View Full Version : Does Kenny come in ?????
Mad Dog
18 Sep 2006, 15:14
There's been a lot of discussion about the possibility of Bird this weekend.
Also my senses tell me there is a lot of dissatisfaction with Perrie's form.
Should Ken come in and replace Pez ?
...or does Ken come in as well as Pez ?
West Coast have a number of in form talls.......do we need that extra tall or is our current mix ok...?
discuss.
Wilburwild
18 Sep 2006, 15:30
Its tough, real tough. Perrie and Kenny have different styles of play, and having both could be great, especially up forward, but having both will force out a smaller player and we need the run, especially this week. and i just cant see how you can take perrie out, so as much as it pains me to say, kenny misses.
crows98
18 Sep 2006, 15:31
There's been a lot of discussion about the possibility of Bird this weekend.
Also my senses tell me there is a lot of dissatisfaction with Perrie's form.
Should Ken come in and replace Pez ?
...or does Ken come in as well as Pez ?
West Coast have a number of in form talls.......do we need that extra tall or is our current mix ok...?
discuss.
Can we play them both?
I doubt Mark Ricciuto or Andrew McLeod will not come up this week (even with a wonder drug) but I expect Brett Burton to get named so a forward line of
FF: Welsh, McGregor Bode
HF: Burton Perrie Porplyzia
Bock can move back to cover Hanson, Stevens can take Hunter and Rutten can take Lynch leaving Bassett to cover Waters
Back 6
HB: Doughty Bock Johncock
FB: Bassett Rutten Stevens
In: Burton Macgregor
Out: Douglas (either Massie or Torney*)
* depending non team needs
We could do with the extra height against WC.
Postman Pat
18 Sep 2006, 15:35
no. if you want to lose this weekend, guaranteed, bring kenny in.
kenny is not the right player to take on the weagles game plan. ian perrie hasnt been bad, he provides a wealth of scoring shots/oppurtunties for porplyzia/bode to crumb.
Mad Dog
18 Sep 2006, 15:43
We could do with the extra height against WC.
I favour not bringing Ken in this week......but I have a nagging thought that an extra tall might be handy.....:confused:
I'm starting to think that if Burton comes up - Ken will miss given that Burton plays tall in our fwd line - and it releases Bock to defense if required to cover their talls.
But if Bird doesn't come up - they might favour bringing in Ken as an additional tall.
Either way - I think Pez retains his spot.
Glenno23
18 Sep 2006, 18:41
I favour not bringing Ken in this week......but I have a nagging thought that an extra tall might be handy.....:confused:
I'm starting to think that if Burton comes up - Ken will miss given that Burton plays tall in our fwd line - and it releases Bock to defense if required to cover their talls.
But if Bird doesn't come up - they might favour bringing in Ken as an additional tall.
Either way - I think Pez retains his spot.
I have a gut feel that the only in this week will be Burton... out: Douglas...
I liked Crows 98 match ups too :thumbsu:
RoosterLad
18 Sep 2006, 18:43
Theres no way Perrie will be dropped.
AJ_No.4
18 Sep 2006, 18:50
If Burton comes in, I can not see Kenny coming back in
cro_Magnum
18 Sep 2006, 19:09
All year Craig has emphasised how important the off the ball work is. Against WC we need to put pressure on the ball carrier. Ken just can't do this, he either takes a mark or is out of the contest. Perrie at least works harder and is less one-dimensional nowadays.
If we play both we're down a mid-size runner and we'll need all the run we can get, especially if it's hot. No decision really.
GoCROWS!
18 Sep 2006, 19:10
There's been a lot of discussion about the possibility of Bird this weekend.
Also my senses tell me there is a lot of dissatisfaction with Perrie's form.
Should Ken come in and replace Pez ?
...or does Ken come in as well as Pez ?
West Coast have a number of in form talls.......do we need that extra tall or is our current mix ok...?
discuss.
I remember being heckled for suggesting Burton in Perrie out, yet Kenny in Perrie out seems ok? I voted Kenny Out.
jenny61_99
18 Sep 2006, 19:53
Personally, I thought Perrie did well last week in pretty horrid conditions for a tall. He COULD have had 5 goals... and in perfect conditions, odds are he would have had at least 3. He presents well and always provides a contest. I'd rather not see him go anywhere.
McGregor, prior to him being dropped, was in VERY poor form. What makes you think he's going to be any better?
My main concern is if both Burton AND McLeod are available (as is looking increasingly more likely) who is the other we drop (Douglas is a given)?
KUNG FU
18 Sep 2006, 20:37
No chance. He isn't a game winner. He's a utility. If he does, I'd prefer him in the backlines with Bock staying forward.
I hope someone bookmarks this post and waves it in my face after Kenny boots 3 in the final quarter though.
Kane McGoodwin
18 Sep 2006, 21:07
I say no.
We don't eed another tall IMO & the talls in the side are in better form than Kenny was prior to his injury (still reckon he was carrying OP).
Backs
Rutten v Lynch
Stevens v Hansen
Bassett v Hunter/resting ruckman/etc
Bock & Perrie are competing better in the Crows forward line - ie. keeping the pressre on the backs, rather than falling over frequently as Kenny was doing.
Playing another tall would rob us of another midfielder, when we need all he midfield rotations we can get against the Weagles as they are a hard running unit.
All year Craig has emphasised how important the off the ball work is. Against WC we need to put pressure on the ball carrier. Ken just can't do this, he either takes a mark or is out of the contest. Perrie at least works harder and is less one-dimensional nowadays.
If we play both we're down a mid-size runner and we'll need all the run we can get, especially if it's hot. No decision really.
Kenny works very very hard off the ball, often even when he is having a bad game you will see him provide a bump on an opposition player so that another forward can get a clean run at the ball.
Speaking of players who either take a mark or are out of the contest how about Scott Welsh, at least Kenny chases and tackles when he doesnt have the ball.
Perrie does work hard but a forward must kick goals, we cannot afford to miss easy shots this week.
No chance. He isn't a game winner. He's a utility. If he does, I'd prefer him in the backlines with Bock staying forward.
I hope someone bookmarks this post and waves it in my face after Kenny boots 3 in the final quarter though.
Duly noted ;) The K-train will come good!
Stiffy_18
19 Sep 2006, 09:41
Kenny works very very hard off the ball, often even when he is having a bad game you will see him provide a bump on an opposition player so that another forward can get a clean run at the ball.
Speaking of players who either take a mark or are out of the contest how about Scott Welsh, at least Kenny chases and tackles when he doesnt have the ball.
Perrie does work hard but a forward must kick goals, we cannot afford to miss easy shots this week.
You CANNOT be questioning Welshy's defensive pressure. Other than Bode, he is the best we have in the side. His defensive pressure when he doesn't have the ball is sensational
cro_Magnum
19 Sep 2006, 12:03
Kenny works very very hard off the ball, often even when he is having a bad game you will see him provide a bump on an opposition player so that another forward can get a clean run at the ball.
Speaking of players who either take a mark or are out of the contest how about Scott Welsh, at least Kenny chases and tackles when he doesnt have the ball.
Perrie does work hard but a forward must kick goals, we cannot afford to miss easy shots this week.
He might chase (if he hasn't fallen over) but he's too slow to get there on most occasions. I agree he does a lot of blocking to allow other forwards to lead, but Perrie does this pretty well too. As for Welsh not chasing and tackling, that used to be the case years ago but i think he's improved no end in this area.
crazy_big_al
19 Sep 2006, 13:14
very interesting
crows98
19 Sep 2006, 13:20
very interesting
Insightful :eek:
Boundryump
19 Sep 2006, 13:34
Personally, I thought Perrie did well last week in pretty horrid conditions for a tall. He COULD have had 5 goals... and in perfect conditions, odds are he would have had at least 3. He presents well and always provides a contest. I'd rather not see him go anywhere.
McGregor, prior to him being dropped, was in VERY poor form. What makes you think he's going to be any better?
My main concern is if both Burton AND McLeod are available (as is looking increasingly more likely) who is the other we drop (Douglas is a given)?
Maybe the side should be chosen to suit whatever the weather conditions will be
crows98
19 Sep 2006, 13:41
Maybe the side should be chosen to suit whatever the weather conditions will be
Adelaide Forecast (http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDS10034.shtml) (use link for updates)
Issued at 10:20 am CST on Tuesday 19 September 2006
Thursday Fine. Partly cloudy. Min 9 Max 21
Friday A Few Showers Min 14 Max 20
Saturday Shower or two. Min 8 Max 18
Sunday Showers. Min 8 Max 17
Monday Showers easing. Min 8 Max 18
Truck Rutten
19 Sep 2006, 13:47
I think our line up is well tall enough already, and the only changes likely will be mid sized / smaller players for the same, assuming Bird and possibly Macca come up.
A few people have mentioned potential match ups in our defence for Hunter. Have a look at their line up from last week, unless they bring in another key position defender, you would imagine he'll have to play back predominantly. I'm not sure if they've got anybody else available. Hopefully they bring that muppet Gaspar back in. No doubt he's injured though.
crows98
19 Sep 2006, 13:56
If Wirrpunda doesn’t play would playing Andrew McLeod in the forward pocket be an ace up out sleave we could use that they may not be expecting?
The back 6 (Rutten, Stevens, Bassett, Torney, Van Berlo and Johncock) is pretty much set in stone and functioning extremely well, I cannot see how Andrew Mcleod would change the dynamics of the defensive unit for the past 2 or 3 weeks enough to win us the game. I understand Andrew importance to the half back line but at structure is working and we could do with his brilliance in other areas.
The trouble we have had in the last few weeks was midfield and kicking a winning score, playing Andrew McLeod on the half forward flank or forward pocket would give the WCE a major headache especially if birdman plays as well.
Especially if he can kick 2 or 3 and set up a few for Perrie, Welsh and Bock
KUNG FU
19 Sep 2006, 14:11
If Wirrpunda doesn’t play would playing Andrew McLeod in the forward pocket be an ace up out sleave we could use that they may not be expecting?
The back 6 (Rutten, Stevens, Bassett, Torney, Van Berlo and Johncock) is pretty much set in stone and functioning extremely well, I cannot see how Andrew Mcleod would change the dynamics of the defensive unit for the past 2 or 3 weeks enough to win us the game. I understand Andrew importance to the half back line but at structure is working and we could do with his brilliance in other areas.
The trouble we have had in the last few weeks was midfield and kicking a winning score, playing Andrew McLeod on the half forward flank or forward pocket would give the WCE a major headache especially if birdman plays as well.
Especially if he can kick 2 or 3 and set up a few for Perrie, Welsh and Bock
:thumbsu: :thumbsu:
With Biglands floating through and kicking 2.
Carl Spackler
19 Sep 2006, 14:28
I remember being heckled for suggesting Burton in Perrie out, yet Kenny in Perrie out seems ok? I voted Kenny Out.
That's because Perrie/McGregor hold down a key forward post while Burton fills more of a running, roaming role with occassional stints out of the goal square.
Perrie out Burton in would have changed our structure.
Kenny has to be a better option than Perrie (dont get me wrong I dont mind Sarge at all in fact I admire how hard he works) but McGregor is at least as good a mark (arguably better) and a much better kick at goals. Dont forget Ken has carried our forward line on many occasions and stood up in finals before. If you could have 23 players in the team I would like to see Perrie in aswell but unfortunately the rules state 22 and you've all heard the discussions about structure before:p .
As for Welsh well thats just my opinion.
Anyway, GO YOU CROWS!!! :thumbsu: :thumbsu: :thumbsu:
Wayne's-World
19 Sep 2006, 20:41
You CANNOT be questioning Welshy's defensive pressure. Other than Bode, he is the best we have in the side. His defensive pressure when he doesn't have the ball is sensational
Yes it is but the outcomes are very mixed.......has TOO many high tackles incurring free kicks
Carl Spackler
19 Sep 2006, 20:51
Kenny has to be a better option than Perrie (dont get me wrong I dont mind Sarge at all in fact I admire how hard he works) but McGregor is at least as good a mark (arguably better) and a much better kick at goals.
Might be a better mark and a better kick at goal but that doesn't mean he is a better option ;)
Crystal ball time:
McGregor - 4 marks from 8 contests
Perrie - 7 marks from 20 contests
McGregor - 1.0 from set shots
Perrie - 2.4 from set shots
Better mark and a better kick but on latter season form Kenny just doesn't do them often enough.
Kane McGoodwin
19 Sep 2006, 20:57
If Kenny was 100% fit, he would be picked. However, IMO he has not been fit for most of this year wit OP & we currently have better options. Notice how the pressure applied by forwards has gone up a notch the last 2 weeks ... because we haven't had Kenny regularly falling over (which is a sign he is not fit!)
Wayne's-World
19 Sep 2006, 21:02
If Kenny was 100% fit, he would be picked. However, IMO he has not been fit for most of this year wit OP & we currently have better options. Notice how the pressure applied by forwards has gone up a notch the last 2 weeks ... because we haven't had Kenny regularly falling over (which is a sign he is not fit!)
Cmon Kane, this excuse has been used for this AND last season.......he's had how many games off and how many lead up games to this week?????
Lets just face facts that he's a good/average player that looks good in a strong/winning side.
As I said when other KPP options became available he would be in trouble....if not this year then next year.
Maybe Hentschell going down will be good for Kenny.
Kane McGoodwin
19 Sep 2006, 21:37
Cmon Kane, this excuse has been used for this AND last season.......he's had how many games off and how many lead up games to this week?????
Lets just face facts that he's a good/average player that looks good in a strong/winning side.
As I said when other KPP options became available he would be in trouble....if not this year then next year.
Maybe Hentschell going down will be good for Kenny.
We will continue to disagree on Kenny.
Ron Fuller, Roy Laird, Rob Pyman and Darren Jarman (you read the correctly, AJ a no show) attended a press conference today to promote this week's SANFL finals.
Ron Fuller said that he would play Kenny in the Eagles reserves team this week. I didnt hear all of the story, but I think he said that since they cant play Kenny in the GF, there is no point playing him in the Seniors this week.
macca23
19 Sep 2006, 22:12
Cmon Kane, this excuse has been used for this AND last season.......he's had how many games off and how many lead up games to this week?????
Lets just face facts that he's a good/average player that looks good in a strong/winning side.
As I said when other KPP options became available he would be in trouble....if not this year then next year.
Maybe Hentschell going down will be good for Kenny.
Yep, just your average scrubber who's played 136 AFL games at age 25, who manged to kick 9 goals in our 3 finals games last year after being our regular CHB before that year. :rolleyes:
Played every game this year until he did his hammy in Round 19.
But clairvoyant WW knew!! :rolleyes:
Do you ever let up with your bias???
*Yawn*
Wayne's-World
19 Sep 2006, 23:56
Yep, just your average scrubber who's played 136 AFL games at age 25, who manged to kick 9 goals in our 3 finals games last year after being our regular CHB before that year. :rolleyes:
Played every game this year until he did his hammy in Round 19.
But clairvoyant WW knew!! :rolleyes:
Do you ever let up with your bias???
*Yawn*
Your claims of "bias" is solely based on the fact my opinion differs from yours.
If he is as important as you continue to assert then please explain why he's nor rushed back into the side ......gee maybe because he's not as important to the side now that other KPP are available......even the much maligned Stevens is getting ahead of him.
I'm not biased against Kenny but as I had a similar disposition to Fraser from Collingwood.....it's about hype and supporters putting particular players on pedestals that are un-warranted by their performances.
Wow he's played 19 games this year so he must be good ...now that's a solid argument!
Crow-mo
20 Sep 2006, 00:53
Your claims of "bias" is solely based on the fact my opinion differs from yours.
If he is as important as you continue to assert then please explain why he's nor rushed back into the side ......gee maybe because he's not as important to the side now that other KPP are available......even the much maligned Stevens is getting ahead of him.
I'm not biased against Kenny but as I had a similar disposition to Fraser from Collingwood.....it's about hype and supporters putting particular players on pedestals that are un-warranted by their performances.
Wow he's played 19 games this year so he must be good ...now that's a solid argument!
the claims of bias are fuelled by your past track record of blind spots on certain players.
jess-jess
20 Sep 2006, 03:20
A few people have mentioned potential match ups in our defence for Hunter. Have a look at their line up from last week, unless they bring in another key position defender, you would imagine he'll have to play back predominantly. I'm not sure if they've got anybody else available. Hopefully they bring that muppet Gaspar back in. No doubt he's injured though.
Graham is a pretty good chance to return for us if we bring another tall in.
Didn't play last week due to the Dogs lack of talls. It was purely a match up call as he's been in good form. (was the first game he missed all season.)
Didn't play for South Freo in the WAFL on Sunday as otherwise he would have had a short week to prepare if he is picked to play the Crows. If we go taller he'll play, if we go smaller Rosa will.