster]

1-Carlton- Bryce Gibbs
2-Essendon- Gumbleton
3-Kangaroos- Hanson
4-Brisbane- Thorp
5-Port- Seller
6-Hawks- Leuenberger
7-Geelong- Selwood
8-Richmond-Jetta
9-Saints- Collard
10-Pies- Reiwoldt

Carlton- Obvious choice as No.1 cant wait to c him and mourphy in action:D

Essendon- Need talls and could be a toss up between him and Hanson

Kangaroos- Will be either him or Gumbleton depneding on what Essendon do either way are desperate for quailty young talls

Brisbane- With Leppa retiring and Mal's future in doubt Brisbane have to go for a KPP which is why they will take Thorp

Port- Local boy from Glenelg another KPP and would be a great replacment for Tredrea

Hawks- If he drops this low Hawks will pounce at the chance to take him, hawks are looking to the future and can u imagine Leuenberger and Bailey in the ruck an unstoppable duo.

Geelong- Best available player at this point I dont beleive they will go for Reiwoldt because they are getting Hawkins any way plus they have N.Ablett

Richmond- Jetta is the best player avaiable at this point and will give the tigers good pace in the midfield

Saints- young aboriginal with blistering pace which is exactly what saints lack in the midfield

Pies- The pies will recruit him to replace tarrant and Rocca :p
Great stuff, more interesting than just a list. And also interesting selctions but becasue you justify why it make it more credible.

[Barts]

We will be taking Hansen. We are looking to replace fletcher more atm then Lucas who is only 27. Therefore Gumbleton -> Roos

[matty_hawk]

puz utd is a star, do poz do u think anyone will want Strauchanie if he plays on? i hope we do! i think teams would take him preseason before big taz

[Ausgard]

Roos are desparate for a defender therefore Hansen.


No we arnt.

We are desperate for a CHF.

desperately hoping Gumbleton will still be around at Pick 3

[KingyOrTheKing]

Kangaroos- Will be either him or Gumbleton depending on what Essendon do either way are desperate for quailty young talls


We are not so much desperate for young quality talls. Our 3 ruckman are all very young, our backmen still have around 5 years in them. But our forward line is shot ATM. We must get Gumbleton (or Gibbs:D ). I think we will get him too. I just can't see Essendon choosing, out of 2 equal players, the one that doesn't suit them. Hansen - CHB, Gumbleton - CHF. You wouldn't be stupid enough to move Lucas to the backline to make way for Gumbleton. Essendon will take Hansen. North will take Gumbleton.

[scooter600x]

So here is my top 10.

1 - Carlton - Bryce Gibbs
2 - Essendon - Gumbleton
3 - Kangaroos - Hanson
4 - Brisbane - Sellar
5 - Port - Proud
6 - Hawks - Jetta
7 - Geelong - Reiwoldt
8 - Richmond - Benjamin
9 - StKilda - Leuenberger
10 - Collingwood - Selwood[/B]


Pick 11 - the Dogs select Mitch Thorp (unless we win this week in which case I don't give a bugger about Thorp).

[matty_hawk]

1-Carlton- Bryce Gibbs
2-Essendon- Gumbleton
3-Kangaroos- Hanson
4-Brisbane- Selwood
5-Port- Seller
6-Hawks- Thorpe
7-Geelong- Jetta
8-Richmond-reiwoldt
9-Saints- Leunberger
10-Pies- Collard

Carlton- 22 out of the 16 teams would take him if they had pick one.

Essendon- apparently sheedy loves the kid, about as certain to go 2 as gibbs to go 1 imo

Kangaroos- best available kkp. Make pretty poor spine look more respectable no matter which end of the ground he plays at

Brisbane- in my dream land this will happen, lions might look at best available rather than plug holes in a side that has seen better day and probably wont be ready for a flag until about 2009

Port- Local boy, would defiantly give C.Cornes more freedom to get back some of his ‘04’ form

Hawks- if Thorpe drops this low the hawks will be so excited they will probably forget to call his name with all the hi5’s and dancing they will be doing. Like I said this will be a dream for the hawks you would think. Even with the recent injury trouble

Geelong- doubt they will go for a kkp. Jetta would add some X factor to a midfield that played like it should be in a grass roots comp

Richmond- need a tall back man, the fact Bowden played there shows they need it (not saying Bowden is crap just saying he should be 3rd tall). Don’t know but, hard to see the tigers taking a ruckman.

Saints- no questions asked, even if they are in ‘dynasty’ mode. They need a ruckman more than a wh*re needs her mouth

Pies- best available. See Geelong.

[Barts]

1-Carlton- Bryce Gibbs
2-Essendon- Gumbleton
3-Kangaroos- Hanson
4-Brisbane- Selwood
5-Port- Seller
6-Hawks- Thorpe
7-Geelong- Jetta
8-Richmond-reiwoldt
9-Saints- Leunberger
10-Pies- Collard

Carlton- 22 out of the 16 teams would take him if they had pick one.

Essendon- apparently sheedy loves the kid, about as certain to go 2 as gibbs to go 1 imo

Kangaroos- best available kkp. Make pretty poor spine look more respectable no matter which end of the ground he plays at

Brisbane- in my dream land this will happen, lions might look at best available rather than plug holes in a side that has seen better day and probably wont be ready for a flag until about 2009

Port- Local boy, would defiantly give C.Cornes more freedom to get back some of his ‘04’ form

Hawks- if Thorpe drops this low the hawks will be so excited they will probably forget to call his name with all the hi5’s and dancing they will be doing. Like I said this will be a dream for the hawks you would think. Even with the recent injury trouble

Geelong- doubt they will go for a kkp. Jetta would add some X factor to a midfield that played like it should be in a grass roots comp

Richmond- need a tall back man, the fact Bowden played there shows they need it (not saying Bowden is crap just saying he should be 3rd tall). Don’t know but, hard to see the tigers taking a ruckman.

Saints- no questions asked, even if they are in ‘dynasty’ mode. They need a ruckman more than a wh*re needs her mouth

Pies- best available. See Geelong.

And apprantly Adrian Dodoro has said he wants Hansen, thinks he is the best in the draft and is a lock barring Carlton taking him. Where did you get your mail from? I got mine first hand.

[macca69]

1. Carlton – Gibbs
Can’t see them going with anyone else really. Carlton need quality players in every position (except key forwards) and Gibbs looks the best available (they’ll really look a Leuenberger and Hansen though IMO)

2. Essendon - Leuenberger
With Laycock likely to be traded, and Cartledge a possible delisting and Sheedy’s trend to pick mobile KPP/ruckmen Leuenberger looks a likely option. (As Laycock might get traded, another first round pick won’t be out of the question)

3. Kangas – Gumbleton
Best available really and they need an up and coming young key forward, who can take contested marks.

4. Brisbane – Jetta
Matthews has said he is looking for fast mids, and with the loss of Aker and Moody, Jetta is a real possibility. Again given Aker is going to be traded, another first round pick is on the cards. Proud may be another option for this pick.

5. Port – Sellar
Very tough pick. A KPP or an inside midfielder would be the most likely option at this stage. Sellar, Proud, Selwood and Thorp would all be considered very strongly. He will have a very impressive draft camp, that will ensure he doesn’t slide despite his sub-par championships.

6. Hawthorn – Hansen
Hawks will be ecstatic that Hansen slipped this far. Is exactly what they are looking for, and would be stupid to pass him up.

7. Geelong – Proud
Geelong are in dire need of pace in their midfield. They’ll be upset at Jetta getting picked up early, but will still be more than happy to call out Proud’s name come draft day.

8. Richmond – Thorp
Toss up between Thorp and Benjamin. Richmond’s recent draft selections under Wallace would suggest Benjamin, but Wallace hasn’t had a player of Thorp’s caliber available to him in his time at Richmond (bar Deledio).

9. St Kilda – Benjamin
Another team looking for someone who has the ability to run and carry the footy. Benjamin could be anything, and St Kilda won’t mind taking a gamble on Benjamin IMO.

10. Collingwood– Selwood
Looking for inside midfielders with Buckley, Burns, etc getting on in years. Most of their younger midfielders are purely outside types, and Collingwood couldn’t be happier with Selwood sliding to pick 10.

[The Dustbin]

With Laycock likely to be traded, and Cartledge a possible delisting and Sheedy’s trend to pick mobile KPP/ruckmen Leuenberger looks a likely option. (As Laycock might get traded, another first round pick won’t be out of the question)

Laycock will not get traded. If he does he is not worth a 1st round pick.

:eek:

[macca69]

Laycock will not get traded. If he does he is not worth a 1st round pick.

:eek:

I've heard he may well get traded. He may not command a 1st round pick by himself, a deal could be worked out something like: Laycock + 2nd rounder for a 1st rounder, or something like that.

[Merv]

1. Carlton – Gibbs
Can’t see them going with anyone else really. Carlton need quality players in every position (except key forwards) and Gibbs looks the best available (they’ll really look a Leuenberger and Hansen though IMO)

2. Essendon - Leuenberger
With Laycock likely to be traded, and Cartledge a possible delisting and Sheedy’s trend to pick mobile KPP/ruckmen Leuenberger looks a likely option. (As Laycock might get traded, another first round pick won’t be out of the question)

3. Kangas – Gumbleton
Best available really and they need an up and coming young key forward, who can take contested marks.

4. Brisbane – Jetta
Matthews has said he is looking for fast mids, and with the loss of Aker and Moody, Jetta is a real possibility. Again given Aker is going to be traded, another first round pick is on the cards. Proud may be another option for this pick.

5. Port – Sellar
Very tough pick. A KPP or an inside midfielder would be the most likely option at this stage. Sellar, Proud, Selwood and Thorp would all be considered very strongly. He will have a very impressive draft camp, that will ensure he doesn’t slide despite his sub-par championships.

6. Hawthorn – Hansen
Hawks will be ecstatic that Hansen slipped this far. Is exactly what they are looking for, and would be stupid to pass him up.

7. Geelong – Proud
Geelong are in dire need of pace in their midfield. They’ll be upset at Jetta getting picked up early, but will still be more than happy to call out Proud’s name come draft day.

8. Richmond – Thorp
Toss up between Thorp and Benjamin. Richmond’s recent draft selections under Wallace would suggest Benjamin, but Wallace hasn’t had a player of Thorp’s caliber available to him in his time at Richmond (bar Deledio).

9. St Kilda – Benjamin
Another team looking for someone who has the ability to run and carry the footy. Benjamin could be anything, and St Kilda won’t mind taking a gamble on Benjamin IMO.

10. Collingwood– Selwood
Looking for inside midfielders with Buckley, Burns, etc getting on in years. Most of their younger midfielders are purely outside types, and Collingwood couldn’t be happier with Selwood sliding to pick 10.

There is no way that i can see Hansen slipping to 6...won't happen.
Essendon won't take Leuenberger, but from what i have seen of him he looks a massive talent and if Carlton were pick 2 would probably take him.

[philhawk]

If Hansen slips to pick 6, i'll explode with joy.

[The Hulkster]

There is no way that i can see Hansen slipping to 6...won't happen.
Essendon won't take Leuenberger, but from what i have seen of him he looks a massive talent and if Carlton were pick 2 would probably take him.
Maybe you should have a crack at your own top 10 and tell us what you think.

[Merv]

Maybe you should have a crack at your own top 10 and tell us what you think.

I don't profess to know enough about the needs of other clubs other than my own, to have a go.
I also don't have the inclination to devote time to researching their needs either.
What i have been doing recently is watching videos of the young talent on offer which is what i based my reply on.

I didn't mean it to sound like i was criticising your picks, and of course you are entitled to your opinion.

[philhawk]

1. Carlton - Gibbs: Purely and simply because of all the hype surrounding him. I'm sure he's a fantastic player, but for people to even suggest that he's a 'one in a generation player with the footy nous of a seasoned AFL veteran' is going over the top.

Carlton also need a quality injection into their midfield. While their backline is looking suspicious (bar Whitnall), the media hype will see Gibbs drafted over Hansen.

2. Essendon - Gumbleton: I would have liked to say Hansen here, but Sheedy loves bang and tumble forward types (who he might even experiement in the backline for a few seasons).

I like the sound of Gumbleton the most out of any player in the draft and i'm sure he'll become a mainstay for Essendon in a few years time at CHF, with Lloydy at FF. Quite an impressive forward line. :thumbsu:

Again, Essendon's deficiencies lie in the backline, but i'd be almost certain that Sheeds would draft a 'promising forward type' over a 'promising back' (See below for more)

3. Kangaroos - Hansen: Kangaroos will need any decent players they can get to be honest. Their main weakness for mine is a CHF. Hale/McIntosh can occasionally play there, but they'll ultimately be pure rucks in the true form of the word.

When I earlier said that Hansen was a 'promising back type', I wasn't saying anything untowards about the kid, rather about the role he has filled while playing for his club in the juniors. By all reports, he seems to read the play terrifically and could probably play at AFL level from Game 1 next year at CHF for North. From what I saw of the carnival, he wasn't as 'dynamic' as Gumbleton, but like so many classy players in the AFL, he does the simple things right.

4. Brisbane - Jetta: This one is a recent turnaround from me. All along I thought that Brisbane would either opt for a inside mid like Selwood or a KPP like Thorp. But I watched WLF a couple of weeks ago with Brisbane's assistant coach on the show, who hinted that the club might opt for a speedy midfielder to compliment players like Sherman and Ritschelli (great players, but perhaps lacking in speed)?

With the loss of Aker and perhaps even Voss for next year, Jetta will be a handy acquisition methinks.

Too lazy at the moment, i'll do another 4 later.

[The Hulkster]

I don't profess to know enough about the needs of other clubs other than my own, to have a go.
I also don't have the inclination to devote time to researching their needs either.
What i have been doing recently is watching videos of the young talent on offer which is what i based my reply on.

I didn't mean it to sound like i was criticising your picks, and of course you are entitled to your opinion.
Fair enough

[goal sneak]

A couple of you have Riewoldt and Thorp slipping out of the TOP 10. Gee i hope that is the case will Melbourne likely to have pick 11-12.

[macca69]

And apprantly Adrian Dodoro has said he wants Hansen, thinks he is the best in the draft and is a lock barring Carlton taking him. Where did you get your mail from? I got mine first hand.

Adrian doesn't mind if you post what he going to do on draft day?

[smithos]

1 - Carlton - Gibbs - safest pick, Hansen would be the only other option but
Gibbs' post champs form has nearly locked him in barring
serious injury or a terrible draft camp.

2 - Essendon - Hansen - top three pick themselves just a question of local/interstate
back/forward, not a bad year to have pick 2

3 - Kangaroos - Gumbleton - will need a CHF and he's the best on offer since 2000

4 - Brisbane - Thorp - if they want best available, they'll take Thorp, may go
elsewhere if they're worried about taking another KP with
a few ?'s on him, but Thorp can play back and they'd be
stupid to overlook him.

5 - Port - Sellar - Local, massive talent, will be hitting his straps as Lade is
fading,

6 - Hawks - Reiwoldt - big marking leading full forward, Ellis and Muston still to
come on, far better prospect than Dowler.

7 - Geelong - Proud - leadership, hardness, intensity, best KP with father/son

8 - Richmond - Selwood - gonna need a player who can get the best out
of all the outside runners that they've been picking

9 - StKilda - Leuenberger - will be able to play and be effective next year, the
question is whether they address pace in the midfield
or lack of ruck options.

10 - Collingwood - Collard - If they go tall, they wont be picking best available,
if they want to address their midfield they'd prob go
collard over Jetta, but a lot of players in the mix around here

[smithos]

Adrian doesn't mind if you post what he going to do on draft day?

Ryder was the best player in last year's draft - I don't think anyone cares what Adrian has to say

[musha_13]

1 - Carlton - Gibbs
2 - Essendon - Hansen
3 - Kangaroos - Gumbleton
4 - Brisbane - Thorp
5 - Port - Sellar
6 - Hawks - Reiwoldt
7 - Geelong - Proud
8 - Richmond - Selwood
9 - StKilda - Leuenberger
10 - Collingwood - Collard
And that just defeats the purpose of the thread.

Read the first post.

[Jabso]

What are the skills of midfielders like Selwood, Proud, Jetta, Proud and Collard like?

[Palmer Stoat]

1 - Carlton - Gibbs
2 - Essendon - Hansen
3 - Kangaroos - Gumbleton
4 - Brisbane - Thorp
5 - Port - Sellar
6 - Hawks - Reiwoldt
7 - Geelong - Proud
8 - Richmond - Selwood
9 - StKilda - Leuenberger
10 - Collingwood - Collard

I reckon that's about right.

[*PAFC*13]

[QUOTE]4. Brisbane – Jetta
Matthews has said he is looking for fast mids, and with the loss of Aker and Moody, Jetta is a real possibility. Again given Aker is going to be traded, another first round pick is on the cards. Proud may be another option for this pick.

Care to elaborate Macca?

[dave_27]

Ryder was the best player in last year's draft - I don't think anyone cares what Adrian has to say

ooh are you upset adrian didnt mention poor little marc murphy?

:(

[macca69]

[QUOTE=macca69]



Care to elaborate Macca?

The rumour is that he said he will not renew his contract with Brisbane, or something along those lines.

[*PAFC*13]

The rumour is that he said he will not renew his contract with Brisbane, or something along those lines.

Pity. Looks a decent kid. Why does he want to leave?

[FIGJAM]

I reckon that's about right.
I doubt we'll go for Collard.

If one of the standout inside mids doesn't slip through, then I doubt we'd go for a half forward flanker. If we did, they'd want to be lightening fast, which is Jetta.

I reckon the #10 pick will net what we want though (one of Luenberger, Proud, Selwood, or highly rated KP player), as the odd surprise always happens, with the others dropping down a cog.

[Calcium Man]

1. Carlton - Gibbs- He is too good and i cant see carlton passing him by. They dont need a forward as they have kennedy and i think they'll skip Hansen.

2. Essendon - Gumbleton - He is the best forward in the Draft, Sheeds will love the idea of Lloyd and a powerful CHF. It'll also allow Lucas to move back to CHB where he played really well.

3. Kangaroos - Thorp - Will go thorp who is more of CHF then Hansen. Really looking for a player to replace Carey.

4. Lions - Jetta/Hansen - I think it more likely they will go Jetta as they would love a pacey midfielder to replace Aker. I think they have some very good KPP in Mitch Clark and Merritt. Brown is only 24-25.

5. Port -Sellar - Local boy with a lot of Atheletic ability. With their young midfield could be a very important ruck/forward type in the future

6. Hawthorn - Hansen/Jetta - Will be thrilled to get Hansen so low, but may go a really quick mid like Jetta as it seems their weakness (Yes i know ellis and Muston are coming but muston has a dodgy knee and jetta will be better the ellis)

7. Geelong -Leunberger/Proud - Will more likely go Leunberger because it'll free up ottens more, especially with King struggling with injury for so long. But could use a strong fast midfielder like proud.

8. Richmond - Benjamin - Would love Hasen or Thorp to fall to us but they wont so we will take Benjamin who is lighten quick and tallish at 190 odd. Suits our style of pace, pace and more pace.

9. St. Kilda - Proud/Leunberger - Will go for Proud if still avaliable as he is hard and Fast as tony Grieg would say. They lack real pace thru their midfield. If Leunberger falls they will bite the bullet and take a quality ruckman finally.

10. Collingwood - Selwood - apart from the tigers most of the teams from hawthorn down have too many top inside mids. With Buckley, burns on their last legs can see real need for a top quality mid in the near future.

[Palmer Stoat]

I doubt we'll go for Collard.

If one of the standout inside mids doesn't slip through, then I doubt we'd go for a half forward flanker. If we did, they'd want to be lightening fast, which is Jetta.

I reckon the #10 pick will net what we want though (one of Luenberger, Proud, Selwood, or highly rated KP player), as the odd surprise always happens, with the others dropping down a cog.

I think your reasoning is sound. Judging on what I've read, and what little I've seen, I'd also take any of Leuenberger, Proud, Selwood (and I'd add Riewoldt) before I'd take Collard. But I happen to think Smithos' Top 10 seems about right, and if it is, all those players will be gone by #10.

I've only seen Jetta at the U18s (so I freely admit that much of this is guesswork), but he's smaller than Collard and, from what I saw, doesn't kick the ball as well as Collard. What's more, while Collard may not be as quick as Jetta, he's still very slippery.

As for Collard being a HFF, well, people say similar things about Dale Thomas, yet from what I've seen, I see no reason why Thomas can't -- with greater fitness and bulk -- move into the midfield. Will Collard also be able to move into the centre square given the opportunity? I don't know -- people who know much more about it than me will make that judgement. But I don't think it's out of the question that he'll be able to do so. If so, he'd certainly be in play for #10.

I'm dead keen on an inside mid or a KPP too. But when push comes to shove, I'd prefer Collingwood to go for best available, rather than 'stretch' to take the likes of Hislop or Reid or whoever too early because they're a certain 'type'.

Over the long run, I reckon you're more likely to build a premiership-quality list with a 'best available' recruiting policy, and not a 'best fit' policy.

[pinkus maximus]

Pity. Looks a decent kid. Why does he want to leave?

probably to go back to WA. I hope freo try to get him

[macca69]

1. Carlton - Gibbs- He is too good and i cant see carlton passing him by. They dont need a forward as they have kennedy and i think they'll skip Hansen.

2. Essendon - Gumbleton - He is the best forward in the Draft, Sheeds will love the idea of Lloyd and a powerful CHF. It'll also allow Lucas to move back to CHB where he played really well.

3. Kangaroos - Thorp - Will go thorp who is more of CHF then Hansen. Really looking for a player to replace Carey.

4. Lions - Jetta/Hansen - I think it more likely they will go Jetta as they would love a pacey midfielder to replace Aker. I think they have some very good KPP in Mitch Clark and Merritt. Brown is only 24-25.

5. Port -Sellar - Local boy with a lot of Atheletic ability. With their young midfield could be a very important ruck/forward type in the future

6. Hawthorn - Hansen/Jetta - Will be thrilled to get Hansen so low, but may go a really quick mid like Jetta as it seems their weakness (Yes i know ellis and Muston are coming but muston has a dodgy knee and jetta will be better the ellis)

7. Geelong -Leunberger/Proud - Will more likely go Leunberger because it'll free up ottens more, especially with King struggling with injury for so long. But could use a strong fast midfielder like proud.

8. Richmond - Benjamin - Would love Hasen or Thorp to fall to us but they wont so we will take Benjamin who is lighten quick and tallish at 190 odd. Suits our style of pace, pace and more pace.

9. St. Kilda - Proud/Leunberger - Will go for Proud if still avaliable as he is hard and Fast as tony Grieg would say. They lack real pace thru their midfield. If Leunberger falls they will bite the bullet and take a quality ruckman finally.

10. Collingwood - Selwood - apart from the tigers most of the teams from hawthorn down have too many top inside mids. With Buckley, burns on their last legs can see real need for a top quality mid in the near future.

that's pretty much spot on.

[mad-saint-guy]

1. Carlton - Gibbs - Every year there seems to be someone who just has to go number one, this year its Gibbs.
2. Essendon - Hansen - Desperately need a tall defender, and Hansen sounds like the best option.
3. Kangaroos - Gumbleton - Need a CHF and is exactly what the Kangas need.
4. Brisbane - Thorp - Brisbane badly lacking in KPPs and Thorp would probably be able to be able to fill-in as a third tall either in defence or the forward line before taking on a full time role as a CHB
5. Port Adelaide - Sellar - Lade and Brogan won't be around forever, and Sellar will suit Port well.
6. Hawthorn - Riewoldt - Long term would be able play as a third tall to Franklin and Dowler
7. Geelong - Selwood - Need a tough, inside midfielder to feed it out to the receivers
8. Richmond - Leunberger - With Simmonds only having 2 or 3 years left he'll team up with Pattison in the ruck long-term
9. St Kilda - Proud - Are desperate for a readymade, tough, fast, skilled inside midfielder to take over from guys like Thompson and Powell.
10. Collingwood - Jetta - Need some flair. They need a bit of pace and creativity, and Jetta seems to have the most potential of any remaining players.

[ptrain8]

I agree with Mad-Saint, i think if Leuenberger is around, we will take him.
We have Simmonds, and Pattison coming through, but i dont think he will end up making the top level. Simmonds has shown he can kick goals (most goals by a ruckman this year) so when he becomes older, can pinch hit down forward.
If Riewoldt will only ever be a flanker i hope we dont take him.
And Benjamin..is there any info on him? Height weight etc as im sure theyve changed since Mojo era..
I just hope if we want a midfielder we take on, not some lightly framed flanker..who MAY be able to play midfield ONE day. I think we've risked enough picks on those, and have enough players to play HFF.

[laurens_vdS]

8. Richmond - Leunberger - With Simmonds only having 2 or 3 years left he'll team up with Pattison in the ruck long-term

Simmonds will play for another 5 years and we probally will not pick leunberger with pattison emerging through the ranks!
We need a KP

[Calcium Man]

I agree with Mad-Saint, i think if Leuenberger is around, we will take him.
We have Simmonds, and Pattison coming through, but i dont think he will end up making the top level. Simmonds has shown he can kick goals (most goals by a ruckman this year) so when he becomes older, can pinch hit down forward.
If Riewoldt will only ever be a flanker i hope we dont take him.
And Benjamin..is there any info on him? Height weight etc as im sure theyve changed since Mojo era..
I just hope if we want a midfielder we take on, not some lightly framed flanker..who MAY be able to play midfield ONE day. I think we've risked enough picks on those, and have enough players to play HFF.

AS good as leunberger is we wont take him. We had a chance at wood who was the best tap ruckmen 2 years ago and we went for pattison a mobile ruck/forward. If we went ruck we would go Sellar as he is mobile and will pinch hit forward.

Benjamin is exceptionally quick. He proabaly has a lot of similarities to Deledio and JON, tallish bout 190cms and quick with a good skills. I reckon we will take a chance on him, could become a super FF or will swap into our midfield.
They will take awhile to develop, but our side will look something like the dogs in 3 years. Except i think our team might even make theirs looks slow.

[ptrain8]

OK, I think a quick leading FF good overhead is pretty much exactly what we need..i take back what I said. Taking Sellar is also easily said then done.

[Pharaoh]

1. Carlton - Gibbs. Can't afford to take any risks with pick 1 and Gibbs has the best pedigree. Besides, Carlton need talent all over the ground.

2. Ess - Hansen. The need to plan for Fletcher's replacement is significant. Hansen is a local boy and therefore also represents less of a risk than Gumbleton. Leuenberger is also a possibility here.

3. Kang - Gumbleton. Fantasies of the new Wayne Carey, replacement for Sav.

4. Bris - Selwood. With Voss' retirement, Selwood has to be attractive as a potential future captain with similar ball magnet abilities. Uniting at least two Selwood brothers also has to be attractive for retaining these guys long term at the club (and maybe even getting the one from WA).

5. Port - Sellar. This guy could be anything and there's no risk of him going home. Port's midfield depth is looking quite good but they lack depth in KPPs and Lade isn't getting any younger. Then again, they might rate Thorp higher and he won't have the go-home factor either.

6. Hawks - Thorp. If Thorp or Sellar are still available, expect the Hawks to pick one up in that order. If these guys are gone, I expect us to take Leuenberger. Thorp would be a perfect fit with the Tassie connection and provide serious depth at both ends of the ground. If all the gun KPPs have gone, Leuenberger will be too attractive to pass up, even though we probably have one depth ruckman too many. Selwood might also be considered to be groomed to replace Crawford.

7. Geelong - Proud. Geelong's midfield has looked quite pedestrian this year. With Hawkins already theirs, I expect them to look to a midfield option - either Proud, Jetta or Collard. With Varcoe in the wings, I expect Proud to be the choice for both ball-winning ability, running and hardness. Leuenberger is also a chance, but won't help them improve fast enough to keep the wolves from the door.

8. Richmond - Leuenberger. With the retirement of Stafford, Leuenberger is the best available tall at pick 8 and too good to overlook. Although he's a ruckman, in the short term he could free up others such as Simmonds to spend more time in attack or defence. Riewoldt is also a good possibility here.

9. St Kilda - Reiwoldt. Maybe I'm a sentimentalist, but the chance to have two Riewoldts in the team has to appeal to Saint supporters. Gherig is almost gone and there is also a lack of tall option depth in the backline. Otherwise, someone like Jetta or Collard must be seriously considered.

10. Collingwood - Collard. I love what I've seen of him so far and think he could provide genuine pace to the Pies' midfield. Jetta feels too much like another Neon Leon to me. Benjamin is also a real possibility because he has height and raw speed.

[Barts]

Adrian doesn't mind if you post what he going to do on draft day?

I suppose he wouldnt have told me if he wasnt keen and he wouldnt know me from a bar of soap... this was a month ago but I cant see why we would take gumbleton. We need a defender.. he said two weeks ago our main priority is to look to replace fletcher. Hence the Hansen link again. Ive been to TAC games and 3 involving Hansen and funnily enough hes been there.

[Davo-27]

If Hansen slips to pick 6, i'll explode with joy.

make that 2 explosions.............:thumbsu:

[matty_hawk]

make that 3!

[Sundog]

Just a couple of points on what I've heard...

Jetta may well be taken by Brisbane in a shock selection.

Hawks are not interested in Riewoldt at all.

Port want Leuenberger.

[PoZ_UtD]

If Brisbane take Jetta it would blow the draft wide open

Port seem set on Seller, his a tall plus a local boy, but thats my only basis for it.

Hawks would be rapt either way if Thorp drops that low

[Richo83]

1. Carlton - Gibbs (Think about it)
2. Essendon - Hansen (Hansen's defensive work is better than Gumbleton's, is better at both ends overall)
3. Kangaroos - Gumbleton (Desperate for a KPP)
4. Brisbane - Thorp (Need a KPP to help their aging KPP spots, especially in defence)
5. Port - Sellar (good addition to Tredrae, their backmen aren't young)
6. Hawthorn - Jetta (Add pace to an otherwise slightly slow midfield)
7. Geelong - Proud (They have Hawkins, so midfielder would be handy)
8. Richmond - Riewoldt (No ruckmen, we are fine there, no Benjamin, Riewoldt would do nice to help our smallish KPP stocks
9. St. Kilda - right? Leunberger (Have a look at their ruck division, no wonder they sacked GT)
10. Collingwood - right? Selwood (Best available, Just a guess)

[PoZ_UtD]

1. Carlton - Gibbs (Think about it)
2. Essendon - Hansen (Hansen's defensive work is better than Gumbleton's, is better at both ends overall)
3. Kangaroos - Gumbleton (Desperate for a KPP)
4. Brisbane - Thorp (Need a KPP to help their aging KPP spots, especially in defence)
5. Port - Sellar (good addition to Tredrae, their backmen aren't young)
6. Hawthorn - Jetta (Add pace to an otherwise slightly slow midfield)
7. Geelong - Proud (They have Hawkins, so midfielder would be handy)
8. Richmond - Riewoldt (No ruckmen, we are fine there, no Benjamin, Riewoldt would do nice to help our smallish KPP stocks
9. St. Kilda - right? Leunberger (Have a look at their ruck division, no wonder they sacked GT)
10. Collingwood - right? Benjamin (Best available, Just a guess)

Just about spot on but i still rkn hawks will take Leunberger b4 saints get a chance.

[Sundog]

Hawks will take Thorp, Sellar or Selwood whichever is available. Wont take Leuenberger and Jetta hasn't been on their radar.

Lions really want Jetta from what I'm told but they wont pass up Thorp or Sellar if available so perhaps expect them to bring in a 3rd club in the Aker deal so they can get another pick in the top 10.

[macca69]

Hawks will take Thorp, Sellar or Selwood whichever is available. Wont take Leuenberger and Jetta hasn't been on their radar.

Lions really want Jetta from what I'm told but they wont pass up Thorp or Sellar if available so perhaps expect them to bring in a 3rd club in the Aker deal so they can get another pick in the top 10.

Very interesting. However I've heard that Brisbane aren't that keen on Sellar, could be wrong though.

[The BRICKSTER]

Can someone post info on this Benjamin guy if he is like deledio then i am all for him

:thumbsu:

[bellzy]

As long as the Kanagas don't do anything stupid (i'm looking at YOU Dean), It looks certain that we will pick up either Gumby or Hansen, preferably Gumby which, by the sounds of things, is looking more and more likely. There's no way we'll be taking any shock selections this draft, so anybody saying that we're gonna screw this one up is wrong. PERIOD!

[PoZ_UtD]

Hawks will take Thorp, Sellar or Selwood whichever is available. Wont take Leuenberger and Jetta hasn't been on their radar.

Lions really want Jetta from what I'm told but they wont pass up Thorp or Sellar if available so perhaps expect them to bring in a 3rd club in the Aker deal so they can get another pick in the top 10.

If Lions take Jetta which you are so sure about, then Hawks will take Thorp seeing as port will either go for either Seller as planned or Leuenberger. Cant see Hawks passing on Thorp

[Porthos]

So who at Port told you that they're planning to pick Sellar?

[PoZ_UtD]

So who at Port told you that they're planning to pick Sellar?

Tall player who can play ruck as well which is exactly what port needs considering they have ageing tall players.

Plus he is from Glenelg, I am only assuming considering what they need which is y i expect them to take Seller

[Porthos]

Tall player who can play ruck as well which is exactly what port needs considering they have ageing tall players.Yeah, sure, but a number of people seem to be writing down Port to take Sellar purely because its easy to match the SA club up with the SA player.

Seems to be a few posts of a top 10 saying that Hawthorn would be delighted that X-better-tall-than-Sellar dropped to their pick...why will they? Are Port stupid homeboys? Since when have they been the club going for the local instead of best available player?

[KingyOrTheKing]

As long as the Kanagas don't do anything stupid (i'm looking at YOU Dean), It looks certain that we will pick up either Gumby or Hansen, preferably Gumby which, by the sounds of things, is looking more and more likely. There's no way we'll be taking any shock selections this draft, so anybody saying that we're gonna screw this one up is wrong. PERIOD!

Nah. Leuenberger is in the bag for us. Hopefully we pick him. Then we can convert him into a forward. We deperately need a ruck-forward.

[The Flying Belgian]

Very interesting. However I've heard that Brisbane aren't that keen on Sellar, could be wrong though.

That would go along with what I've heard macca.

I think we were keen on Jetta when we were looking at pick 6-7. Probably still are interested. But things have changed with having pick 4. But you never know - Collingwoood backed themselves in to draft Thomas and Pendlebury ahead of most peoples predictions. They obviously felt very strongly about those two. Anything's possible.

[macca69]

That would go along with what I've heard macca.

I think we were keen on Jetta when we were looking at pick 6-7. Probably still are interested. But things have changed with having pick 4. But you never know - Collingwoood backed themselves in to draft Thomas and Pendlebury ahead of most peoples predictions. They obviously felt very strongly about those two. Anything's possible.

I have heard a few references to Brisbane looking for pace in the draft, so I wouldn't be at all surprised for Brisbane to take Jetta. Thorp, Leuenberger and Selwood would be possibilities to I imagine. Who do you expect Brisbane to take?

[Palmer Stoat]

Hawks will take Thorp, Sellar or Selwood whichever is available. Wont take Leuenberger and Jetta hasn't been on their radar.

Lions really want Jetta from what I'm told but they wont pass up Thorp or Sellar if available so perhaps expect them to bring in a 3rd club in the Aker deal so they can get another pick in the top 10.

They'll have to give up more than just Aker to get another top 10 pick.

[The Flying Belgian]

I have heard a few references to Brisbane looking for pace in the draft, so I wouldn't be at all surprised for Brisbane to take Jetta. Thorp, Leuenberger and Selwood would be possibilities to I imagine. Who do you expect Brisbane to take?

Dunno macca, it's hard to pint down what the new recruiting philoophy will be post-Kinnear Beatson. Some of it will have to do with list management - if Pat Garner doesn't get a new contract then the odds of a KPP shorten. If Marcus Allan gets the chop then a Selwood might come into play. I can see us drafting more Qld kids than in the past, but for the first pick I still think it'll be best available. We're OK for ruckmen, even with Keating going, but they might think Leuenberger is too good to pass up. I've certainly got a high opinion of him albeit based on limited viewing. I don't think Sellar will appeal to us, having taken Clark last year.

All things going to how folks around here think things will pan out, I reckon Hansen or Thorp will be most likely. But with a certain goal-kicking mid more or less out the door, Jetta might fit the mould. Of course if the unthinkable happens and Gibbs slides down....... nah, you're right it'll never happen!

Short answer: dunno. :D

[mad-saint-guy]

Alot of people have us as taking Leunberger or Riewoldt with our first pick. Unless Hansen/Gumbleton slip to pick 9, there is absolutely no way we will take anyone other than a pure midfielder.

Look at our ruck stocks: Koschitzke (star), Brooks (hopefully he can come on), Ackland (solid backup ruckman), Rix (can't get the ball but he can neagate the opposition ruckman), Blake (emergency only).

There's 1 certain star ruckman there and 4 players competing for the backup spot, we don't need any more.

Then our KP forward stocks: (keeping in mind that one of Kosi/Brooks/Ackland will usually also be there) Riewoldt (star), Gehrig (star), Watts (will be good), Schwarze (can play as KP forward)
Tall Flankers: Goddard (altough will play midfield next year), R.Clarke, Schwarze, L.Fisher, Hamill, Voss (plays tall), Gwilt, Sweeney

Now, finally our midfield stocks: Hayes, Ball, Dal Santo, Baker, Harvey, Goddard (looking good so far), McQualter, McGough. And that's it. No backup.

Throw in a couple of Proud, Selwood, Hislop, Uquart or Connors and it looks a lot better. Espacially with the retirements of Powell and Peckett (Thompson wants to play on but I don't know if the new coach would want him) we are desperate for some midfield depth.

[footy_paul]

carlton- Gibbs- unless Carlton confirm everyones beliefs that their complete morons

Essendon- Interesting depends on whether Laycock is traded and cartledge is delisted, i honeely believe gumbelton is our man

Kanaga's- Hansen, unless essendon pick up Leuenberger

Brisbane will pick Sellar on best available basis.

Port will choose Proud becasue after the loss of Francou, James and Carr they need a tough midfielder.

Hawks choose Jetta for pace in midfield as good as Mitchell, Hodge etc are he is a bit of a reciever and they can feed to him for pace.

Cats take Reiwoldt becasue of his athletisism and ability to play either end. as a key position player. And they dont have anyone like him ie a mobile key position except Mooney.

Richmond take Benjamin on best available basis plus fits into their style.

StKilda will get the best ruckman in Leunberger for obvious reasons.

Collingwood will take Selwood as best option available.

[dave_27]

Look at our ruck stocks: Koschitzke (star), Brooks (hopefully he can come on), Ackland (solid backup ruckman), Rix (can't get the ball but he can neagate the opposition ruckman), Blake (emergency only).

There's 1 certain star ruckman there and 4 players competing for the backup spot, we don't need any more.


Thats not a ruck division to write home about.

Kosi barely gets out on the park and is still un proven as a ruckmen and Rix is a ok back up ruckmen.

The rest you have mentioned are ordinary.

Thats like me saying Henneman, Bolton and Bradley are all tall defenders so we dont need to recruit a KP down back.

[Scarlett Fever]

Here is a top 10 of who clubs won't go for.

1. Carlton - Won't go for Gumbleton because Gibbs is an obvious choice and Hansen has the defensive qualities they would prefer.

2. Essendon - Won't go for Leuenberger because they have invested heavily in Ryder the last draft.

3. Kangaroos - Won't go for Leuenberger. Young rucks are probably there strength.

4. Brisbane - won't go for Sellar because he is similar to Mitch Clarke in many ways and is a good prospect. Unlikely to use first round pick on the same type 2 years running.

5. Port - will go best available

6. Hawks - won't go for Selwood whilst they have Mitchell,Hodge and Lewis who are all young and can get the hard ball.

7. Cats - won't go for Sellar because we get Hawkins who is also a not quite ruck but forward.

8. Richmond - won't go Selwood because Wallace is a speed freak.

9. Saints. wont go for any of the tall forwards unless a top shelf forward fell through. But if one fell this far down then they wouldn't be considered top shelf.

10. Pies. I doubt they would go for Jetta with guys like Didak and then Egan & Thomas coming thru as sneaky forwards/midfielders.

[mad-saint-guy]

Thats not a ruck division to write home about.

Kosi barely gets out on the park and is still un proven as a ruckmen and Rix is a ok back up ruckmen.

The rest you have mentioned are ordinary.

Thats like me saying Henneman, Bolton and Bradley are all tall defenders so we dont need to recruit a KP down back.

While Kosi hasn't consistently proven he can hold down the number one ruck spot over an entire season, bloody hell that four week period in 2005 was good. He absolutely dominated games and shown that he is easily our best player and has freakish talent.

Brooks was very, very stiff to not be selected earlier in the year as he was dominating for Casey and when he got his chance in with St Kilda he was fantastic. He did play mainly as a forward but he also spent about 40 minutes in the ruck and had some very good hitouts to advantage, got plenty of the ball and took a few good contested marks. Definately a prospect for the future.

Ackland seems to have gone backwards since 2005 but is still a serviceable backup ruckman. Has plenty of talent, but looks lazy and disinterested much of the time.

Rix will never be a world beater but every team needs a big, solid backup ruckman and is a bonus that he can also play in defence.

Blake should only ever play if he is dominating with Casey and there's a suitable match-up for him. GT just had too much faith in him, and I'd be surprised if he played more than 5-8 games next year with a new coach.

Besides, you can get away with not having a dominant ruckman if you've got an excellent midfield, and that is the main priority at the moment.

[sinepari]

Yeah but an excellent midfield is made that little bit better by a dominant ruckman.

[DBAH0]

1) Carlton - Gibbs. They get the gun midfielder to pair with Murphy.

2) Essendon - Hansen. I think with Fletcher only with a couple of years left, and the way Bradley has looked so far, the Bombers will go with Hansen, who'll be a fine key defender for them for the next 10 years.

3) Kangaroos - Gumbleton. Laidley and Stibbard will be stoked, they won't pass up the chance to pick up the next Carey.

4) Brisbane - Selwood. Really probably the hardest pick in the top 10, because the Lions could go a lot of ways. With Voss probably gone, the Lions need a good inside midfielder to replace him. They can draft a speedy midfielder with the pick they'll get for Akermanis, plus drafting Joel will keep Adam happy.

5) Port - Sellar. Local boy, and putting him with Lade and Tredrea will create matchup problems for opposing ruckman and key defenders. They'll go for him over Leunberger because he can play up forward as well, plus he won't go anywhere for the next 10 years.

6) Hawthorn - Thorp. As a Geelong supporter, very annoyed at this outcome, hence why I would love the Cats to trade into the top 6 to get a top notch KPP. Getting Thorp only adds to the Hawks young KPP's, and will allow for Roughead and Franklin to concentrate on playing up forward. Will probably play at CHB for the Hawks I would imagine, but he's pretty athletic so he could end up in the midfield even.

7) Geelong - Proud. A tough call here, tossup b/w Leunberger, Jetta and Proud. Since we have Mark Blake and Trent West 2 good young ruckman, I don't see getting another ruckman as a huge need. We drafted a Jetta clone in Travis Varcoe last season, so I don't know if we'll go for another out and out dasher again even though it's probably what we need, so I went with Proud. Hard and tough, but also quick, he'll fit in very nicely for our midfield, and it'll be nice to see him run the lines for us.

8) Richmond - Leunberger. Him or Benjamin, because Benjamin's the type of player Terry Wallace wants in his team. But getting a guy who could possibly go top 3, and filling a need position with Stafford gone, I couldn't see the Tigers passing up Leunberger here, even though they already have Simmonds. You need 2 good ruckman in this day and age of footy.

9) Saints - Riewoldt. Get the chance to draft Nick's cousin, they won't pass that up. Will be interesting to see how they can fit in the 2 Riewoldt's, Watts, and Koschiztke over the next few years, but the potential is there for all to see.

10) Collingwood - Jetta. Get a pacy midfielder which is exactly what they need. You can say they already have the likes of Didak and Thomas, but those guys will be playing up forward a lot, so they really need some speed through the actual midfield still to run the lines.

[sinepari]

Collingwood, IMO, would take an inside midfielder if they take one at all. Despite his skill and flair (etc), I don't think Jetta can become a true inside mid at AFL level.

I think they'll go one of Selwood / Proud / Hislop

[Pharaoh]

1) Carlton - Gibbs. They get the gun midfielder to pair with Murphy.

2) Essendon - Hansen. I think with Fletcher only with a couple of years left, and the way Bradley has looked so far, the Bombers will go with Hansen, who'll be a fine key defender for them for the next 10 years.

3) Kangaroos - Gumbleton. Laidley and Stibbard will be stoked, they won't pass up the chance to pick up the next Carey.

4) Brisbane - Selwood. Really probably the hardest pick in the top 10, because the Lions could go a lot of ways. With Voss probably gone, the Lions need a good inside midfielder to replace him. They can draft a speedy midfielder with the pick they'll get for Akermanis, plus drafting Joel will keep Adam happy.

5) Port - Sellar. Local boy, and putting him with Lade and Tredrea will create matchup problems for opposing ruckman and key defenders. They'll go for him over Leunberger because he can play up forward as well, plus he won't go anywhere for the next 10 years.

6) Hawthorn - Thorp. As a Geelong supporter, very annoyed at this outcome, hence why I would love the Cats to trade into the top 6 to get a top notch KPP. Getting Thorp only adds to the Hawks young KPP's, and will allow for Roughead and Franklin to concentrate on playing up forward. Will probably play at CHB for the Hawks I would imagine, but he's pretty athletic so he could end up in the midfield even.

7) Geelong - Proud. A tough call here, tossup b/w Leunberger, Jetta and Proud. Since we have Mark Blake and Trent West 2 good young ruckman, I don't see getting another ruckman as a huge need. We drafted a Jetta clone in Travis Varcoe last season, so I don't know if we'll go for another out and out dasher again even though it's probably what we need, so I went with Proud. Hard and tough, but also quick, he'll fit in very nicely for our midfield, and it'll be nice to see him run the lines for us.

8) Richmond - Leunberger. Him or Benjamin, because Benjamin's the type of player Terry Wallace wants in his team. But getting a guy who could possibly go top 3, and filling a need position with Stafford gone, I couldn't see the Tigers passing up Leunberger here, even though they already have Simmonds. You need 2 good ruckman in this day and age of footy.

9) Saints - Riewoldt. Get the chance to draft Nick's cousin, they won't pass that up. Will be interesting to see how they can fit in the 2 Riewoldt's, Watts, and Koschiztke over the next few years, but the potential is there for all to see.

10) Collingwood - Jetta. Get a pacy midfielder which is exactly what they need. You can say they already have the likes of Didak and Thomas, but those guys will be playing up forward a lot, so they really need some speed through the actual midfield still to run the lines.

Mate - why didn't you just copy and paste my list?

[sinepari]

Yeah it's getting annoying!

[TheBrownDog]

4) Brisbane - Selwood. Really probably the hardest pick in the top 10, because the Lions could go a lot of ways. With Voss probably gone, the Lions need a good inside midfielder to replace him. They can draft a speedy midfielder with the pick they'll get for Akermanis, plus drafting Joel will keep Adam happy.



Why would a West Coast player be happy to see another brother go to Brisbane? :p

I agree that our second pick will be used to pick up a speedy mid.

First pick will be Thorp or Selwood.

[Tigerbob]

Alot of people have us as taking Leunberger or Riewoldt with our first pick. Unless Hansen/Gumbleton slip to pick 9, there is absolutely no way we will take anyone other than a pure midfielder.

Look at our ruck stocks: Koschitzke (star), Brooks (hopefully he can come on), Ackland (solid backup ruckman), Rix (can't get the ball but he can neagate the opposition ruckman), Blake (emergency only).

There's 1 certain star ruckman there and 4 players competing for the backup spot, we don't need any more.

Then our KP forward stocks: (keeping in mind that one of Kosi/Brooks/Ackland will usually also be there) Riewoldt (star), Gehrig (star), Watts (will be good), Schwarze (can play as KP forward)
Tall Flankers: Goddard (altough will play midfield next year), R.Clarke, Schwarze, L.Fisher, Hamill, Voss (plays tall), Gwilt, Sweeney

Now, finally our midfield stocks: Hayes, Ball, Dal Santo, Baker, Harvey, Goddard (looking good so far), McQualter, McGough. And that's it. No backup.

Throw in a couple of Proud, Selwood, Hislop, Uquart or Connors and it looks a lot better. Espacially with the retirements of Powell and Peckett (Thompson wants to play on but I don't know if the new coach would want him) we are desperate for some midfield depth.


Your ruckstocks are ****zenhousen!

Kochitzke - Is not a pure ruckman, lacks peripheral vision and smarts required to be an outstanding ruckman. If the New Saints coach had any brains he would put Kosi in a forward pocket next to Gehrig and Riewolt and scare the opposition to death.

Ackland - Hack, pure and simple is worst than Knobel and should not be on the list next year, but because of your limited ruck stocks he will have to.

Brooks - Done absolutely nothing in his career since a promising U18 year, didnt get his chances under Grant Thomas, maybe might be servicable.

Rix - Was a very solid VFL player, about the standard for him.

Blake - A trier, but worst player on your list.

You guys need a ruckman more than anything on your list. After that you can get a quick, skilled midfielder in the second round.

[Davo-27]

1) Carlton - Gibbs. They get the gun midfielder to pair with Murphy.

2) Essendon - Hansen. I think with Fletcher only with a couple of years left, and the way Bradley has looked so far, the Bombers will go with Hansen, who'll be a fine key defender for them for the next 10 years.

3) Kangaroos - Gumbleton. Laidley and Stibbard will be stoked, they won't pass up the chance to pick up the next Carey.

4) Brisbane - Selwood. Really probably the hardest pick in the top 10, because the Lions could go a lot of ways. With Voss probably gone, the Lions need a good inside midfielder to replace him. They can draft a speedy midfielder with the pick they'll get for Akermanis, plus drafting Joel will keep Adam happy.

5) Port - Sellar. Local boy, and putting him with Lade and Tredrea will create matchup problems for opposing ruckman and key defenders. They'll go for him over Leunberger because he can play up forward as well, plus he won't go anywhere for the next 10 years.

6) Hawthorn - Thorp. As a Geelong supporter, very annoyed at this outcome, hence why I would love the Cats to trade into the top 6 to get a top notch KPP. Getting Thorp only adds to the Hawks young KPP's, and will allow for Roughead and Franklin to concentrate on playing up forward. Will probably play at CHB for the Hawks I would imagine, but he's pretty athletic so he could end up in the midfield even.


as a hawk supporter i'd be happy with any of the top 6.........jetta as a smoky, rather than sellar, but sellar does have big wraps on him..........

[Richo83]

Richmond doesn't need two ruckmen. Simmonds is like White and likes to dominte the ruck and have no-one else. Players like Knobel are still there and IMO we wouldn't use a 1st round pick on a ruckman when we can pick up one in the 2nd or 3rd round, such as a Renouf.

IMO Benjamin has much more of a chance of becoming a tiger than Leungberger. Benjamin fits into TW's plans perfectly. Do people think that Benjamin is good enough to use pick 8 on him?

[DBAH0]

Why would a West Coast player be happy to see another brother go to Brisbane? :p

I agree that our second pick will be used to pick up a speedy mid.

First pick will be Thorp or Selwood.
That's when Adam decides he wants to go to Brisbane after you draft his brother. ;)

Will be very interesting to see which way Brisbane go, because it looks like the top 3 picks are probably set, so it'll impact the rest of the 1st round.

[twaters]

Collingwood, IMO, would take an inside midfielder if they take one at all. Despite his skill and flair (etc), I don't think Jetta can become a true inside mid at AFL level.

I think they'll go one of Selwood / Proud / Hislop

Amen

[falkstar]

How silly is this. The thread starts with best available player, then its justifys other picks based on needs. Its always best available. Yes Saints need a ruckman of more quality now, how will that WA L....Berger help us. He will take 4-5 years minimum. By then we may not need one, due to others developing, trade etc. Thoughts?

[mad-saint-guy]

Kochitzke - Is not a pure ruckman, lacks peripheral vision and smarts required to be an outstanding ruckman. If the New Saints coach had any brains he would put Kosi in a forward pocket next to Gehrig and Riewolt and scare the opposition to death.

Ackland - Hack, pure and simple is worst than Knobel and should not be on the list next year, but because of your limited ruck stocks he will have to.

Brooks - Done absolutely nothing in his career since a promising U18 year, didnt get his chances under Grant Thomas, maybe might be servicable.

Rix - Was a very solid VFL player, about the standard for him.

Blake - A trier, but worst player on your list.

You guys need a ruckman more than anything on your list. After that you can get a quick, skilled midfielder in the second round.

Kosi: Has played his best footy in the ruck and CHB, would be wasted in a FP.

Ackland: Was ordinary this year but in 2005 he proved he has the talent. Finished 7th in our B&F and played most of the second half of the the year a PCL strain.

Brooks: Agree he hasn't achieved anything noteworthy, but he was fantastic in round 22 against Brisbane, both as a forward and ruckman. Was considered a possibility to go at pick 1 in the superdraft so certainly has the talent.

Rix: Agree. Will never be AFL standard but can fill a hole without being a liability.

Blake: Agree. 191cm and was played as our number one ruckman for most of the season when he would struggle to get a game with Carlton. Played two good games in his career. Unless he can find another role in the team he's gone.

The bottom line is that we have two ruckman that could be stars, a couple of ok backups and another emergency able to play different roles. In the midfield we have 5 or 6 excellent players, then nothing. No point in having ten superstar ruckmen if there's no one to hit it to.

[mad-saint-guy]

Collingwood, IMO, would take an inside midfielder if they take one at all. Despite his skill and flair (etc), I don't think Jetta can become a true inside mid at AFL level.

I think they'll go one of Selwood / Proud / Hislop

Exactly the same situation with St Kilda.

[philhawk]

Kosi: Has played his best footy in the ruck and CHB, would be wasted in a FP.

Ackland: Was ordinary this year but in 2005 he proved he has the talent. Finished 7th in our B&F and played most of the second half of the the year a PCL strain.

Brooks: Agree he hasn't achieved anything noteworthy, but he was fantastic in round 22 against Brisbane, both as a forward and ruckman. Was considered a possibility to go at pick 1 in the superdraft so certainly has the talent.

Rix: Agree. Will never be AFL standard but can fill a hole without being a liability.

Blake: Agree. 191cm and was played as our number one ruckman for most of the season when he would struggle to get a game with Carlton. Played two good games in his career. Unless he can find another role in the team he's gone.

The bottom line is that we have two ruckman that could be stars, a couple of ok backups and another emergency able to play different roles. In the midfield we have 5 or 6 excellent players, then nothing. No point in having ten superstar ruckmen if there's no one to hit it to.

Mate, you're being extremely optimistic there. Every team needs at least 1 quality ruckman in their side. I understand that Kosi is the Saints answer to this, but you're pinning your hopes on a 4 week period he had over a year ago?

We all know he has the talent, but I doubt he'll be lining up in the centre for a year as the new Saints coach will try to give him a permanent spot in the forward line (particularly if Gehrig decides to hang up the boots this year). So, assuming Kosi plays up forward, lets analyze the ruck departments in the AFL.

Weagles - Cox
Bulldogs - Street
Collingwood - Fraser
Melbourne - White
Tigers - Simmonds
Fremantle - Sandilands
Port Adelaide - Lade
Kangaroos - Hale/McIntosh
Sydney - Jolly

Brisbane - Charman
Essendon - Hille
Hawthorn - Cambell
Adelaide - Biglands
Geelong - King

Carlton - None
Saints - Brooks?

The first group are the teams who have a ruckmen of a high calibre. The next group also have some decent ruckmen, though whether they can join the 'upper echelon' we will see with time.

Carlton and Saints have the worst ruck stocks in the competition for mine, and it's been something that has been echoed on these boards for a long time.

Seeing as how the Saints have Pick 9, let's look at the teams in front of them,

Carlton - Wont pick the Burger Man - they'd get crucified for not picking Gibbs. They perhaps would need a good ruckmen EVEN more than the Saints, but I doubt that would happen.

Essendon - See Carlton

North - Have too many good ruckmen already

Brisbane - I dare say they could pick up Burger, but they at least have a promising ruck type in Cameron Wood coming through

Port - Wont opt for a ruckman (IMO), and if they do it will be a local boy in the KPP/Ruck, James Sellar

Hawks - I'd love to see us pick up Burger, but I only see this happening if Thorp, Sellar, Gibbs, Gumbleton and Hansen are all gone.

Geelong - I dare say they could also opt for someone like Burger, but they'll probably be more interested in picking up a fine young midfielder like Selwood/Proud

Saints - Leunberger would fit the Saints needs and by Pick 9, would be too talented NOT to pick up IMO ...

[mad-saint-guy]

I see where you're coming from, and yes, Kosi hasn't proven that he can hold down the number one ruck spot consistently, but everyone at St Kilda knows he can. Ackland has also proven he can hold his own against the best (as long as he's in decent form).

Brooks and Watts are both better forward than Kosi, and we don't need him in defence, so I don't see why he wouldn't ruck.

St Kilda's midfielders are all very one dimensional. They are either hard in-and-under players, or they are run and carry receivers. We need someone who can get his own footy, run with it and use it well.

[Richo83]

Richmond doesn't exist anymore Philhawk?

[sinepari]

MSG, surely you can find someone 2nd round that fits your midfield requirements?

[Cursed_Cat]

1. Carlton - Gibbs : best available

2. Essendon - Hansen : will eventually replace a battle-weary Fletcher as the Bombers gun KD, with the added bonus that he and Lucas will be virtually interchangeable

3. Kangaroos - Gumbleton : a more mobile KF to compliment the likes of Thompson/Hale/McIntosh

4. Lions - Jetta : I like the theory that this bloke will be drafted as an Aker-type replacement.

5. Port - Sellar : whilst Port don't have an obvious need for Sellar's services, I still think they'll bite at his potential and grab him. Deluca, Minson and Willits will be feeling uneasy, but Port'd be wise to groom him as a long-term replacement for Tredrea down the line ...

6. Hawthorn - Thorp : will add to their growing arsenal of young talls (Roughead, Franklin, Dawson, Dowler and ruckman Bailey) after securing Xavier Ellis with their first selection last year

7. Geelong - Proud : if Port don't jump the Cats on Proud (a real possibility) then I reckon the tough midfielder will be on his way to the Cattery - Bomber Thompson (who looks more and more likely to stay at this point) has already said he hopes the club draft kids that 'can run all day'

8. Richmond - Riewoldt : Tigers fans seem to think it unthinkable that Wallace and co. might not draft a running player; having glanced at their KP talent though, I'm convinced it could do with some bolstering; Thursfields future is uncertain ( i certainly hope he comes back ok from his knee injury, but it could take time), Ray Hall is a battler, Jay Schulz still has time but doesn't overly impress me, Pattison is more a ruckman/forward and the Bowden brothers are more flanker-types than true KPP's ... Richo is getting on .. Riewoldt, Hughes and Limbach will constitute the 'future' as far as the Tigers KPP stocks are concerned

9. St. Kilda - Leuenberger : would allow them to clear some dead wood in Rix, Ackland, Blake and probably Brooks, and also allow the Saints to play Koschitzke up forward with Riewoldt and Gehrig (Kosi should be priming himself to take over Gehrig's role when the G-train retires)

10. Collingwood - Selwood : will be a handy understudy to Buckley/Burns/Licuria/O'Bree, and will eventually be the main man in the middle once the older brigade hang up their collective boots

[vinnie_vegas69]

St Kilda's midfielders are all very one dimensional. They are either hard in-and-under players, or they are run and carry receivers. We need someone who can get his own footy, run with it and use it well.
Then you'd better hope you get a shot at Proud, because he's really the only midfielder who meets those requirements that will be in the mix for your 1st round pick.

[mad-saint-guy]

MSG, surely you can find someone 2nd round that fits your midfield requirements?

Maybe Hislop if we're lucky...Uquart sounds ok, but the main guy we need (as vinnie_vegas69 said) is Proud and we're not going to get him with pick 27.

[mad-saint-guy]

9. St. Kilda - Leuenberger : would allow them to clear some dead wood in Rix, Ackland, Blake and probably Brooks, and also allow the Saints to play Koschitzke up forward with Riewoldt and Gehrig (Kosi should be priming himself to take over Gehrig's role when the G-train retires)


That would leave us with two ruckmen on the list. One a player who hasn't strung a full season together for four years and the other an 18 year old that has never played against fully developed giants that he'd come across in the AFL.

8. Richmond - Riewoldt : Tigers fans seem to think it unthinkable that Wallace and co. might not draft a running player; having glanced at their KP talent though, I'm convinced it could do with some bolstering; Thursfields future is uncertain ( i certainly hope he comes back ok from his knee injury, but it could take time), Ray Hall is a battler, Jay Schulz still has time but doesn't overly impress me, Pattison is more a ruckman/forward and the Bowden brothers are more flanker-types than true KPP's ... Richo is getting on .. Riewoldt, Hughes and Limbach will constitute the 'future' as far as the Tigers KPP stocks are concerned

Riewoldts a flanker.

[Cursed_Cat]

That would leave us with two ruckmen on the list. One a player who hasn't strung a full season together for four years and the other an 18 year old that has never played against fully developed giants that he'd come across in the AFL.



Riewoldts a flanker.

Riewoldt is not a flanker, his size would compliment Pattison nicely, one giant, one more mobile ... keep whichever of the Saints bigmen ya like, I didn't neccessarily mean you'd axe the lot (but it'd be tempting no ?)

[Ysaye]

How silly is this. The thread starts with best available player, then its justifys other picks based on needs. Its always best available. Yes Saints need a ruckman of more quality now, how will that WA L....Berger help us. He will take 4-5 years minimum. By then we may not need one, due to others developing, trade etc. Thoughts?

I don't think he will take 4-5 years. A 4-5 year project is Dean Cox - not playing much senior footy when he was picked up onto the rookie list. A 2-3 year project is Ryder who plays senior football for 1 or 2 games in small bursts and shows glimpses.

Leuenburger has spent almost half a season playing in the WAFL seniors against seasoned ruckman (including guys like Gardiner and Bandy) and was very competitive against most ruckmen. Sure, he is not as fully developed body-wise, but how many years did it take before Kosi played? Or Justin Longmuir? Jeff White?

With Leuenburger, you get a very tall but also very footy-smart mobile player and has some decent experience/confidence against men.

[gandaal]

I don't think he will take 4-5 years. A 4-5 year project is Dean Cox - not playing much senior footy when he was picked up onto the rookie list. A 2-3 year project is Ryder who plays senior football for 1 or 2 games in small bursts and shows glimpses.

Leuenburger has spent almost half a season playing in the WAFL seniors against seasoned ruckman (including guys like Gardiner and Bandy) and was very competitive against most ruckmen. Sure, he is not as fully developed body-wise, but how many years did it take before Kosi played? Or Justin Longmuir? Jeff White?

With Leuenburger, you get a very tall but also very footy-smart mobile player and has some decent experience/confidence against men.
I'm pretty sure Kosi won the Rising Star award in his first year.

[dave_27]

Mate, you're being extremely optimistic there. Every team needs at least 1 quality ruckman in their side. I understand that Kosi is the Saints answer to this, but you're pinning your hopes on a 4 week period he had over a year ago?

We all know he has the talent, but I doubt he'll be lining up in the centre for a year as the new Saints coach will try to give him a permanent spot in the forward line (particularly if Gehrig decides to hang up the boots this year). So, assuming Kosi plays up forward, lets analyze the ruck departments in the AFL.

Weagles - Cox
Bulldogs - Street
Collingwood - Fraser
Melbourne - White
Tigers - Simmonds
Fremantle - Sandilands
Port Adelaide - Lade
Kangaroos - Hale/McIntosh
Sydney - Jolly

Brisbane - Charman
Essendon - Hille
Hawthorn - Cambell
Adelaide - Biglands
Geelong - King

Carlton - None
Saints - Brooks?


are you taking the p-ss phil?

Including Mcintosh in the group of ruckmen of high calibre is laughable ATM and a slap in the face to Charman and Hille who you rated below him.

AS far as rucking goes Josh Fraser in on par with Hille, and Charman is better than both.

[marcmurphy3]

I'm pretty sure Kosi won the Rising Star award in his first year.

Yeah but he won it playing at centre half back I think.

[sinepari]

are you taking the p-ss phil?

Including Mcintosh in the group of ruckmen of high calibre is laughable ATM and a slap in the face to Charman and Hille who you rated below him.

AS far as rucking goes Josh Fraser in on par with Hille, and Charman is better than both.

mate..he didn't put them in order...

[dave_27]

mate..he didn't put them in order...

They are in groups sinepari as he stated:

The first group are the teams who have a ruckmen of a high calibre. The next group also have some decent ruckmen, though whether they can join the 'upper echelon' we will see with time.

[sinepari]

my bad. Just that you didn't quote the whole thing. apologies.

[philhawk]

are you taking the p-ss phil?

Including Mcintosh in the group of ruckmen of high calibre is laughable ATM and a slap in the face to Charman and Hille who you rated below him.

AS far as rucking goes Josh Fraser in on par with Hille, and Charman is better than both.

Yes, perhaps McIntosh is a bit high. But Hale is a good ruckman and justifies his position.

In regards to Fraser, he is a very, very good ruckman for mine and to even consider not putting him in the top echelon is ludicrous. What's more, he has taken his team to two Grand Finals (not directly due to his presence, but he was a large factor), something Hille or Charman are yet to do by themselves.

[Ysaye]

Yeah but he won it playing at centre half back I think.

Riewoldt won it playing at CHB, but Kosi won it in his first year playing Ruck/Forward as I remember - which just underlines my point.