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Brad Pearce
23 Sep 2006, 14:09
After his performance against the swans it just goes to show what a dud he is. The only reason he looked so good early in his career was because he played for you guys because you were so good.
Now, when playing for Freo, you realise he isn't that great after all.
lionsrock9
23 Sep 2006, 14:15
After his performance against the swans it just goes to show what a dud he is. The only reason he looked so good early in his career was because he played for you guys because you were so good.
Now, when playing for Freo, you realise he isn't that great after all.
it's funny because it's true
Bobby Beecroft
23 Sep 2006, 14:24
Massive disappointment for the Dockers.
Kind of Ironic as he is the type of player that many believe we need.
A quick burst midfiled that could blow the game apart (well use to be able to anyway).
C4[2]Yo`DooR
23 Sep 2006, 14:28
Just out of curiosity .. what did you guys end up getting for him ?
Grimreepah
23 Sep 2006, 14:32
Yo`DooR']Just out of curiosity .. what did you guys end up getting for him ?
Pick 3 (Brennan) and Pick 19 (Troy Selwood) (http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=draft&spg=alltimelistdisplay&articleid=85391)
Bobby Beecroft
23 Sep 2006, 14:32
Pick 3 - Jared Brennan... & the winner is?
Still to be decided I guess.
Forget about the other pick.
Go to be quick to beat the Reepah.
Grimreepah
23 Sep 2006, 14:46
He was in awesome form in 2002, his final year with us.
TheBrownDog
23 Sep 2006, 14:48
I think Pick 19 was ours anyway.
I think we got the Brennan pick and Blake Caracella.
maroon and blue
23 Sep 2006, 15:04
Was Jason Gramm one of ours?
Dessy is OK but certainly not what we expected.
Brennan - dont think has done a lot.
nil all draw?
macca69
23 Sep 2006, 15:27
After his performance against the swans it just goes to show what a dud he is. The only reason he looked so good early in his career was because he played for you guys because you were so good.
Now, when playing for Freo, you realise he isn't that great after all.
I've been a massive critic of Headland since he moved to the Dockers. Is a huge front runner. However I thought he was decent last night. He kept Kennelly's rebound to a minimum, in fact I barely saw Kennelly all night. He was also fairly effective offensively. I think he was one of the few Freo players out there that beat their direct opponent IMO.
However I agree that he has been a massive disapointment since moving to Freo.
Grimreepah
23 Sep 2006, 15:41
I think Pick 19 was ours anyway.
I think we got the Brennan pick and Blake Caracella.
We swapped Blake Caracella for Cupido and pick 15 according to the AFL website (see link).
Rawhead
23 Sep 2006, 15:44
Was Jason Gram one of ours?
yes .
sherminator
23 Sep 2006, 16:06
Troy Selwood pwns Headland anyday, already. The verdict is still out on Brennan but he should come good, sooner or later.
I've been a massive critic of Headland since he moved to the Dockers. Is a huge front runner. However I thought he was decent last night. He kept Kennelly's rebound to a minimum, in fact I barely saw Kennelly all night. He was also fairly effective offensively. I think he was one of the few Freo players out there that beat their direct opponent IMO.
However I agree that he has been a massive disapointment since moving to Freo.
Funny that considering who you support:p!
But yes, I agree. Probably could of done some more good things with Brisbane but...oh well.
Dessy is OK but certainly not what we expected.
Brennan - dont think has done a lot.
nil all draw?
Points decision to us? Only because Brennan is a little younger, and still might come around? Better be soon though. Dessie I think we all know won't be a star, solid contributor at best?
But if you insist on the nil all draw I'll take it. Interesting that we're talking about it, given it was the last major trade we were involved in prior to this aker debate. Dessie didnt have a contract IIRC.
Grimreepah
23 Sep 2006, 19:35
I think Freo were the big losers because they lost pick 3 and pick 19 for someone who has not done a whole lot.
As far as we are concerned, Headland was firing on all cyclinders in 2002 so we have probably lost out as well.
A lose/lose trade IMO.
konstas_87
23 Sep 2006, 21:00
I think Pick 19 was ours anyway.
I think we got the Brennan pick and Blake Caracella.
yeh i thought that was the case too TBD.
if we hadnt got Brennan with that pick (i.e. some1 said have pick 3 and caracella for Headland) thatd be an AWESOME trade.
Des Headland trade was a simple Four club deal between Brisbane, Fremantle, Essendon and Melbourne
* Fremantle received Des Headland from Bris and pick 55 from Essendon.
* Fremantle parted with Pick 3 and 19 to Brisbane and Adam McFee to Essendon
* Brisbane received Pick 3 and 19 from Freo and Blake Caracella from Essendon.
* Brisbane parted with Des Headland to Freo, Damian Cupido and pick 15 to Essendon
* Essendon received Adam McFee from Freo, Cupido and pick 15 from the Lions
* Essendon parted with Caracella to Bris. and pick 55 to Freo
Bris = Brennan (3), Caracella, Selwood (19)
Freo = Headland, Ryan Crowley(55)
Ess = Cupido, McFee, Laycock*
* Please note. Essendon on traded pick 15 and Heffernan to Melbourne and received pick 10 (Laycock)
Melb = Heffernan and Nick Smith (pick 15)
Hope it clears it up for all:D
don vito of fitzroy
24 Sep 2006, 00:14
Des Headland wasn't that much of a loss. Brisbane had the players who were making a greater impact. To some extent, I do agree with the loss-loss theory though because Caracella sucked at Brisbane. When I went to the Dons vs Lions match at the Telstra dome in 2003, I accused him of still having a soft spot for old club. He played so badly! I was with my cousin in the Bombers' members area so this old guy turned around looking shocked because of my comments.
Grimreepah
24 Sep 2006, 00:15
Carlton lost their priority pick and their first round pick and that's how we ended up with pick 15 (instead of 17). Is that right?
Carlton lost their priority pick and their first round pick and that's how we ended up with pick 15 (instead of 17). Is that right?
Yep!
Warwick
24 Sep 2006, 02:25
I thought he was a massive loss when he went. He was the best player in the competition during the second half of 02. I will never forget the preliminary final he played against Port. It was one of the best individual games played during all our years of domination. He ended up finishing equal 3rd or 4th in the Brownlow by memory (Black won it and Voss was a couple of votes off).
It was quite a site to see Headland being tagged with the likes of Voss, Akermanis, Black, Lappin and Power in the midfield. However, take him away from that callibre of players, and his true colours shine. What did Freo do to him? Why is he such a squib now?
Bentleigh
24 Sep 2006, 02:32
I thought he was a massive loss when he went. He was the best player in the competition during the second half of 02. I will never forget the preliminary final he played against Port. It was one of the best individual games played during all our years of domination. He ended up finishing equal 3rd or 4th in the Brownlow by memory (Black won it and Voss was a couple of votes off).
It was quite a site to see Headland being tagged with the likes of Voss, Akermanis, Black, Lappin and Power in the midfield. However, take him away from that callibre of players, and his true colours shine. What did Freo do to him? Why is he such a squib now?
When the Lions where up and flying he look Judd-like feeding off Voss and friends, lurking around a wing/HFF. Second half of 02 as you put it. Just a machine.
Gash football in an average side (Freo). Went from star to rubbish. I couldn't beleive how crap he was.
Squib.
Vipertooth
24 Sep 2006, 05:32
He wenrt carop casuse he left lions ha ha
* Essendon received Adam McFee from Freo, Cupido and pick 15 from the Lions
* Essendon parted with Caracella to Bris. and pick 55 to Freo
and the winner is... Essendon how the heck did they get all that for Caracella and 55 ! Thats exactly the sort of trade we need this year. Pick up key defender, effectively losing a ash mcgrath type
and the winner is... Essendon how the heck did they get all that for Caracella and 55 !
You forget Laycock as well.
They've got Sheedy and we've got Gabby.
IMO, there is one area that we have really struggled is in negotiating trades and working strategically to place ourselves in the best possible advantage to get the good deals done. That's why I have no confidence in the people charged to trade for our club to get the best out of the Aker situation, or anyone else.
You forget Laycock as well.
They've got Sheedy and we've got Gabby.
IMO, there is one area that we have really struggled is in negotiating trades and working strategically to place ourselves in the best possible advantage to get the good deals done. That's why I have no confidence in the people charged to trade for our club to get the best out of the Aker situation, or anyone else.
Agreed irel, as usual spot on. We will get below market for Michael, and Aker, not to mention Keating as well. I reckon we could have got a 2nd for Keating if we'd traded him last year. It seems there is no master plan in acquiring / delisting. We do seem very good at developing players but we need to get better at salary cap management and trading. It's the way of the modern game. In my mind this is the last year we can use the salary cap as an excuse. End of next year we'll have no Voss, Leppa, Michael, all of which are / were on big contracts. I hope we use that salary cap room well.
Any less than a low first rounder then I think we will have lost on the aker trade.
Grimreepah
24 Sep 2006, 12:18
IMO, there is one area that we have really struggled is in negotiating trades and working strategically to place ourselves in the best possible advantage to get the good deals done.
I disagree. I think our trading has been excellent over the last 10 years
Bobby Beecroft
24 Sep 2006, 12:29
You forget Laycock as well.
They've got Sheedy and we've got Gabby.
IMO, there is one area that we have really struggled is in negotiating trades and working strategically to place ourselves in the best possible advantage to get the good deals done. That's why I have no confidence in the people charged to trade for our club to get the best out of the Aker situation, or anyone else.
Justin Murphy
Matty Allan
Scott Camporeale
Chris Heffernan
Richie Cole
etc, etc......... not so sure about that comparison.
Some Bomber fans don't really enjoy some of there past recycled players, perhaps at the expense of youth.
The Aker deal will certainly be a test of our trading resolve though.
Warwick
24 Sep 2006, 16:36
Our trading has been very good - how many deals have we ended up equal or on top?
The only puzzling thing for me is it doesn't seem like we try and get the best possible deal for a couple of our players, i.e. McLaren, Knobel, Caracella etc. We have lost a fair few players (especially ruckmen) in the PSD, where you would have thought there would have been a bit of interest in them shown from other clubs.
The Flying Belgian
24 Sep 2006, 21:28
Our trading, like most other clubs is average - won some, lost some.
Grimreepah
24 Sep 2006, 21:40
Our trading, like most other clubs is average - won some, lost some.
Who has a better trading record than the Lions?
Des was a king-size dill for leaving us at the end of 2002.
Had the world at his feet as a Lion but nothing more than a fringe playyer at Freo.
Let that be a lesson to him.
TheBrownDog
24 Sep 2006, 21:53
Who has a better trading record than the Lions?
Doggies would be up there. Eagles too.
Grimreepah
24 Sep 2006, 21:56
Doggies would be up there. Eagles too.
Examples?
The Flying Belgian
24 Sep 2006, 22:26
Who has a better trading record than the Lions?
IMO, most if all clubs are average. A few are below average. My point wasn't who are better. I take issue with saying we're "good", unless you classify it as being relative.
I've been a massive critic of Headland since he moved to the Dockers. Is a huge front runner. However I thought he was decent last night. He kept Kennelly's rebound to a minimum, in fact I barely saw Kennelly all night. He was also fairly effective offensively. I think he was one of the few Freo players out there that beat their direct opponent IMO.
However I agree that he has been a massive disapointment since moving to Freo.
You are dead right. Des has become a team player and sacrificed his own game to stifle Kennally and kept him to the least number of possesions since round 2 2005.
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/T/Tadhg_Kennelly.html
He was not the reason we lost.
Grimreepah
24 Sep 2006, 22:44
IMO, most if all clubs are average. A few are below average. My point wasn't who are better. I take issue with saying we're "good", unless you classify it as being relative.
What I mean when I say we have been good is that we have gained a lot more than we have lost, well in the last 10 years anyway. I can't think of any where we have lost out in any significant way, but I can think of a few where we have come out in front big time.
I thought Des had pulled his socks up bit this year. I thought his input was more consistent, especially in the second half of the season.
He was probably never as good as everyone, especially himself, thought he was. As I wish none of our ex-players any ill-will, I hope he continues to grow up. BTW, he still tries to kick the ball too hard when it's unnecessary. This causes him to do a lot of mongrels.
I can think of a few where we have come out in front big time.
Sorry, who are the few?
Lady Lawrence
25 Sep 2006, 10:19
Sorry, who are the few?
dunno about a few but surely Mal Michael for Jarrod Molloy has to be the best deal of all time
Grimreepah
25 Sep 2006, 10:38
Sorry, who are the few?
Fremantle - Adrian Fletcher
Brisbane - pick 5 (Luke Power)
Sydney - Simon Hawking and Brent Green
Brisbane - pick 31 (Simon Black)
Collingwood - Jarrod Molloy and pick 44
Brisbane - Mal Michael and pick 22
BigCat2
25 Sep 2006, 11:39
Fremantle - Adrian Fletcher
Sydney - Simon Hawking and Brent Green
Brisbane - pick 31 (Simon Black)
I know everybody seems to like to include the person who was drafted using that pick when mentioning the trade, but surely that's more down to shrewd recruiting than good trading?
Had we picked up some dud with that selection, we'd probably be crying out that it was a bad trade for us.
Fremantle - Adrian Fletcher
Brisbane - pick 5 (Luke Power)
Sydney - Simon Hawking and Brent Green
Brisbane - pick 31 (Simon Black)
Collingwood - Jarrod Molloy and pick 44
Brisbane - Mal Michael and pick 22
All of these deals at the time of the trade were considered a Win/Win position for both clubs. The fact that Jarrod Molloy retired because of chronic injuries were beyond anyone's control.
The other two you have mentioned were trades one would expect as fair and equitable at the time. Pick 44 and pick 5 could easily have turned out to be Cupido and O'Bree.
Also trades that have worked in our disadvantage could easily counter balance the "in front big time” argument.
Such as Gram for pick 22, the fact that we could not get trade for Bolton. Maclaren, Caracella and few others.
Overall our trading has been average at best. (What the hell were we doing chasing Motlop last year)?
I would like to see Brisbane employ a specialist "Strategist" like Hawthorn have (Pelchen) to deal exclusively with trading and drafting of players.
Grimreepah
25 Sep 2006, 16:59
The other two you have mentioned were trades one would expect as fair and equitable at the time. Pick 44 and pick 5 could easily have turned out to be Cupido and O'Bree.
Drafting is a lottery. I didn't mention swapping Matthew Clarke for pick 6, because we ended up with Cupido. But if the trade pays off then credit is due IMO.
Drafting is a lottery. I didn't mention swapping Matthew Clarke for pick 6, because we ended up with Cupido. But if the trade pays off then credit is due IMO.
Agree, good trade wasted. (With hindsight)
Grandmaster
27 Sep 2006, 23:29
what a sook he was going home... just won g'final missed out on the rest serves him right sook he was...
If pick 3 got J.Brennan for D.Headland the Lions got the dud deal cause he's done nothing other than kick a couple of freaky goals and have u waitng for more... i don't think more is coming from J.Brennan
Everyone was a loser Headland & Brissy
sabre_ac
28 Sep 2006, 02:15
Crowley goes alright....
Though I am never a fan of using picks as a way of proving a deal worked or didnt work.
With Crowley it as recruiting genius to get the kid that far back.
Though he still was technically part of the deal..sorta..