Polak trade

[sabre_ac]

I think freo will be looking to trade this guy as he is going to waste in our lineup.
With an abundance of KPP talent, perhaps his services would be more appreciated elsewhere.
So my question are these.

1. What is his value

2. Which clubs would be most interested in him

3. How much longer are Wells/Ray contracted for, what would it take freo to bring one of these guys home in return for Polak?

[bellzy]

I think freo will be looking to trade this guy as he is going to waste in our lineup.
With an abundance of KPP talent, perhaps his services would be more appreciated elsewhere.
So my question are these.

1. What is his value

2. Which clubs would be most interested in him

3. How much longer are Wells/Ray contracted for, what would it take freo to bring one of these guys home in return for Polak?


If ur talking about the Doggies Wells, he was delisted.
His Value, late 1st/early second rounder. Kanagas want nothing to do with him.

[sput1956]

How much longer are Wells/Ray contracted for, what would it take freo to bring one of these guys home in return for Polak?

Wells is contracted until the end of 2008 and it would take a lot more than Troy Polak to get him.

[cobba]

Roos show no interest!!

[cobba]

Wells is contracted until the end of 2008 and it would take a lot more than Troy Polak to get him.

troy??

[whippersnipper]

In my personal opnion, I think Polak would be worth a second round pick- somewhere in the vicinity of 20-25. Possibly even later first round- but highly unlikely. Later second round pick with decent fringe player. The Dogs would be a good home for a stray like Polak (sad pun intended) but they will be looking to secure Akermanis with that I'd imagine. Richmond is another club that might want to draft him, and would have the pick to do it (23, 24?), but I'd be worried about him and Richo:D, and Richmond might want to go with a youth policy this year. Geelong might want him, again has the pick, but not sure if any of their players would fit Freo at all.

[cobba]

In my personal opnion, I think Polak would be worth a second round pick- somewhere in the vicinity of 20-25. Possibly even later first round- but highly unlikely. Later second round pick with decent fringe player. The Dogs would be a good home for a stray like Polak (sad pun intended) but they will be looking to secure Akermanis with that I'd imagine. Richmond is another club that might want to draft him, and would have the pick to do it (23, 24?), but I'd be worried about him and Richo:D, and Richmond might want to go with a youth policy this year. Geelong might want him, again has the pick, but not sure if any of their players would fit Freo at all.

The blues will take him!!

[whippersnipper]

The blues will take him!!
That's right, he isnt old enough for the Roos.

[divvydan]

In an ABC radio interview talking about the season, Rodney Eade mentioned that "We've been told they're not trading him" in reference to Polak.
http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/news/afl/were-not-far-behind-the-best-eade/2006/09/17/1158431577248.html

It might just be Fremantle not wanting to unsettle Polak before the season is over, but something to note.

[Kooley]

The blues will take him!!
we would but we couldn't match the roos two first round draft picks that they would give up for him

[Snoop Dog]

He is probably worth a pick around 30 for me although Pies would not be interested. Realistically I think there would only be a few - Blues, Dogs, Port, Tigers, Hawks come to mind.

[DynamoUltra]

Depends what we get for Spider.

[sherminator]

Polak for Akermanis?

[Realistic Tiger]

I believe that with Kellaway being forced out that Polak could be a target to play down back as the Tigers do need to sure up that end, not sure if Polak would be the right answer but if they want ready made he is about the mark. Also you would thing if the Dockers were keen to keep him they would not have made a last minute change to replace him on Friday night.

[Sigwald]

In an ABC radio interview talking about the season, Rodney Eade mentioned that "We've been told they're not trading him" in reference to Polak.
http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/news/afl/were-not-far-behind-the-best-eade/2006/09/17/1158431577248.html

It might just be Fremantle not wanting to unsettle Polak before the season is over, but something to note.
That'd be great. I rate Polak highly and hope we can keep him.

[theGav56]

Also you would thing if the Dockers were keen to keep him they would not have made a last minute change to replace him on Friday night.

You select a team to wina game of football, not to keep a player on your list. The reality for Polak is that he has some very tough competition for a spot in either our forward or back line. Fantastic insurance in case anything happens to one of our KPP's, but he would get more game time in another team, that is for sure.

[Ted38]

If the Dockers get an opportunity to do a deal with the the Doggies they should look no further than Farren Ray.

[coasting]

If the Dockers get an opportunity to do a deal with the the Doggies they should look no further than Farren Ray.

Haven't the Dishlickers been done over enough by the Dockers at the trade table?

[blumfieldisback]

If the Dockers get an opportunity to do a deal with the the Doggies they should look no further than Farren Ray.

well i think ray has started to show something so why would the bullies want to trade him now after smith has retired???

[Roosurgence]

I think Polak's trade value has been seriously hurt by Fremantle not giving him any game time.

Teams aren't going to be going hell for leather over a player that can't make the starting 22, especially when the trade is so deep this year.

Fremantle will be keen to offload Polak if he doesn't fit into their long term plans and I can see him going for a late 2nd rounder with a fringe player thrown in.

In last years draft he may have commanded a quality pick, but the strength of this years draft may also hurt his value.

Collingwood may be a suitable fit, with players like Wakelin and Presti getting on and the Clokes out of favour, just a thought?

[mbaset]

can he play CHB

[BC013]

Heard he had some off field issues??

[Mr Miller]

Heard he had some off field issues??

He's on his last chance.

[Merv]

I think Polak's trade value has been seriously hurt by Fremantle not giving him any game time.

Teams aren't going to be going hell for leather over a player that can't make the starting 22, especially when the trade is so deep this year.

Fremantle will be keen to offload Polak if he doesn't fit into their long term plans and I can see him going for a late 2nd rounder with a fringe player thrown in.

In last years draft he may have commanded a quality pick, but the strength of this years draft may also hurt his value.

Collingwood may be a suitable fit, with players like Wakelin and Presti getting on and the Clokes out of favour, just a thought?

I Doubt Collingwood, unless they are lucky enough to affload the 2 dud cloaks, the problem is they want to keep the good one but they MAY be a package deal.
David Cloak is reported to be extremely irritated at Jasons treatment and i think 2 of them are out of contract at the end of this year.
If they keep them both i doubt Polak as they will be looking for a bit of mid pace also.

[theGav56]

You guys are crackers. Eade has asked the Dockers if Polak is available for trade, and the Dockers have said no he isn't. It is up to the Bulldogs to put the deal on the table. Late second round draft pick and fringe player?? Yeah right. Farren Ray would be what is asked for. And the very least would be your first rounder.

Fringe players are not required as they mean we have to delist someone, which we don not want to do. The only possible way to get him is with a good player or a good draft pick.

He's still contracted for another year, and yes he can play CHB, though struggles on Subiaco Oval where more leg speed is a big requirement. But gee the Dogs would have liked someone who could be a marking machine in their back or forward line on Saturday night.

[Realistic Tiger]

You select a team to wina game of football, not to keep a player on your list. The reality for Polak is that he has some very tough competition for a spot in either our forward or back line. Fantastic insurance in case anything happens to one of our KPP's, but he would get more game time in another team, that is for sure.

Understand that and I can only assume it was a bit of gamesnemship by the Dockers naming him and then replacing him with Webster?.

Exactly why the Dockers may look at trading him he faces some stiff comp for places and getting a draft pick or another type of player that you need maybe worth looking at. Polak has value and time on his side. I believe the Tigers are keen and would gladly take him as our backline looks very thin.

[Gibbsrightboot]

Isn't Polak out of contract?

Therefore this puts Carlton in Pole Position if they want to secure his services in the PSD all we would need to do is agree personal terms.

[theGav56]

Isn't Polak out of contract?

Therefore this puts Carlton in Pole Position if they want to secure his services in the PSD all we would need to do is agree personal terms.

That's true it would if that was the situation. But he has another year to run, so keep looking at Gardiner, or come up with a trade.

The only way it would put you in "poll" position by the way, is if you could convicne him with $$$'s or your clubs future potential that he would be better going to you than say....Bulldogs, Hawthorn etc.

[duckboy]

You guys are crackers. Eade has asked the Dockers if Polak is available for trade, and the Dockers have said no he isn't. It is up to the Bulldogs to put the deal on the table. Late second round draft pick and fringe player?? Yeah right. Farren Ray would be what is asked for. And the very least would be your first rounder.

Fringe players are not required as they mean we have to delist someone, which we don not want to do. The only possible way to get him is with a good player or a good draft pick.

He's still contracted for another year, and yes he can play CHB, though struggles on Subiaco Oval where more leg speed is a big requirement. But gee the Dogs would have liked someone who could be a marking machine in their back or forward line on Saturday night.

If Polak's "a marking machine" why can't he get a game with Freo then? He's behind some handy players at the moment and I'm sure we at Richmond would love some of them. However, none are out and out stars or AA's.

I think an early second rounder (20-24) is about the right currency for him. Nobody's going to be as stupid as the Kangas and geelong have been in recent trade periods.

[Doggy]

You guys are crackers. Eade has asked the Dockers if Polak is available for trade, and the Dockers have said no he isn't. It is up to the Bulldogs to put the deal on the table. Late second round draft pick and fringe player?? Yeah right. Farren Ray would be what is asked for. And the very least would be your first rounder.

Fringe players are not required as they mean we have to delist someone, which we don not want to do. The only possible way to get him is with a good player or a good draft pick.

He's still contracted for another year, and yes he can play CHB, though struggles on Subiaco Oval where more leg speed is a big requirement. But gee the Dogs would have liked someone who could be a marking machine in their back or forward line on Saturday night.

Eade has said that our first round pick is going nowhere. As for Ray, he is only going IF he wants to. I don't see him as wanting to go, as he has said lately he wants to stay.:)

Polak = Can't get into the Freo team & has off field issues = Hack:rolleyes:

[Nightwolf]

Some of these posts are truly laughable. Polak isnt worth anything more than a second rounder. You give up more, youre getting screwed over.

[duckboy]

Some of these posts are truly laughable. Polak isnt worth anything more than a second rounder. You give up more, youre getting screwed over.

I agree wholeheartedly.

If Ray has visions of going home (and I haven't heard anything), the trade would be more like:

Polak and Freo 2nd Round Pick for Ray (younger, proven finals player)

[Doggy]

I agree wholeheartedly.

If Ray has visions of going home (and I haven't heard anything), the trade would be more like:

Polak and Freo 2nd Round Pick for Ray (younger, proven finals player)

Whereas Polak is not proven, can't get a game, and is a hack:rolleyes:

[stefoid]

polak for eagleton. what would freo supports say to that.

[Undertaker]

polak for eagleton. what would freo supports say to that.
:D :D :p

[theGav56]

Eade has said that our first round pick is going nowhere. As for Ray, he is only going IF he wants to. I don't see him as wanting to go, as he has said lately he wants to stay.:)

Polak = Can't get into the Freo team & has off field issues = Hack:rolleyes:

So Eade wants to recruit hacks because they will improve your team. Nice work.

[Kovacks]

Fiora was a early first round pick to so why not a strait swap for Polack?

Freo fans would laugh at it because its laughable. Just like its laughalbe about them wanting a first round pick for polack whos been around for five years now and done nothing to cement a spot in the firsts. If thres better players keeping polak out of the senios why wouldnt a smart club try to trade for one of them Id love to get johnson to the Hawks and for him id give up something of worth like a first rounder an a player.
But Polak get real. Five years is alot of time an d for to me its shows he strugles to play at that level. Might give up a third rounder (but the hawks cant coz of kennedy and the father son ths year) but thats around all. Desprate clubs for a key postion like the doggs might offer a bit more but would think they could find better in the draft anwyway so why trade away there futures.
Keep polHACK for another year of doing nothing but being good a depth player for yous Freo and watch hm walk to a psd pick next year or even just geting cut of the list after six years of not doing mutch at all. Or taek a second rounder now and might get something but thats the best you can hpe for.

[4blues]

What off field issues has he got? If you cant post it PM me please.

[rgauci]

Eade has said that our first round pick is going nowhere. As for Ray, he is only going IF he wants to. I don't see him as wanting to go, as he has said lately he wants to stay.:)

Polak = Can't get into the Freo team & has off field issues = Hack:rolleyes:

WHy did your coach inquire about him then. Obviously looking for Hacks.

Our talls > any talls in the country.

What would you give up for Ryan Murphy or Michael Johnson? Polak is just behind these two.

[cschreuder61]

Putting it in perspective Watt got a first round pick last year, so some clubs may give up an early second rounder in a strong draft for Polak. (Although I think Saints were crazy to give up a first round pick for a forward considering their forward line).

I personally wouldn't give up much for him, but he'd still be worth trying to pick up if a suitable trade came along.

[theGav56]

Love the people on here trying to rate polak as worthy of next to nothing as trade. The simple answer is, don't trade for him. The reality is the Dockers have said they want to keep him, or another way of putting it is, if you want him then you need to offer up a value trade. If not, go develop a KPP over the next 4-5 years.

[cschreuder61]

Love the people on here trying to rate polak as worthy of next to nothing as trade. The simple answer is, don't trade for him. The reality is the Dockers have said they want to keep him, or another way of putting it is, if you want him then you need to offer up a value trade. If not, go develop a KPP over the next 4-5 years.
Not next to nothing, but not demanding a whole lot.

Why would you risk giving up more than an mid range second round pick for player who hasn't proved himself, and one with questionable desire and off-field activities.

If he wasn't taken at pick 4 in 2001, would many people even know who he is? I think not.

[theGav56]

Not next to nothing, but not demanding a whole lot.

Why would you risk giving up more than an mid range second round pick for player who hasn't proved himself, and one with questionable desire and off-field activities.

If he wasn't taken at pick 4 in 2001, would many people even know who he is? I think not.

The reason is because they find it difficult to name a KPP who may be available for trade who is half decent. They are a little rarer than what you'll get for a midreange second round pick. Plus the second round KPP won't play decent football for 4-5 years, so if you are eg the Bulldogs and you think thre is a physically mature player, who still has improvement in him, who plays for a team with a plethora of KP players, then you start to do the maths, and then you do a trade. Plus when more than one team needs a mature KPP then you have an auction for a commodity that is in short supply. Eade has already made the move. Didn't take him long did it?

As an exercise, name other young KPP who may be available for trade, and who are better than Polak?

[scooter600x]

He's still contracted for another year, and yes he can play CHB, though struggles on Subiaco Oval where more leg speed is a big requirement. But gee the Dogs would have liked someone who could be a marking machine in their back or forward line on Saturday night.
Out of contract and won't be at Freo next year.

Freo will start off asking for a first rounder and settle for a second rounder when they realise no-one will pay their price and they're risking losing him for nothing.

[SeymourLions]

WHy did your coach inquire about him then. Obviously looking for Hacks.

Our talls > any talls in the country.

What would you give up for Ryan Murphy or Michael Johnson? Polak is just behind these two.


Ive heard the Saints and the Swans talls go alright ;)

[duckboy]

As an exercise, name other young KPP who may be available for trade, and who are better than Polak?

There won't be many, maybe:

Leigh Brown - Kangaroos
Ray Hall - Richmond
Luke Livingstone - Carlton
Ash Hansen - West Coast
Nathan Bock - Adelaide

[Brian Fontana]

Heard he had some off field issues??

Yes I believe their may have been two others with the same "off field issues"

[Dave The Man]

I heard he is going to become a Magpie!

[Pharaoh]

There won't be many, maybe:

Leigh Brown - Kangaroos
Ray Hall - Richmond
Luke Livingstone - Carlton
Ash Hansen - West Coast
Nathan Bock - Adelaide

Ray Hall... aha aha ha ha ha ha

[Kmart Rouge]

I think freo will be looking to trade this guy as he is going to waste in our lineup.
With an abundance of KPP talent, perhaps his services would be more appreciated elsewhere.
So my question are these.

1. What is his value

2. Which clubs would be most interested in him

3. How much longer are Wells/Ray contracted for, what would it take freo to bring one of these guys home in return for Polak?

wells is from SA

wat makes u think he'd come home to WA :rolleyes:

[TGR]

wells is from SA

wat makes u think he'd come home to WA :rolleyes:


Originally yes but played for WA at the carnival and was drafted from there, so I suspect thats where the family are now.

[recon]

I heard he is going to become a Magpie!
God I hope not only rated because he was a high draft pick, dud.

[Kmart Rouge]

Originally yes but played for WA at the carnival and was drafted from there, so I suspect thats where the family are now.

his family are south aussies they live in SA :rolleyes:

anyways wellsy already startin a family here....got married loves mebounre

will stay in vic

[rgauci]

Ive heard the Saints and the Swans talls go alright ;)

I call rucks talls too.

I challenge anyone to match the following:

1st ruck: Sandilands
2nd ruck/forward: Longmuir
CHF: Pavlich
FB: McPharlin
FF: Murphy
CHB: Johnson

Spares:
Ruck: Warnock (still 2 years away, probably get a game in 2007, more in 2008). So essentially quite poor in depth but an excellent pair in Longmuir and Sandilands.
Forwards: Polak + Campbell. Good depth, i expect Polak to stay at Fremantle.
Backs: Mundy, Parker and Grover can play tall. Haddrill out injured at the moment.

So all in all a fairly talented bunch. But i agree Saints and Swans could be better. THough i think our dominance in the ruck push our talls over the line. But thats a subjective view.

[Crow-mo]

You guys are crackers. Eade has asked the Dockers if Polak is available for trade, and the Dockers have said no he isn't. It is up to the Bulldogs to put the deal on the table. Late second round draft pick and fringe player?? Yeah right. Farren Ray would be what is asked for. And the very least would be your first rounder.

Fringe players are not required as they mean we have to delist someone, which we don not want to do. The only possible way to get him is with a good player or a good draft pick.

He's still contracted for another year, and yes he can play CHB, though struggles on Subiaco Oval where more leg speed is a big requirement. But gee the Dogs would have liked someone who could be a marking machine in their back or forward line on Saturday night.

your confusing fantasy Graham, with the one you're dealing with.
the one who has blown his last chance, and can no longer make the side.

He's a big talent no question, but you're hardly offloading from a position of strength. I think his ability, weighted against his issues, gives you a 2nd round pick.

for which, I'd be happy if we ponyed up with.

[Crow-mo]

Love the people on here trying to rate polak as worthy of next to nothing as trade. The simple answer is, don't trade for him. The reality is the Dockers have said they want to keep him, or another way of putting it is, if you want him then you need to offer up a value trade. If not, go develop a KPP over the next 4-5 years.

the reality is... something you're not too familiar with.

why aren't you playing him????

[coopers pale]

I'd trade Leigh Brown for Polak.

Both seem to me to be on the verge, neither are stars, but both add depth to a list - Polak adds depth at KPP, whereas Brown is a tweener/versatile (depending on your perspective).

[Books]

I'd trade Leigh Brown for Polak.

Both seem to me to be on the verge, neither are stars, but both add depth to a list - Polak adds depth at KPP, whereas Brown is a tweener/versatile (depending on your perspective).

Leigh Brown won't go back to Freo.

[Brian Fontana]

I'd trade Leigh Brown for Polak.

Both seem to me to be on the verge, neither are stars, but both add depth to a list - Polak adds depth at KPP, whereas Brown is a tweener/versatile (depending on your perspective).



u can have leigh harding next season for him and then we can hav him bak year after OR our 5th round pik

The guys a spud at afllevel hasnt done nothing and also has the added "off field issue"

[Roosurgence]

u can have leigh harding next season for him and then we can hav him bak year after OR our 5th round pik

The guys a spud at afllevel hasnt done nothing and also has the added "off field issue"

I didn't know he was Michael Firrito's cousin?:D

In all seriousness Spud has more ticker in his right toenail than Polak has in his entire body. Pity he didn't have the go in him like Spud because then he would be a gun!

[footy_paul]

There won't be many, maybe:

Leigh Brown - Kangaroos
Ray Hall - Richmond
Luke Livingstone - Carlton
Ash Hansen - West Coast
Nathan Bock - Adelaide

Ash Hansen, clearly not moving from WA, and is better then polak anyday, can consistantly get a game in west coasts firsts mean he must be pretty good:rolleyes:

[footy_paul]

Can someone please PM me with Polaks "Off field issues" if they cant be said

[macca69]

I call rucks talls too.

I challenge anyone to match the following:

1st ruck: Sandilands
2nd ruck/forward: Longmuir
CHF: Pavlich
FB: McPharlin
FF: Murphy
CHB: Johnson


1st ruck: Cox>Sandilands
2nd ruck: Seaby<Longmuir
CHF: Hansen<Pavlich
FB: Glass>McPharlin
FF: Lynch>Murphy
CHB: Hunter>Johnson

[rgauci]

1st ruck: Cox>Sandilands
2nd ruck: Seaby<Longmuir
CHF: Hansen<Pavlich
FB: Glass>McPharlin
FF: Lynch>Murphy
CHB: Hunter>Johnson

THe last two are very debatable. Lynch > Murphy. Though once Murphy gets 22 games, you may actually find Murphy > Lynch.

Quinten Lynch Ryan Murphy
West Coast Eagles Fremantle Dockers
80 Career Games 23
January 21, 1983 May 24, 1985
194 cm Height 192 cm
102 kg Weight 90 kg
24 2006 Games 11
9.8 Kicks Per Game 7.7
4.2 Handballs Per Game 2.7
14.0 Disposals Per Game 10.4
5.4 Marks Per Game 5.7
2.5 Goals Per Game 1.9
1.2 Behinds Per Game 0.7
1.1 Tackles Per Game 0.6
1.5 Hitouts Per Game 0
0.7 Frees For Per Game 0.2
0.6 Frees Against Per Game 0.8




I'd take Johnson over Hunter. Refer to Polls board, they should be =.

Its also a matter of how much better. Pavlich >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hansen. Cox >> Sandi. Longmuir >>>>> Seaby. Glass >>>>> McPharlin. Hunter = Johnson. Lynch > Murphy.

EDIT: but yeah i see your point. My talls point may have had more substance before we traded SImmonds and Croad. Quite the depth considering we still have Polak on the sidelines.

But i thought Graham was your CHB. Hunter 3rd tall defender, so it would be better to compare him with Mundy. But anyway, as above.

[macca69]

THe last two are very debatable. Lynch > Murphy. Though once Murphy gets 22 games, you may actually find Murphy > Lynch.

Quinten Lynch Ryan Murphy
West Coast Eagles Fremantle Dockers
80 Career Games 23
January 21, 1983 May 24, 1985
194 cm Height 192 cm
102 kg Weight 90 kg
24 2006 Games 11
9.8 Kicks Per Game 7.7
4.2 Handballs Per Game 2.7
14.0 Disposals Per Game 10.4
5.4 Marks Per Game 5.7
2.5 Goals Per Game 1.9
1.2 Behinds Per Game 0.7
1.1 Tackles Per Game 0.6
1.5 Hitouts Per Game 0
0.7 Frees For Per Game 0.2
0.6 Frees Against Per Game 0.8




I'd take Johnson over Hunter. Refer to Polls board, they should be =.

Its also a matter of how much better. Pavlich >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hansen. Cox >> Sandi. Longmuir >>>>> Seaby. Glass >>>>> McPharlin. Hunter = Johnson. Lynch > Murphy.

Lynch is far better than Murphy at this stage, you can't say that Murphy will be better than Lynch, we are judging on how good a player they are ATM, not predicting how good they will be. If we were doing that then I'd say Seaby will become better than Longmuir.

As good as Pavlich is, Hansen isn't as far behind him as you say he is. We are undefeated with Hansen in the side which demonstrates his ability. Hunter is also a better player than Johnson at this stage, couldn't see anyone disputing that.

Pavlich >>>>>>>>>> Hansen
Cox >>>> Sandilands
Longmuir >> Seaby
Glass >>>>>>> McPharlin
Hunter >> Johnson
Lynch >>> Murphy

[rgauci]

Lynch is far better than Murphy at this stage, you can't say that Murphy will be better than Lynch, we are judging on how good a player they are ATM, not predicting how good they will be. If we were doing that then I'd say Seaby will become better than Longmuir.

As good as Pavlich is, Hansen isn't as far behind him as you say he is. We are undefeated with Hansen in the side which demonstrates his ability. Hunter is also a better player than Johnson at this stage, couldn't see anyone disputing that.
Pavlich >>>>>>>>>> Hansen
Cox >>>> Sandilands
Longmuir >> Seaby
Glass >>>>>>> McPharlin
Hunter >> Johnson
Lynch >>> Murphy

Quite a few neutral supporters in fact. Check the polls board. Its closer than you think. You should have put graham there. You know he's your true CHB, compare Mundy with Hunter then.

[macca69]

Quite a few neutral supporters in fact. Check the polls board. Its closer than you think. You should have put graham there. You know he's your true CHB, compare Mundy with Hunter then.

true CHB don't get dropped for finals matches. Graham is our 3rd tall and has only played CHB in the absence of Hunter. I have heard a few Freo supporters claim that Graham is in fact our CHB, maybe because he is a similar player to Johnson? Hunter plays on the gun opposition CHF week in week out and goes forward when we are in trouble, which may result in Graham taking Hunter's man.

[SCRAY72]

Haven't the Dishlickers been done over enough by the Dockers at the trade table?

Wallace and Rohde are gone now,hopefully player trading with all clubs will improve from now on. Eade traded well when he was at Sydney.

[rgauci]

true CHB don't get dropped for finals matches. Graham is our 3rd tall and has only played CHB in the absence of Hunter. I have heard a few Freo supporters claim that Graham is in fact our CHB, maybe because he is a similar player to Johnson? Hunter plays on the gun opposition CHF week in week out and goes forward when we are in trouble, which may result in Graham taking Hunter's man.

You do when you play the Bulldogs and he's your worst tall.

[coasting]

Longmuir >> Seaby

Can't agree with this. Longmuir is a better forward but as a ruckman Seaby >>> Longmuir

[Nightwolf]

Can't agree with this. Longmuir is a better forward but as a ruckman Seaby >>> Longmuir

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D

Seaby is the biggest hack...

[coasting]

Seaby is the biggest hack...

Another insightful post from Nightwolf_69 :o

[rgauci]

How can Seaby compare to Longmuir. Longmuir has finished in the top 5 for best and fairest at the club before this injury riddled season.

Just because Seaby stepped up for 4 weeks to lead the ruck while Cox was down doesn't make him a superstar. Why would he be dropped against the Swans who played 2 rucks?

Longmuir >>>>>>>>> Seaby. As a forward, as a ruckman. And on potential.

[theGav56]

your confusing fantasy Graham, with the one you're dealing with.
the one who has blown his last chance, and can no longer make the side.

He's a big talent no question, but you're hardly offloading from a position of strength. I think his ability, weighted against his issues, gives you a 2nd round pick.

for which, I'd be happy if we ponyed up with.

As you say he isn't in the side, which in my opinion has more to do with the strength of our talls. I have no talls that whose performance I am unhappy with, plus we still have several talls who did not make the side last week; Grover, Haddril, Thornton, Drum, Polak, Campbell. All of those would be a chance to make the team when fit, perhaps except for Campbell who is virtually untried. As with Leigh Brown a few years ago, they may not consistantly make our best 22, but they would make it for another team.

So you'd give up your second rounder, which indicates to me that a team with fewer talls than Adelaide would give up more. Fair enough. That's what happens with trading. If you get an offer that makes a trade worthwhile you take it, if not, then you are a team with good depth. For us, that's a win either way.

[sinepari]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D

Seaby is the biggest hack...

Do you watch football? Honestly.

[theGav56]

Pavlich >>>>>>>>>> Hansen
Cox >>>> Sandilands
Longmuir >> Seaby
Glass >>>>>>> McPharlin
Hunter >> Johnson
Lynch >>> Murphy

The very confusing thing about this debate is that it is generally agreed that WC have the best midfield in the comp, and that it is a "weakness" for Freo. So if your midfield and your talls are better than ours, how come we have beaten you in the last few games?

[Bestbird]

The very confusing thing about this debate is that it is generally agreed that WC have the best midfield in the comp, and that it is a "weakness" for Freo. So if your midfield and your talls are better than ours, how come we have beaten you in the last few games?

Who has won more games this year, It is not that confusing


As for Polaks worth

At best mid 20's IMO but his form is along similar lines to McDougall at West Coast

Both are early draft pick who have been dissapointments so far in there careers and have been surpassed by others in there roles this year.

To give you an insight that is unbiased

What do you think McDougall is worth as a trade?

In saying that there are a few clubs desperate for a tall defender so you might get lucky and get that mid range 2 round pick

[Murray]

I think freo will be looking to trade this guy as he is going to waste in our lineup.
With an abundance of KPP talent, perhaps his services would be more appreciated elsewhere.
So my question are these.

1. What is his value

A slab of Coke

[theGav56]

Who has won more games this year, It is not that confusing

What do you think McDougall is worth as a trade?

Don't have the ability to folow a debate? Some Eagles fan puts your talls directly up against the Dockers and concludes yours are better. The rest of the universe disagrees, so when they actually play against each other, what is the result?

McDougal is worth whatever anyone wants to give for him. So far in the trade debate on Bigfooty the answer is..... nothing. As for Polak, the answer is somewhere in the second round zone. The reality is that there is interest in him from several clubs, and that the Dockers don't want to trade him. The only way they will is if there is a value trade, which means a first round pick or a good player.

[macca69]

Don't have the ability to folow a debate? Some Eagles fan puts your talls directly up against the Dockers and concludes yours are better. The rest of the universe disagrees, so when they actually play against each other, what is the result?

McDougal is worth whatever anyone wants to give for him. So far in the trade debate on Bigfooty the answer is..... nothing. As for Polak, the answer is somewhere in the second round zone. The reality is that there is interest in him from several clubs, and that the Dockers don't want to trade him. The only way they will is if there is a value trade, which means a first round pick or a good player.


If you wanna judge your KPP on 2 games thats fine, I'd prefer to judge them over the course of the season. Hansen missed both Derbys, Hunter was underdone for the second derby and there is no real matchup for Glass when McPharlin plays back and Murphy doesn't play.

I merely responded to a Freo poster stating that they had the best KPP in the league and wrote them out in each position individually. I compared them to the players who play that position for us and I personally thought our KPP were better. Given we've won more games than anyone else this year, it's not surprising we have the best KPP is it?

[Ripper]

I reckon that those who are saying Cox >> Sandilands are living in the past.

[theGav56]

If you wanna judge your KPP on 2 games thats fine, I'd prefer to judge them over the course of the season. Hansen missed both Derbys, Hunter was underdone for the second derby and there is no real matchup for Glass when McPharlin plays back and Murphy doesn't play.

I merely responded to a Freo poster stating that they had the best KPP in the league and wrote them out in each position individually. I compared them to the players who play that position for us and I personally thought our KPP were better. Given we've won more games than anyone else this year, it's not surprising we have the best KPP is it?

Foolish macca. You won the games because you have the best midfield. I don't judge our KPP on 2 games. I know they are good. Some Eagle wowser wanted to compare them.

[macca69]

I reckon that those who are saying Cox >> Sandilands are living in the past.

In that Cox got an AA award a week ago, despite missing 5 games?

I reakon that those who say Sandilands > Cox need to stay off the drugs.

[macca69]

Foolish macca. You won the games because you have the best midfield. I don't judge our KPP on 2 games. I know they are good. Some Eagle wowser wanted to compare them.

Glass and Cox got AA. Hunter is IMO the best CHB in the league, would have been AA in the last 2 years if he hadn't gotten injured. We haven't lost a game with Hansen in the side, and Lynch was 3rd in goals kicked for the 2nd half of the year.


So I stand by my rankings.

Pavlich > Hansen
Cox > Sandilands
Longmuir > Seaby
Glass >> McPharlin
Hunter > Johnson
Lynch > Murphy

Any there you disagree with?

[Ripper]

In that Cox got an AA award a week ago?

Over the season Cox was better , but if you listened to Stan Alves on Sunday you would have heard him say that he sat down to do his AA team and Sandi was the best in the last half of the season.

You only have to see the way He monsterered Cox , Lade and White in 3 out of the last 4 weeks to see that Stan is right.

Funnily enough the bloke He has had the most trouble with this year is Matthew Clark.

[macca69]

Over the season Cox was better , but if you listened to Stan Alves on Sunday you would have heard him say that he sat down to do his AA team and Sandi was the best in the last half of the season.

You only have to see the way He monsterered Cox , Lade and White in 3 out of the last 4 weeks to see that Stan is right.

Funnily enough the bloke He has had the most trouble with this year is Matthew Clark.

It's almost a cliche, but Matthew Clark is the best tap-ruckman in the competition.

I rate Sandilands, he could dominate the competition next year, but it's silly to say he's better than Cox IMO. Cox has back to back AA and is just finding his form after being out of the side for a few months. His last half of the season may have been good, but would you say Lynch is better than Barry Hall because he's played better in the 2nd half of the year?

[Ripper]

It's almost a cliche, but Matthew Clark is the best tap-ruckman in the competition.

I rate Sandilands, he could dominate the competition next year, but it's silly to say he's better than Cox IMO. Cox has back to back AA and is just finding his form after being out of the side for a few months. His last half of the season may have been good, but would you say Lynch is better than Barry Hall because he's played better in the 2nd half of the year?

Hard to tell as forwards don't play directly on one another like ruckmen.

Sandi has toweled up both AA rucks in the last 3 weeks. Our 10 out of 11 game winning streak started when He returned to the side.

I am a fan of the big unit and reckon you lost the unloseable GF last year not playing him. But I would not get too carried away with him dominating against a side with only 2 KPP's.

[macca69]

Hard to tell as forwards don't play directly on one another like ruckmen.

Sandi has toweled up both AA rucks in the last 3 weeks. Our 10 out of 11 game winning streak started when He returned to the side.

I am a fan of the big unit and reckon you lost the unloseable GF last year not playing him. But I would not get too carried away with him dominating against a side with only 2 KPP's.

That's a good point you make about ruckmen. Although Cox was underdone and White has been in pretty poor form for most of the second half of the year. He did absolutely towl up Lade though.

Lynch fwiw has kicked 40 goals in his last 11 games, so it's not as if his game against the bulldogs was a one off, he was backup ruck for at least 4 of those games too IIRC.

[cakewalk06]

Going against what seems to be the consensus on this thread, I rate Polak as a chance to be a big improver with a change of scenery. Has good hands. I'd be happy for him to come to the Pies for a second-round pick.

[Kenny_01]

Glass and Cox got AA. Hunter is IMO the best CHB in the league, would have been AA in the last 2 years if he hadn't gotten injured. We haven't lost a game with Hansen in the side, and Lynch was 3rd in goals kicked for the 2nd half of the year.


So I stand by my rankings.

Pavlich > Hansen
Cox > Sandilands
Longmuir > Seaby
Glass >> McPharlin
Hunter > Johnson
Lynch > Murphy

Any there you disagree with?

Johnson and Murphy have more talent than Lynch and Hunter, and are a lot younger. They are worth a lot more on the trade table. If you think otherwise, you are kidding yourself.

[macca69]

Johnson and Murphy have more talent than Lynch and Hunter, and are a lot younger.

I wasn't comparing age or talent. I was comparing their current ability.

[Kenny_01]

I wasn't comparing age or talent. I was comparing their current ability.

Murphy has played 23 games while Johnson has played 35. Hunter has played 106 games and Lynch has played 80. When they reach the same amount, it will Johnson and Murphy by how far.

[theGav56]

That's a good point you make about ruckmen. Although Cox was underdone and White has been in pretty poor form for most of the second half of the year. He did absolutely towl up Lade though.

By definition AA players are better than non AA players. But the distance between the two is marginal.

Lynch fwiw has kicked 40 goals in his last 11 games

Which is a what you expect for a player who is force fed the ball and is purely there to kick goals. Add in the rest of the year and he has not been good at all, but very ordinary at best.

[irukandji]

I came here to read about Polak, not some predictable bitch fight between WC & Freo supporters over whose rucks are better - take it outside ...

Polak = can mark - (can't kick + "off-field issues") = 2nd round pick

[Tigerbob]

I came here to read about Polak, not some predictable bitch fight between WC & Freo supporters over whose rucks are better - take it outside ...

Polak = can mark - (can't kick + "off-field issues") = 2nd round pick


Good argument:

Can mark - good quality
Cant kick - Bad Quality
Off field issues - Bad Quality - from what I hear, an extremely bad quality.

= Pick from 30 - 40.

[duckboy]

If some of the players that have surfaced in the past couple of days as potential trades (Bradshaw, Fisher, Thornton, Michael) end up being still up for grabs in the trade period, Polak's value will diminish.

[theGav56]

If some of the players that have surfaced in the past couple of days as potential trades (Bradshaw, Fisher, Thornton, Michael) end up being still up for grabs in the trade period, Polak's value will diminish.

Of course the more mature talls up for trade the less the value for all of them, because there is more bargaining power. Not a problem because Freo are happy to keep him. But in reality I don't think there will be many.

There does seem to be plenty of interest in Polak on this thread, mostly saying we want him, but would only give this; typical haggling much like you'd see in Bali. Give me your best price, your last price, not your special morning price.

[scooter600x]

Of course the more mature talls up for trade the less the value for all of them, because there is more bargaining power. Not a problem because Freo are happy to keep him. But in reality I don't think there will be many.

There does seem to be plenty of interest in Polak on this thread, mostly saying we want him, but would only give this; typical haggling much like you'd see in Bali. Give me your best price, your last price, not your special morning price.
He doesn't appear happy to keep Fremantle.

[Doggy]

He doesn't appear happy to keep Fremantle.

Maybe it's because they found out they couldn't have Ray:)

[FIGJAM]

Good argument:

Can mark - good quality
Cant kick - Bad Quality
Off field issues - Bad Quality - from what I hear, an extremely bad quality.

= Pick from 30 - 40.
Can play key position - good quality.

Pick 20 - 30.

I'd consider the Pies taking a punt with Pick 28. The reason I rule him out of 10 - 20 is his off field problems. If he was more grounded mentally, I reckon he may be worth a 15 - 20 in this strong draft.

I reckon he has the physical attributes to become an A-Grade defender. Too many question marks though to over-spend.

Note how all Freo supporters start off the arguement sighting that he is surpluss. It's because of other reasons they're looking to off load. Don't spend to much!