Carlton's No.1 Pick

[celtic_pride]

We all knew Hurn would be left didn't we...
In a weak draft the right move was made. It's like in poker just because you fold 7 2 and the flop comes 7 7 2 doesn't mean it's a bad play. No one wants to be a calling station.



They're top shelf. In the case of the bolded ones its a matter of finishing bottom 2 to get them... they should be quality. We've not legitamtely got that low for a while.
Simpson is an excellent find.



Kennedy will be a gun, but as Mojo says he is virtually the same as Gumbelton... a player we are likely to get for once. ATM we're relying on finding gems like Swallow and your Simpson.
Regarding Betts and Bentick being better than that group. I'd say only over McConnel who is an unknown at this stage. Betts can have his day though.



Anything is an indictment on Laidley... we want the man gone, or i do. To say that your group is "well ahead" though is farcical. Your number one and three extremely low draft picks hold that group of names together though. I'd have them on even terms... and for the amount of low draft picks you've had is an indictment on Pagan.


Our youth under 22 or thereabouts: (top 5 included)
Hale 22
Firrito 22
Grima 22
McConnel 20
Moran 19
Perry 19
McIntosh 22
Smith 19
Swallow 19
Trotter 20
Wells 21
Urch 22

Fantastic post and I would agree with most of what you have said. I cannot comment on a lot of those players as I have yet to see them play enough to make an realisitc assessment, although I am very impressed with Swallow, along with Bartram he was the steal of last year's draft.
But I suspect you are right, the problem at North is more to do with Laidley then any list management issue, I mean it's hardly the fans fault that the Roos traded early pick (s ?) for Jon Hay.
Moran looks very handy as well, and I hope he has a great 2007.
However call me an blind optimist or a fool, but I am really looking foward to watching Carlton in 2007 (esp to see Gibbs in a Carlton jumper and hopefully Marc Murphy and Josh Kennedy overcome their injury plagued debut seasons)
The other thing in the Roos favour is that they have never had an early top 5 draft pick (until they got Wells as part of that Carey trade) for finishing down in the bottom 4/5 of the ladder.
The old Priority Pick system probably did hurt clubs like the Roos and Geelong ffor not bottoming out like Hawthorn and Carlton and St.Kilda a few years ago.

[SeymourLions]

Fantastic post and I would agree with most of what you have said. I cannot comment on a lot of those players as I have yet to see them play enough to make an realisitc assessment, although I am very impressed with Swallow, along with Bartram he was the steal of last year's draft.
But I suspect you are right, the problem at North is more to do with Laidley then any list management issue, I mean it's hardly the fans fault that the Roos traded early pick (s ?) for Jon Hay.
Moran looks very handy as well, and I hope he has a great 2007.
However call me an blind optimist or a fool, but I am really looking foward to watching Carlton in 2007 (esp to see Gibbs in a Carlton jumper and hopefully Marc Murphy and Josh Kennedy overcome their injury plagued debut seasons)
The other thing in the Roos favour is that they have never had an early top 5 draft pick (until they got Wells as part of that Carey trade) for finishing down in the bottom 4/5 of the ladder.
The old Priority Pick system probably did hurt clubs like the Roos and Geelong ffor not bottoming out like Hawthorn and Carlton and St.Kilda a few years ago.

In terms of a list of most promosing youngsters i would go:

Smith
Wells
Moran
Swallow
McIntosh
Hale
McConnell
Trotter
Urch
Grima
Riggio
Hutchison

Smith WILL be a superstar, and Moran could be nothing, but he reminds me so much of a young Corey McKernan its not funny, hes 200cm's but is quicker than most of our midfielders.

[HBF]

HAHAHHA! Walker!

Good too see that they rate clangers so high at the Blues:thumbsu:

Did you even see a Carlton game this year? :rolleyes:

[celtic_pride]

In terms of a list of most promosing youngsters i would go:

Smith
Wells
Moran
Swallow
McIntosh
Hale
McConnell
Trotter
Urch
Grima
Riggio
Hutchison

Smith WILL be a superstar, and Moran could be nothing, but he reminds me so much of a young Corey McKernan its not funny, hes 200cm's but is quicker than most of our midfielders.

Yeah I've heard that Smith would have been an top 10 pick (possibly top 5) in the draft he was taken under F/S ...
I do hope he can get over that serious injury he got this season. It's very frustrating when topline youngsters get injured as it does tend to deflat supporters, I for one was very depressed when Marc Murphy did his shoulder against the Lions (not only as it probalby cost him the rising star award) but that he was in such good form that we probalby could have won a couple more games, that is how big an impact he had this year for Carlton.

[TheGeneral]

Silly people with no idea about our list.

our top 5 young guys are so much better than Carltons its not funny.
Wells then daylight mate.

Simpson, Walker, Murphy, Kennedy, Russell, Betts, Bower, Jackon and Edwards aren't to be sneezed at if you're a North supporter. McConnell, Smith and Trotter have been around for two-three years and can't be considered better than Walker hecause they've done nothing to this point.

Who else has shown they can play?

Swallow has received a rising star nomination but so did Sporn and that's no guarantee he'll be a player. Trotter can't even get a game and you still haven't felt the pinch from your trading yet.

What good is it having 3 rucks if you've got no one to hit the ball too?

[TheGeneral]

Did you even see a Carlton game this year? :rolleyes:
I think he missed Walker beating Shannon Grant.

And he's recovering from groin surgery so why has he had so many clangers this season. :rolleyes:

[SeymourLions]

Wells then daylight mate.

Simpson, Walker, Murphy, Kennedy, Russell, Betts, Bower, Jackon and Edwards aren't to be sneezed at if you're a North supporter. McConnell, Smith and Trotter have been around for two-three years and can't be considered better than Walker hecause they've done nothing to this point.

Who else has shown they can play?

Swallow has received a rising star nomination but so did Sporn and that's no guarantee he'll be a player. Trotter can't even get a game and you still haven't felt the pinch from your trading yet.

What good is it having 3 rucks if you've got no one to hit the ball too?


Carltons Top 5 Clearance Getters for 2006

Games/Clearances

1 Heath Scotland 22 76
2 Nick Stevens 20 63
3 Adam Bentick 20 58
4 Anthony Koutoufides 18 52

Kangaroo's Top 5 Clearance Getters for 2006

1 Adam Simpson 19 90
2 Daniel Harris 22 82
3 Daniel Wells 22 73
4 Brent Harvey 22 54
5 Corey Jones 22 47



to me that indicates otherwise, and Smith is better than Walker, that i have no doubt about.

[SeymourLions]

Compare that to Adelaides

1 Simon Goodwin 23 123
2 Tyson Edwards 21 77
3 Brent Reilly 23 59
4 Scott Thompson 22 56
5 Michael Doughty 22 54

And i dont think we stack up too badly

[SeymourLions]

I think he missed Walker beating Shannon Grant.

And he's recovering from groin surgery so why has he had so many clangers this season. :rolleyes:


I think you aso missed the fact that McConnell averaged the same amount of touches as Walker, playing half the game time, and the fact that Walker ranks 7th in the entire AFL for clangers :thumbsu:

[SeymourLions]

Carlton and North arguing over who has the better kids is like Austria and Switzerland arguing over who has the better navy.

Compare your young group to Melbourne, Brisbane, West Coast etc. To win a premiership that is where you have to get to.

Melbourne already have Sylvia, McLean, Bate, Batram, Davey, Bell, Miller, Rivers and Moloney in their best-22 and they are all under-23.

West Coast might win a premiership. If they do Hansen, Butler, Judd, Kerr, Lynch, Nicoski, Selwood, Seaby, Staker, Waters, Armstring, Rosa, LeCras and Sampi might all get medals. That is before guys like Morton and Hurn come into the equation.

North's "best 5 kids". You'd struggle to find 10 kids under-21, let alone 10 that could get a game on merit next year.

Ok Weaver here is a list of our 23 and unders, i think youl be surprised by the ones listed.

Petrie, Drew 106 23
Pratt, Daniel 38 23
Perkins, Justin 4 23
Whyman, Djaren 0 23
Schwarze, Ben 11 23
Sansbury, Edward 27 22
Firrito, Michael 58 22
Gibson, Joshua 11 22
Hale, David 59 22
Grima, Blake 5 22
Jones, Chad 6 22
Urch, Callum 8 22
McIntosh, Hamish 18 22
Wells, Daniel 84 21
Perry, Joel 8 21
McMahon, Scott 0 20
Trotter, David 5 20
McConnell, Daniel 6 20
Moran, Brad 2 19
Smith, Jesse W 6 19
Swallow, Andrew 12 19
Lower, Ed 4 19
Hutchison, Tim 0 18
Riggio, Matt 0 18

[Porthos]

I'm certainly surprised by how a squad with all those young guys can play like tired old men.

[whippersnipper]

I would rate Jesse Smith on par with Marc Murphy, and no that isnt a joke, thats how good this kid is. He was easily our best player in the pre-season games, and i think will go very close to the rising star in 2007, if he gets over his ankle.
As I said, I do rate Jesse Smith. But one decent youngster does not make a romising team, and personally I dont rate him the same as Murphy, but then again I obviously watch the Roos nearly as much as I do Carlton, so that is very much a subjective thing. But going on what he has actually done (which is very little) he doesn't compare to Murphy.

If you count Simpson, then we can count Wells, who is a year younger, and if you think Kade Simpson is anywhere near Wells' class then you are severely dissilussioned.
Ahh yes, Wells. Okay fair enough, I forgot him. But I havent seen Wells actually dominate a game at all this season. Seems like you have to be a Roos supporter to even realise he exists. It appears to me that Wells has peaked, and peaked early, while Kade Simpson is only just starting to elevate his game. Anywhere near Wells' class? If that's Wells' class, you have a serviceable player, but no superstar. Simpson has improvement in him, Wells doesnt, and for that I rate Simpson above Wells. But yes in term of what they have actually done, Wells has done more than Simpson, but I dont rate as highly because he seems to have peaked.

Well we cant really compare Hale, McIntosh or Moran to anyone Carlton has got because you dont have any ruckman. And if you had one of them you would be absolutely salivating over them. Kennedy has greater Talent or Promise, what do you consider that on, because he was a no.4 draft pick? You forget both Hale and Hamish were top 10 picks, and Moran is the most superior athlete to anyone over 195cm's let alone 200cm's i have ever seen.
I wouldnt salivate over any of them. As I said, Hale an overrated waste of a high pick, Moran hasnt done anything, and McIntosh I rate higher than the others, but its too early to tell.
I am talking about Kennedy on the basis of what I have SEEN of him, with my own eyes, much like you and McIntosh or Moran.
It seems as if YOU are the one going on about high draft picks, same as juddy_Like, because you have high draft picks there without a lot of action.

Murphy and Simpson are the only ones that have done anything either, seriously, is it that hard to stand out in a team that has struggled to win more than 10 games over 3 years?
What's your point here? In fact, to rate at all in a side that struggles to win shows that the player in question must have something on offer. And I would add Simpson to that list thank you. A 30 possession game, a 28 possession game and 11 other 20+ possessions game under your theory would surely class having 'shown something'

And Swallow isnt going to be pure class? when this guy gets introduced to the gym over the summer, watch out, as he looks to be an A grade prospect for the future.
Again, you are wetting you pants over someone who has only been around for a season. I said I rated him, on the basis of a few glimpses that I have seen, but he has only been around one season.

McConnell has done alot in the time he has been given, his stats look extremely impressive given the fact he only played 2 quarters in each of his appearances.
Wow, four games. Impressive. Again, only glimpses, and I do recall Walker getting 23 (I think) possessions in his first game. If he had managed to do that over say 10-12 games then you might have a case. But in the meantime, you are just clutching at a few decent quarters here and there.

Then we come to the lesser knowns in Trotter, Urch, Grima all of whom for one reason or another havnt strung the games together to be seen. Trotter will be good if he gets his body right, otherwise he will be delisted, has the talent, maybe not the desire, but he isnt one to be overlooked.
Question wasnt on untried youngsters, and it contradicts your entire post- we have plenty of them just like you. Every club does. So what?

You can throw in Gibb's, and we will throw in Gumbleton or Hansen, im happy with that, as we are set in almost all area's, and in the next few drafts can concentrate on recruiting just midfielders.
If thats what you think:p

[TheGeneral]

I think you aso missed the fact that McConnell averaged the same amount of touches as Walker, playing half the game time, and the fact that Walker ranks 7th in the entire AFL for clangers :thumbsu:
McConnell isn't as talented so good luck with him and Trotter if they can get their bodies right to play 22 weeks. :cool:

Add four top 36 picks this year and our list is definitely in better shape than the Roos.

[whippersnipper]

I think you aso missed the fact that McConnell averaged the same amount of touches as Walker, playing half the game time, and the fact that Walker ranks 7th in the entire AFL for clangers :thumbsu:
Walker- 22 games

McConnell- 4 games

McConnell playing half the game time as Walker? Source?

[gandaal]

21 and under

Bentick
Betts
Blackwell
Bower
Kennedy
Murphy
Russell
Walker


vs

McConnell
Moran
Perry
Smith
Swallow
Trotter
Wells

I'm pretty sure which group I'd choose.

[SeymourLions]

As I said, I do rate Jesse Smith. But one decent youngster does not make a romising team, and personally I dont rate him the same as Murphy, but then again I obviously watch the Roos nearly as much as I do Carlton, so that is very much a subjective thing. But going on what he has actually done (which is very little) he doesn't compare to Murphy.


Ahh yes, Wells. Okay fair enough, I forgot him. But I havent seen Wells actually dominate a game at all this season. Seems like you have to be a Roos supporter to even realise he exists. It appears to me that Wells has peaked, and peaked early, while Kade Simpson is only just starting to elevate his game. Anywhere near Wells' class? If that's Wells' class, you have a serviceable player, but no superstar. Simpson has improvement in him, Wells doesnt, and for that I rate Simpson above Wells. But yes in term of what they have actually done, Wells has done more than Simpson, but I dont rate as highly because he seems to have peaked.


I wouldnt salivate over any of them. As I said, Hale an overrated waste of a high pick, Moran hasnt done anything, and McIntosh I rate higher than the others, but its too early to tell.
I am talking about Kennedy on the basis of what I have SEEN of him, with my own eyes, much like you and McIntosh or Moran.
It seems as if YOU are the one going on about high draft picks, same as juddy_Like, because you have high draft picks there without a lot of action.


What's your point here? In fact, to rate at all in a side that struggles to win shows that the player in question must have something on offer. And I would add Simpson to that list thank you. A 30 possession game, a 28 possession game and 11 other 20+ possessions game under your theory would surely class having 'shown something'


Again, you are wetting you pants over someone who has only been around for a season. I said I rated him, on the basis of a few glimpses that I have seen, but he has only been around one season.


Wow, four games. Impressive. Again, only glimpses, and I do recall Walker getting 23 (I think) possessions in his first game. If he had managed to do that over say 10-12 games then you might have a case. But in the meantime, you are just clutching at a few decent quarters here and there.


Question wasnt on untried youngsters, and it contradicts your entire post- we have plenty of them just like you. Every club does. So what?


If thats what you think:p


Ok i see alot of stupid comments in here,

It appears to me that Wells has peaked, and peaked early, while Kade Simpson is only just starting to elevate his game.

On Wells: He is 21 years old, to say that hes peaked is the most rediculous thing ive ever heard, and to say that you havnt seen Wells dominate a game this season, Well he had 30 touches against Adelaide, arguably the most hardworking midfield in the comp. He has dominated games before this season, hardly something Kade simpson has done? Wells polled 2nd in our B & F, and as you wouldnt realise, because you rpobably dont watch our games, Wells played a predominantly defensive role for most of the season, so he must of done what the coach was asking of him

Swallow:Again, you are wetting you pants over someone who has only been around for a season.

Ok one season fair enough, i can say exactly the same thing about murphy.


A 30 possession game, a 28 possession game and 11 other 20+ possessions game under your theory would surely class having 'shown something'


Seeing as you ranked #2 in the AFL in kicks, and won 3 games, it doesnt hold much sway no.

Again, only glimpses, and I do recall Walker getting 23 (I think) possessions in his first game.



Moran hasnt done anything

I also recall moran getting 22 touches and 10 marks in his first game, then holding buckley in a run-with job in his second, for a guy thats 200cm's, i call that "something".

[Carnthe]

To say Wells has peaked is certainly clutching at straws and borderline crazytalk.

[SeymourLions]

21 and under

Bentick
Betts
Blackwell
Bower
Kennedy
Murphy
Russell
Walker


vs

McConnell
Moran
Perry
Smith
Swallow
Trotter
Wells

I'm pretty sure which group I'd choose.

To have 3 wooden spoons and a 15th in 5 years time, i know which one id choose too.

[HBF]

To have 3 wooden spoons and a 15th in 5 years time, i know which one id choose too.

To be based on the Gold Coast or Timbuctoo, I know which club i'd choose :p

[Rhys87]

To have 3 wooden spoons and a 15th in 5 years time, i know which one id choose too.

It's about premierships, no one remembers spoons. I think we have a young group closer to a premiership than your group......

And by the way how many spoons do you have?

[CrazyQ]

Boy then, we seem to get a lot of people just posting their 'honest opnions' that Carlton should not draft Gibbs and happily let him go to their club or at least give their club the choice (or infer as much). I also love it when Essendon and North supporters say (after thier original post of course), that oh no, we wouldnt take Gibbs, we need KPP. Face it, if you could take Gibbs, you would- in a flash. In other words, I dont believe you.

What would we do if Gardiner goes before the PSD? We draft someone like Keating or possibly Laycock in the PSD, and besides, if Sheedy wants him, he certainly aint gonna pay the Weagles anything for him in the draft when he is worth nothing and the 'Dons know they need all the picks they can get, like us. We will have the pick in the PSD, thats for sure. Then, next year, we draft a QUALITY ruckmen early in the draft. This year, with our picks the way they are, we wouldnt pick up a ruckman definitely worth the pick, unless in a dream world Leuenberger falls to 17.

Oh, and no North supporter should lecture even a Carlton supporter on ruckmen. Mark Porter anyone?
Sorry, I'd rather Gumbleton or Hansen in front of Gibbs.

And please, stop trying to act as if Gibbs is the next Judd, he isnt.

Gumbleotn Please :)

[SeymourLions]

Walker- 22 games

McConnell- 4 games

McConnell playing half the game time as Walker? Source?


My eyes, McConnell played a total of around 60 minutes in each of those games. Yet he still racked up around 18 touches in each of those games

[CrazyQ]

In one game McConnell played 48 minutes and collected 17 possies.

[CrazyQ]

Russell has done nothing. So too Jackson, Bower, Kennedy etc.

Murphy, Walker, Simpson are the ones who are good and have actually done good things in the AFL.

Wells has done alot of good, McConnell has averaged 18 possies from his 4-5 games this year. Smith is in the Kennedy category in that he will be a star.

Perry played 7 games this year and was only beaten once, when Hentschell kicked 3 goals, is that really a beating though? I'd say he is in front of Bower who wont be a real KPP. More of a winger/HBF.

Norths youngsters get underrated IMO.

[Roosurgence]

It's about premierships, no one remembers spoons. I think we have a young group closer to a premiership than your group......

And by the way how many spoons do you have?

Carlton close to a flag! LOL

What have you been doing with those spoons? Beating each other around the head!

Both sides are not even close to a flag, so that is the dumbest comment I've ever heard. It nearly tops the Hawthorn will be premiers in 2002 comment by Schwaby!

I think you Carlton supporters need to join up with the Dawks! Both groups have serious delusions about their lists!

[Weaver]

Ok Weaver here is a list of our 23 and unders, i think youl be surprised by the ones listed.

Petrie, Drew 106 23
Pratt, Daniel 38 23
Perkins, Justin 4 23
Whyman, Djaren 0 23
Schwarze, Ben 11 23
Sansbury, Edward 27 22
Firrito, Michael 58 22
Gibson, Joshua 11 22
Hale, David 59 22
Grima, Blake 5 22
Jones, Chad 6 22
Urch, Callum 8 22
McIntosh, Hamish 18 22
Wells, Daniel 84 21
Perry, Joel 8 21
McMahon, Scott 0 20
Trotter, David 5 20
McConnell, Daniel 6 20
Moran, Brad 2 19
Smith, Jesse W 6 19
Swallow, Andrew 12 19
Lower, Ed 4 19
Hutchison, Tim 0 18
Riggio, Matt 0 18

Petrie was born in '82, he is 24 in a couple of weeks. Plenty of those guys would be delisted at another club. Grima and Perry are yet to show much.

Not having a dig at the Kangas, simple truth is you traded away picks for players and then took mature guys like LeCras and rookies like Gibson and Perkins. You made your bed and now have to lie in it.

Roos mortgaged their future. Take it up with Arden St, not Bigfooty.

[SeymourLions]

Petrie was born in '82, he is 24 in a couple of weeks. Plenty of those guys would be delisted at another club. Grima and Perry are yet to show much.

Not having a dig at the Kangas, simple truth is you traded away picks for players and then took mature guys like LeCras and rookies like Gibson and Perkins. You made your bed and now have to lie in it.

Roos mortgaged their future. Take it up with Arden St, not Bigfooty.

id like to know who in their right mind would delist Pratt after this year, he was one of our real positives.

[whippersnipper]

Russell has done nothing. So too Jackson, Bower, Kennedy etc.

Murphy, Walker, Simpson are the ones who are good and have actually done good things in the AFL.

Wells has done alot of good, McConnell has averaged 18 possies from his 4-5 games this year. Smith is in the Kennedy category in that he will be a star.

Perry played 7 games this year and was only beaten once, when Hentschell kicked 3 goals, is that really a beating though? I'd say he is in front of Bower who wont be a real KPP. More of a winger/HBF.

Norths youngsters get underrated IMO.

Walker, Fisher, Waite and Simpson (just about)- all 50+ games.

Only Wells of the Roos decent youngsters (and Petrie according that list, but he's pushing it) has played over 50+ games

The rest are speculative (along with Kennedy, Blackwell etc. at Carlton I know)

Then when you throw in Murphy into that list who plays like he has at least 50 games up, and Betts with around 40 odd games, you have a young list far ahead of the Roos.

[SeymourLions]

Walker, Fisher, Waite and Simpson (just about)- all 50+ games.

Only Wells of the Roos decent youngsters (and Petrie according that list, but he's pushing it) has played over 50+ games

The rest are speculative (along with Kennedy, Blackwell etc. at Carlton I know)

Then when you throw in Murphy into that list who plays like he has at least 50 games up, and Betts with around 40 odd games, you have a young list far ahead of the Roos.

Dingbat, your forgetting Hale, Pratt (just about), Firrito, the latter, whom alot of Roo's supporters see as the future captain of the club. throw into that list swallow who plays like he has at least 50 games up, Petrie and Wells whom have 30+ games on the Carlton boys, id disagree

So were talking experience, heres your list.

Petrie, Wells, Hale, Firrito, Pratt against Walker, Fisher, Waite, Simpson, Betts

gee which ones have performeed better, il leave you to be the judge :cool:

[trueblue_91]

Dingbat, your forgetting Hale, Pratt (just about), Firrito, the latter, whom alot of Roo's supporters see as the future captain of the club. throw into that list swallow who plays like he has at least 50 games up, Petrie and Wells whom have 30+ games on the Carlton boys, id disagree

So were talking experience, heres your list.

Petrie, Wells, Hale, Firrito, Pratt against Walker, Fisher, Waite, Simpson, Betts

gee which ones have performeed better, il leave you to be the judge :cool:

a) I would still prefer the blues kids no offence.
b) youu left out murphy and kennedy

[whippersnipper]

Dingbat, your forgetting Hale, Pratt (just about), Firrito, the latter, whom alot of Roo's supporters see as the future captain of the club. throw into that list swallow who plays like he has at least 50 games up, Petrie and Wells whom have 30+ games on the Carlton boys, id disagree

So were talking experience, heres your list.

Petrie, Wells, Hale, Firrito, Pratt against Walker, Fisher, Waite, Simpson, Betts

gee which ones have performeed better, il leave you to be the judge :cool:
I didnt forget Hale- I think he is sh1t.
I don't rate Pratt either- reject from two clubs including your own.
Firrito doesnt win enough of the ball and taggers dont win you premierships, expecially if that is their only dimension.

Petrie and Wells are the only two decent players in that list.

[SeymourLions]

I didnt forget Hale- I think he is sh1t.
I don't rate Pratt either- reject from two clubs including your own.
Firrito doesnt win enough of the ball and taggers dont win you premierships, expecially if that is their only dimension.

Petrie and Wells are the only two decent players in that list.

or youve never seen Pratt play, ever?
or youve never seen Firrito play, ever?
or none of those bluebaggers would ever have played so many games, only because they're in a ****ing sh1t team?

[SeymourLions]

a) I would still prefer the blues kids no offence.
b) youu left out murphy and kennedy

he was debating about experience. I left out swallow and smith too.

[Rhys87]

Carlton close to a flag! LOL

What have you been doing with those spoons? Beating each other around the head!

Both sides are not even close to a flag, so that is the dumbest comment I've ever heard. It nearly tops the Hawthorn will be premiers in 2002 comment by Schwaby!

I think you Carlton supporters need to join up with the Dawks! Both groups have serious delusions about their lists!

you need to read people's post probably you idiot!
i said closer than Kangaroos not close.

[whippersnipper]

or youve never seen Pratt play, ever?
or youve never seen Firrito play, ever?
or none of those bluebaggers would ever have played so many games, only because they're in a ****ing sh1t team?
Whatever...

[sput1956]

I'm certainly surprised by how a squad with all those young guys can play like tired old men.

You are certainly not alone on that count mate.

[sput1956]

Ok i see alot of stupid comments in here.

The bloke specialises in them. Avoid him.

[barwick]

The bloke specialises in them. Avoid him.
The blues need a ruckman and the feeling is that they will take gibbs because of the connection between glenelg and kernahan, but who really knows what the football club is thinking only time will tell!

[TheHeatleyStand]

The blues need a ruckman and the feeling is that they will take gibbs because of the connection between glenelg and kernahan, but who really knows what the football club is thinking only time will tell!


bananas.!!!!.. were taking gibbs because he is the best player ...

we will leave caruso for you to take with your first pick.. because youre in desperate need for short forwards now that dudak has blown his knee..

ok???

:thumbsu:

[TheHeatleyStand]

or youve never seen Pratt play, ever?
or youve never seen Firrito play, ever?
or none of those bluebaggers would ever have played so many games, only because they're in a ****ing sh1t team?
sounds like the roos have this gun football team with a heap of promising kids... and there is no stopping them...
spunds like the roos also have this drafting thing downpaT youre now lecturing us what to do with our picks...

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA