Carlton's No.1 Pick

[hulld]

As a Carlton or neutral supporter do you think Carlton will use the no. 1 pick to draft Gibbs or draft a player to fill a hole in your team. I believe that Carlton have quite a few good young on-ballers such as Murphy, Bentick, Simpson, Blackwell and Walker will end up turning into a midfielder. While Nick Stevens is only 26.

Obviously Carlton's weakness is the defence and ruck stocks. So would Carlton be better to pick up a Hansen, Gumbleton or a Leuenberger. Everybody has heard about Hansen and Gumbleton, and Liam Pickering last night compared Leuenberger to Dean Cox.

Please state whether or not you are a Carlton supporter.

[KUNG FU]

That keen on Gibbs? Well you probably should be ;)

I think the consensus has finally settled on Gibbs. I think Carlton have enough KP forward types in Fevola & Kennedy. Waite & Whitnall defence is OK, but they could sure use Hansen as well. But personally, I think the difference Gibbs between Hansen is just significant enough for them to stick with Gibbs. Also there is a friendship & Glenelg connection between Sticks and Gibbs' father (if that has any bearing on it)

[HBF]

1st choice - Gibbs
2nd choice - Gumby/Hansen (Can't split)

[whippersnipper]

Its amazing all the Essendon and Adelaide supporters trying to convince themselves that Carlton wont take Gibbs so he can either slip to Essendon at 2, or slip to Adelaide at 2 through trading with Essendon. WON'T HAPPEN. Gibbs is an out and out gun and he will be a Blue next year without doubt. Talent-wise, it appears that he is ahead of both Gumbleton and Hansen, and Carlton wont miss an opportunity to sign up (hopefully) another Judd.

Oh, and won't bother to state my affliations, as it is plain for all to see. Have a lovely day:)

[PoZ_UtD]

Carlton want to have an awesome midfield in years to come like Eagles have today.

Carlton should just take the best available player so if its Gibbs then take him

[KUNG FU]

Its amazing all the Essendon and Adelaide supporters trying to convince themselves that Carlton wont take Gibbs so he can either slip to Essendon at 2, or slip to Adelaide at 2 through trading with Essendon. WON'T HAPPEN. Gibbs is an out and out gun and he will be a Blue next year without doubt. Talent-wise, it appears that he is ahead of both Gumbleton and Hansen, and Carlton wont miss an opportunity to sign up (hopefully) another Judd.

Oh, and won't bother to state my affliations, as it is plain for all to see. Have a lovely day:)

Didn't read my post? ;)

[FieryNayta]

Its pure and simple. We take the best talent at every stage in the draft.

Its becoming more and more aparent that Gibbs will be our number one pick and we should take him despite deficiencies in ruck and defence.

West Coast have a skinny forward line, but it doesnt matter as they are so strong through the middle.

At the end of the day, the most action is happening in the guts of the ground, and thats where you want to be at your best. A game is won or lost in the middle, and the reason that west coast dont lose too many games.

[whippersnipper]

Didn't read my post? ;)
Did read your post and am aware that you are an Adelaide supporter. Was referring more to the OP (who is Essendon), and the countless posters on the Adelaide board sadly trying to convince themselves of a dreamworld in which Carlton or Essendon will be happy to accept some of Adelaide fringe players in return for Gibbs. Therefore, you are an exception to the general Adelaide supporter rule of insanity.

[KUNG FU]

What do Carlton supporters think about trading #1 for two first round picks in an effort to get Leueneburger & Riewoldt? Or any other number of players?

Filling the gaps with two quality rookies or playing safe with the sure-fire Gibbs?

[whippersnipper]

What do Carlton supporters think about trading #1 for two first round picks in an effort to get Leueneburger & Riewoldt? Or any other number of players?

Filling the gaps with two quality rookies or playing safe with the sure-fire Gibbs?
I was wrong about you then- you are one of those supporters. As for your idea- PASS.

[KUNG FU]

Did read your post and am aware that you are an Adelaide supporter. Was referring more to the OP (who is Essendon), and the countless posters on the Adelaide board sadly trying to convince themselves of a dreamworld in which Carlton or Essendon will be happy to accept some of Adelaide fringe players in return for Gibbs. Therefore, you are an exception to the general Adelaide supporter rule of insanity.

I think you'll find 95% of the Crows supporters agree that its next to impossible and most of the discussion was entirely for argument's sake. In terms of needs though, we probably need Gumby more, so #2 would still be something we should be very interested in acquiring. You can't blame us for trying especially when we still feel robbed! :(

[whippersnipper]

I think you'll find 95% of the Crows supporters agree that its next to impossible and most of the discussion was entirely for argument's sake. In terms of needs though, we probably need Gumby more, so #2 would still be something we should be very interested in acquiring. You can't blame us for trying especially when we still feel robbed! :(
I certainly dont blame anyone for trying- much like the Saints supporters try to do to us in regards to Goddard. All i'm saying is that the chances of Gibbs ever playing for Adelaide are next to nothing, just like Goddard playing for Carlton.

[scooter600x]

What do Carlton supporters think about trading #1 for two first round picks in an effort to get Leueneburger & Riewoldt? Or any other number of players?

Filling the gaps with two quality rookies or playing safe with the sure-fire Gibbs?
This is a far more interesting question.

Let's say Carlton was worried about Gibbs going home and wanted Luenberger/Hansen/Gumbleton/Thorp.

Would they trade pick 1 to Port for picks 6 & 23?

Would Port do it?

[macca69]

Gibbs is a near certainty to go to Carlton IMO.

[Rhys87]

port would need more than pick 6 & 23 to get pick 1, IMO.

[Jack-Packenham]

Geelong - 1st pick Carlton

Collingwood / St Kilda / Hawthorn - James Kelly & Kane Tenace

Carlton - 1st pick Geelong & 1st pick Coll/STK/Haw


Cats get Gibbs to add to Bartel, Corey, Chapman, G Ablett, Rooke, Enright etc

Collingwood, Hawthorn or St Kilda get 2 midfielders

Carlton get Leuenberger & Sellwood/Proud/Jetta. A quality young ruckman and a gun young midfielder

[KUNG FU]

port would need more than pick 6 & 23 to get pick 1, IMO.

:thumbsu:

I'd say it would take 6 & 10. Even though I'm first on the "super draft" band wagon, after pick 3, there will be some hits and misses. Nonetheless, that would be a very tempting offer to the Blues. Personally, I'd prefer Leueneburger and Riewoldt at the Blues.

[KUNG FU]

why would you guys tank so many games if you were going to throw away brice gibbs like that. seem pretty stupid.

Because two great players is better than one. Teams win flags not superstars.

[Weaver]

Carlton addressed their KP problems last year by taking Paul Bower, Josh Kennedy and Jake Edwards. They also have Adam Hartlett. Setanta O'hAilpin was BOG for Preston last week. Rookie list pair Ryan Jackson and Craig Flint have promise. Waite, Thornton, Walker and Fisher are all under-23.

Some or all of them may be duds but they have some options they need to work through.

The midfield on the other hand needs a lot more work. Can't see any other option than Gibbs. Add another big-bloke with their double-picks in the second round.

[HBF]

Carlton addressed their KP problems last year by taking Paul Bower, Josh Kennedy and Jake Edwards. They also have Adam Hartlett. Setanta O'hAilpin was BOG for Preston last week. Rookie list pair Ryan Jackson and Craig Flint have promise. Waite, Thornton, Walker and Fisher are all under-23.

Some or all of them may be duds but they have some options they need to work through.

The midfield on the other hand needs a lot more work. Can't see any other option than Gibbs. Add another big-bloke with their double-picks in the second round.

Agree with that Weaver. Gibbs should just about be a lock for our first pick, and then with pick 17 i'd go for one of either (in order of preferance) Daniel Connors, Ricky Petterd, Brock O'Brien, David Armitage or Bacher Houli.

With 19, i'd like them to consider Chris Schmidt or James Hawksley.

With our remaining picks, this should be done on the best available talent. Wouldn't mind picking up a Travis Boak with our 3rd pick.

[LukeHodge15]

Agree with that Weaver. Gibbs should just about be a lock for our first pick, and then with pick 17 i'd go for one of either (in order of preferance) Daniel Connors, Ricky Petterd, Brock O'Brien, David Armitage or Bacher Houli.

With 19, i'd like them to consider Chris Schmidt or James Hawksley.

With our remaining picks, this should be done on the best available talent. Wouldn't mind picking up a Travis Boak with our 3rd pick.

if i was carlton. u have to address what adelaide has to offer [ or any club for that matter ] for the rights to pick 1.

carlton would seriously have to think about 2 high first rounders for pick 1 imo.

[gandaal]

if i was carlton. u have to address what adelaide has to offer [ or any club for that matter ] for the rights to pick 1.

carlton would seriously have to think about 2 high first rounders for pick 1 imo.
And how would Adelaide get their hands on two high first rounders? By the looks of things they won't even have one.

[LukeHodge15]

And how would Adelaide get their hands on two high first rounders? By the looks of things they won't even have one.

say they get hold of pick 4 or 5.

would u accept pick 4 or 5 and pick 16 for pick 1.

its an interesting scenerio that u would have to look at imo.

[gandaal]

say they get hold of pick 4 or 5.

would u accept pick 4 or 5 and pick 16 for pick 1.

its an interesting scenerio that u would have to look at imo.
Who would they trade to get pick 4 or 5? Unless they give up Rutten or Port and Brisbane have a brain freeze of some sort that aint going to happen.

But would I take that... I would seriously consider it but there are a lot of benefits of having the number 1 selection that goes beyond the value of the player selected in many ways (marketing, membership, corporate support, ect). As such, taking into account our current financial situation, I'd probably say no.

[whippersnipper]

Geelong - 1st pick Carlton

Collingwood / St Kilda / Hawthorn - James Kelly & Kane Tenace

Carlton - 1st pick Geelong & 1st pick Coll/STK/Haw


Cats get Gibbs to add to Bartel, Corey, Chapman, G Ablett, Rooke, Enright etc

Collingwood, Hawthorn or St Kilda get 2 midfielders

Carlton get Leuenberger & Sellwood/Proud/Jetta. A quality young ruckman and a gun young midfielder

A far more likely scenario would be:

Gibbs to Carlton.

[ant555]

Its amazing all the Essendon and Adelaide supporters trying to convince themselves that Carlton wont take Gibbs so he can either slip to Essendon at 2, or slip to Adelaide at 2 through trading with Essendon. WON'T HAPPEN. Gibbs is an out and out gun and he will be a Blue next year without doubt. Talent-wise, it appears that he is ahead of both Gumbleton and Hansen, and Carlton wont miss an opportunity to sign up (hopefully) another Judd.

Oh, and won't bother to state my affliations, as it is plain for all to see. Have a lovely day:)


Not me i will be more than happy if we take Hansen :)

[sinepari]

Gibbs is not another Judd. Full Stop!

[sput1956]

I follow North and I think Carlton will be better served by taking Leunberger. Have you seen this kid play? He is a freak. Classy midfielders come and go but top shelf ruckmen are a rarity.

I can't see where Gumbleton or Hansen are a priority over a ruckman either. The Blues have FF stitched up for at least another five years with Fevola, they have the very promising Josh Kennedy to step into CHF and they have one of the best CHB's in Whitnall with Livingston and Thornton being the other servicable big defenders.

Ruckmen, small forwards and onballers with pace is what the blues require.

Carlton could then look at adding Gardiner with PSD 1. This gives Leunberger some breathing space for his developement whilst still allowing him to play senior football from day 1. If Gardiner can recapture some of his old form then Carlton could very well have the most potent rucking combination in the competition in a couple of years.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Gibbs is not another Judd. Full Stop!Yeah but Judd wasn't Judd either when he first started out, if you get my drift. How you can make the call on how good someone will be before they have played an AFL game is beyond me.

[whippersnipper]

I follow North and I think Carlton will be better served by taking Leunberger. Have you seen this kid play? He is a freak. Classy midfielders come and go but top shelf ruckmen are a rarity.

I can't see where Gumbleton or Hansen are a priority over a ruckman either. The Blues have FF stitched up for at least another five years with Fevola, they have the very promising Josh Kennedy to step into CHF and they have one of the best CHB's in Whitnall with Livingston and Thornton being the other servicable big defenders.

Ruckmen, small forwards and onballers with pace is what the blues require.

Carlton could then look at adding Gardiner with PSD 1. This gives Leunberger some breathing space for his developement whilst still allowing him to play senior football from day 1. If Gardiner can recapture some of his old form then Carlton could very well have the most potent rucking combination in the competition in a couple of years.

Haha, now it is North supporters with their number 3 pick as well. So far we have Essendon, Adelaide, Geelong and North all trying to infer to us that Gibbs is a dud and that we should pick up Leuenberger or Gumbleton or Hansen OR trade for two lesser picks or players. AINT GONNA HAPPEN. Shows how desparate everyone is to pick the kid. All the more reason to pick him. Keep going, please- it is amusing:D. Hansen is the ONLY other player that Carlton would remotely look at, and he would still be a long odds to take over the number one pick from Gibbs.

You read it here for the thousandth time- Bryce Gibbs is a BLUE.

[sput1956]

Haha, now it is North supporters with their number 3 pick as well. So far we have Essendon, Adelaide, Geelong and North all trying to infer to us that Gibbs is a dud and that we should pick up Leuenberger or Gumbleton or Hansen OR trade for two lesser picks or players. AINT GONNA HAPPEN. Shows how desparate everyone is to pick the kid. All the more reason to pick him. Keep going, please- it is amusing:D. Hansen is the ONLY other player that Carlton would remotely look at, and even he is starting to look a little off Gibbs' pace.

You read it here for the thousandth time- Bryce Gibbs is a BLUE.

Incorrect mate, I have posted my honest opinion as to how I percieve Carltons needs.

Where did I ever state that Gibbs was a dud? He wouldn't get past Essendon. We need KPP's anyway.

Tell me, what are Carlton going to do if they pass up Leunberger and Gardiner goes before the PSD? Sellar isn't going to last until the priority pick. If Carlton doesn't pull its finger out and draft or trade for a ruckman soon then your midfielders are going to get butchered for years.

[whippersnipper]

Incorrect mate, I have posted my honest opinion as to how I percieve Carltons needs. He won't get past Essendon. We need KPP's anyway.

Tell me, what are Carlton going to do if they pass up Leunberger and Gardiner goes before the PSD? Sellar isn't going to last until the priority pick. If Carlton doesn't pull its finger out and draft or trade for a ruckman soon then your midfielders are going to get butchered for years.

Boy then, we seem to get a lot of people just posting their 'honest opnions' that Carlton should not draft Gibbs and happily let him go to their club or at least give their club the choice (or infer as much). I also love it when Essendon and North supporters say (after thier original post of course), that oh no, we wouldnt take Gibbs, we need KPP. Face it, if you could take Gibbs, you would- in a flash. In other words, I dont believe you.

What would we do if Gardiner goes before the PSD? We draft someone like Keating or possibly Laycock in the PSD, and besides, if Sheedy wants him, he certainly aint gonna pay the Weagles anything for him in the draft when he is worth nothing and the 'Dons know they need all the picks they can get, like us. We will have the pick in the PSD, thats for sure. Then, next year, we draft a QUALITY ruckmen early in the draft. This year, with our picks the way they are, we wouldnt pick up a ruckman definitely worth the pick, unless in a dream world Leuenberger falls to 17.

Oh, and no North supporter should lecture even a Carlton supporter on ruckmen. Mark Porter anyone?

[sput1956]

Boy then, we seem to get a lot of people just posting their 'honest opnions' that Carlton should not draft Gibbs and happily let him go to their club or at least give their club the choice (or infer as much). I also love it when Essendon and North supporters say (after thier original post of course), that oh no, we wouldnt take Gibbs, we need KPP. Face it, if you could take Gibbs, you would- in a flash. In other words, I dont believe you.

We would probably pick him up but as I stated Essendon would definitely pick him up before us. Therefore your moronic conspiracy synopsis that I, a humble poster on bigfooty.com, have some kind of remarkable power to alter Carltons drafting processes solely with my posts would be irrelevant. GROW UP TWIT!

What would we do if Gardiner goes before the PSD? We draft someone like Keating or possibly Laycock in the PSD, and besides, if Sheedy wants him, he certainly aint gonna pay the Weagles anything for him in the draft when he is worth nothing and the 'Dons know they need all the picks they can get, like us. We will have the pick in the PSD, thats for sure. Then, next year, we draft a QUALITY ruckmen early in the draft. This year, with our picks the way they are, we wouldnt pick up a ruckman definitely worth the pick, unless in a dream world Leuenberger falls to 17.

Your idea of onballers now and ruckmen later is the wrong way around. Ruckmen take longer to come on and Leunberger could very well be the best one ever drafted.

I can see Bryce Gibbs, Nick Stevens and Mark Murphy being happy about getting hammered in the middle due to the opposition ruckmen shoving the ball down their opponents throats all day.

Gibbs would be packed up and gone in 2 years.

Gardiner would probably want to go to Essendon if Sheedy is serious about drafting him, so we will have to wait and see where he nominates.

Carlton must roll the dice and hope that they land right. Failure to pick up a decent ruckman is going to hurt your club and the developement of your young onballers.

Oh, and no North supporter should lecture even a Carlton supporter on ruckmen. Mark Porter anyone?

Barnaby French, anyone?

Dylan McLaren, anyone?

Adrian Deluca, anyone?

How about Hale, McIntosh and Moran?

[whippersnipper]

We would probably pick him up but as I stated Essendon would definitely pick him up before us. Therefore your moronic conspiracy synopsis that I, a humble poster on bigfooty.com, have some kind of remarkable power to alter Carltons drafting processes solely with my posts would be irrelevant. GROW UP TWIT!
Where did I say that you would be able to alter anything?? I'm critisising your thinking, never mentioned anything about your job in the North Melbourne recruiting department. Essendon would definitely pick him up. Wow, thanks for that. Never knew this conversation was solely about Essendon.


Gardiner would probably want to go to Essendon if Sheedy is serious about drafting him, so we will have to wait and see where nominates.

Carlton must roll the dice and hope that they land right. Failure to pick up a decent ruckman is going to hurt your club and the developement of your young onballers.
Very touched that you are concerned about our develepment. Gardiner would choose to go wherever he like- just because Sheedy has shown interest in him in the last couple of days means nothing. If Bomber Thompson talked to him tomorrow, everyone would forget about Essendon. But the key part you are missing is his trade value, which is about squat. I'm saying that ESSENDON wouldnt trade for him, not the other way around. Sheedy wont pay anything for someone who is only PSD fodder. That is likely to be where Gardiner goes, NOT the trade period.

As for being so desperate to pick up a ruckman- yes but not in the National Draft, not yet anyway. We can do with an experienced reject ruckman for a few years, and next year we will pick up a quality ruckman rather than pick up someone who is not worth the equivalent pick. Leuenberger, for example, is worth around 4-8 IMHO, definitely not the number one pick.

Oh, and did the lack of a star ruckman hurt the development of St Kilda's young midfielders? Oh, and Mark Porter anyone?

[sput1956]

Where did I say that you would be able to alter anything?? I'm critisising your thinking, never mentioned anything about your job in the North Melbourne recruiting department. Essendon would definitely pick him up. Wow, thanks for that. Never knew this conversation was solely about Essendon.

You were the one going on about my initial post being some wishful thinking to get Gibbs. Next time just shut up and take my post on face value. Okay?

I'm saying that ESSENDON wouldnt trade for him, not the other way around. Sheedy wont pay anything for someone who is only PSD fodder. That is likely to be where Gardiner goes, NOT the trade period.

I think that Kepler Bradley in exchange for the Eagles first round draft pick and Gardiner could be a very good trade for all concerned.

Oh, and did the lack of a star ruckman hurt the development of St Kilda's young midfielders?

To some extent, yes. Please don't confuse Carltons midfielders, including Bryce Gibbs, with St Kildas. You would need to add at least 2 more top shelf midfielders to your list.

Oh, and Mark Porter anyone?

If you think North fans lie awake at night over the Mark Porter trade then you are more deluded than I thought.

[whippersnipper]

Barnaby French, anyone?

Dylan McLaren, anyone?

Adrian Deluca, anyone?

How about Hale, McIntosh and Moran?
About the same I'd say. Wouldnt want Hale, McIntosh or Moran (who the hell is he??) any more than French (serviceable ruckman, gone now), Deluca (Hack of the highest order) and McLaren (again, serviceable, good insurence). Never said we weren't on the hunt for an experienced ruckman- if you had have read my post before your little tanty you would be aware of this. We DO need a ruckman to hold down the post in the meantime, but one year aint gonna make a helluva lot of difference.
Drafting on a best available basis Gibbs is so far ahead of Leuenberger ATM it isnt funny. Your pathetic remark that Gibbs would be gone in two years? He would have to be at a club that is seriously going to be bottoming out like the 'Roos for that. Just like Wells must be sick of the disgraceful delivery he gets from Messrs Nobody, Nobody and Nobody and eventually realise he is at a go-nowhere club and leave.

You have ZERO idea about drafting, the Carlton Football Club, or the game in general.

[sput1956]

Why do I bother.

[whippersnipper]

You were the one going on about my initial post being some wishful thinking to get Gibbs. Next time just shut up and take my post on face value. Okay?
I said
'Boy then, we seem to get a lot of people just posting their 'honest opnions' that Carlton should not draft Gibbs and happily let him go to their club or at least give their club the choice (or infer as much). I also love it when Essendon and North supporters say (after thier original post of course), that oh no, we wouldnt take Gibbs, we need KPP. Face it, if you could take Gibbs, you would- in a flash. In other words, I dont believe you.' Key words are highlight for you:)


I think that Kepler Bradley in exchange for the Eagles first round draft pick and Gardiner could be a very good trade for all concerned.
That would depend on whether Eagles first round pick=Bradley. I dont think the Eagles would be too keen on trading with Essendon just because of Gardiner and likewise for Essendon themselves. Both club are aware he is junk and Essendon are checking him our to see if he is PSD material, same as Carlton. An there would be nothing to stop Carlton from doing the same thing with one of our junk players. As far as I know, West Coast has no reason to trade with Essendon over Carlton, or vice versa, but as I say, I think its generally irrelevant. Gardiner is PSD.


To some extent, yes. Please don't confuse Carltons midfielders, including Bryce Gibbs, with St Kildas. You would need to add at least 2 more top shelf midfielders to your list.
Care to elaborate, or just making a silly little unsubstantiated statement?


If you think North fans lie awake at night over the Mark Porter trade then you are more deluded than I thought.
Oh no, they have the Jonathon Hay trade for that!

[whippersnipper]

Bye, bye spud1956- Mr No Idea:)

[AndSmithMustScore]

Bye, bye spud1956- Mr No Idea:)

Dude you shouldn't say people have no idea when you just stated you have no idea who Moran is.

That just makes you look like the numbnuts with no idea.

Oh and for the record Moran looks quite promising for next season for the Kangas.

[sinepari]

I agree with AndSmithMustScore & Sput.

All these friggen trolls are starting up again.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I agree with AndSmithMustScore & Sput.

All these friggen trolls are starting up again.Whippersnipper isn't trolling. Probably not playing nicely with others but then there has been a few of these suggestions going around.

The general concensus when it comes to drafting is that you take the best player available. If you have several players all at the same level, you draft for need.

Has BigFooty seriously decided that Leuenberger is as good a ruckman as Gibbs is a midfielder? He isn't ranked in most top 5s that I have seen, yet people are suggesting we take him anyway. Kind of makes a mockery of the pain of another wooden spoon when we could have finished 12th and go Leuenberger anyway.

Watch everybody laugh at us if we decided to do this. The memories of Hodge over Judd will be long gone.

My only concern is that Gibbs was not a standout number one earlier in the year. Hansen was the favourite most of that time. Gibbs had a good carnival as did Gumbleton, Hansen good but not as good. I guess the fact that Gibbs really kicked on after the carnival and has racked up huge numbers for Glenelg has lifted him to a standout position.

We all see West Coast's stacked midfield, we see the Dogs team of mid sized runners with Street holding on in the ruck and we believe that mids are the first port of call. Not enough to win a flag but enough to be exciting and to play finals football. If we can find a ruckman to negate in the ruck, our midfielders will soon be good enough to win those 50/50 contests regularly.

A good tap ruckman can be overrated over the balance of play. A solid ruckman who can do well around the ground and push back to help out is much more valuable IMO. The centre is so congested these days, there is no guarantee the tap is going your way.

Carlton will pick up Gardiner or Keating or Laycock I believe. Otherwise they will promote and fast track Aisake O'hAilpin's development and have McLaren and maybe Bryan try to negate in the centre in the meantime.

[sinepari]

The comment regarding North ruckman was trolling.

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

Whippersnipper isn't trolling. Probably not playing nicely with others but then there has been a few of these suggestions going around.

The general concensus when it comes to drafting is that you take the best player available. If you have several players all at the same level, you draft for need.

Has BigFooty seriously decided that Leuenberger is as good a ruckman as Gibbs is a midfielder? He isn't ranked in most top 5s that I have seen, yet people are suggesting we take him anyway. Kind of makes a mockery of the pain of another wooden spoon when we could have finished 12th and go Leuenberger anyway.
Watch everybody laugh at us if we decided to do this. The memories of Hodge over Judd will be long gone.

My only concern is that Gibbs was not a standout number one earlier in the year. Hansen was the favourite most of that time. Gibbs had a good carnival as did Gumbleton, Hansen good but not as good. I guess the fact that Gibbs really kicked on after the carnival and has racked up huge numbers for Glenelg has lifted him to a standout position.

We all see West Coast's stacked midfield, we see the Dogs team of mid sized runners with Street holding on in the ruck and we believe that mids are the first port of call. Not enough to win a flag but enough to be exciting and to play finals football. If we can find a ruckman to negate in the ruck, our midfielders will soon be good enough to win those 50/50 contests regularly.

A good tap ruckman can be overrated over the balance of play. A solid ruckman who can do well around the ground and push back to help out is much more valuable IMO. The centre is so congested these days, there is no guarantee the tap is going your way.

Carlton will pick up Gardiner or Keating or Laycock I believe. Otherwise they will promote and fast track Aisake O'hAilpin's development and have McLaren and maybe Bryan try to negate in the centre in the meantime.
Pendleberry and Thomas werent in most people top 5 last year either but that eventuated and looks to e very good for Collingwood.

[HomerThompson]

Hear, hear, ODN.
Too many panicked by French's unexpected retirement and screaming about any & every ruck prospect. More considered thought and less knee-jerk recruiting.

[sinepari]

Leuenberger isn't knee jerk though. He is a very special talent. I'd strongly CONSIDER taking him over Gibbs at WCE if we had the chance (that stems mostly from us only having 2 ruckman, and the fact that Leuenberger is from perth)

[marcmurphy3]

Leuenberger isn't knee jerk though. He is a very special talent. I'd strongly CONSIDER taking him over Gibbs at WCE if we had the chance (that stems mostly from us only having 2 ruckman, and the fact that Leuenberger is from perth)

Yeah but you would probably take Gumbleton at one as you need a tall foward and he is also Western Australian.

[HBF]

Leuenberger is just about the most interesting prospect in this draft. IMO, he could go anywhere from 1-10, although i'd be surprised if Carlton took him at 1. I must say I agree with Macca69, and that Gibbs is almost cetain to be drafted by Carlton with their first pick.

[HomerThompson]

Leuenberger isn't knee jerk though. He is a very special talent. I'd strongly CONSIDER taking him over Gibbs at WCE if we had the chance (that stems mostly from us only having 2 ruckman, and the fact that Leuenberger is from perth)

"Knee-jerk recruiting" referred to theories about drafting KPP/ruck youngsters as though they'll be able to fix problems in the senior side immediately.

Carlton needs a dependable ruckman able to handle the bulk of the senior games for the next season or two with McLaren as backup. Deluca & Bryan are basically 2nd-tier backups, and that's putting it kindly. Rookies Batson & Aisake O'hAilpin are tall enough but aren't ready.

Leuenberger appears an excellent prospect. I wouldn't be upset to see him at Carlton, but he won't be able to play starting ruck for a year or two at least. So drafting him doesn't solve the problem of French's retirement.

[macca69]

"Knee-jerk recruiting" referred to theories about drafting KPP/ruck youngsters as though they'll be able to fix problems in the senior side immediately.

Carlton needs a dependable ruckman able to handle the bulk of the senior games for the next season or two with McLaren as backup. Deluca & Bryan are basically 2nd-tier backups, and that's putting it kindly. Rookies Batson & Aisake O'hAilpin are tall enough but aren't ready.

Leuenberger appears an excellent prospect. I wouldn't be upset to see him at Carlton, but he won't be able to play starting ruck for a year or two at least. So drafting him doesn't solve the problem of French's retirement.

Given what I have seen of Leuenberger, he could well play a few games in the seniors next year and hold his own. Much more physically ready than Ryder this year. He is also a very smart ruckman which will help him immensely.

[HBF]

Given what I have seen of Leuenberger, he could well play a few games in the seniors next year and hold his own. Much more physically ready than Ryder this year. He is also a very smart ruckman which will help him immensely.

A question Macca.

If Kruzer and Bellchambers were available in this draft, would Leuenberger still be rated the no.1 ruckman?

[macca69]

A question Macca.

If Kruzer and Bellchambers were available in this draft, would Leuenberger still be rated the no.1 ruckman?

I'd have Leuenberger ahead of Bellchambers. I find it very hard to split Kruezer and Leuenberger though. Leuenberger probably just ahead at this stage, but it will be interesting to see where Kruzer is in terms of his development this time next year.

[LukeHodge15]

gibbs looked all class last night on the replay of sth vs glenelg.

but u would assume they would exploring all options to see what they could get for the number 1 pick. they wont do it, but i would take 2 first rounders for gibbs.

AFL has now bought in new rules about trading draft picks so we might get to see a heap more trading this year.:thumbsu:

[HBF]

I must say that I was very impressed with Kruzer at the U18 Champs. He looked very composed for a bottom aged player, and even more so being a ruckman.

I'd really like Carlton to look long and hard in drafting Kruzer in next years draft.

[HBF]

gibbs looked all class last night on the replay of sth vs glenelg.

but u would assume they would exploring all options to see what they could get for the number 1 pick. they wont do it, but i would take 2 first rounders for gibbs.

AFL has now bought in new rules about trading draft picks so we might get to see a heap more trading this year.:thumbsu:

I thought the same thing Hodgey. The kid just oozes class. I kept thinking to myself - how good will this kid look in a Carlton jumper next year..:D

[LukeHodge15]

I thought the same thing Hodgey. The kid just oozes class. I kept thinking to myself - how good will this kid look in a Carlton jumper next year..:D


lol..........good call

a lazy 30 odd possesions and he rarely wasted any.

[macca69]

I agree he was all class. I was impressed with Sellar too, not sure he got alot of gametime, but everything he did, he did well IMO.

[LukeHodge15]

I agree he was all class. I was impressed with Sellar too, not sure he got alot of gametime, but everything he did, he did well IMO.


Seller really worrys me. Went missing for 2 quarters. I just dunno where he fits in to an AFL position. although love the chase down on a guy running in2 an open goal.

He is bottom aged and he is lightning quick for a big bloke. So i cant see him sliding to far

[whippersnipper]

Dude you shouldn't say people have no idea when you just stated you have no idea who Moran is.

That just makes you look like the numbnuts with no idea.

Oh and for the record Moran looks quite promising for next season for the Kangas.
You are one of the unfortunate ones with no concept of SARCASM

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I get the impression that Sellar looks really lost on the ground.

[HBF]

lol..........good call

a lazy 30 odd possesions and he rarely wasted any.

He just looks so comfortable playing in that competition.

[Davo-27]

Yo`DooR']I get the impression that Sellar looks really lost on the ground.

maybe he is playing out of position???...............:confused:

[sinepari]

and what position should he play? That's the question mark over him in a nutshell.

[philhawk]

and what position should he play? That's the question mark over him in a nutshell.

He's been played in too many positions in the SANFL. Once he enters the AFL, a position for him will be found very easily.

[sput1956]

He looks a natural CHF to me. I think he is a good player.

[celtic_pride]

Why are people so obsessed with who Carlton will draft with the No 1 pick. I recall last year some people were querying whether Marc Murphy was worthy of no 1 pick, but as it turns out Carlton made the absolutely the right decision for Carlton, he is the best and most exciting talent from that draft.
So if the same goes for Gibbs, then I would say that we have no choice but to nab Gibbs.

[sinepari]

But the same doesn't really go for Gibbs, when one considers the KPP talent in this draft. Far stronger than last year.

But yes, Gibbs should end up at Carlton

[LukeHodge15]

and what position should he play? That's the question mark over him in a nutshell.


at the minute i see him settling at CHB. real quickness he has and ability to read the footy. i reckon he would be a natural CHB

[philhawk]

Why are people so obsessed with who Carlton will draft with the No 1 pick. I recall last year some people were querying whether Marc Murphy was worthy of no 1 pick, but as it turns out Carlton made the absolutely the right decision for Carlton, he is the best and most exciting talent from that draft.
So if the same goes for Gibbs, then I would say that we have no choice but to nab Gibbs.

Because this is the biggest draft since 2001.

Hawthorn and St Kilda had to live with picking up Hodge and Ball instead of Judd, will the same apply for Carlton if they pick someone who 'isn't as good' as one of the KPP in this draft? ;)

[philhawk]

at the minute i see him settling at CHB. real quickness he has and ability to read the footy. i reckon he would be a natural CHB

His speed would be more handy in the forward line for mine?

[sydney eagle]

What was that about the Eagles having a "skinny forward line " ? Geez we'd better get Lynchie to bulk up if that's the case !

[KUNG FU]

Sellar might look lost at SANFL level, because he's still a kid and a growing KPP at that. He's playing against seasoned adults. He should still go anywhere between 4-10

[Effes]

Carlton addressed their KP problems last year by taking Paul Bower, Josh Kennedy and Jake Edwards. They also have Adam Hartlett. Setanta O'hAilpin was BOG for Preston last week. Rookie list pair Ryan Jackson and Craig Flint have promise. Waite, Thornton, Walker and Fisher are all under-23.

Some or all of them may be duds but they have some options they need to work through.

The midfield on the other hand needs a lot more work. Can't see any other option than Gibbs. Add another big-bloke with their double-picks in the second round.
Weaver how do you rate Setanta?

[trueblue_91]

I dont't think Carlton will trade the no 1 pick. anyone remember a team called freo in 2001.

Top 3
Hodge
Ball
Judd.

If we did trade it i would want a top 3 pick and another first rounder but it wont happen.

I think Carlton should get Gibbs but u never know wat will happen with the BIG 3 and which player will become the best. But apparently Gibbs is ment to be an absalute star and players dont loose tallent.

[philhawk]

I dont't think Carlton will trade the no 1 pick. anyone remember a team called freo in 2001.

Top 3
Hodge
Ball
Judd.

If we did trade it i would want a top 3 pick and another first rounder but it wont happen.

I think Carlton should get Gibbs but u never know wat will happen with the BIG 3 and which player will become the best. But apparently Gibbs is ment to be an absalute star and players dont loose tallent.

True, but some players waste their enormous talent - see Clive Waterhouse.

[trueblue_91]

True, but some players waste their enormous talent - see Clive Waterhouse.

Very true but i really would be happy with any of the Big 3 but my only worry is that Gibbs will become the next Judd.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Mojo has likened Gibbs to Nathan Buckley. I'd take that too.

[TheGeneral]

Your idea of onballers now and ruckmen later is the wrong way around. Ruckmen take longer to come on and Leunberger could very well be the best one ever drafted.
Where did the Eagles draft Dean Cox?
I can see Bryce Gibbs, Nick Stevens and Mark Murphy being happy about getting hammered in the middle due to the opposition ruckmen shoving the ball down their opponents throats all day.
Drafting Renouf slightly earlier with pick 17 or 19 would be a wiser move than reaching for Leuenberger with pick 1.

And there are other options available late called Hampson, Jacobs and Tippett who are considered ruck prospects.
Gibbs would be packed up and gone in 2 years.
Source?
Barnaby French, anyone?
Retired and a great pick up and bonus since we lost that draft pick in 2002.

Did the Dogs get a good pay off when they reached for talls such as Williams, Walsh and Wells in the draft?

Would you prefer Roughead or Griffen? :cool:

[Jeremias]

If we don't take Gibbs I am going to be sick-probably hand in my membership.

THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE...WE MUST PICK GIBBS.

[HBF]

If we don't take Gibbs I am going to be sick-probably hand in my membership.

THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE...WE MUST PICK GIBBS.

Well, there is, we could select Gumby, Hansen or even Leuenberger. But my money is still on Gibbs.

[blueboy152]

Gibbs is coming to carlton and can not wait till gibbs,murph,walker,simpson,blackwell,stevens form a good midfield group. Wont be long before carlton is back up the top where it belongs....:thumbsu:

[LukeHodge15]

Well, there is, we could select Gumby, Hansen or even Leuenberger. But my money is still on Gibbs.

Gibbs = Safe Bet
Gumbleton = Tiny Gamble, but rewards could be HUGE. Contested Marking MONSTER CHF

I would safely say Carlton will take the safe bet with the midfielder.

[sput1956]

Where did the Eagles draft Dean Cox?

What in your opinion is the odds of Carlton doing the same? 100/1? 200/1?

Drafting Renouf slightly earlier with pick 17 or 19 would be a wiser move than reaching for Leuenberger with pick 1.

And there are other options available late called Hampson, Jacobs and Tippett who are considered ruck prospects.

Good luck with them. What do you expect your midfielders to do for the next 3 years while they develop?

Source?

Opinion.

Retired and a great pick up and bonus since we lost that draft pick in 2002.

Barnaby probably could be considered a great pick up for Carlton. However that statement has to be put into perspective with Carltons unfortunate circumstances. Barnaby wouldn't have even made it on to the list of at least 10 other clubs.

Did the Dogs get a good pay off when they reached for talls such as Williams, Walsh and Wells in the draft?

Would you prefer Roughead or Griffen? :cool:

Silly example. Roughead isn't arguably the best ruckman that has ever made it into the draft. Far from it.

[TheGeneral]

What in your opinion is the odds of Carlton doing the same? 100/1? 200/1?
What are the odds of you getting the point?
Good luck with them. What do you expect your midfielders to do for the next 3 years while they develop?
Why didn't we draft Ryder if a ruck is more important than drafting the best available player?
Opinion.
Can you guarantee Leuenberger won't leave?
Barnaby probably could be considered a great pick up for Carlton. However that statement has to be put into perspective with Carltons unfortunate circumstances. Barnaby wouldn't have even made it on to the list of at least 10 other clubs.
He was a good ruckman and he wasn't a ****wit like Everitt or Gardiner.

A North supporter shouldn't call another club unfortunate unless you look at your recent record at the draft and your future.
Silly example. Roughead isn't arguably the best ruckman that has ever made it into the draft. Far from it.
A great example.

The Hawks overlooked a gun midfielder to draft a KPP who was years away from playing as well and reached for him.

If Leuenberger is so good why don't the Roos draft him ahead of Gumbleton, etc. ?

He'd be better than McIntosh or Moran.

[sput1956]

I get the distinct feeling that the Carlton people that post on the draft board are the same people that have been running the club for the past 5 years.

If Leuenberger is so good why don't the Roos draft him ahead of Gumbleton, etc. ?

He'd be better than McIntosh or Moran.

He is also better than Hale. I would be very, very happy if we could offload a ruckman and pick up Leunberger to compliment our pick 3 of Hansen or Gumbleton.

If Brisbane are willing to swap pick 4 for one of our ruckman then please get them to contact the NMFC.

Fortunately I believe the club will use its first pick to take the kind of player that best suits its current needs.

Penny dropped?

[SeymourLions]

If Leuenberger is so good why don't the Roos draft him ahead of Gumbleton, etc. ?

He'd be better than McIntosh or Moran.

- I rate him as potentially better than those two, however Moran can really be anything.

- We still may draft him, Laidley has spoken too him.

- Why would we though?, we are daylight ahead of the best young ruck trio in the comp. Id much prefer Gumbleton or Hansen, so we dont have to trade one of the other three later on.


A North supporter shouldn't call another club unfortunate unless you look at your recent record at the draft and your future.


Silly people with no idea about our list.

our top 5 young guys are so much better than Carltons its not funny.

[blueboy152]

- I rate him as potentially better than those two, however Moran can really be anything.

- We still may draft him, Laidley has spoken too him.

- Why would we though?, we are daylight ahead of the best young ruck trio in the comp. Id much prefer Gumbleton or Hansen, so we dont have to trade one of the other three later on.





Silly people with no idea about our list.

our top 5 young guys are so much better than Carltons its not funny.
Murphy,Walker,Simpson,Kennedy,Waite,........add Gibbs this year. What the kangas got.........

[juddy_Like]

Murphy,Walker,Simpson,Kennedy,Waite,........add Gibbs this year. What the kangas got.........

Smith, Trotter, McConnell, Swallow, Moran/ McIntosh

I wouldnt say its streets better then carltons but i still believe this kangaroo bunch is better then carltons in the future. however the fact they have yet to prove themselves and have only shown glimpses give the blues youngsters the edge at this stage.

[whippersnipper]

- I rate him as potentially better than those two, however Moran can really be anything.

- We still may draft him, Laidley has spoken too him.

- Why would we though?, we are daylight ahead of the best young ruck trio in the comp. Id much prefer Gumbleton or Hansen, so we dont have to trade one of the other three later on.
None of your ruck stocks would garner anything more than a raised eyebrow. Hale is overrated, and an amazing waste of a top ten pick, McIntosh has shown little promise from what I have seen (although remains your best shot) and Moran is too young and raw for anyone to be crowing about him.

Silly people with no idea about our list.

our top 5 young guys are so much better than Carltons its not funny.

You are a fool. In terms of quality youngsters, when you take Wells out of the equation, and possibly Smith and Swallow you are on SERIOUSLY thin ice. I dont want to say it, because I like the North Melbourne Football Club, but thanks to your yobbo coach you are heading for a serious bottoming out. Once Harvey, Grant, Thompson, Simpson and Hay all retire, the Kangaroos are going to be in BIG trouble.

[juddy_Like]

Who should Carlton select??
Iv said it all along and il say it again, Pick Lachlen Hansen. He is the most Dominant CHB or KPP iv seen since Riewoldt maybe. So logic will tell you that someone this good wont come up for another 5 yrs. But you can also argue about Gibbs and Judd but thats not my point. Carlton should be able to build their defence around him for the next ten years. ATM are you going to build it around big Lance (28) or Thornton (Better suited to FB) or Livingston (...)??

Sure it would be awesome to have a eagles like midfield but people dont realise how many times Glass have saved the eagles even when the midfield was on top.
:thumbsu:

[sput1956]

Smith, Trotter, McConnell, Swallow, Moran/ McIntosh

I wouldnt say its streets better then carltons but i still believe this kangaroo bunch is better then carltons in the future. however the fact they have yet to prove themselves and have only shown glimpses give the blues youngsters the edge at this stage.

Wells and Harris.

[juddy_Like]

Wells and Harris.

You cant seriously catergorise these blokes as youngsters can you. Well Wells is a youngster but you get easily mistaken for thinking hes been around for a good 6 or so yrs. Needs to follow Harris and take the next step though.
:thumbsu:

[whippersnipper]

Smith, Trotter, McConnell, Swallow, Moran/ McIntosh

I wouldnt say its streets better then carltons but i still believe this kangaroo bunch is better then carltons in the future. however the fact they have yet to prove themselves and have only shown glimpses give the blues youngsters the edge at this stage.
You are right- only glimpses. None of those players has actually done anything yet, and to think they basically traded Hurn and pick 29 for McConnell?? Murphy, Simpson, and Walker are all pure class, and next year will see Simpson and Walker especially turn into top-flight players. Kennedy has shown about as much as any of those players in that group and with equivalent or greater talent and promise. Even a Betts or a Bentick I would rate over any of that group, with the exceptions of Swallow or Smith.

Carlton's young group is well ahead of the Roos, and that is an indictment of Dean Laidley, and the board that keeps him in his position.

[SeymourLions]

You are right- only glimpses. None of those players has actually done anything yet, and to think they basically traded Hurn and pick 29 for McConnell?? Murphy, Simpson, and Walker are all pure class, and next year will see Simpson and Walker especially turn into top-flight players. Kennedy has shown about as much as any of those players in that group and with equivalent or greater talent and promise. Even a Betts or a Bentick I would rate over any of that group, with the exceptions of Swallow or Smith.

Carlton's young group is well ahead of the Roos, and that is an indictment of Dean Laidley, and the board that keeps him in his position.

I would rate Jesse Smith on par with Marc Murphy, and no that isnt a joke, thats how good this kid is. He was easily our best player in the pre-season games, and i think will go very close to the rising star in 2007, if he gets over his ankle.

If you count Simpson, then we can count Wells, who is a year younger, and if you think Kade Simpson is anywhere near Wells' class then you are severely dissilussioned.

Well we cant really compare Hale, McIntosh or Moran to anyone Carlton has got because you dont have any ruckman. And if you had one of them you would be absolutely salivating over them. Kennedy has greater Talent or Promise, what do you consider that on, because he was a no.4 draft pick? You forget both Hale and Hamish were top 10 picks, and Moran is the most superior athlete to anyone over 195cm's let alone 200cm's i have ever seen.

Murphy and Simpson are the only ones that have done anything either, seriously, is it that hard to stand out in a team that has struggled to win more than 10 games over 3 years?

And Swallow isnt going to be pure class? when this guy gets introduced to the gym over the summer, watch out, as he looks to be an A grade prospect for the future.

McConnell has done alot in the time he has been given, his stats look extremely impressive given the fact he only played 2 quarters in each of his appearances.

Then we come to the lesser knowns in Trotter, Urch, Grima all of whom for one reason or another havnt strung the games together to be seen. Trotter will be good if he gets his body right, otherwise he will be delisted, has the talent, maybe not the desire, but he isnt one to be overlooked.

You can throw in Gibb's, and we will throw in Gumbleton or Hansen, im happy with that, as we are set in almost all area's, and in the next few drafts can concentrate on recruiting just midfielders.

[juddy_Like]

You are right- only glimpses. None of those players has actually done anything yet, and to think they basically traded Hurn and pick 29 for McConnell?? Murphy, Simpson, and Walker are all pure class, and next year will see Simpson and Walker especially turn into top-flight players. Kennedy has shown about as much as any of those players in that group and with equivalent or greater talent and promise. Even a Betts or a Bentick I would rate over any of that group, with the exceptions of Swallow or Smith.

Carlton's young group is well ahead of the Roos, and that is an indictment of Dean Laidley, and the board that keeps him in his position.

Well i think your rating each player individually which isnt the point i was trying to make. But to put your analysis under the microscope,
Murphy: pick 1
Walker: pick 2
Kennedy: pick 4
Waite: F/s
Simpson: Pick 60ish

Compared to
Smith: F/s
trotter: pick 9
mcconell: pick 30-odd/ pick 13
swallow:pick 40odd
macintosh: pick 14.

So as you can see, the Roos havnt really got the top end of many drafts which limits their chances of drafting a gem. however to me, this crop would do better as a unit and not individually in the future.
:thumbsu:

P.s dont be surprise if jesse smith wins a brownlow.:)

[Harro]

You are right- only glimpses. None of those players has actually done anything yet, and to think they basically traded Hurn and pick 29 for McConnell??
We all knew Hurn would be left didn't we...
In a weak draft the right move was made. It's like in poker just because you fold 7 2 and the flop comes 7 7 2 doesn't mean it's a bad play. No one wants to be a calling station.

Murphy, Simpson, and Walker are all pure class, and next year will see Simpson and Walker especially turn into top-flight players.

They're top shelf. In the case of the bolded ones its a matter of finishing bottom 2 to get them... they should be quality. We've not legitamtely got that low for a while.
Simpson is an excellent find.

Kennedy has shown about as much as any of those players in that group and with equivalent or greater talent and promise. Even a Betts or a Bentick I would rate over any of that group, with the exceptions of Swallow or Smith.

Kennedy will be a gun, but as Mojo says he is virtually the same as Gumbelton... a player we are likely to get for once. ATM we're relying on finding gems like Swallow and your Simpson.
Regarding Betts and Bentick being better than that group. I'd say only over McConnel who is an unknown at this stage. Betts can have his day though.

Carlton's young group is well ahead of the Roos, and that is an indictment of Dean Laidley, and the board that keeps him in his position.

Anything is an indictment on Laidley... we want the man gone, or i do. To say that your group is "well ahead" though is farcical. Your number one and three extremely low draft picks hold that group of names together though. I'd have them on even terms... and for the amount of low draft picks you've had is an indictment on Pagan.


Our youth under 22 or thereabouts: (top 5 included)
Hale 22
Firrito 22
Grima 22
McConnel 20
Moran 19
Perry 19
McIntosh 22
Smith 19
Swallow 19
Trotter 20
Wells 21
Urch 22

[Weaver]

Our youth under 22 or thereabouts: (top 5 included)
Hale 22
Firrito 22
Grima 22
McConnel 20
Moran 19
Perry 19
McIntosh 22
Smith 19
Swallow 19
Trotter 20
Wells 21
Urch 22

Carlton and North arguing over who has the better kids is like Austria and Switzerland arguing over who has the better navy.

Compare your young group to Melbourne, Brisbane, West Coast etc. To win a premiership that is where you have to get to.

Melbourne already have Sylvia, McLean, Bate, Batram, Davey, Bell, Miller, Rivers and Moloney in their best-22 and they are all under-23.

West Coast might win a premiership. If they do Hansen, Butler, Judd, Kerr, Lynch, Nicoski, Selwood, Seaby, Staker, Waters, Armstring, Rosa, LeCras and Sampi might all get medals. That is before guys like Morton and Hurn come into the equation.

North's "best 5 kids". You'd struggle to find 10 kids under-21, let alone 10 that could get a game on merit next year.

[Roosurgence]

You are right- only glimpses. None of those players has actually done anything yet, and to think they basically traded Hurn and pick 29 for McConnell?? Murphy, Simpson, and Walker are all pure class, and next year will see Simpson and Walker especially turn into top-flight players. Kennedy has shown about as much as any of those players in that group and with equivalent or greater talent and promise. Even a Betts or a Bentick I would rate over any of that group, with the exceptions of Swallow or Smith.

Carlton's young group is well ahead of the Roos, and that is an indictment of Dean Laidley, and the board that keeps him in his position.

HAHAHHA! Walker!

Good too see that they rate clangers so high at the Blues:thumbsu:

[SeymourLions]

Well i think your rating each player individually which isnt the point i was trying to make. But to put your analysis under the microscope,
Murphy: pick 1
Walker: pick 2
Kennedy: pick 4
Waite: F/S
Simpson: Pick 60ish

Compared to
Smith: F/S
trotter: pick 9
mcconell: pick 26/ pick 13
swallow:pick 43
macintosh: pick 9
Hale: pick 7
Wells: pick 2
Moran: pick 58

So as you can see, the Roos havnt really got the top end of many drafts which limits their chances of drafting a gem. however to me, this crop would do better as a unit and not individually in the future.
:thumbsu:

P.s dont be surprise if jesse smith wins a brownlow.:)

Fixed it for you, stacks up alot better now id say :thumbsu:

[Harro]

Carlton and North arguing over who has the better kids is like Austria and Switzerland arguing over who has the better navy.

Compare your young group to Melbourne, Brisbane, West Coast etc. To win a premiership that is where you have to get to.

Melbourne already have Sylvia, McLean, Bate, Batram, Davey, Bell, Miller, Rivers and Moloney in their best-22 and they are all under-23.

West Coast might win a premiership. If they do Hansen, Butler, Judd, Kerr, Lynch, Nicoski, Selwood, Seaby, Staker, Waters, Armstring, Rosa, LeCras and Sampi might all get medals. That is before guys like Morton and Hurn come into the equation.

North's "best 5 kids". You'd struggle to find 10 kids under-21, let alone 10 that could get a game on merit next year.

Hang on a minute. I believe this was started by a carlton chap, we're only offering perspective. We're comparing two teams who have finished poorly. Now you bring West Coast into the equation who has probably the best youth in the comp. They are currently, now, a premiership threat.
Those 12 kids above look alright and would get a game.