View Full Version : Team 4 Next Year
BOMBERSG8
20 Sep 2006, 10:30
BACKS Welsh Flecther Solomon
H/BACKS L/Murry Bradley McPhee
CENTRES Gibbs J Johnson McViegh
H/FORWARDS Hird Lucas M Johnson
FORWARDS Monfires Lloyd Lovett
RUCKS Hille Watson Peverill
BENCH Johns Camporeale Laycock Trade or Daft Player
Longy413
20 Sep 2006, 10:33
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go_the_bombers
20 Sep 2006, 12:38
There's no prizes for starting the most threads
I thought there was :p
mcphee_is_a_gun
20 Sep 2006, 12:41
There's no prizes for starting the most threads
Lock this thread perhaps?
malleeboy
20 Sep 2006, 14:31
BACKS Welsh Flecther Solomon
H/BACKS L/Murry Bradley McPhee
CENTRES Gibbs J Johnson McViegh
H/FORWARDS Hird Lucas M Johnson
FORWARDS Monfires Lloyd Lovett
RUCKS Hille Watson Peverill
BENCH Johns Camporeale Laycock Trade or Daft Player
Soloman wont be at the bombers next year.
Where is stanton? drop peverill for him
Hope your right about gibbs
Donsforever
20 Sep 2006, 14:46
Stanton???????????:eek:
The thread may have some validity AFTER the lists are finalised, but not before.
NO STANTON....OMG
Jasiano
20 Sep 2006, 16:16
There is no way we're going to be able to pick up Gibbs. Carlton of course get the first pick and theres no way they're going to turn him down.
I feel this next year is going to be Solly's last chance. I'd like to see him used as a forward line pressure player. Also, Lloyd/Hird will get attention so Solly can rough up their opponents a bit too.
Would like to see McVeigh thrown onto a wing a bit more too. Him and M. Johnson hopefully will alternate more often next season.
Off the list: Bolton, Camporeale, Ramma (unfortunately i think his going to give it up). Reynolds is a tough one. A couple of seasons ago he showed us the talent he has up forward with his clean hands and good leap. Since that horrible injury he had (i think it was osteitus pubis or something similar) his lost confidence. Anyway, I would like to see Camporeale delisted but he's going to stick around i think so his on the bench in my starting 18. A few more also that i am finding hard to make calls on. Possibly Solly in the end, will have to see.
If we want to improve as a club we need to start playing the likes of Dempsey, Winderlich, etc throughout the midfeild to get some speed through the middle. Delivery needs to be much better this year too. Though with our forward line pumped as it is (in my starting 18) we can afford for the ball to be pumped in long.
Hopefully with our picks in both drafts we can trade a few guys and get some more midfeild speed in there. Although we haven't had a great year i won't be expecting a huge amount of change. Just some different mindset and tactics with a bit more of a injection of pace through the middle. We actually do have a lot of talent coming through they just need time to adapt. ie. Players like Dempsey, etc.
As for our starting 18:
B: McVeigh--Fletch--L/Murray
HB: Welsh----Keplar--McPhee
C: Stanton--J.Johnson--Monfries
HF: Johns-----Lucas----Lovett
FF: Solomon--Lloyd----Hird
Followers: Hille--M.Johnson--Peverill
Bench: Laycock/Cartledge--Jobe--Dyson/Winderlich--Camporeale/Heffernan
I believe we can make the 8 if things go to plan. It's going to be a very even season from 5-10 so it'll be touch and go.
Looking forward to 2007. :)
B- Nash Fletcher Welsh
HB- Lovett-Murray Lucas Mcphee
C-Dyson Watson McVeigh
HF- Monfries Bradley Lovett
F- Hird Lloyd Dempsey
R- Hille Stanton J Johnson
INT- Laycock Winderlich Slattery Johns
For the first time it looks like we might be able to field a side with a bit of dash for a change, a team that can run and carry. Kepler and Lucas have changed spots because it kills me seeing him get smashed by 'men' every week and with him rotating with Johns i think it will lead to a more balanced side. Slattery would take over from Peverill/Heffernan as the number 1 tagger because its more productive for the future of our midfield. Hopefully if they improve their foot skills we might just be an outside chance for the 8.
daveyboy3
20 Sep 2006, 17:12
As for our starting 18:
B: McVeigh--Fletch--L/Murray
HB: Welsh----Keplar--McPhee
C: Stanton--J.Johnson--Monfries
HF: Johns-----Lucas----Lovett
FF: Solomon--Lloyd----Hird
Followers: Hille--M.Johnson--Peverill
Bench: Laycock/Cartledge--Jobe--Dyson/Winderlich--Camporeale/Heffernan
I believe we can make the 8 if things go to plan. It's going to be a very even season from 5-10 so it'll be touch and go.
Looking forward to 2007. :)
We won't make the 8 if Johnson and Peverill are our starting on ballers.
FootyGuru
20 Sep 2006, 17:24
There is no way we're going to be able to pick up Gibbs. Carlton of course get the first pick and theres no way they're going to turn him down.
I feel this next year is going to be Solly's last chance. I'd like to see him used as a forward line pressure player. Also, Lloyd/Hird will get attention so Solly can rough up their opponents a bit too.
Would like to see McVeigh thrown onto a wing a bit more too. Him and M. Johnson hopefully will alternate more often next season.
Off the list: Bolton, Camporeale, Ramma (unfortunately i think his going to give it up). Reynolds is a tough one. A couple of seasons ago he showed us the talent he has up forward with his clean hands and good leap. Since that horrible injury he had (i think it was osteitus pubis or something similar) his lost confidence. Anyway, I would like to see Camporeale delisted but he's going to stick around i think so his on the bench in my starting 18. A few more also that i am finding hard to make calls on. Possibly Solly in the end, will have to see.
If we want to improve as a club we need to start playing the likes of Dempsey, Winderlich, etc throughout the midfeild to get some speed through the middle. Delivery needs to be much better this year too. Though with our forward line pumped as it is (in my starting 18) we can afford for the ball to be pumped in long.
Hopefully with our picks in both drafts we can trade a few guys and get some more midfeild speed in there. Although we haven't had a great year i won't be expecting a huge amount of change. Just some different mindset and tactics with a bit more of a injection of pace through the middle. We actually do have a lot of talent coming through they just need time to adapt. ie. Players like Dempsey, etc.
As for our starting 18:
B: McVeigh--Fletch--L/Murray
HB: Welsh----Keplar--McPhee
C: Stanton--J.Johnson--Monfries
HF: Johns-----Lucas----Lovett
FF: Solomon--Lloyd----Hird
Followers: Hille--M.Johnson--Peverill
Bench: Laycock/Cartledge--Jobe--Dyson/Winderlich--Camporeale/Heffernan
I believe we can make the 8 if things go to plan. It's going to be a very even season from 5-10 so it'll be touch and go.
Looking forward to 2007. :)
good analysis and some good ideas, i believe campo is still needed especially for his delivery into the forward line. my team looks a tad different but i think solomon up forward could work, id play him off the bench and everywhere i know itll unsettle him but i think he is no longer good enough to cement a spot in a position on the ground. my team looks like this.
B - welsh - fletcher - m.johnson
HB- LMurry - bradley - mcphee
C - Mcviegh - watson - winderlich
HF - hird - lucas - monfries
FF - Lovett - lloyd - johns
R- hille stanton campo
int jjohnson, laycock, dyson , soloman
emg - dempsy slattery nash heffernan
also could include ryder or peverall(if not delisted which i think will and should happen) and new draftees and people traded for. i dunno how u could have watson as an emerg or on the bench?
One of the better looking teams FootyGuru, we definately need Campo he will be handy next year and we need McVeigh forward as much as possible with his delivery and is a very good marking small forward.
For me, I wouldn't even bother with Solly in the best 22, he's pretty much past it if he was on our list he'd have to earn his spot IMO, replace him with Nash as he has showed he's pretty much ready for senior footy, he just needs a consistent showing now.
If there was anyone else I'd play forward it would be Kepler for me, he is athletic and with Lloyd, Johns, Lucas and Hird he can outmark smaller opponents and sometimes be a little quick for tall opponents, he's not a defender for me, hopefully Nash and Richie Cole can take the next step in 07
Jasiano
20 Sep 2006, 20:21
We won't make the 8 if Johnson and Peverill are our starting on ballers.
They may be starting there but we'll have a rotation policy with lots of quick changes and injecting our slighter built and quicker players like Dyson, etc.
Cheers footyguru. :thumbsu:
B - Nash - Fletcher - M Johnson
HB- L Murray - Lucas - Mcphee
C - Mcviegh - Watson - Dyson
HF - Hird - Johns - Bradley
FF - Lovett - Lloyd - Monfries
R- Hille - Stanton - J Johnson
int Campo, Ryder, Dempsey , Heffernan
This is just what i think could be a good team, with rotation of lucas and bradley...
Jasiano
22 Sep 2006, 14:49
B - Nash - Fletcher - M Johnson
HB- L Murray - Lucas - Mcphee
C - Mcviegh - Watson - Dyson
HF - Hird - Johns - Bradley
FF - Lovett - Lloyd - Monfries
R- Hille - Stanton - J Johnson
int Campo, Ryder, Dempsey , Heffernan
This is just what i think could be a good team, with rotation of lucas and bradley...
Liking that.
So you've made the tough call on Pev? Hmm, it's a hard one. I like the idea of the two fast left footers on either wing. Dyson and McVeigh. Dyson reminds me of a more attacking 19-20yr old version of McVeigh (when McVeigh played on the wing at that age). He needs to work on his skills over summer though. Dyson that is.
McVeigh has apparently been asking to be played more in the midfeild. I hope his chucked right into the middle on the odd ocassion as well as playing on the wing. Rotate Stanton with him. McVeigh had a great season and could serve even better if thrown in there.
As for Dyson you can switch him around with Lovett off the forward flank. Some real pace there also.
You'll probably see Laycock in there over Ryder on most occasions. His the more developed of the two. Ryder should get the odd game though.
Campo/Heffernan off the bench will be nice too. Some skills and experience there. Really liked Heffernan's season, really good in traffic with and without the ball. His tackling is very good.
I liked Nash this year. He really stepped up in a few of our games and was amogst our best players. I hope he can get himself into the starting 22 week in, week out. Good backman who can come off the bench and play various roles in the midfeild as well.
Slattery will continue improving next year also, I'd have him ahead of Dempsey at this stage
Jasiano
22 Sep 2006, 15:01
Slattery will continue improving next year also, I'd have him ahead of Dempsey at this stage
Slattery has adapted better to AFL Senior footy but Dempsey in the long run looks a special player. I think he needs to be given more of a licence to just RUN and CARRY off the wing in the odd game that he plays next year. His pace is amazing.
This year will really make or break Nash/Slattery. I could even see Slattery possibly being traded actually. We have to give up someone and really we don't need another Slattery type player.
Slattery has a bit of Bolton about him. If we could get something pretty good for him, it'd be worth it.
What's his current status in terms of contractal agreements? Anyone know?
Slattery has adapted better to AFL Senior footy but Dempsey in the long run looks a special player. I think he needs to be given more of a licence to just RUN and CARRY off the wing in the odd game that he plays next year. His pace is amazing.
This year will really make or break Nash/Slattery. I could even see Slattery possibly being traded actually. We have to give up someone and really we don't need another Slattery type player.
Slattery has a bit of Bolton about him. If we could get something pretty good for him, it'd be worth it.
What's his current status in terms of contractal agreements? Anyone know?
I agree Dempsey may be a better player long term but Slattery has played very good football at a young age and could be a real top player in his own right, trading him would be a massive mistake. If he was mid 20's maybe but his is what 19-20 and done excellent jobs as a tagger and small defender, definately room for him next year and many years after that, MJ, JJ and Heffernan won't be around for too much longer
Jasiano
22 Sep 2006, 15:16
I agree Dempsey may be a better player long term but Slattery has played very good football at a young age and could be a real top player in his own right, trading him would be a massive mistake. If he was mid 20's maybe but his is what 19-20 and done excellent jobs as a tagger and small defender, definately room for him next year and many years after that, MJ, JJ and Heffernan won't be around for too much longer
True, True. But reality is sometimes you have to trade these guys. We may need to trade him plus a draft pick for a top, top midfeilder. You never know man, young guys can get thrown around in trades like this.
My heart is telling me to keep him though. :thumbsu:
mcphee_is_a_gun
22 Sep 2006, 15:20
Slattery has adapted better to AFL Senior footy but Dempsey in the long run looks a special player. I think he needs to be given more of a licence to just RUN and CARRY off the wing in the odd game that he plays next year. His pace is amazing.
This year will really make or break Nash/Slattery. I could even see Slattery possibly being traded actually. We have to give up someone and really we don't need another Slattery type player.
Slattery has a bit of Bolton about him. If we could get something pretty good for him, it'd be worth it.
What's his current status in terms of contractal agreements? Anyone know?
Slattery signed a 2 yr contract with Monfries earlier in the yr.
Jasiano
22 Sep 2006, 15:23
Slattery signed a 2 yr contract with Monfries earlier in the yr.
Cheers. No worries there then.
Longy413
22 Sep 2006, 15:26
I can't believe I just saw Slattery and Bolton compared.
The only thing that they have in common is they both play for Essendon and in reality they shouldn't even have that in common.
Jasiano
22 Sep 2006, 15:29
I can't believe I just saw Slattery and Bolton compared.
The only thing that they have in common is they both play for Essendon and in reality they shouldn't even have that in common.
When Bolton was young he had the same qualities as Slattery.
In all means i'm not degrading Slattery i just feel that Bolton looked the same at that age in his career.
We weren't expecting to see Teddy Richards go either were we?
Time will tell.
Slattery has adapted better to AFL Senior footy but Dempsey in the long run looks a special player. I think he needs to be given more of a licence to just RUN and CARRY off the wing in the odd game that he plays next year. His pace is amazing.
This year will really make or break Nash/Slattery. I could even see Slattery possibly being traded actually. We have to give up someone and really we don't need another Slattery type player.
Slattery has a bit of Bolton about him. If we could get something pretty good for him, it'd be worth it.
What's his current status in terms of contractal agreements? Anyone know?
Our current player contract status is one of the two sticky threads at the top of the board ;)
Longy413
22 Sep 2006, 15:34
When Bolton was young he had the same qualities as Slattery.
In all means i'm not degrading Slattery i just feel that Bolton looked the same at that age in his career.
What qualities would that be?
I can't see it.
Slattery is aggressive, tough, has a big body and likes to use it. He's crazy, he likes to inflict pain on the opposition. He does his job, he has some class about his disposal (see his goal v Sydney last year), can run the lines and can actually read the play.
Mark Bolton has never had any of that. They haven't even played similar roles.
We weren't expecting to see Teddy Richards go either were we?
Not all of us were on the SuperTed bandwagon.
Not all of us were on the SuperTed bandwagon.
Now Longy we have both been told off several times for not agreeing that Ted is a star :D
Longy413
22 Sep 2006, 15:44
Now Longy we have both been told of severl times for not agreeing that Ted is a star :D
Sorry, all hail Ted Richards.
How was he not AA?
Sorry, all hail Ted Richards.
How was he not AA?
He was dead set unlucky , a few players with ability got into the side before him ;)
He was dead set unlucky , a few players with ability got into the side before him ;)
It's all reputation these days ;)
Jasiano
22 Sep 2006, 16:03
Slattery and Bolton have both played in the midfeild and in different roles down back. When Sheedy was experimenting with Botlon years ago i'm talking about, not over the past couple of seasons.
Ted Richards is playing good footy at Sydney, thats for sure. I guess they didn't feel he could ever make it up forward or down back for us.
Longy413
22 Sep 2006, 16:20
When Bolts started at Essendon he hardly got a game and it was rarely in the midfield.
Slattery has been given lock-down jobs on either small forwards or midfielders. Bolts wasn't doing that.
They have nothing in common in the way they go about their footy.
go_the_bombers
22 Sep 2006, 16:57
When Bolts started at Essendon he hardly got a game and it was rarely in the midfield.
Slattery has been given lock-down jobs on either small forwards or midfielders. Bolts wasn't doing that.
They have nothing in common in the way they go about their footy.
Exactly Slattery is a better footballer ;)
Liking that.
So you've made the tough call on Pev? Hmm, it's a hard one. I like the idea of the two fast left footers on either wing. Dyson and McVeigh. Dyson reminds me of a more attacking 19-20yr old version of McVeigh (when McVeigh played on the wing at that age). He needs to work on his skills over summer though. Dyson that is.
Pev was a hard one, but i felt that if he stays in the side he wouldn't make the best 22, he woudl probaly only be in if there was injuries, i would personally rather see someone like dempsey running around out there then Pev.
As for Dyson you can switch him around with Lovett off the forward flank. Some real pace there also.
Totally, and with L murray coming off the back we have good speed, I can totally see L murray on the wing dishing it to dyson, who runs towards the forward fifty, and kicks it strait to lloyd on the lead.
You'll probably see Laycock in there over Ryder on most occasions. His the more developed of the two. Ryder should get the odd game though.
Agree with this, but laycocks future is a bit up in air, which is why i chose ryder... i guess if we trade laycock for and experienced ruckmen, ryder wouldn't be there, but for now i'll leave him there.
Also laycock can only be there if he is injury free which we haven't seen enough of... If we have a injury free laycock availible, i would pick him before ryder everytime.
II liked Nash this year. He really stepped up in a few of our games and was amogst our best players. I hope he can get himself into the starting 22 week in, week out. Good backman who can come off the bench and play various roles in the midfeild as well.
Yep, and i think he will do a better job then soloman, who i also made the tough call on. The only person i couldn't find a place for who i think is good enough is Slattery. I chose Nash over him, because i think he is more effective on the rebound.
Jasiano
22 Sep 2006, 18:55
Yep, and i think he will do a better job then soloman, who i also made the tough call on. The only person i couldn't find a place for who i think is good enough is Slattery. I chose Nash over him, because i think he is more effective on the rebound.
I think we've worked out that it's time for Solly to go. Unless he can just be can be a forward line pressure guy there is no real value to him.
Maybe he could get ONE LAST CHANCE. This would require a super hard pre-season.
We're probably not going to get much for him though, thats the problem. Who would want him anyway?
I think we've worked out that it's time for Solly to go. Unless he can just be can be a forward line pressure guy there is no real value to him.
Maybe he could get ONE LAST CHANCE. This would require a super hard pre-season.
We're probably not going to get much for him though, thats the problem. Who would want him anyway?
Thats true, people say brisbane might be interested... but who really knows...
I wouldn't care if he was delisted to be honest, been good, but is past due... and taken up the spot of a young talent. He just frustrated me too much this year, giving away ridiculous free kicks...
If we re-sign him, then we can't really play him in the VFL until someone gets hurt, as the Player Contracts don't allow that, and require that unless is he clearly out of form, or being disciplined, he must play in the seniors... i may have this wrong mind you..
Jasiano
22 Sep 2006, 19:17
Thats true, people say brisbane might be interested... but who really knows...
I wouldn't care if he was delisted to be honest, been good, but is past due... and taken up the spot of a young talent. He just frustrated me too much this year, giving away ridiculous free kicks...
If we re-sign him, then we can't really play him in the VFL until someone gets hurt, as the Player Contracts don't allow that, and require that unless is he clearly out of form, or being disciplined, he must play in the seniors... i may have this wrong mind you..
Hmmmmmmm.
Your definitely right on those free-kicks. He not only has been frustrating me for just this season but for the past couple. Mark Johnson use to do it a lot too and then all of a sudden he changed and turned into a real leader on the feild. Solly hasn't made this adjustment and all he really does is negatives on the feild with occasionally doing something good.
As i said his almost worth keeping as a forward line pressure player if we can't get anything for him.
A guy e-mailed WLF and said he saw Solly having coffee with Dennis Pagan, then Lloydy said Solly was in England watching Premier League soccer, was quite funny.
I'd take anything for Solly really, he's almost past it but he has been a good clubman and I would be inclined to keep him on the list and make him work for his spot, there's still worst players to delist, he definately shouldn't be guarenteed a game though
A guy e-mailed WLF and said he saw Solly having coffee with Dennis Pagan, then Lloydy said Solly was in England watching Premier League soccer, was quite funny.
I'd take anything for Solly really, he's almost past it but he has been a good clubman and I would be inclined to keep him on the list and make him work for his spot, there's still worst players to delist, he definately shouldn't be guarenteed a game though
Will be interesting to see if anyone else has interest in him. I get the feeling Solly may take the one year offer when he finds that others are not that keen on him.
Jasiano
23 Sep 2006, 17:44
He should take the one year deal and play desperate footy as if his playing for his career. That way he would be motivated to get back to somewhere near his best footy and suprise us all.
As someone said in another thread i'd like to see him shed some kilo's and come back fitter and faster.
bhorjus
26 Sep 2006, 23:29
FB- Welsh - Fletcher - McVeigh
CHB- McPhee - Bradley - Lovett Murray
C- Stanton - Watson - Dyson
CHF- Lovett - Lucas - M.Johnson
FF- Hird - Lloyd - Johns
R- Hille - J.Johnson - Peverill
I- Lee - Monfries - Slattery - Ryder
(Not including Draft Picks)
He should take the one year deal and play desperate footy as if his playing for his career. That way he would be motivated to get back to somewhere near his best footy and suprise us all.
As someone said in another thread i'd like to see him shed some kilo's and come back fitter and faster.
Is he capable of doing that with his knees how they are?
stander
27 Sep 2006, 11:27
FB- Welsh - Fletcher - McVeigh
CHB- McPhee - Bradley - Lovett Murray
C- Stanton - Watson - Dyson
CHF- Lovett - Lucas - M.Johnson
FF- Hird - Lloyd - Johns
R- Hille - J.Johnson - Peverill
I- Camporale - Monfries - Slattery - Ryder
(Not including Draft Picks)
Interestingly Laycock has been relegated out of the picture.
Dysons dealdy left boot
27 Sep 2006, 12:34
F Backs - M Johnson - D Fletcher - A Welsh
H Back - Lovett Murrey - A lee - A Mcphee
Centre - R Dyson - Watson - Lovett
H foward - J Hird - S Lucas - C Johns
F Fowards -A Monfires - M LLoyd - H Slattery
Rucks - D Hille - B Stanton - M Mcvaigh
Bench - R Cole - J Johnson - J Laycock - J winderlich
Duno about Nash Bradley peverill soloman reynolds heffernan dempsy camporalle Jolley and draft picks hopefully this means there will be some pressure on players to perform.
bhorjus
27 Sep 2006, 17:54
Interestingly Laycock has been relegated out of the picture.
Hes been in the system for a while now and could probarly trade him with a draft pick and get something decent.
go_the_bombers
27 Sep 2006, 17:56
F Backs - M Johnson - D Fletcher - A Welsh
H Back - Lovett Murrey - A lee - A Mcphee
Centre - R Dyson - Watson - Lovett
H foward - J Hird - S Lucas - C Johns
F Fowards -A Monfires - M LLoyd - H Slattery
Rucks - D Hille - B Stanton - M Mcvaigh
Bench - R Cole - J Johnson - J Laycock - J winderlich
Duno about Nash Bradley peverill soloman reynolds heffernan dempsy camporalle Jolley and draft picks hopefully this means there will be some pressure on players to perform.
I'd have Nash ahead of Cole at the moment