*VOTE NOW*Virtual Board Election - Refer back page for conditions

[astro_toby]

hey there, i just had an interesting idea for the forum - enlight of carltons recent indecision as a board and a commitee, in such things as player earnings and other issues, perhaps it would be interesting for a forum comitee to be formed to see if 8 regular and opinionated members of this forum can agree on decsions and directions the club should take. like a virtual CFC board. to start with something like player earnings i.e thorntons salary, would be a good topic. then we can just leave it up to the other visitors of OUR forum to toss up different subjects. we could have a thread which shows the decisons the board had agreed on, showing votes, in favour/ against. our supporters seemed to be as divided as the club these days, so maybe it would be a goodthing to see if we can get everyone pulling in the one thought process. we can even hold a election when the GM occurs to vote people in or out of the committee. thoughts? its most probably way to full on to work on this sorta board, but there isnt alot else to keep things interesting for the next while.

if anyone is intersted in this idea please let me know, and if you would be interested in joining pm me

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The idea has merit if for no other reason than to pass time during the offseason, however if you are truly looking for a committee decision on real decisions affecting the club, then proper board elections need to be facilitated, not jobs for friends.

If done right, it could be an interesting think tank with a committee of 8-10 posters elected and discussing issues (maybe on MSN) that affect the club currently such as recruiting policy, coaching, marketing, memberships etc.

The idea would be for people to indicate they want to run for the board and/or presidency, we hold a vote poll (public poll with a certain minimum posting criteria to eliminate bogus registrations) where people can vote for multiple candidates at a time. They meet, reach a majority decision on issues and post the results each week.

Everyone else submits issues for discussion.

Every month or so, a board position comes up for election randomly and that board member competes with another nominee in another public poll.

How does that sound?

[Jeremias]

I like the idea, we can really get some good discussions going.

I'd be interested. :thumbsu:

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'll nominate myself as well. We will hold an election in a few days once we get a few names in the hat. Probably don't need a president unless we get a deadlock and their vote counts for double, or we just get 9 board members, no president.

[Hu$$ey]

I am interested also, my name's in the hat :thumbsu:

[astro_toby]

since it was my concept, i think it should probably earn me a spot on the commitee.

[drusswaylander]

Not sure guys. Don't we already try to thrash out the issues on the forum.

Not very well at times, but we do try:D

Some sort of forum board does have the sound of elitism that might make other posters feel that their views are less important.

Do we really need that sort of structure to the forum?

It is the varying views that make a discussion rather than some consensus reached on MSN that doesn't add to our post count and we do seem to be making ground on that:) .

[JeffDunne]

Can I nominate for a position? :)

[bluboy]

Can I nominate for a position? :)

Yeah you can be our cuntry member.

[bluegal1983]

Do I qualify? If so, please count me in :) :thumbsu:

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not sure guys. Don't we already try to thrash out the issues on the forum.

Not very well at times, but we do try:D

Some sort of forum board does have the sound of elitism that might make other posters feel that their views are less important.

Do we really need that sort of structure to the forum?

It is the varying views that make a discussion rather than some consensus reached on MSN that doesn't add to our post count and we do seem to be making ground on that:) .Nah, we would still do discuss things as always, we'd just have an unofficial committee. Maybe we do it so that every month, two members have to vacate the board, and we elect two more from the pool. So every four months we have a full board change and everybody eventually gets a go.

Has to be a democratic process though, no brown paper bags earning you a spot.

[Gilly1972]

Nah, we would still do discuss things as always, we'd just have an unofficial committee. Maybe we do it so that every month, two members have to vacate the board, and we elect two more from the pool. So every four months we have a full board change and everybody eventually gets a go.

Has to be a democratic process though, no brown paper bags earning you a spot.

Surely a virtual committee is to mirror the real thing we should have virtual brown paper bags? :D

I disagree Druss, i am fine with the idea....i don't think it will make others opinions any less valid.

[Johnny_3]

I like the idea, we can really get some good discussions going.

I'd be interested. :thumbsu:
So Would i, sounds like a good idea. But maybye a summary on the reasons the board has chosen to go down this path, rather than just a "game" more like to let people who arent too familiar with the rules and the "hard" decisions made by the board and what makes them so difficuly.

Johnny_3 for board :thumbsu:

[Jeremias]

Also, mods, maybe a sub board of the Carlton board is the place to put all discussions of the virtual board?

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not necessarily Jeremias, would be open to much ridicule and interference. My feeling is that the virtual board discuss these issues amongst themselves via PM or MSN or a chat room, make virtual decisions and then send out a news release to the rest of the board in the form of a stickied thread.

The rest can then applaud it or tear it apart as necessary.

The problem with all this is, it has to be relevant to the real club and its issues and if the virtual board makes a decision to do something and the club doesn't, then the issue has been addressed in the virtual world but not in reality so it comes up for discussion again and again.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

So far nominees are:

astrotoby
ODN
Jeremias
Johnny 3
bluegal 1983
Hussey
Gilly1972?
Jeff_Dunne

Give it a couple of days and we post a poll where people choose multiple options, public poll, can't vote for yourself, no nominations under 100 posts and one months registration, to avoid aliases. Oh and only Carlton posters get to vote.

Feelings on how often we vote in new members and someone stands aside? Weekly, fortnightly or monthly?

If we do it on MSN or in a chat room, it's a good chance for peope to get to know each other as well.

If we don't have a president, we at least need a chair for meetings.

Remember everyone gets to put items on the agenda, not just board members.

[drusswaylander]

Nah, we would still do discuss things as always, we'd just have an unofficial committee. Maybe we do it so that every month, two members have to vacate the board, and we elect two more from the pool. So every four months we have a full board change and everybody eventually gets a go.

Has to be a democratic process though, no brown paper bags earning you a spot.

:) So be it. I guess we'll see how it works in practice:)

[The Old Dark Navy's]

:) So be it. I guess we'll see how it works in practice:)
In practice it will be cumbersome, complicated and unworkable ... much like the real board.

[drusswaylander]

In practice it will be cumbersome, complicated and unworkable ... much like the real board.

:eek: :D

[JeffDunne]

I take it my nomination hasn't been accepted.

I was serious.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Add Jeff_Dunne to the list of nominations. JD, for the purpose of the exercise, if elected you will be required to sign a virtual non disclosure form whereby you can not use any of the discussions outside of the Carlton forum or post links to the discussions outside of the Carlton forum. Acceptable?

Let it not be said that we do not accept non-Carlton people on the board.

[JeffDunne]

No problems.

[TheGeneral]

Add Jeff_Dunne to the list of nominations. JD, for the purpose of the exercise, if elected you will be required to sign a virtual non disclosure form whereby you can not use any of the discussions outside of the Carlton forum or post links to the discussions outside of the Carlton forum. Acceptable?

Let it not be said that we do not accept non-Carlton people on the board.
He's a Queenslander like the rest of the mods so I think he's home and hosed.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

He's a Queenslander like the rest of the mods so I think he's home and hosed.Hahaha ... Cypher is becoming banana-phobic.

[JeffDunne]

He's a Queenslander like the rest of the mods so I think he's home and hosed.
I've been called many things before but that's downright insulting. :p

[TheGeneral]

Only female Saintsfans should apply. :cool:

[TheGeneral]

I've been called many things before but that's downright insulting. :p
Would you prefer Canadian? :p

[Effes]

Would I be thrown out of any meetings?

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Would I be thrown out of any meetings?Not at all, the better cross section of opinions the better IMO. If you find the others hard to work with, you might want to fall on your sword however.

[TheGeneral]

Would I be thrown out of any meetings?
Only if you're not old enough to vote. ;)

[Funkalicous]

I take it my nomination hasn't been accepted.

I was serious.

That's cool. You might actually have more Carlton spirit than our official board. :o :thumbsu:

I won't be nominating myself. I prefer the sporting side to AFL, with the tactics and such more so than the political issues. Frankly, when things are debated amongst a group, I can only take a pragmatic approach. When others make illogical suggestions it frustrates the hell out of me. It's kind of like my ugly side. :o You won't see it though because I rarely post on threads related to Carlton administrative politics.

Besides, you don't really want to know what I think of our leadership group, coaching staff, and administration, believe me. ;)

I'm sure those that are nominated will do great though.

Virtual coach, and I'm there. :cool:

[lebron]

To make it even more realistic, can I wait until the board is up and going, then launch a rival bid to overthrow the board?

[drusswaylander]

To make it even more realistic, can I wait until the board is up and going, then launch a rival bid to overthrow the board?


Only if you are a dodgy businessman:D

[murphster]

Great concept fella's add my name to the Nominations please. I organised the Carlton Big Footy Board Fantasy Footy comp does that get me Kudos towards my election to the board.;) :thumbsu: :D

[Hu$$ey]

Great concept fella's add my name to the Nominations please. I organised the Carlton Big Footy Board Fantasy Footy comp does that get me Kudos towards my election to the board.;) :thumbsu: :D
Sorry, we don't want any organised and/or innovative people on the board thanks.

It just isn't realistic :D ;)

[lebron]

It's alright murphster, you can join my rival ticket

[The Old Dark Navy's]

astrotoby
ODN
Jeremias
Johnny 3
bluegal 1983
Hussey
Gilly1972?
Jeff_Dunne
Murphster

so far

Elections will probably commence tomorrow ... if I don't get called out for work. 29 hours down 34 to go and I am off the hook.

[bluegal1983]

Am I the only female putting my hand up?

[HBF]

I'll put my hand up as well.
Unfortunately i'm not a banana bender, will that count against me ODN?

[Jeremias]

I'll put my hand up as well.
Unfortunately i'm not a banana bender, will that count against me ODN?

HAHA, you're really driving that point home, aren't ya, HBF!

:p

[Beagle_Charlie]

I like the concept, we could get some good debates going.

Id be interested in nominating.

[Hu$$ey]

In my opinion, I don't think discussing potential 'board' decisions on msn or via PM is the best way to go. I think it should be discussed on this board, in front of all other supporters where all board members argue for and against each decision. Surely that is the whole point of this? To get an idea of how board rooms work and if we keep that hidden and just announce the final decisions the whole process becomes redundant, does it not?

[The Old Dark Navy's]

In my opinion, I don't think discussing potential 'board' decisions on msn or via PM is the best way to go. I think it should be discussed on this board, in front of all other supporters where all board members argue for and against each decision. Surely that is the whole point of this? To get an idea of how board rooms work and if we keep that hidden and just announce the final decisions the whole process becomes redundant, does it not?If you do it that way, then there is nothing to stop anybody from posting on the thread, including opposition trolls. Do we get to hear the conversations in the Blues boardroom? Besides, we are electing two new board members each month while others stand aside. After four months, there will have been a complete board change.

Debating issues out in the open is exactly what we do now without a virtual board. I think it has some novelty value this way. A proposal gets put forward, the board goes away to consider it, people hang out waiting for the media release, then the discussion, criticism, accolades commence.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

astrotoby
ODN
Jeremias
Johnny 3
bluegal 1983
Hu$$ey
Gilly1972?
Jeff_Dunne
Murphster
HugeBluesFan
Beagle Charlie

[Jeremias]

Aren't there certain boards wich certain posters are denied access to? Why can't we make it a sub-board of the Carlton board and allow people to read the stuff beig posted, but not allow them to post there? Then the final decision can be posted on the main Carlton board, where all posters can voice their opinions.

That would be much better than an MSN conversation or a lot of PMs.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Could be done but we would have to wait on Chief to do it and get people removed and added every month when positions open up. It would become a shambles.

Maybe we need to elect a board to discuss how the virtual board should work?

[whippersnipper]

Maybe we need to elect a board to discuss how the virtual board should work?

The only fair thing to do would be to elect a board to elect the board to discuss how the virtual board should work. Then another board should be electd to ensue the board electing the board to discuss how the virtual board should work does its job properly. And a board should be elected to discuss how the first three boards should work, and thus another board should be elected to monitor the board that discusses how the first three boards should work. An entiely separate board should then be elected to oversee all the boards that montor all the other boards whose job it is to monitor the other boards. In the end we get about fifteen different boards that all work more efficiently than Graham's S-moron's board does!

[bluegal1983]

Sounds like this is getting too complicated.

I think it should be done as first discussed. Via MSN and then the results of discussions posted in a thread.

Simple.

[HBF]

HAHA, you're really driving that point home, aren't ya, HBF!

:p

I try to mate.

[Gilly1972]

apparently i've been nominated without even knowing i did! I must have a fan somewhere and they have put me on their ticket :)

I will put my hand up ODN, you can remove the ?

I'm running on a platform of bringing mojo back to BF :D

[Jeremias]

apparently i've been nominated without even knowing i did! I must have a fan somewhere and they have put me on their ticket :)

I will put my hand up ODN, you can remove the ?

I'm running on a platform of bringing mojo back to BF :D

Maybe you have a secret admirer ;)

And no, it wasn't me! :p

[The Old Dark Navy's]

apparently i've been nominated without even knowing i did! I must have a fan somewhere and they have put me on their ticket :)
You said earlier you liked the idea. I didn't know if that meant you wanted to be in it or were just being complimentary in general.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Nominations closed. Poll added. Only votes from Carlton supporters, 100 posts or more, registered one month or more will count. This eliminates specially created aliases and trolls. It is a public poll so those votes will be removed.

I went for 7 members rather than 8 so voting on any issues will not be hung. After one month, two members will step aside (but can renominate after one month out) and two new nominees will be elected. That way everybody can have a turn.

The job of the whole forum is to nominate issues for the virtual board to consider.

Remember to vote for 7 board members. You can vote for yourself. Please do not be offended if someone does not vote for you. They may not know you well enough, they might think someone else deserves a chance. Four have to be left out so don't read anything into it.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Polls closes in 3 days.

Public poll was a good idea. Already have an Eagles supporter throwing a vote in.

[HBF]

apparently i've been nominated without even knowing i did! I must have a fan somewhere and they have put me on their ticket :)

I will put my hand up ODN, you can remove the ?

I'm running on a platform of bringing mojo back to BF :D

Gilly,

If you can get the great man back on BF, you'll be hailed a hero!!

[JeffDunne]

Clearly I'm going to have to "buy" my way onto this board. But I can assure you the 50-odd new Carlton BF members have nothing to do with me. ;)

[irish_setanta]

Clearly I'm going to have to "buy" my way onto this board. But I can assure you the 50-odd new Carlton BF members have nothing to do with me. ;)

We have enough trash on our board without you joining, so why dont you piss off back to your own coachless club thread.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

We have enough trash on our board without you joining, so why dont you piss off back to your own coachless club thread.Now now, not necessary. I have to admit I have a perverse interest in how JD would conduct himself in a serious setting and in whether he would consider the best interests of the club he is representing or whether he would use the discussion for ammunition down the track. I seriously considered throwing him a vote. Maybe next month.

A few non-qualifying posters have voted. Unfortunately I will have to discount their votes when tallying up.

[Jeremias]

Now now, not necessary. I have to admit I have a perverse interest in how JD would conduct himself in a serious setting and in whether he would consider the best interests of the club he is representing or whether he would use the discussion for ammunition down the track. I seriously considered throwing him a vote. Maybe next month.

A few non-qualifying posters have voted. Unfortunately I will have to discount their votes when tallying up.

You have hit the lead, ODN.

Must be all your alias' ;)

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You have hit the lead, ODN.

Must be all your alias' ;)Nah, the only aliases I have is where we wanted to get a fantasy footy side going with BF posters and we didn't have the numbers on this board. Each of those aliases have one or two posts and I have since deleted their email accounts.

A couple of voters in there I don't recognise though. Probably have to weed them out because of the eligibility criteria.

[JeffDunne]

I have to admit I have a perverse interest in how JD would conduct himself in a serious setting and in whether he would consider the best interests of the club he is representing or whether he would use the discussion for ammunition down the track.
The current board give me enough ammunition for a lifetime. :)

My interest is nothing more than the intellectual exercise it presents and maybe the chance to "put up" on a few issues where I've been critical in the past.

[Funkalicous]

I had to vote for JD. It's too tempting not to. Unfortunately I won't be present to see what mischeif he gets up to (if he makes the board).

I don't think you have to be a Carlton man to be on the board though. If you're a professional and have good business sense then that should be enough.
Mind you, I don't think JD has either of those qualities, but we'll see... :p

[HBF]

I had to vote for JD. It's too tempting not to. Unfortunately I won't be present to see what mischeif he gets up to (if he makes the board).

I don't think you have to be a Carlton man to be on the board though. If you're a professional and have good business sense then that should be enough.
Mind you, I don't think JD has either of those qualities, but we'll see... :p

So did I.

[Jeremias]

OK this poll has closed, and the results are as follows. The first members of the virtual board are:

1)The Old Dark Navy's-26 votes
2)HugeBluesFan-25 votes
3)Jeremias-21 votes
4)bluegal1983-20 votes
5)Murphster-17 votes
6)Hu$$ey-15 votes
7)Gilly1972-14 votes

Thanls to everyone who voted, and well done to those voted onto the board!

Now it is just a question of how we are going to discuss. There are 3 main options:
1)PM's between the board members and posting of what was agreed on the forum for all to discuss
2)Creating a new sub-forum of the Carlton forum, where everyone can view but only the people on the board at that time can post in. Then, once all decisions are made, they are posted on the main Carlton forum for everyone to discuss
3)MSN discussions.

I suggest we do the sub-forum idea. ODN, since you are an original member of the virtual board, can you pleas ask one of the admin about this? Unless you can do it yourself?

Also, I have to say that we should not do it through MSN because I for one will not be able to do it on there-I simply do not have the time, and others may be in the same boat. PM's or the sub board are far more preferable options.

Cheers.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Jeremias, I can request a sub forum but as Chief is the only one that does it, it could take a bit of time to be done. Then, we have an issue adding names and removing names every month because that has to be requested as well.

Another thing I am not keen on is a 'board' discussion taken place over several hours waiting for responses. One meeting could last all day and it would be more difficult not doing it in real time as discussion is limited.

If we arrange specific MSN meeting times with apologies for board members who aren't present, would that work?

The other option would be to create a sub board at theblueview.org as I can create one there without requesting it. Everyone would need to create an account there though.

[HBF]

The other option would be to create a sub board at theblueview.org as I can create one there without requesting it. Everyone would need to create an account there though.

Happy to do that ODN.

[Jeremias]

Jeremias, I can request a sub forum but as Chief is the only one that does it, it could take a bit of time to be done. Then, we have an issue adding names and removing names every month because that has to be requested as well.

Another thing I am not keen on is a 'board' discussion taken place over several hours waiting for responses. One meeting could last all day and it would be more difficult not doing it in real time as discussion is limited.

If we arrange specific MSN meeting times with apologies for board members who aren't present, would that work?

The other option would be to create a sub board at theblueview.org as I can create one there without requesting it. Everyone would need to create an account there though.

Happy to do that as well.

But ODN, as I have emailed you about before, I cannot access my TBV account for some reason. I need help with this as it does not allow me to make a new one because my email is still registered. Need your assistance in that regard.

Happy to do anything, but MSN is a definite no-no.

[bluegal1983]

Arranging specific times via msn is probably the quickest way to discuss issues. Perhaps Board members should nominate their preferred times and see if there is a common time everybody is available?

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Happy to do that as well.

But ODN, as I have emailed you about before, I cannot access my TBV account for some reason. I need help with this as it does not allow me to make a new one because my email is still registered. Need your assistance in that regard.

Happy to do anything, but MSN is a definite no-no.Jeremias, please PM the details of that account, I have a lot of these issues come up and can't remember specific ones. I have deleted all of my PMs over there by mistake.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Okay, a subforum is to be created with access for only 7 members. Each month two drop out and two more come in.

Will still have to have structured meetings I would suggest. Don't want it like the phantom drafts where you wait for hours for someone to have their say.

Happy to swap MSN addys for any pre-meeting talks however.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Some suggested agenda items:

Marketing
Coaching staff
Fitness staff
Recruiting policies
Memberships
Future home games

[Jeremias]

Edit: Saw ODN's post :o

This should be a really great idea, guys.

[Gilly1972]

I am also happy with the TBV sub-forum option.

[Jeremias]

I am also happy with the TBV sub-forum option.
The sub-forum is happening right here on BF :thumbsu:

[bluegal1983]

The sub-forum is happening right here on BF :thumbsu:

Sounds good to me :)

[Hu$$ey]

So what's the next step?

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Waiting for a forum to appear ...

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The online board members can join in a MSN convo now if you like.

[Funkalicous]

Can I watch? :D

[Jeremias]

Guys, I can't get to MSN ATM, so PM me what was discussed, if anything.

Cheers.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not holding a meeting Jeremias. Only two of us on .. and Funky. He doesn't count though.

[Jeremias]

Is there any progress with the sub-board? Is it going to be put up soon?

[bluegal1983]

Is there any progress with the sub-board? Is it going to be put up soon?

Here here! I am as keen as mustard to get this ball rolling!! ;) :) What's the status????