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Seems they might go down the same path as muppet:D
BELL: I'M READY TO GIVE AUSSIES HELL
EXCLUSIVE
By Gary Fitzgerald
ANDREW FLINTOFF'S men will fight fire with fire if the Aussies turn up the Ashes heat with plenty of sledging and intimidation this winter.
So says Warwickshire ace Ian Bell, who also claims he will prove to Ricky Ponting's men that he is no longer a soft touch.
Bell found life tough in his first Ashes campaign last year - but he bounced back in style with a mountain of runs and he is confident he and the rest of team can overcome whatever the Aussie fans and players throw at them.
Bell said: "We are going out there as underdogs despite the fact that we have the little urn. It's so long since an England side beat Australia in their own backyard and it would be a dream to put the record straight.
"If they take any of us for granted it would be a mistake. There would be no point going if we didn't believe we could retain the Ashes.
"As for their fans, we are fully aware of the intimidation factor they present. From day one they will be in our faces, just as their team will be when the first ball of the first Test is bowled.
"It will be an aggressive and very good series. We played aggressively against Pakistan and we need to keep doing that, while also staying in our game plan and not getting too carried away.
"We have just beaten a good Pakistan side with no Michael Vaughan, Andrew Flintoff, Ashley Giles or Simon Jones. To do that with so many big players missing has given everyone a lift.
"As for me, I'm a tougher, harder cricketer now. Last summer I was still questioning myself. I wasn't sure going into the first Test at Lord's whether I was good enough to play at that level.
"But this time I will be much more positive - I will be flying out there thinking about hitting hundreds."
Bell, who will be using his new Slazenger SXi Elite Pro bat to combat the threat of Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath and Brett Lee, is happy that Andrew Flintoff is back as captain.
He said: "Fred is so positive and leads from the front with bat and ball."
morgues
19 Sep 2006, 17:02
As if the Aussies will give a toss what comes out of that little fanta pants' mouth. I reckon he couldn't pull the skin off a custard, let alont verbally intimidate the Aussies. :rolleyes:
And this all means what exactly? They're going to come out here all big, tough nailp1ssing men.Haha, um;
Yawn :cool:
RoosterLad
19 Sep 2006, 17:24
Hahahah what a warning!!
Gee who released this info? There must be a mole or something... gee we will sledge the poms.
Bell will cop even more crap about this homosexual outburst, he is soft and useless, fatty bell will do a Smithy and fail to make 50 in the ashes.
Hahahah what a warning!!
Gee who released this info? There must be a mole or something... gee we will sledge the poms.
Bell will cop even more crap about this homosexual outburst, he is soft and useless, fatty bell will do a Smithy and fail to make 50 in the ashes.
Whereas most of your players will reach 50
50 years of age
Kim Chambers
19 Sep 2006, 18:20
Whereas most of your players will reach 50
50 years of ageThat has got to be the most horribly pathetic comeback that has ever graced this forum.Mods, life ban please.I know you limebags suck pretty badly at most things, you've just added smack to the list.
I'm amused that Bell says how good they were for beating the Pakistanis with several players missing but fails to mention that their whole pace attack was out until the last test when the poms were only saved by the combined belligerence of Hair and Inzi.
I'm amused that Bell says how good they were for beating the Pakistanis with several players missing but fails to mention that their whole pace attack was out until the last test when the poms were only saved by the combined belligerence of Hair and Inzi.
Gee come on Romeo, get your act together.Y'can't allow the truth to get in the way of a good yarn. :)
That has got to be the most horribly pathetic comeback that has ever graced this forum.Mods, life ban please.I know you limebags suck pretty badly at most things, you've just added smack to the list.
Difference is I can try and do better next time You on the other hand will always be Australian.
Power21
19 Sep 2006, 18:31
Nothing wrong with some banter, the Australians will be giving them hell wether we are in front or not so it's about time they give it back, although it won't achieve much.
RoosterLad
19 Sep 2006, 18:35
Whereas most of your players will reach 50
50 years of age
Wow that is amazing.
You are suggesting our players will age 15 or so years during the Ashes.
Awesome. Just awesome.
Difference is I can try and do better next timeYou are actually quite abysmal, I somehow doubt that.Well you can try of course. You on the other hand will always be Australian.
I can't speak for KC, but that may actually sting if it wasn't for the fact that you are just some pale little pathetic limey. :) Must be a tough life living in that boring country overidden with housing commission, ridiculous taxes and quite possibly the most ugliest vile looking women on the planet.
Wow that is amazing.
You are suggesting our players will age 15 or so years during the Ashes.
Awesome. Just awesome.
By the 3rd test they will feel like they are 50 especially Warne who will have to bowl 40 overs a day to cover for the rest of you past it or never good enough bowlers
You are actually quite abysmal, I somehow doubt that.Well you can try of course.
I can't speak for KC, but that may actually sting if it wasn't for the fact that you are just some pale little pathetic limey. :) Must be a tough life living in that boring country overidden with housing commission, ridiculous taxes and quite possibly the most ugliest vile looking women on the planet.
Whereas all you have is personnel insults and rehashed lines about England .But you also are Australian and conforming to your stereotype
embleygirl
19 Sep 2006, 19:24
Poms are funny little things.
Whereas all you have is personnel insults and rehashed lines about England .
Where are the personal insults? I was just stating facts. :confused:
eddiesmith
19 Sep 2006, 19:31
I'm amused that Bell says how good they were for beating the Pakistanis with several players missing but fails to mention that their whole pace attack was out until the last test when the poms were only saved by the combined belligerence of Hair and Inzi.
And where was our pace attack? What was that? Also on the sidelines? Yeah but dont let that get in the way of poor excuses
By the 3rd test they will feel like they are 50 especially Warne who will have to bowl 40 overs a day to cover for the rest of you past it or never good enough bowlers
Lol, I could write about three pages of a reply ripping your ass to threads with the irony of this post, but that would mean I'd actually have to keep conversing with you.And I'd rather not.Bye :)
Cooldude
19 Sep 2006, 19:49
By the 3rd test they will feel like they are 50 especially Warne who will have to bowl 40 overs a day to cover for the rest of you past it or never good enough bowlers
Let me rephrase that for ya:
By the 3rd test they will feel like they are 50 especially Freddie who will have to bowl 40 overs a day to cover for the rest of you past it or never good enough bowlers
Cassius_Clay
19 Sep 2006, 19:56
Seems they might go down the same path as muppet:D
BELL: I'M READY TO GIVE AUSSIES HELL
EXCLUSIVE
By Gary Fitzgerald
ANDREW FLINTOFF'S men will fight fire with fire if the Aussies turn up the Ashes heat with plenty of sledging and intimidation this winter.
So says Warwickshire ace Ian Bell, who also claims he will prove to Ricky Ponting's men that he is no longer a soft touch.
Bell found life tough in his first Ashes campaign last year - but he bounced back in style with a mountain of runs and he is confident he and the rest of team can overcome whatever the Aussie fans and players throw at them.
Bell said: "We are going out there as underdogs despite the fact that we have the little urn. It's so long since an England side beat Australia in their own backyard and it would be a dream to put the record straight.
"If they take any of us for granted it would be a mistake. There would be no point going if we didn't believe we could retain the Ashes.
"As for their fans, we are fully aware of the intimidation factor they present. From day one they will be in our faces, just as their team will be when the first ball of the first Test is bowled.
"It will be an aggressive and very good series. We played aggressively against Pakistan and we need to keep doing that, while also staying in our game plan and not getting too carried away.
"We have just beaten a good Pakistan side with no Michael Vaughan, Andrew Flintoff, Ashley Giles or Simon Jones. To do that with so many big players missing has given everyone a lift.
"As for me, I'm a tougher, harder cricketer now. Last summer I was still questioning myself. I wasn't sure going into the first Test at Lord's whether I was good enough to play at that level.
"But this time I will be much more positive - I will be flying out there thinking about hitting hundreds."
Bell, who will be using his new Slazenger SXi Elite Pro bat to combat the threat of Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath and Brett Lee, is happy that Andrew Flintoff is back as captain.
He said: "Fred is so positive and leads from the front with bat and ball."
****, its all over already. No way we can win now :rolleyes:
Haha would be funny watching Ian Bell trying to sledge. The little poof that he is.
TheColeTrain
19 Sep 2006, 20:11
Difference is I can try and do better next time You on the other hand will always be Australian.
funny thing is, you like 99% of you ******** poms would love England to be half as nice as Australia is:thumbsu:
funny thing is, you like 99% of you ******** poms would love England to be half as nice as Australia is:thumbsu:
I think you are correct most English people think Aus is a nice place .I dont think I have said anywhere on this thread or forum it isnt
.As usual though the Aus replies have shown the stereotype that most English people have of Australians that of your total insecurity and inferiority complex .As usual you have all had to resort to Aus is better than England .
This all started when I made a reply about your team being very old is that not correct are they not old
Let me rephrase that for ya:
By the 3rd test they will feel like they are 50 especially Freddie who will have to bowl 40 overs a day to cover for the rest of you past it or never good enough bowlers
Are they the bowlers who didnt do to badly last time :D
usalion
19 Sep 2006, 20:35
And where was our pace attack? What was that? Also on the sidelines? Yeah but dont let that get in the way of poor excuses
Mmmm...who exactly did England miss that will be in the Ashes?
Freddie- check
Harmisson- bowled in the match
Hoggard- bowled in the match
Mahmood- bowl;ed in the match
Can't count Simon Jones- hasn't been on the pitch for months and won't be back until next English summer, if then. I do hope the young man recovers, though.
Are you counting Plunkett, Tremlett, Anderson et al? Those guys have established themselves as Test bowlers about as well as Taity has....
So, you were missing Freddie- a loss, to be sure, but champion sides deal with missing one player, as the Aussies did in their period of ascendancy when Pige, Diz and Warnie all missed time with injuries and suspensions- in warne's case.
eddiesmith
19 Sep 2006, 20:38
Mmmm...who exactly did England miss that will be in the Ashes?
Freddie- check
Harmisson- bowled in the match
Hoggard- bowled in the match
Mahmood- bowl;ed in the match
Can't count Simon Jones- hasn't been on the pitch for months and won't be back until next English summer, if then. I do hope the young man recovers, though.
Are you counting Plunkett, Tremlett, Anderson et al? Those guys have established themselves as Test bowlers about as well as Taity has....
So, you were missing Freddie- a loss, to be sure, but champion sides deal with missing one player, as the Aussies did in their period of ascendancy when Pige, Diz and Warnie all missed time with injuries and suspensions- in warne's case.
Yep thats why Aussies blame Pidge missing 2 tests as the reason they lost the Ashes
JerryWexler
19 Sep 2006, 20:49
.As usual though the Aus replies have shown the stereotype that most English people have of Australians that of your total insecurity and inferiority complex .As usual you have all had to resort to Aus is better than England .Firstly, Is delusion a common thread throughout your family tree? Secondly, I don't know what Australians you have met, but I can assure you from an Australian point of view, you'd struggle to find one that actually gives a rats arse about England, what they think in general and in particular what they think about us.We just don't particularly like them, and like having the opportunity to show it hence the barrage over the last 18 years of test cricket.Get out of that tree you been living in.
This all started when I made a reply about your team being very old is that not correct are they not oldAnd as one poster remarked, you could be beaten to death being a limey and bringing up the "age" argument.And while a few of our players are past 30, I think you might find the fitness and endurance levels might be a little different to the poms who brought out the old fat and grey grandpa's in the 90's.Off you go. :cool:
Calcium Man
19 Sep 2006, 20:58
I think you are correct most English people think Aus is a nice place .I dont think I have said anywhere on this thread or forum it isnt
.As usual though the Aus replies have shown the stereotype that most English people have of Australians that of your total insecurity and inferiority complex .As usual you have all had to resort to Aus is better than England .
This all started when I made a reply about your team being very old is that not correct are they not old
Actually they had a go at you for your pathetic attempt at humor concerning the age of our cricket team. You then responded with
Difference is I can try and do better next time You on the other hand will always be Australian.
Now it appears to me that you are having a go at australians. So why should we not defend our country?? Especially since we have outstriped you completely on the sporting field for 100 years. Not to mention its a nicer place to live.
Truth is I actually like the poms, they are good fun for the most part. But there always those like yourself who seem to have an unfounded superiority complex. Now if you want a stereotype go off and start a soccer riot.
Firstly, Is delusion a common thread throughout your family tree? Secondly, I don't know what Australians you have met, but I can assure you from an Australian point of view, you'd struggle to find one that actually gives a rats arse about England, what they think in general and in particular what they think about us.We just don't particularly like them, and like having the opportunity to show it hence the barrage over the last 18 years of test cricket.Get out of that tree you been living in.
And as one poster remarked, you could be beaten to death being a limey and bringing up the "age" argument.And while a few of our players are past 30, I think you might find the fitness and endurance levels might be a little different to the poms who brought out the old fat and grey grandpa's in the 90's.Off you go. :cool:
Yes our players are older than perhaps in past Ashes series in Australia due to the financial rewards keeping players in the game longer, but England have the mortgage historically speaking on Dad's Army cricket teams. They flew Cowdrey out from his Kent fireside in 1974/75 at the age of 42 to combat Lillee and Thomson of all people. And they regularly had teams heavily made of guys pushing forty and were reluctant to blood young players. They have been rewarded by somewhat revising this policy. We are an older team but one suspects these old blokes have one last summer in them. The Saffies were a very young team and in the end their inexperience cost them.
And Eddiesmith you did miss Freddie but Jones is perennially injured and won't be coming out here. Hoggard and Harmison bowled for the bulk of the summer. Anderson is no shoo-in for the Ashes anyway and is not exactly proven. However Pakistan in the first 3 tests was without Shoaib, Asif and Rana. Funny how their presence, even with the first 2 radically underdone shifted the balance of power dramatically in the series pattern. Without Hair's intervention they probably would have won that test.
usalion
19 Sep 2006, 21:05
Yep thats why Aussies blame Pidge missing 2 tests as the reason they lost the Ashes
Note my comment early in the post- when Australia was in its ascendancy....
Australia of late 2004 to right now was by no means the dominant side they were in the late 90s and early 00s.
Lots of things contributed to the loss last year...
1. Good play by the Poms, especially Freddie and Simon
2. Poor form from the Aussie quicks once Mcgrath went down
3. Aussie batsmen playing shots they had no business playing
4. Rushing Mcgrath back too quickly- had they given him one more Test off and worked on his ankle, you might have seen a different Mcgrath.
By the way, ed- note what I put number 1.
Truth is I actually like the poms,Um, then I suggest you go and see someone about that like IMMEDIATELY!! But there always those like yourself who seem to have an unfounded superiority complex..
I've never found that.I've actually found them quite boring, bland people.Nothing to their personality one way or the other really.If there is a superiority complex, I must say I an flabbergasted as to why.Ever been there? :confused: :thumbsd:
Firstly, Is delusion a common thread throughout your family tree? Secondly, I don't know what Australians you have met, but I can assure you from an Australian point of view, you'd struggle to find one that actually gives a rats arse about England, what they think in general and in particular what they think about us.We just don't particularly like them, and like having the opportunity to show it hence the barrage over the last 18 years of test cricket.Get out of that tree you been living in.
And as one poster remarked, you could be beaten to death being a limey and bringing up the "age" argument.And while a few of our players are past 30, I think you might find the fitness and endurance levels might be a little different to the poms who brought out the old fat and grey grandpa's in the 90's.Off you go. :cool:
I can see you arent bothered :eek:
I may be wrong but I dont think any were 37
That has got to be the most horribly pathetic comeback that has ever graced this forum.Mods, life ban please.I know you limebags suck pretty badly at most things, you've just added smack to the list.
I think this is what started it .She could have said it was a crap joke why bring in the fact im English
I lived there for a couple of years late 90's and the thing that struck me was their lack of sense of humour, which surprised since British tv has produced some great comedy. And they found Aussies such as myself too blunt, yet I thought I thought I and fellow professionals' behaviour and comments were quite mild. Also thought their work ethic didn't match that of others from overseas such as NZ and South Africa whom I worked with. And they had that unerring habit of referring to us as 'colonials'. People talk about our inferiority complex (that's usually the reason given by them to explain our competitiveness especially against poms) that's nothing to their sneering sense of superiority. BTW I saw a lot of good looking pommie women while I was there so I don't think you can generalise about their sheilas being the ugliest on the planet.
I may be wrong but I dont think any were 37
Yes you would be.In fact you should have said 37 and over because making the cut off point 37 is leaving out Gooch, Gatting and Emburey. :)
She could have said it was a crap joke why bring in the fact im English
Because thats more offensive than the lame attempt at humour. :thumbsu:
Note my comment early in the post- when Australia was in its ascendancy....
Australia of late 2004 to right now was by no means the dominant side they were in the late 90s and early 00s.
Lots of things contributed to the loss last year...
1. Good play by the Poms, especially Freddie and Simon
2. Poor form from the Aussie quicks once Mcgrath went down
3. Aussie batsmen playing shots they had no business playing
4. Rushing Mcgrath back too quickly- had they given him one more Test off and worked on his ankle, you might have seen a different Mcgrath.
By the way, ed- note what I put number 1.
Did our batsmen not all score more runs than yours .Therefore it wasnt poor form from your quicks it was good batting
Did we catch better than you (a sign of ageing )
Why did they play those shots was it because they were put under pressure consistently and couldnt handle it anymore another sign of ageing .
And they had that unerring habit of referring to us as 'colonials'. People talk about our inferiority complex (that's usually the reason given by them to explain our competitiveness especially against poms) that's nothing to their sneering sense of superiority. Its because they can't get out of the 19th century.They still think that we're all descendants from them. BTW I saw a lot of good looking pommie women while I was there so I don't think you can generalise about their sheilas being the ugliest on the planet.You did? What England did you go to? :confused: I found them horrible.Very plain looking, pale and too whingey/bitchy.
Its because they can't get out of the 19th century.They still think that we're all descendants from them. You did? What England did you go to? :confused: I found them horrible.Very plain looking, pale and too whingey/bitchy.
Also most of them had never heard of Australia
Did our batsmen not all score more runs than yours .Therefore it wasnt poor form from your quicks it was good batting
Did we catch better than you (a sign of ageing )
Why did they play those shots was it because they were put under pressure consistently and couldnt handle it anymore another sign of ageing .
So if the limes get slammed in this up coming series whixh is a real possibility because the Aussies want blood, does that mean the poms lost through inexperience? Cos' I'll bet that'll be the excuse you and every other pom will use.
Also most of them had never heard of Australia
Most of who? This will be fun, who? :confused:
usalion
19 Sep 2006, 21:30
Did our batsmen not all score more runs than yours .Therefore it wasnt poor form from your quicks it was good batting
usalion reply
There was some good batting from the Poms, but no one player stood out consistently through the series.
linda
Did we catch better than you (a sign of ageing )
usalion reply
Uh, no. Need I remind you of Geraint "Iron Gloves" Jones and Butterfingers? Australia was not great, but I think they were better OVERALL in the field than England
linda
Why did they play those shots was it because they were put under pressure consistently and couldnt handle it anymore another sign of ageing .
Um, read my comment about the contributions of freddie and Simon, that topped my list.
Calcium Man
19 Sep 2006, 21:36
I've never found that.I've actually found them quite boring, bland people.Nothing to their personality one way or the other really.If there is a superiority complex, I must say I an flabbergasted as to why.Ever been there? :confused: :thumbsd:
Well there is the queen and her whole family!! they seem to have some sort of superiority complex! ;)
Well there is the queen and her whole family!! they seem to have some sort of superiority complex! ;)
The Queen? Isn't she dead yet? :confused:
Most of who? This will be fun, who? :confused:
British people
Cooldude
19 Sep 2006, 21:54
Are they the bowlers who didnt do to badly last time :D
They're the bowlers who ain't coming down this time 'round, Simon Jones for one
Um, read my comment about the contributions of freddie and Simon, that topped my list.
We all know about Jones being crap but unless Im wrong he outperformed the worlds once best wk/batsmen sadly do to ageing he isnt anymore.
Aus were poor in the field I cant believe you have forgotten already perhaps the memory is just to bad to recall I have had plenty of practice
I did read your post about Flintoff and Jones ,what I am saying is the other three kept as much pressure on so your batters had nowhere to go except out
They're the bowlers who ain't coming down this time 'round, Simon Jones for one
I keep hearing a team needs two spinners in Aus now
Cooldude
19 Sep 2006, 22:02
I keep hearing a team needs two spinners in Aus now
No they don't
The only improvement I've seen in your bowling department is Monty, but apart from that, Harmison's been horrible, Hoggard's been alright, Freddie's just coming back from injury. Jones is arguably your best bowler and he ain't here.
You better hope Freddie and Monty fires, coz Harmison with the new ball ain't gonna be pretty for the Poms unless he does a 180 degree turn around with his bowling
No they don't
The only improvement I've seen in your bowling department is Monty, but apart from that, Harmison's been horrible, Hoggard's been alright, Freddie's just coming back from injury. Jones is arguably your best bowler and he ain't here.
You better hope Freddie and Monty fires, coz Harmison with the new ball ain't gonna be pretty for the Poms unless he does a 180 degree turn around with his bowling
Harmison has been getting a lot of criticism because of his inconsitency.With his pace and bounce he should be the most feared bowler in the world .It has been said that a big part of Flintoff getting the captain job was for the reason of making Harmison the bowler he should be .I think your lot will see the difference .Flintoff is a worry because he keeps coming back saying he is fine and then a couple of months late breaks again but this is the big one he has done it once watch him go again .Jones isnt as good as those two ,also I dont think he will play again
Why is everyone saying we will need two spinners for at least three tests
Cooldude
19 Sep 2006, 22:11
Harmison's a glorified pie thrower who very very very very occasionally gets it right
Harmison's a glorified pie thrower who very very very very occasionally gets it right
ok if thats what you think but your wrong and dont be surprised when he consistently pins your old men
Cooldude
19 Sep 2006, 22:20
Someone who can be bothered, please throw up Harmison's stats when bowling with the new ball for the past year or so
Someone who can be bothered, please throw up Harmison's stats when bowling with the new ball for the past year or so
So you arent reading what I have posted about his past
Just remember to say sorry Linda you were right when he proves me correct
Cooldude
19 Sep 2006, 22:39
Nothing you said was even remotely relevant
Harmison's been **** with the new nut for ages, if the Poms wanna win the Ashes they need Freddie and Hoggard with the new nut
Tinkerbell might be flinging the barbs but Monty is seeing a shrink to cope with the pressure.:)
Panesar determined to beat taunts
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42104000/jpg/_42104184_monty203.jpg
Whatever happens from the crowd will happen
Monty Panesar
England spinner Monty Panesar is seeing a psychologist to steel himself for the abuse he is expected to receive from Australian fans during the Ashes.
England's left-arm spinner has had special sessions with team psychologist Steve Bull, and will try to use any insults as a spur to lift his game.
"I have spoken to Steve. He's one who can help with that sort of stuff," Panesar, 24, told The Sun.
"I'll try to use it as a positive energy. You expect the worst."
The Northamptonshire bowler, who gained cult status as one of the stars of the Test series win over Pakistan, is regarded as one of the poorest fielders ever seen on the international circuit.
If, as seems likely, he makes errors in the field, many observers feel Australian fans would be quick to mock him.
Panesar said: "I've prepared for the worst-case scenario but it could be even worse than that. "Whatever happens from the crowd will happen. "If you expect the worst and it's even worse than you imagined - well at least you are not going to be too surprised by it."
Browney2006
19 Sep 2006, 23:08
Firstly, Is delusion a common thread throughout your family tree? Secondly, I don't know what Australians you have met, but I can assure you from an Australian point of view, you'd struggle to find one that actually gives a rats arse about England, what they think in general and in particular what they think about us.We just don't particularly like them, and like having the opportunity to show it hence the barrage over the last 18 years of test cricket.Get out of that tree you been living in.
And as one poster remarked, you could be beaten to death being a limey and bringing up the "age" argument.And while a few of our players are past 30, I think you might find the fitness and endurance levels might be a little different to the poms who brought out the old fat and grey grandpa's in the 90's.Off you go. :cool:
A few? Try all.....
Nothing you said was even remotely relevant
Harmison's been **** with the new nut for ages, if the Poms wanna win the Ashes they need Freddie and Hoggard with the new nut
Of course not if it was it would mean you were paying attention and taking part in a disscussion instead of working to your agenda
William G. Gruff
19 Sep 2006, 23:14
:rolleyes:
this might actually have a reverse effect. a pathetic sledge, evoking laughter from an australian, will still break his concentration at the crease.
Cooldude
19 Sep 2006, 23:49
Of course not if it was it would mean you were paying attention and taking part in a disscussion instead of working to your agenda
I wonder who is the one with an agenda?
usalion
20 Sep 2006, 00:06
We all know about Jones being crap but unless Im wrong he outperformed the worlds once best wk/batsmen sadly do to ageing he isnt anymore.
Aus were poor in the field I cant believe you have forgotten already perhaps the memory is just to bad to recall I have had plenty of practice
I did read your post about Flintoff and Jones ,what I am saying is the other three kept as much pressure on so your batters had nowhere to go except out
I never said Australia were brilliant in the field- but overall, they WERE better than England, as most observers would agree (apart from Pratt, of course...GRIN)
As for your other bowlers, Hoggard went OK, but I don't remember Harmisson being anything too special- and we'll see how he deals with the Aussie pitches in a couple months and being 10 000 miles from Durham. Freddie and Simon were the big threats. And for the upcoming series, Simon aint there, and Freddie is recovering from an injury- and he hasn't bowled like he did in the Ashes since the Ashes....
eddiesmith
20 Sep 2006, 00:11
I never said Australia were brilliant in the field- but overall, they WERE better than England, as most observers would agree (apart from Pratt, of course...GRIN)
As for your other bowlers, Hoggard went OK, but I don't remember Harmisson being anything too special- and we'll see how he deals with the Aussie pitches in a couple months and being 10 000 miles from Durham. Freddie and Simon were the big threats. And for the upcoming series, Simon aint there, and Freddie is recovering from an injury- and he hasn't bowled like he did in the Ashes since the Ashes....
Whilst for Australia, who are the threats? I cant think of any other than Warne again but he couldnt win the games single handedly last time and wont this time especially as long as Ponting is captain
usalion
20 Sep 2006, 01:20
Whilst for Australia, who are the threats? I cant think of any other than Warne again but he couldnt win the games single handedly last time and wont this time especially as long as Ponting is captain
You might want to remember the image of a healthy and angry Mcgrath, who tore you apart at Lords before his injury. Yes, he is getting up there, but Roger Clemens is still dominating at age 44....so beware the Pige- especially with a burr up his bum.
Lee seems to have settled into a more consistent Test form and bowling on his home turf will be a big help. If he bowls like he did in England, Australia will have to fight....
Third quick is up in the air, as the selectors have done little to groom somebody for the spot. Bracken or Clark (despite the horrid one day effort) are probably the ones to choose from, with tait the smokey. For fortress Gabba, of course, they might want to go with the man who knows the pitch the best- m'man Kasper, who has dismantled the Poms in the past- and you know what he has done to your precious Vics. My choice? Probably Bracken....about as threatening as Harmisson....
eddiesmith
20 Sep 2006, 01:21
You might want to remember the image of a healthy and angry Mcgrath, who tore you apart at Lords before his injury. Yes, he is getting up there, but Roger Clemens is still dominating at age 44....so beware the Pige- especially with a burr up his bum.
Lee seems to have settled into a more consistent Test form and bowling on his home turf will be a big help. If he bowls like he did in England, Australia will have to fight....
Third quick is up in the air, as the selectors have done little to groom somebody for the spot. Bracken or Clark (despite the horrid one day effort) are probably the ones to choose from, with tait the smokey. For fortress Gabba, of course, they might want to go with the man who knows the pitch the best- m'man Kasper, who has dismantled the Poms in the past- and you know what he has done to your precious Vics. My choice? Probably Bracken....about as threatening as Harmisson....
Paul Collingwood is more threatening than any of those considered for the 3rd quick
Sanguinarius
20 Sep 2006, 01:27
Paul Collingwood is more threatening...
only to himself
usalion
20 Sep 2006, 01:53
Paul Collingwood is more threatening than any of those considered for the 3rd quick
Thanks for the laugh, ed
Difference is I can try and do better next time You on the other hand will always be Australian.
Boom boom TISH!
I wonder who is the one with an agenda?
Well firstly you mentioned Jones was our best bowler I answered I didnt think he was .Secondly you mentioned Harmison I answered about his lack of consistency and gave the reason why I am hoping he will come good .What agenda .
I do take the mickey out of Aus for having a very old team and when these players get injured they then seem to be replaced by even older players .Im sure if it was England this point would be stressed over and over .Thankfully England have finally realised they have to blood youth and stick with them .Aus havent realised yet or rather have forgotten how they used to do it and are in for a massive fall very shortly .They may beat England in one last Hurrah but thats what it will be
I never said Australia were brilliant in the field- but overall, they WERE better than England, as most observers would agree (apart from Pratt, of course...GRIN)
As for your other bowlers, Hoggard went OK, but I don't remember Harmisson being anything too special- and we'll see how he deals with the Aussie pitches in a couple months and being 10 000 miles from Durham. Freddie and Simon were the big threats. And for the upcoming series, Simon aint there, and Freddie is recovering from an injury- and he hasn't bowled like he did in the Ashes since the Ashes....
Im sorry mate but you were appaling in the field and i cant believe you have forotten already .Not only did you drop plenty of catches your ground fielding was the worst from an Aus team in 20 years .England had a bad first test but after that Pieterson and Jones excepted were outstanding .
Harmison did alright in that Charity friendly rest of the world job last year .Also he has had a lot of stick here for his performance and attitude ,so Im sure he will be fired up .Flintoff will also be on fire its whether he can stay fit .
I will say it again these matches are close together your team is old that aids us .The only difference between the teams is Warne so you are only one injury away from trouble and he is due an injury so is Lee by the way
You might want to remember the image of a healthy and angry Mcgrath, who tore you apart at Lords before his injury. Yes, he is getting up there, but Roger Clemens is still dominating at age 44....so beware the Pige- especially with a burr up his bum.
Lee seems to have settled into a more consistent Test form and bowling on his home turf will be a big help. If he bowls like he did in England, Australia will have to fight....
Third quick is up in the air, as the selectors have done little to groom somebody for the spot. Bracken or Clark (despite the horrid one day effort) are probably the ones to choose from, with tait the smokey. For fortress Gabba, of course, they might want to go with the man who knows the pitch the best- m'man Kasper, who has dismantled the Poms in the past- and you know what he has done to your precious Vics. My choice? Probably Bracken....about as threatening as Harmisson....
McGrath is a freak bowling at Lords I really think his day is gone .Lee will bowl the odd decent spell but who else is there to worry England .
It will all come down to Warne bowling 40 overs a day again
Cooldude
20 Sep 2006, 04:17
Well firstly you mentioned Jones was our best bowler I answered I didnt think he was .Secondly you mentioned Harmison I answered about his lack of consistency and gave the reason why I am hoping he will come good .What agenda .
I do take the mickey out of Aus for having a very old team and when these players get injured they then seem to be replaced by even older players .Im sure if it was England this point would be stressed over and over .Thankfully England have finally realised they have to blood youth and stick with them .Aus havent realised yet or rather have forgotten how they used to do it and are in for a massive fall very shortly .They may beat England in one last Hurrah but thats what it will be
It's alright, no need to get defensive
Jones was your best bowler in the Ashes, IMO an absolute gem. Harmison's been pie chucking for a long time, but you don't think so. That's alright, it's all opinion, everyone has a right for one
I just think your opinion's wrong and quite frankly misguided and ill-informed, also full of bias, that is also my opinion.
And by saying you wanna take the mickey outta Aus is as good as saying you do have an agenda
Im sorry mate but you were appaling in the field and i cant believe you have forotten already .Not only did you drop plenty of catches your ground fielding was the worst from an Aus team in 20 years .England had a bad first test but after that Pieterson and Jones excepted were outstanding .
Harmison did alright in that Charity friendly rest of the world job last year .Also he has had a lot of stick here for his performance and attitude ,so Im sure he will be fired up .Flintoff will also be on fire its whether he can stay fit .
I will say it again these matches are close together your team is old that aids us .The only difference between the teams is Warne so you are only one injury away from trouble and he is due an injury so is Lee by the way
Its good to see that out of all your inconsistencies with facts, and sudden amnesia that seems to set in from time to time, you are at least consistent with the crappola.Bringing up what happened 12 months ago has about as much relevance as me bringing up 1989, 1991, 1993, 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001 and so the story goes. :) England have done nothing since that ashes series.An Australian umpire had to giftwrap the series against Pakistan for them.They're sh1t.Deal with it.
usalion
20 Sep 2006, 06:12
McGrath is a freak bowling at Lords I really think his day is gone .Lee will bowl the odd decent spell but who else is there to worry England .
It will all come down to Warne bowling 40 overs a day again
Yup- Pigeon is freakish at Lords, taking 26 wickets- but he's done pretty well at the first three grounds we play your mob- 15 at the Gabba, 13 at the WACA and 11 in Adelaide. He'll be as fired up as Freddie, if not more.
As for Lee, I've already stated, if he bowls like he did in England last year, australia will have to scratch and claw- but he has bowled better in the past nine months AND he is playing on his home turf, which is important.
As Cooldude said in another place, it is all our opinion anyway- we'll see what happens in two months time. I'm obviously not going to change you, and you aren't going to change me.
By the way, you mention the closeness of the tests- one thing that works in our favour is the weather- even guys in their mid 30s know how to pace themselves in the heat and humidity of Brisbane and Perth....we'll see how your lot hold up....
RoosterLad
20 Sep 2006, 11:40
Lee will have a good ashes series now its back in australia.
Collingwood hahah, he might be good at the start of the tour and then collapse by the end, just like his namesake.
Browney2006
20 Sep 2006, 16:55
I never said Australia were brilliant in the field- but overall, they WERE better than England, as most observers would agree (apart from Pratt, of course...GRIN)
As for your other bowlers, Hoggard went OK, but I don't remember Harmisson being anything too special- and we'll see how he deals with the Aussie pitches in a couple months and being 10 000 miles from Durham. Freddie and Simon were the big threats. And for the upcoming series, Simon aint there, and Freddie is recovering from an injury- and he hasn't bowled like he did in the Ashes since the Ashes....
No they wernt, that is a load of crap, and you know it.
Its good to see that out of all your inconsistencies with facts, and sudden amnesia that seems to set in from time to time, you are at least consistent with the crappola.Bringing up what happened 12 months ago has about as much relevance as me bringing up 1989, 1991, 1993, 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001 and so the story goes. :) England have done nothing since that ashes series.An Australian umpire had to giftwrap the series against Pakistan for them.They're sh1t.Deal with it.
I see you are still conforming to stereotype
It's alright, no need to get defensive
Jones was your best bowler in the Ashes, IMO an absolute gem. Harmison's been pie chucking for a long time, but you don't think so. That's alright, it's all opinion, everyone has a right for one
I just think your opinion's wrong and quite frankly misguided and ill-informed, also full of bias, that is also my opinion.
And by saying you wanna take the mickey outta Aus is as good as saying you do have an agenda
Again if you read what I posted you will see I answered the Harmison point .Please point out where I have posted he is performing well the word I have used in every post is consistency and its lack.
If we are talking bias according to you England are crap have no players have no chance etc which is simply untrue .I dont go around saying things like that about Aus I do take the mickey about age but am I not correct .I do try to answer points people make Im not afraid to say things arent wrong with England .I was the biggest critic of G Jones I was constantly harping on about Flintoff bowling to much and the fact he shouldnt be captain .I cant stand Pieterson etc.
I tell it as I see it if Im proven I can always wrong admit it
Yup- Pigeon is freakish at Lords, taking 26 wickets- but he's done pretty well at the first three grounds we play your mob- 15 at the Gabba, 13 at the WACA and 11 in Adelaide. He'll be as fired up as Freddie, if not more.
As for Lee, I've already stated, if he bowls like he did in England last year, australia will have to scratch and claw- but he has bowled better in the past nine months AND he is playing on his home turf, which is important.
As Cooldude said in another place, it is all our opinion anyway- we'll see what happens in two months time. I'm obviously not going to change you, and you aren't going to change me.
By the way, you mention the closeness of the tests- one thing that works in our favour is the weather- even guys in their mid 30s know how to pace themselves in the heat and humidity of Brisbane and Perth....we'll see how your lot hold up....
McGrath may be fired up but is that enough .Also this might be another pro for us because all your players will be at boiling point all your media will be at boiling point all your fans will be at boiling point .What happens if England withstand that initial burst what will there be left ,the pressure your players will feel will outweigh anything ours were under last year and that was immense .We have seen how Pontings captaincy stands up under pressure .
On the subject of heat our players were in India earlier this year pretty hot there and they did fine .Also you obviously dwerent at Trent Bridge earlier this year the sun nearly came out it was a heat wave :D
Cooldude
20 Sep 2006, 18:58
Again if you read what I posted you will see I answered the Harmison point .Please point out where I have posted he is performing well the word I have used in every post is consistency and its lack.
You're answering to nothing, as I wasn't seeking for an answer.
If we are talking bias according to you England are crap have no players have no chance etc which is simply untrue .I dont go around saying things like that about Aus I do take the mickey about age but am I not correct .I do try to answer points people make Im not afraid to say things arent wrong with England .I was the biggest critic of G Jones I was constantly harping on about Flintoff bowling to much and the fact he shouldnt be captain .I cant stand Pieterson etc.
I tell it as I see it if Im proven I can always wrong admit it
Where did I say England are crap have no players and have no chance? You're off to lala land on that one
Browney2006
20 Sep 2006, 19:01
Australias opening combination, Ashes 2009.
http://216.168.38.57/home/data/banana/cd_cover/Retirement%20Home.jpg
Australias opening combination, Ashes 2009.
http://216.168.38.57/home/data/banana/cd_cover/Retirement%20Home.jpg
Good to see you're sticking to your usual standards.
I see you are still conforming to stereotype
Haha lol, I'd rather be doing that than turning bullsh1t into an art form.
Browney2006
20 Sep 2006, 19:44
Good to see you're sticking to your usual standards.
Hands up who wants to open the batting with Justin!
http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/4643/2004169469764643720_fs.jpg
Kim Chambers
20 Sep 2006, 20:24
Hands up who wants to open the batting with Justin!
http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/4643/2004169469764643720_fs.jpgWas that picture taken in 1996? Is that Graham Gooch standing up the back? ;)
Was that picture taken in 1996? Is that Graham Gooch standing up the back? ;)
1996 You dont follow cricket then
Haha lol, I'd rather be doing that than turning bullsh1t into an art form.
Yes I can tell from your posting your one of those people who doesnt do anything well:D
Kim Chambers
20 Sep 2006, 20:31
1996 You dont follow cricket thenI can't understand why you do.All those thrashings, being laughed at, humiliated, even young children laughing and could probably on some cases play better than the clowns you would often send out here, I can't figure it out.I bet you enjoy being dominated by men. :)
I can't understand why you do.All those thrashings, being laughed at, humiliated, even young children laughing and could probably on some cases play better than the clowns you would often send out here, I can't figure it out.I bet you enjoy being dominated by men. :)
Wow what a rant. Thats a tick in the win column for me :cool:
Its what I expected when I saw your post yesterday.I expected a load of tripe and you delivered :D