View Full Version : We shouldn't trade anyone.
After watching the first quarter of the WAFL final, Medhurst and Duffield are imparticularly impressive for thier opposing teams.
It got me thinking about depth and pressure on spots in the 22. Our list is pretty well balanced and i don't think we should trade anyone. I previously thought it would be a good idea to move Medhurst or Polak on for some picks. But the time is now for our list. Bell, Parker, McManus, Cook and co aren't getting any younger.
We should do very similar to last year and not participate in trade week. Our list is one of the best.
wizard_9
17 Sep 2006, 17:59
Meddie kicked any majors yet? Had much of the ball?
Clive and Koopsy are also in action today for the SANFL sides.
ImperialPurple
17 Sep 2006, 18:30
Meddie kicked any majors yet? Had much of the ball?
Clive and Koopsy are also in action today for the SANFL sides.
2.3 plus set up a couple:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268917
Medhurst has been pretty dominant. Kicking for goal still a bit wayward though. 2 goals, 2 points, 1 OOB.....2 goal assists too. Thats till halftime, looks like kicking a bag.
There's a 19 year old playing for claremont who looks pretty gifted. Carl Peterson. Would love for Fremantle to rookie list him or pick him up via the draft.
Jetta (touted as top 10 pick) also on show. Hasn't done much yet, some very slick handballs in traffic. Quite team orientated, straight after handballing first thought was to shepherd.
Michael Warren isn't setting the world alight. Similarly Gilmore. Thornton is running hard but hasn't had a big influence on the game.
Gaspar for the eagles is woeful. Morton will be a player of the future. Daniel Bandy should still be on an AFL list.
murphy_28
17 Sep 2006, 18:49
I believe that we should trade Medhurst, and or Polak packaged with a draft pick to get an upgrade of a draft pick, bearing in mind that this is a "super draft".
For example we could trade Medhurst and our third round pick, for another teams second round pick.
Another possible trade that I think would be worthwhile would be Polak and our third round pick for Farren Ray.
This would boost Fremantle's stocks of outside midfielders and this would add even more depth to our squad, as at the moment we have a somewhat surplus of key position players. Farren Ray also has silky skills, which would be ideal for Pavlich and Murphy, and he is very good at breaking the lines.
inferno66
17 Sep 2006, 19:06
Agreed raguci :thumbsu:
Sigwald
17 Sep 2006, 19:10
I agree with rgauci, we have a quality list of players hitting their prime. Our depth is breathtaking. I'd hate for Medhurst, Polak, or anyone else to go.
All this talk about a 'superdraft' is overhyping it in my opinion. We've done remarkably well with our lower drafpick before anyway.
dockers_bengals
17 Sep 2006, 19:34
Steady as she goes,if someone wants to go put a high price on them.Dont we have to lose three before the draft.
dockersfan
17 Sep 2006, 19:36
So far Medders has kicked 5 goals so far, in the WAFL Premlim against the Bulldogs!
SF-DOGS WIN BY THREE POINTS!!! Great stuff!!
Medhurst was awesome. As was Duffield in defence. Warren had a much better 2nd half compared with first. Gaspar still Woeful, will definately be delisted by the Eagles. Morton was quiet in the 2nd half.
Jetta did very little. His much talked about pace didn't really come across.
Really impressed with Carl Peterson.
ImperialPurple
17 Sep 2006, 20:05
dockersfan, AJ kicked a goal after the siren. Souths by 3 points. Can't believe I was cheering when Gaspar marked (learn to kick straight you hack), and abusing the umpire when Medders got a free... :D
Medhurst - 5.3, 1oof, a couple of assists, some great forward pressure and a good workrate.
Duff - :thumbsu:
Thornton - beaten by Medders whn he went on to him, but did some good stuff.
Gilmore - had a much better 2nd half after a quiet first half, some of his loooooong kicks into the forward line were fantastic.
Carl Peterson very exciting. What of Clint Jones or Theo Adams as a possible mature-aged rookie for Freo when that comes in?
theGav56
17 Sep 2006, 20:40
If trades make you better, then make the trade.
Medhurst for Morton.
dockersfan
17 Sep 2006, 20:40
dockersfan, AJ kicked a goal after the siren. Souths by 3 points. Can't believe I was cheering when Gaspar marked (learn to kick straight you hack), and abusing the umpire when Medders got a free... :D quite correct there IP - the short quarter caught me by surprise and wasn't sure if AJ's kick was counted. I stand corrected and have amended my post accordingly :)
I take the WAFL GF will be on Sunday?
dominguez
17 Sep 2006, 20:57
It depends what's on offer, and if the players want to move on. Considering how the team has performed without them Medhurst and Polak will probably struggle to get a game next season. Footballers of their ability probably won't be happy just being a "depth player". If another team is keen to recruit them and can offer greater opportunities they will be silly not to ask for a trade.
We could do with one or two more quality midfielders. If we got pick 15 for Polak and/or a pick in the low 20's for Medhurst I'd be happy. Trading Polak and/or Medhurst would help free up salary cap space too with Pav out of contract at the end of next season. George was going on about Medhurst being on more than Connolly last week, so he must be on $300,000+. Wet toast are apparently interested in Medhurst but their 2nd round pick won't be until pick 33 (not interested in Morton).
Hagdorn is under the impression that Wells is keen to play for Freo in 2007. I'm not sure if Polak, Medhurst and pick 16 would be enough to seal that deal.
David_Brent
17 Sep 2006, 21:02
If trades make you better, then make the trade.
Medhurst for Morton.
WC wouldnt even consider that.
voodoo_86
17 Sep 2006, 21:08
Polak Medhurst and pick 16 for Wells? Surely not?
sabre_ac
17 Sep 2006, 21:45
Polaks value is plummeting every season he is forced to sit in the WAFL.
I think its time to cut our losses with this guy, if we can get a top 10 pick for him I say take it.
Would prefer to chase Farren Ray though.
sabre_ac
17 Sep 2006, 21:45
Polak Medhurst and pick 16 for Wells? Surely not?
In our dreams.
We can probably only expect a late 2nd round for Medhurst, Kangroos arnt going to give up their shinning light easily either.
ImperialPurple
17 Sep 2006, 21:56
I think if we do trade it should be to upgrade our picks - our first pick will be 13-16, then 31-34, then 47-50, then 63-66. They aint crash hot picks (although I'd rather be in premiership contention than have high draft picks of course....).
I would be looking to hang onto our first rounder, then try and score a higher first round pick or a good second round pick - if we trade. Remember in 2004 we traded away our 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders for Josh Carr (wouldn't change that), but we need to keep bringing in the young talent, as we only picked up Stribling (gone you'd think) and Copping (ditto) and redrafted Haines (gone also) in that year.
2003 was an outstanding year for us draft wise (Mundy, Murphy, Peake, Johnson + Campbell), 2005 should be okay (Drum, Warnock, Ibbotson) - we need to add to that in 2006.
Get a grip people. If Ted Richards goes for pick 18 then Polak & Medders are worth more IF they want to go.
I am with rgauci here, We should not trade unless an offer we can't refuse comes up.
sabre_ac
17 Sep 2006, 22:00
I think if we do trade it should be to upgrade our picks - our first pick will be 13-16, then 31-34, then 47-50, then 63-66. They aint crash hot picks (although I'd rather be in premiership contention than have high draft picks of course....).
I would be looking to hang onto our first rounder, then try and score a higher first round pick or a good second round pick - if we trade. Remember in 2004 we traded away our 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders for Josh Carr (wouldn't change that), but we need to keep bringing in the young talent, as we only picked up Stribling (gone you'd think) and Copping (ditto) and redrafted Haines (gone also) in that year.
2003 was an outstanding year for us draft wise (Mundy, Murphy, Peake, Johnson + Campbell), 2005 should be okay (Drum, Warnock, Ibbotson) - we need to add to that in 2006.
Agreed
Use Polak/Medhurst as bait ti upgrade our picks.
We currently have a side that can win a premireship in my opinion (Specially whe Haselby back next season)
But our midfield will probably peak next year, we need kids coming up for sustained success.
If we trade picks again I will be shattered, unless of course it is for someone like Ray or Wells.
pinkus maximus
17 Sep 2006, 22:00
wells would be an awesome get,but being contracted it would be virtally impossible to get him
medhurst i think will stay as will Polak
Wells and Ray are over rated and don't fit in with our desire for six foot plus midfielders with bulk who can run all day.
sabre_ac
17 Sep 2006, 22:21
Wells and Ray are over rated and don't fit in with our desire for six foot plus midfielders with bulk who can run all day.
I disagree.
We lack pace in the middle, Ray and Wells would bring that imediately.
I disagree.
We lack pace in the middle, Ray and Wells would bring that imediately.
Too many small guys then. When in the last 11 weeks have we been shown up for pace?
sabre_ac
17 Sep 2006, 22:38
Too many small guys then. When in the last 11 weeks have we been shown up for pace?
Well we havent I suppose.
But our midfield still isnt kicking enough goals in my opinion, the lkes of Wells and Ray are goal scoring midfielders.
My point is we can hang on to Polak, but unless a few major players becomes injured next season I cant see him getting a gig.
Dont you consider it a waste for a 4th draft pick to be a back up player of some of the back ups?
This time next season when he still is in the WAFL his value would be zero, had we traded him last season when his name was bandied around we would have gotten more for him than we can now....
Eventually you have to cut your losses. Specially when there are a number of up and coming clubs desperat efor his type.
Ray and Wells would be great gets. But at what cost. I can't see either the Bulldogs or the Kangas giving either up very easily.
dominguez
17 Sep 2006, 22:53
Get a grip people. If Ted Richards goes for pick 18 then Polak & Medders are worth more IF they want to go.
I am with rgauci here, We should not trade unless an offer we can't refuse comes up.
Even though they haven't been made public all 15 clubs know about Polak's off field problems, which damages his trade value considerably. Not many clubs would have a 5'11" full forward at the top of their shopping list, although Medhurst's performance today will win him some friends.
The fact that this draft has been talked up so much means that clubs will be hesitant to trade their picks. If this is draft is as good as reported picks 11, 27 and 43 for Carr would look like a good deal for port, in 2004 it was seen as a great deal for us.
It would be nice to hold onto Polak and Medhurst but the reality is that their is a salary cap, and we need to delist aleast 4 senior listed players (Druffield being promoted to the main list). Haines, Schofield and Copping being cut the fourth player would need to a depth player. The problem is that we are very strong in key positions and have alot of depth. If we have Sandilands, Murphy, Pavlich, Longmuir there one opening possibly for another tall. Campbell, Drum, Warren and Gilmore all are good depth players as the third tall in the forward or back up Ruck, with Warnock being two years away. Down back we have Johnson, McPharlin, Thornton, Haddrill, Parker, Grover all can play on talls and I cant see a position for Polak. What we do need is midfielders short and long term. Makes sense to trade him for a late first round pick or early second pick. As for Medhurst getting a third round pick would be a waste, maybe a second pick or a straight trade for a quick midfielders.
ImperialPurple
17 Sep 2006, 23:19
Cutting players is very different from trading. Schofield has retired (there's one spot), unfortunately Haines has probably used his last chance (there's two), Copping probably can't be given any more time (there's three)... Given we have to use 3 picks on draft day (mandatory) and they will want to upgrade Duffield permanently, they will need to find one more. I think Warren, personally. He's a good honest WAFL player, but not up to AFL level in any way shape or form IMO. He's turning 25 next year FFS - the same age as Pav, McPharlin, JLo...
Retire: Schofield
Delist: Haines, Copping, Warren
Upgrade: Duffield
Leaves the compulsory 3 spots for draft day.
As far as rookies go - Juniper and Krieger have done their two years, so they will need to be either cut or upgraded.... Stribling might have one more year after being put on the rookie list at the end of last year. If they want to upgrade Juniper or Krieger, they will have to cut someone else from the main list. Can't see who that would be at this stage.
Cutting players is very different from trading. Schofield has retired (there's one spot), unfortunately Haines has probably used his last chance (there's two), Copping probably can't be given any more time (there's three)... Given we have to use 3 picks on draft day (mandatory) and they will want to upgrade Duffield permanently, they will need to find one more. I think Warren, personally. He's a good honest WAFL player, but not up to AFL level in any way shape or form IMO. He's turning 25 next year FFS - the same age as Pav, McPharlin, JLo...
Retire: Schofield
Delist: Haines, Copping, Warren
Upgrade: Duffield
Leaves the compulsory 3 spots for draft day.
As far as rookies go - Juniper and Krieger have done their two years, so they will need to be either cut or upgraded.... Stribling might have one more year after being put on the rookie list at the end of last year. If they want to upgrade Juniper or Krieger, they will have to cut someone else from the main list. Can't see who that would be at this stage.
Spot on . If we win the flag Parks & Cookie may retire.
Anyway this is best left until after the season IMO.
It is the time of year I hate most.
Too many small guys then. When in the last 11 weeks have we been shown up for pace?
Ripper - Ray is not small (He is 186cm), only lightweight.
Wells is not small at 180cm, but not huge either. Bigger than Bell, Schammer, McManus, Cook, J.Carr, Medhurst, Farmer though and equal size with Hasleby.
I wouldn't mind either player, though I doubt Wells would want to come, let alone negotiating a trade.
But really, I think unless we can get a significantly better position in the draft from the two mentioned players, or trade "nothing" for someone with potential, we should stay out of trade week. In otherwords, a very conservative approach.
dockers_bengals
18 Sep 2006, 00:46
very good points I.P,we need medders to replace farmer soon.Polak should stick by the club because they stuck by him the last couple of years.As you say Ripper its best left for the end of the year
theGav56
18 Sep 2006, 06:00
I think we have plenty of tall mids; Headland, M Carr, Peake, Dodd, Crowley, Gilmore. I think the recruiting criteria for midfielders should be skill, hard running and long kicking.
I am not that impressed with Ray, too much of a light weight. Wells would be the most inconsistent so called AA player in australia. Medders and Polak in my opinion are way ahead of them in our team , even though they are not in out current 22. It's all about depth and their time will come again. Good key position players are rare and Polak is only reached about 60 % of his ability, people forget he is still only 22, wait until he reaches about 25/26. Medhurst will always be a gun player, he has that natural ability, he is a confidence player, keep him. The other think that irks me is this impulse to get rid of them for early draft picks, I think draft picks are like a lottery, you really don't know if the players will become big stars, a lot of them don't. Why gamble ?, Medders and Polak in my opinion are stars.
Freo Shark
18 Sep 2006, 09:56
Medders showed what talent he has in the final yesterday. Farmer isnt getting younger either and not less volatile. Medders is the ideal replacement or teammate for him.
Polak seems to be required by Freo and is still very young and should be ideally pursued with. Pav with the attention he gets and the dodgy shoulder what would happen if he got injured ??
Ideally you wouldnt trade either of them, but we wont get a Jetta with our draft pick but and no other player that would be traded has trade value. Both have a great potential for McPheeism.
Undertaker
18 Sep 2006, 11:45
I am quite happy to keep Polak, Medhurst and not trade them for draft picks, but if the opportunity arose to get Wells or Ray I would take it, both have skill and pace which would improve our midfield. Freo's premiership window is now open we probably have 2-3 years to win one. Polak & Medhurst are not in our best 22 and nothing will change next year unless we get hit by injuries, Freo have done well by recruiting mature age proven players Carr's, Bell, Farmer, Headland, Cook etc the draft is still a lottery getting a top 10 draft pick is no guarantee that we will improve our squad look at Ryley Dunn.
I am confident the club will make the right decision.
David_Brent
18 Sep 2006, 12:52
Wells and Ray are over rated and don't fit in with our desire for six foot plus midfielders with bulk who can run all day.
Are you saying thats what you need or thats what youve got now?
I cant think of many in the Dockers midfield that fit that description? That only 2 I can think of would be Dodd and Crowley but they play off the flanks/ wings.
ImperialPurple
18 Sep 2006, 14:30
Are you saying thats what you need or thats what youve got now?
I cant think of many in the Dockers midfield that fit that description? That only 2 I can think of would be Dodd and Crowley but they play off the flanks/ wings.
Read it carefully. He said Ray and Wells don't fit in with our desire for 6' plus.......
ie we desire 6' + midfielders with bulk who can run all day, and they don't fit that description.
(although ray probably could with an extra 10kg of muscle on him...)
theGav56
18 Sep 2006, 16:26
I cant think of many in the Dockers midfield that fit that description? That only 2 I can think of would be Dodd and Crowley but they play off the flanks/ wings.
Think harder.
M Carr and D Headland. Midfielder is a bigger group of players these days and Dodd and Crowley dfeinitely figure. Dodd less so recently because he has been anchored in the backline due to team requirements.
Think harder.
M Carr and D Headland. Midfielder is a bigger group of players these days and Dodd and Crowley dfeinitely figure. Dodd less so recently because he has been anchored in the backline due to team requirements.
Add Webster & Peake who are over 6'.
Peakey is a bit short of bulk at this stage but he can run hard all day.
Mundy & Magic are spending a lot of time on the wing as well.
dominguez
21 Sep 2006, 15:18
The tigers are after Polak but won't trade their first pick
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/20/1158431782800.html
Polak and our third round pick (47-50) for picks 26 and 42? Probably not a great deal. Hopefully the bulldogs will offer their first pick (11) but I doubt it.