We can only afford one change this week so who?

[relapse]

Burton, Roo or Macca. At this present stage I would take Burton, Roo is massively underdone and Macca also seems to be.

If we make more than one change it would unbalance the side

out Douglas
in Burton

I think if we get over the line in the prelim we might be able to afford to bring in one more person.

[ICanDressMyself]

Why can we only afford to make one change this week? I'd love to get Roo, Macca and Burton all back.

However, Roo wont be playing and Macca might need another week off so it'll probably be Burton in Douglas out. Although I do think we need Kenny back in the side.

[Crows_Chick]

Burton and Macca both back, Roo give him another week... Can we really afford to go into this game without these guys IF they are proven fully fit ?? Even if they are used only sparingly off the bench in a rotation system, they wouldbe essentially fulfilling the role that the likes of Douglas and Massie are now... Is there anything to lose in that case by playing them both ??

Macca for one is a proven BIG game player, one way or the other the selectors will be heroes or villains based on their decisions and the result of the game !! Will be a big night for them !

[relapse]

Why can we only afford to make one change this week? I'd love to get Roo, Macca and Burton all back.

However, Roo wont be playing and Macca might need another week off so it'll probably be Burton in Douglas out. Although I do think we need Kenny back in the side.

Hypothetically if we brough back in three underdone players in a final would be suicide.

We have the ability to be able to bring in Burton this week and either Roo or Macca for the GF if we win, maybe both, but we have to be wary of picking just by name.

[Glenno23]

Burton and Macca both back, Roo give him another week... Can we really afford to go into this game without these guys IF they are proven fully fit ?? Even if they are used only sparingly off the bench in a rotation system, they wouldbe essentially fulfilling the role that the likes of Douglas and Massie are now... Is there anything to lose in that case by playing them both ??

Macca for one is a proven BIG game player, one way or the other the selectors will be heroes or villains based on their decisions and the result of the game !! Will be a big night for them !

If we go in with all 3 we WILL LOSE....

1 is more than enough..... you can't have to many players in a prelim that haven't played in the last few weeks.... you need to be able to run all day, Roo, Macca and burton won't be able to do this. That's nearly a whole benches worth!!!!

1 player only, and it has to be Burton.....

edit: there is a difference between match fit and "fully fit"

[KUNG FU]

Burton seems an almost undoubted chance to play.

I'd wheel Macca out on a his death bed for a final. The guy can win games like no one else on our list. Even just having that extra experience will make such a difference to the team. Even if he only plays a half, he'll play as much as Douglas would.

Changing 4 players certainly did not hurt the Eagles last weekend. No reason why 2 players will hurt us this week.

[Crowsno1]

Burton, Roo or Macca. At this present stage I would take Burton, Roo is massively underdone and Macca also seems to be.

If we make more than one change it would unbalance the side

out Douglas
in Burton

I think if we get over the line in the prelim we might be able to afford to bring in one more person.

If Macca and Birdman are fit and firing and the selection committee deems them so, how can you honestly leave them out? Their fitness was never in question, it was just a matter of their respective injuries being overcome before they could be available for selection. Both are major match winners and could prove the difference in the outcome of the game.

[Crows_Chick]

If we go in with all 3 we WILL LOSE....

1 is more than enough..... you can't have to many players in a prelim that haven't played in the last few weeks.... you need to be able to run all day, Roo, Macca and burton won't be able to do this. That's nearly a whole benches worth!!!!

1 player only, and it has to be Burton.....

Didn't advocate all 3 to come in... said 2 changes Burton and Macca in... Give Roo another week to get himself up and going !!

[Glenno23]

Didn't advocate all 3 to come in... said 2 changes Burton and Macca in... Give Roo another week to get himself up and going !!

Oh, ok,

2, MAYBE, i admit Macca is a legend who could win us the game, and it might be risky, but as you said, who is the other to go with Dougie?

[macca23]

Burton and Macca both back, Roo give him another week... Can we really afford to go into this game without these guys IF they are proven fully fit ?? Even if they are used only sparingly off the bench in a rotation system, they wouldbe essentially fulfilling the role that the likes of Douglas and Massie are now... Is there anything to lose in that case by playing them both ??

Macca for one is a proven BIG game player, one way or the other the selectors will be heroes or villains based on their decisions and the result of the game !! Will be a big night for them !

I'm tipping the same as you. Burton a certainty and Macca a big chance. Roo no chance.

[Crowsno1]

If we go in with all 3 we WILL LOSE....

1 is more than enough..... you can't have to many players in a prelim that haven't played in the last few weeks.... you need to be able to run all day, Roo, Macca and burton won't be able to do this. That's nearly a whole benches worth!!!!

1 player only, and it has to be Burton.....

Craigy would not bring in underdone players and for my money, Burton and Macca will be able to run all day. It's not like Birdman and Macca are coming back from major knee surgery and are only just starting to regain fitness. Birdman is a fitness freak who will run the feet of any WCE opponent he is tagged by and Macca will hopefully be refreshed from having his feet up for the last few weeks. Roo is another story all together. Bottom line is that our run will be greatly enhanced by the inclusion of Macca and Birdman. I for one can't wait to see them tear it up against Wet Toast.

[Gets!]

Burton 100% to play.

Macca 85% to play.

Roo 12.4% to play.

These are all 100% based on my research, of which I am still yet to undertake.

[absolutezero]

I agree:

Burton & Macca in for Douglas and Massie.

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm tipping the same as you. Burton a certainty and Macca a big chance. Roo no chance.
Same for me too.

[crowsarethebest]

Roo is not ruling himself out but is unlikely to play... Burton and Macca are pretty much avaiable... The question is.. IF Roo is avaiable next week... would drop someone for him? I know he's a champion but it would be very harsh on the person dropped expecially if everyone fires this week.

[King Elvis]

I agree:

Burton & Macca in for Douglas and Massie.

That'd be my decision as well.

Feel sorry for whoever has to tell the guys they're omitted :(

[Mad Dog]

Burton for Douglas looks like the obvious one.

Bad luck for "The Black"........but someone must give way.

Macca looked ok on the news but not super impressive from what I saw. He always seems to hold a bit in reserve though.

[Mad Dog]

If we go in with all 3 we WILL LOSE....

1 is more than enough..... you can't have to many players in a prelim that haven't played in the last few weeks.... you need to be able to run all day, Roo, Macca and burton won't be able to do this. That's nearly a whole benches worth!!!!

1 player only, and it has to be Burton.....

edit: there is a difference between match fit and "fully fit"
I agree with this.

Saturday's game won't be a strategic slogfest....it will be a relentless battering of 2 midfields against each other where both defenses will be under enormous pressure. We need every single player fit, fast, and firing with no room to carry players.

Ironically - if we get through - against a side like Sydney it's more a battle of tactics where more experienced heads would be prefered - and to an extent pace could be traded for guile.

We need to get it right this week.

[Mad Dog]

Burton seems an almost undoubted chance to play.

I'd wheel Macca out on a his death bed for a final. The guy can win games like no one else on our list. Even just having that extra experience will make such a difference to the team. Even if he only plays a half, he'll play as much as Douglas would.

Changing 4 players certainly did not hurt the Eagles last weekend. No reason why 2 players will hurt us this week.
Those players were out for a lot less time though

[SpringChoke]

IN:Burton and Macca
OUT: Douglas and Massie.

[Wilburwild]

IN:Burton and Macca
OUT: Douglas and Massie.

i think this is what will happen. and its pretty unlucky for both the guys who will go out, but thats finals footy. and to say Macca wont run out the game is a load of ****! he is the player you want in your finals team (2 norm smiths prove that) and he will rise another level in a final. and as for the birdman, well he's just a supremely fit player and will be raring to go (not to mention unpredictable, and almost impossible to match up on!)

[Boundryump]

personally i think Ken Mcgregor should come in before Burton and Mcleod,you must remember the Eagles have got some big players who need to be matched up forget the mid field we'll get thumped there but we need someone to control their forwards.Strange how Kenny is a forgotten player i bet you he plays.

[Vader]

Many of our problems during the slump were caused by bringing back players who were badly underdone (Welsh, Perrie, Hart). Given the outstanding performance of our backboners and youngsters in their past two outings, I'm inclined to make the changes as minimal as possible.

Statements that Burton is less "underdone" than Roo or Macca are dodgy at best. Burton hasn't played since R18 - six weeks ago. He is probably more advanced in demonstrating his fitness, but that's not the same as match fitness.

My suggestion is ONE change for the PF, and ONE change for the GF - if we get there.

So, for the PF:
IN: Burton
OUT: Douglas

IF we make it to the GF, then Macca comes in for Massie. However, odds are that we won't escape the PF unscathed, in which case the "out" will be decided for us.

[Jars458]

As much as I would love to see Macca play I am thinking we may need Massie for a defensive midfield role. So Burton for Douglas is a risk worth taking but perhaps we shouldn’t make two changes. Then if we make the GF, we will have serious issues in Grand Final week with Roo and McLeod also available. Its good to have these problems.

[afc9798]

As much as I would love to see Macca play I am thinking we may need Massie for a defensive midfield role. So Burton for Douglas is a risk worth taking but perhaps we shouldn’t make two changes. Then if we make the GF, we will have serious issues in Grand Final week with Roo and McLeod also available. Its good to have these problems.

I think if Macca is 90% OK, then he will replace Massie and rightly so. It's hard on Massie, but that's unfortunately what happens in finals. The only other option would be to drop Torney and I would be spewing if that happened. He is a far better option than Massie or Hart (if he was fit) for that matter. Burton is as close to a certainty as you can get and rightly so, as he is a genuine matchwinner and always seems to perform well against the eagles. We need a wildcard and Burton is the man for that job.

So what do we gain and what do we lose:
Massie: Solid, dependable, but slow defender, definitely not a matchwinner.
McLeod: Proven matchwinner, big game player, but at 90% of his powers.
Douglas: Great kid, tough and fearless, but limited experience.
Burton: Proven performer, pace, goalkicker and versatile.

No brainer really, on the proviso that Macca and Burton prove their fitness. I hate the fact that guys have to be dropped, but that's the nature of the beast unfortunately. Personal sacrifice for club glory.

[AJ_No.4]

As much as I would love to see Macca play I am thinking we may need Massie for a defensive midfield role. So Burton for Douglas is a risk worth taking but perhaps we shouldn’t make two changes. Then if we make the GF, we will have serious issues in Grand Final week with Roo and McLeod also available. Its good to have these problems.

If McLeod comes in for Massie, it'll free up Mattner/ Doughty to go into the midfield or back to the wing. I personally think it will all come down to structure on how many changes we make. Burton is an absoulte certainty to come back in and by watching the news last night, Macca was being put through his paces by Schwerdty, so I would think he is another certainty.

At the end of the day, if we make changes or don't make changes, whoever is dropped or not brought back in very very unlucky. 4 days to go :thumbsu:

[AndrewJo]

personally i think Ken Mcgregor should come in before Burton and Mcleod,you must remember the Eagles have got some big players who need to be matched up forget the mid field we'll get thumped there but we need someone to control their forwards.Strange how Kenny is a forgotten player i bet you he plays.Kenny has been a good servant for the footy club. Rumour doing the traps that he has played his last game for Adelaide because of one mistake. I would hope that the coaching panel accept that he has served his penance and pick him if his form and fitness deserve it.

[afc9798]

Kenny has been a good servant for the footy club. Rumour doing the traps that he has played his last game for Adelaide because of one mistake. I would hope that the coaching panel accept that he has served his penance and pick him if his form and fitness deserve it.

Can you elaborate? On field or off field mistake? Or is Kenny simply a victim of structure and the form of those who are currently in the team....:confused:

[DJ75]

There is one pretty obvious change.. Burton for Douglas.
The other change is more debatable. I'd swap McLeod in and Massie out. I don't think this will happen however as they seem to like to use Massie as an extra tagger if required (which normally is against WC). Unfortunately, I just don't think Massie is a good tagger! So the question is who will be dropped? If not Massie then who?
IMO Macca must play and should be used in bursts in the forward lines (he could be the trump card that breaks the game open) rather than slotting back into defence.
I worry that we will opt for McLeod straight back into defence and drop Torney, which I think would be a BIG mistake (although would be great for South :D )
I would make the two changes:
IN: Burton, McLeod
OUT: Douglas, Massie

[Gets!]

NO way Torney should be dropped.

[Mad Dog]

NO way Torney should be dropped.
Agreed...:thumbsu:

[beck*]

NO way Torney should be dropped.
Agreed! His run out of defence was damn good last game, and we need that without Hart playing and McLeod not quite 100%

Bring back Burton and McLeod if he's fit.
Drop Douglas, and... erm... Pull straws!?

[Truck Rutten]

Burton seems an almost undoubted chance to play.

I'd wheel Macca out on a his death bed for a final. The guy can win games like no one else on our list. Even just having that extra experience will make such a difference to the team. Even if he only plays a half, he'll play as much as Douglas would.

Changing 4 players certainly did not hurt the Eagles last weekend. No reason why 2 players will hurt us this week.

I'm with you. If Bird and Macca get through the required training this week, I'd bring them both in.

[AJ_No.4]

Kenny has been a good servant for the footy club. Rumour doing the traps that he has played his last game for Adelaide because of one mistake. I would hope that the coaching panel accept that he has served his penance and pick him if his form and fitness deserve it.

Well that would be a very stupid decision by the Club if they let him go, especially when we don't have NO Hentschel for next year!!! I would say it is a stupid rumour that is 100% Crap!!

[Carl Spackler]

McGregor's last game for the club this season maybe.

If Ricciuto, McLeod and Burton come in this week, who is the third player that will be dropped? Assuming that Massie and Douglas go. Torney, van Berlo, Porplyzia, Perrie, Stevens, Welsh, Shirley, Reilly...?

Tough call. You'd almost be hoping that someone twinges a hammie at training.

[Mad Dog]

McGregor's last game for the club this season maybe.

If Ricciuto, McLeod and Burton come in this week, who is the third player that will be dropped? Assuming that Massie and Douglas go. Torney, van Berlo, Porplyzia, Perrie, Stevens, Welsh, Shirley, Reilly...?

Tough call. You'd almost be hoping that someone twinges a hammie at training.
I think it would have to be Porps....:(

[crows98]

I think it would have to be Porps....:(


No way has MD, IMO it would be Van Berlo as Porplyzia had the ability to kick multiple goals.

Let’s be honest with our assessment of Van Berlo and his worth to the side on the weekend, he will have to tag Cousin, Kerr or Judd and would he make that much of a difference to how effective they are? I would like to see Shirley take one of the three and the other 2 match up with Edwards and Goodwin and go head to head.

Porplyzia can kick 3 or 4 goals across the half forward line and move into the midfield where he can win the ball from clearances and stoppages around the ground, a few goals in a preliminary final can make a huge difference.

I would go Porplyzia over Van Berlo.

[TheLeftFist8]

No way has MD, IMO it would be Van Berlo as Porplyzia had the ability to kick multiple goals.

Let’s be honest with our assessment of Van Berlo and his worth to the side on the weekend, he will have to tag Cousin, Kerr or Judd and would he make that much of a difference to how effective they are? I would like to see Shirley take one of the three and the other 2 match up with Edwards and Goodwin and go head to head.

Porplyzia can kick 3 or 4 goals across the half forward line and move into the midfield where he can win the ball from clearances and stoppages around the ground, a few goals in a preliminary final can make a huge difference.

I would go Porplyzia over Van Berlo.

Gotta agree. van Berlo should be dropped before Porplyzia at this stage, but only for the GF (leave Roo out this week even if he thinks he is ready). While i would be concerned with losing his run and replacing him with the less mobile 2006 version of Roo, the captain must come in for the GF, if he is fit (obviously). This wouldn't concern me as much against the style of play that Sydney usually produces (stoppages++, requiring more grunt in large packs rather than running++), though if Roo isn't 100% we may get caught short in the running department against Freo.

[turbo182]

Incredibly harsh on anyone who gets dropped at this stage.

Burton for Douglas is the obvious one, I think everyone sees it coming.

If macca comes in (which he always should in a final, cos hes arguably the most likely player to wina game by himself by breaking it open) then who to drop for him is virtually impossible to pick.

I really hope it's not Massie. I think he has earned his spot.

[Mad Dog]

No way has MD, IMO it would be Van Berlo as Porplyzia had the ability to kick multiple goals.

Let’s be honest with our assessment of Van Berlo and his worth to the side on the weekend, he will have to tag Cousin, Kerr or Judd and would he make that much of a difference to how effective they are? I would like to see Shirley take one of the three and the other 2 match up with Edwards and Goodwin and go head to head.

Porplyzia can kick 3 or 4 goals across the half forward line and move into the midfield where he can win the ball from clearances and stoppages around the ground, a few goals in a preliminary final can make a huge difference.

I would go Porplyzia over Van Berlo.
you have just pointed out why van Berlo will not be dropped this weekend....;)

[noddy]

Burton and Macca both back, Roo give him another week... Can we really afford to go into this game without these guys IF they are proven fully fit ?? Even if they are used only sparingly off the bench in a rotation system, they wouldbe essentially fulfilling the role that the likes of Douglas and Massie are now... Is there anything to lose in that case by playing them both ??

Macca for one is a proven BIG game player, one way or the other the selectors will be heroes or villains based on their decisions and the result of the game !! Will be a big night for them !

What the young lady says. :thumbsu:

You bring in the best if they are fit enough.

No second chance after this week.

Roo can sit in the coaches box for another week.:)

[crows98]

you have just pointed out why van Berlo will not be dropped this weekend....;)

But I believe we need Porplyzia on the half forward line and moving into a mid field rotation more than we need Van Berlo trying to tagging Judd, Kerr or Cousins.

Edwards on Judd
Shirley on Kerr
Goodwin on Cousins

Mattner, Reilly, Massie, Thompson can all play a tagging role in the past has van Berlo shown he can move onto the half forward line and kick multiple goals?

Thursday afternoon I would love to be a fly on the in the match committee meeting as it going to be a very tense and stressful meeting trying to determine who is in and who is out.

We cannot go to defensive as we will not kick a winning score. There is more upside to selecting Porplyzia than there is to selecting Van Berlo.

In: Birdman, McLeod

Out: Douglas, Van Berlo

[AdelUniCrowFan]

Douglas is the only definite out.

On current form, Massie would be the next to go.

Porplyzia and Torney are definites.

The next after Douglas and Massie to go could be Van Berlo.

Burton - Bring in for Douglas
McLeod - Bring in for Massie
Ricciuto - If fit, bring in for some unlucky player (depends on this weeks form).
Hart - Don't bring in, even if fit
McGregor - I wouldn't bring in, but could be swapped for Perrie.

[crows98]

Pretty easy, theres two changes- in macca and birdman, out douglas and that dud massie. Have to make sure the birdman 1000% is right but! Remember the saints Prelim, same situation hamstring strain/tear and he was shocking. Macca is a star so no problems there with him coming back off the half back. I should be coach really its that easy.

Ok Robert Shaw :D

[Mad Dog]

Pretty easy, theres two changes- in macca and birdman, out douglas and that dud massie. Have to make sure the birdman 1000% is right but! Remember the saints Prelim, same situation hamstring strain/tear and he was shocking. Macca is a star so no problems there with him coming back off the half back. I should be coach really its that easy.
Jack ?....:confused:

[crows98]

you a fan of his?
He played his part in the premierships of 1997 and 1998 so he isn’t all that bad.

[AndrewJo]

Incredibly harsh on anyone who gets dropped at this stage.

Burton for Douglas is the obvious one, I think everyone sees it coming.

If macca comes in (which he always should in a final, cos hes arguably the most likely player to wina game by himself by breaking it open) then who to drop for him is virtually impossible to pick.

I really hope it's not Massie. I think he has earned his spot.
After 20 games this year Kris Massie would be most unlucky to be dropped. I have a feeling that those with under 8 games this year could be most at risk. massie has shown durability and consistency.he would be a good man to have on the bench as he could cover a number of positions.

[Vader]

After 20 games this year Kris Massie would be most unlucky to be dropped. I have a feeling that those with under 8 games this year could be most at risk. massie has shown durability and consistency.he would be a good man to have on the bench as he could cover a number of positions.
Those to have played 8 games or less this year:
Nathan Bock (6)
Richard Douglas (3)
Ivan Maric (8)
Ian Perrie (7)
Hayden Skipworth (6)
Jason Torney (7)
Bernie Vince (4)
Scott Welsh (5)

Maric, Skippy and Vince aren't in the side anyway.

Pretty much everyone agrees that Douglas is first on the chopping block, presumably for Burton.

To be honest, I can't see any of the rest of them being demoted - at least, not in order to make way for Macca's return. Maybe if Roo comes back as well, but I can't see them making three changes given that none of the incoming players have played for well over a month.

[crows98]

agree besides, Cornes, Blight, Ayres* and Neil Craig, he's my favourite crows coach of all time.

Don’t forget Phil Smyth, Mark Williams, Greg Chappell, Wayne Phillips, Marg Angove, the Lawn bowls instructor down the road who is 86, my grade 6 cricket coach, and my year 4 footy coach then Robert Shaw as my favourite coach of all time.

[crows98]

Jack ?....:confused:

Maybe MD

have a look http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269454

Didnt take long. :eek:

[crows98]

crows98 dont you have other things to worry about?



Yes I do..:D ...LIKE A PRELIMINARY FINAL THIS WEEK (shouting on purpose) .




GO Crows. :thumbsu: :thumbsu:

[crows98]

i can feel the love already.

A Football match isnt the be all and end all btw. You dont want to be like port power supporters whose whole lives revolve around whether their team wins. Breeds a very bitter individual.


We all live vicariously though the football club and players don’t we? :p

Yeah, work call for the rest of the week and that will take my mind of the game (hopefully) :(

[Total Power]

Gone again? :D

[Mad Dog]

Maybe MD

have a look http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269454

Didnt take long. :eek:
thought I could smell a familiar scent.......:rolleyes:

[Wayne's-World]

Gee for someone who is "vital" to our structure and forward success Iam amazed he is not considered by many as a call-up option. :rolleyes:

[Stiffy_18]

Gee for someone who is "vital" to our structure and forward success Iam amazed he is not considered by many as a call-up option. :rolleyes:
Boo Hoo :rolleyes:

[Wayne's-World]

Boo Hoo :rolleyes:
Need to stop listening to the Adelaide media or Crows hype and watch the game to develop your own opinions .......and I don't see Macca23 fighting any cause for him now either :rolleyes:

[macca23]

Need to stop listening to the Adelaide media or Crows hype and watch the game to develop your own opinions .......and I don't see Macca23 fighting any cause for him now either :rolleyes:

Like a fly to sh it!! :rolleyes:

It's pointless talking to you about structure because you don't even remotely understand it and it's importance.

For the 2nd and last time. Original structure McGregor Hentschel Roo - all out injured.

Craig replaces them with an alternate structure that works in Welsh, Perrie and Bock. He's not going to replace or move to other positions a combination that works, which is what structure is all about.

So they all stay and Kenny misses out when he recovers. If that trio work again this week they'll be there next week, and he'll miss out again. If one plays a sh itter but we win McGregor will probably return.

Why do I bother?? :rolleyes:

[Wayne's-World]

Like a fly to sh it!! :rolleyes:

It's pointless talking to you about structure because you don't even remotely understand it and it's importance.

For the 2nd and last time. Original structure McGregor Hentschel Roo - all out injured.

Craig replaces them with an alternate structure that works in Welsh, Perrie and Bock. He's not going to replace or move to other positions a combination that works, which is what structure is all about.

So they all stay and Kenny misses out when he recovers. If that trio work again this week they'll be there next week, and he'll miss out again. If one plays a sh itter but we win McGregor will probably return.

Why do I bother?? :rolleyes:
So in essence...Mcgregors not required...which just reinforces my statement re his importance to the side.

You must stop argueing and supporting MY case.....your supposed to put an argument forward as to why he "must" be included in the side based how you continually boost him up.

But as usual you argue both sides of the case so your never wrong???