Aka is at it agin....... GF Footy Show version.

[Chasing the Dream]

OK, I am well and truely sick of him and his antics.

Tonight he decided to bag the club over its financial position and the sacking of Shane Johnson. From there he decided to tell us all the Mal and Vossey were going to retire, and the bombshell of "it wasn't me that was leaking information, it was 'an assistant coach who is no longer at the club'" Apparently Cressa has also leaked that Blacky will win the B&F. Gee I think that result will surprise us all.:p

The guy is a class A ****er. At first I wanted a decent draft pick for him, now I just want to be there when he comes back to the GABBA and Chris Scott may give him the send off he deserves.

[TheBrownDog]

He literally had been in his seat for about 30 seconds and he just started rattling off a list of gossip about the club.

He has become a pathetic, petty little man-child.

[BigCat2]

He has become a pathetic, petty little man-child.

I think you're giving him too much credit there.

Ok, I'm prepared to offload Aker to any club that will offer us a 2nd round pick.

[Chasing the Dream]

Ok, I'm prepared to offload Aker to any club that will offer us a 2nd round pick.

I'm prepared to take anything just to see him line up against us, just once. I fear for him that is all it would take.

Chris Scott would certainly be my pick to match up on him as Browny has carry over points from the tribunal. We could give Scotty a lap of honour after he decks him, who gives a $hit about the 10 weeks he might get.

Stuff it, redraft Pykey while we are at it, he could have a quiet chat to him about this and that before he too had a go at him.:D

[Chasing the Dream]

I'm prepared to take anything just to see him line up against us, just once. I fear for him that is all it would take.

Chris Scott would certainly be my pick to match up on him as Browny has carry over points from the tribunal. We could give Scotty a lap of honour after he decks him, who gives a $hit about the 10 weeks he might get.

Stuff it, redraft Pykey while we are at it, he could have a quiet chat to him about this and that before he too had a go at him.:D

Wow, just re read that. I am really pi$$ed off aren't I.:D

[BigCat2]

Wow, just re read that. I am really pi$$ed off aren't I.:D

Would be good though if we lure Pikey and Brad out of retirement just for one game..... ;)

[Snuka]

Would be good though if we lure Pikey and Brad out of retirement just for one game..... ;)

Forget about redrafting him...just get Pikey to come out on the ground with his suit on. It would be like an episode of the Sopranos.:p

[Grimreepah]

Aker just keeps reaching new lows, and this latest act takes the cake by some margin.

We are now seeing the true Aker - and it is an ugly sight to behold. It's just so disappointing that someone that I used to admire can just throw away all his dignity and just carry on like a complete tool. The average 5 year old has more class.

The idea of spreading gossip about the club in an attempt to prove he wasn't the leak, makes me wonder what's going on in his head. And Creswell has just been through one of the most difficult times in his life, but does Aker think of anyone but himself?

It's a wonder how the Lions were able to manage such a loose cannon for so long. I think it's pretty plain to see that the club is justified in it's decision to get rid of him. I'm also a bit surprised any club would show any interest in him whatsoever. How could you possibly trust him now.

Just go away Aker. You are a disgrace.:thumbsd:

[Quigley]

OK, I am well and truely sick of him and his antics.

Tonight he decided to bag the club over its financial position and the sacking of Shane Johnson. From there he decided to tell us all the Mal and Vossey were going to retire, and the bombshell of "it wasn't me that was leaking information, it was 'an assistant coach who is no longer at the club'" Apparently Cressa has also leaked that Blacky will win the B&F. Gee I think that result will surprise us all.:p

The guy is a class A ****er. At first I wanted a decent draft pick for him, now I just want to be there when he comes back to the GABBA and Chris Scott may give him the send off he deserves.
You might want to take a step back and look at the assistant coach thing a bit more. I have no inside knowledge at all but Cresswell has moved on pretty quickly (or been moved on) when he doesn't have anywhere to go to. Also the Geelong players were very strong in saying they didn't want him back as the coach when it looked like Bomber was being let go. There may be some fire amongst the smoke coming out of Ackers a$$.

[BigCat2]

You might want to take a step back and look at the assistant coach thing a bit more. I have no inside knowledge at all but Cresswell has moved on pretty quickly (or been moved on) when he doesn't have anywhere to go to. Also the Geelong players were very strong in saying they didn't want him back as the coach when it looked like Bomber was being let go. There may be some fire amongst the smoke coming out of Ackers a$$.

IF, and that's a big if, the leak thing really was Cresswell, then does Aker think he's been unfairly blamed? Is all of this stuff his "act of revenge"?

[konstas_87]

OK, I am well and truely sick of him and his antics.

Tonight he decided to bag the club over its financial position and the sacking of Shane Johnson. From there he decided to tell us all the Mal and Vossey were going to retire, and the bombshell of "it wasn't me that was leaking information, it was 'an assistant coach who is no longer at the club'" Apparently Cressa has also leaked that Blacky will win the B&F. Gee I think that result will surprise us all.:p

The guy is a class A ****er. At first I wanted a decent draft pick for him, now I just want to be there when he comes back to the GABBA and Chris Scott may give him the send off he deserves.
he's a class act isnt he old aker.
i just hope we dont play them til rd 15 next year so at least browny gets 15 rds of footy out of the season before getting suspended for 2 months.

[Grimreepah]

You might want to take a step back and look at the assistant coach thing a bit more. I have no inside knowledge at all but Cresswell has moved on pretty quickly (or been moved on) when he doesn't have anywhere to go to. Also the Geelong players were very strong in saying they didn't want him back as the coach when it looked like Bomber was being let go. There may be some fire amongst the smoke coming out of Ackers a$$.

A lot of ifs. You could just as easily say Aker was the leak, and because the club has stopped leaking information since Aker's departure, he had to find someone who was no longer at the club to pass the blame onto.

I think it's a shame that Creswell's reputation should get tarnished because of this malicious gossip. Cressa may very well consider suing for defamation.

[Chasing the Dream]

You might want to take a step back and look at the assistant coach thing a bit more. I have no inside knowledge at all but Cresswell has moved on pretty quickly (or been moved on) when he doesn't have anywhere to go to. Also the Geelong players were very strong in saying they didn't want him back as the coach when it looked like Bomber was being let go. There may be some fire amongst the smoke coming out of Ackers a$$.

No, I have now had time to reconsider and I still feel exactly the same.

Even IF he was not the leak, it has not been the only reason he has been in trouble with the club and playing group this year. If the leak was all that he had done, then maybe you could excuse him for being bitter, b ut it was not.

Now six weeks ago, I was speaking to a relative of Aka, who naturally was very loyal to him. She was very quick to point out that it was not Aka who was the leak, it was ....... and named another player.

His performance last night was a joke, a very very bad one as well.

[Bayslions]

I liked Aka but agree he is a complete tool. I liked the question they had for Brown on Aka, if I was Aka next year when he comes up agaist Brisbane, get injured during training and miss the game. The way Aka is going he will never get an invite to any premiership reunion at the club.

[kimp]

There's nothing to say that they both weren't passing stuff onto the media.

[CROW4ME]

This guy is a tool, he is burning a lot of bridges and making no friends at all !!!...maybe that is what he wants ?? :thumbsd:

[campbell]

There's nothing to say that they both weren't passing stuff onto the media.

IF, thats true.It makes you wonder why all of a sudden this season 2 insiders feel the need to leak stuff.Whats changed this season, to make them unhappy with whats happening.

Who knows, ahh yes, the media knows.One person has said all along they didn't do it, strongly upset at being accused.

[scott522]

everyone is having their 2 cents worth on this so here's another theory to add to the conspiracy...we no longer have a media manager - there's another employee that was gone very quickly with everyone left asking why ? at the end of the day, i don't think we'll ever really know...
as for Jason, i think it's time to build the bridge mate, before everyone forgets what you do best - play footy...and i'm sure the mcgrath leaving us stories will get louder when people will notice that ash will not be at club champ - he's best man on sat 7th for a wedding back home...

[BrisGirl]

Tonight he decided to bag the club over its financial position and the sacking of Shane Johnson. From there he decided to tell us all the Mal and Vossey were going to retire, and the bombshell of "it wasn't me that was leaking information, it was 'an assistant coach who is no longer at the club'" Apparently Cressa has also leaked that Blacky will win the B&F. Gee I think that result will surprise us all.

OK......Lets start this statement with...

"it wasn't me that was leaking information, it was 'an assistant coach who is no longer at the club'"

and then finish with " bag the club over its financial position and the sacking of Shane Johnson. From there he decided to tell us all the Mal and Vossey were going to retire and Blacky will win the B&F"

Now, who again is the leak and gossiper?

[campbell]

he was asked if he thought Vossy and Mal would be there next year.he said no.A lot of people have given the same answer, but because he did he is bad....

A lot of unhappy staff at our club, if what he said is true.Budget cuts, and the CEo getting a raise.Thats not rocket science.We all know we have problems in retaining our staff over the last few years.

[spoke4923]

Can someone explain exactly what was said last night? I missed the show but it sounds like Jason was being his usual self. Was Jon Brown on? Did he say something about Aker? BTW, if we do run out of players next season, could someone please pass on to Leigh that I'm free most saturdays but i work part time saturday nights so i mightn't be able to play every week. Cheers.

[skilts]

What a bunch of chuckin' farmers some posters on this board are. They've gone from plans to boo a former player to orchestrating violent assaults on him. Sorry, footy was never about this for me.

The one good thing to come out of all of this is that Aker has exposed these vile excuses for human beings for what they are. That he has stuck it so far up their quoits that their eyes are watering, is an unexpected bonus. Why don't you turkeys go and follow Collingwood? You'd fit in perfectly with that load of ferals.

"But I'm a passionate Lions supporter", they bleat. I don't see that as a reason to disengage the brain. Thank Christ most of them live in Brisbane. That place and they deserve each other.

[black_hart]

While I don't agree with planning any real violence on the field a little bit of biffo or whatever is ok. Look at Glenn Archer and Carey,it's quite normal as long as it doesn't get out of hand.

As for the other stuff for ages I've been a staunch Aker fan and always defended him in the past but this is just too much. Even if the club has financial problems it's classless to use this to attack the club IMO. And then he had a go at Browny,sure all in good fun,but there was venom behind it and it dragged poor Browny down to his petty level.

As I said used to love this guy but now he's become a complete tool.

[Chasing the Dream]

What a bunch of chuckin' farmers some posters on this board are. They've gone from plans to boo a former player to orchestrating violent assaults on him. Sorry, footy was never about this for me.

The one good thing to come out of all of this is that Aker has exposed these vile excuses for human beings for what they are. That he has stuck it so far up their quoits that their eyes are watering, is an unexpected bonus. Why don't you turkeys go and follow Collingwood? You'd fit in perfectly with that load of ferals.

"But I'm a passionate Lions supporter", they bleat. I don't see that as a reason to disengage the brain. Thank Christ most of them live in Brisbane. That place and they deserve each other.

Footy also has never been about back stabbing you mates like Aka seems to be doing.

I like many on this board have stood up for Aka through countless assults at us by opposition supporters, however, when is enough actually enough. How many times were we going to defend him?

I am over him, and if you are not, that is great as it is your opinion and opinions is what this is all about.

Thanks for the advice to follow Collingwood, but yes "I am a passionate Lions fan" and I hate to see the club being made fun of by one who has made his name through the club, or maybe he has forgotten that.

[skilts]

Thanks for the advice to follow Collingwood, but yes "I am a passionate Lions fan" and I hate to see the club being made fun of by one who has made his name through the club, or maybe he has forgotten that.

Sorry to tell you, but the club is making itself a laughing stock. Aker need contribute nothing to the project. Aker would have made a name for himself, no matter for which club he played.

[Chasing the Dream]

Sorry to tell you, but the club is making itself a laughing stock. Aker need contribute nothing to the project. Aker would have made a name for himself, no matter for which club he played.

Not all clubs would have stood by him during his personal problems he had during the late 90's either.

[Malibu#27]

IF, and that's a big if, the leak thing really was Cresswell, then does Aker think he's been unfairly blamed? Is all of this stuff his "act of revenge"?


Thats the impression I got last night.


It might be a case of (at least in his head) - hey you hung me out to try and assumed it was me - but it wasn't ... heres your guy now go **** yourself.


Petty he couldnt make his point in a more classy way.

[BigCat2]

Thats the impression I got last night.

It might be a case of (at least in his head) - hey you hung me out to try and assumed it was me - but it wasn't ... heres your guy now go **** yourself.

Petty he couldnt make his point in a more classy way.

He's just too self-centred and precious, and will take things personally (really, when was the last time he thought about something without considering himself first?). Even if the club has done no wrong to him, he'll still feel victimised.

[lionlova]

Didn't Aka also say that the club had made a loss of around 1.2 million?

[BigCat2]

Didn't Aka also say that the club had made a loss of around 1.2 million?

It's no secret that we're headed for a big loss this year. Still it's not something you'd ever hear a player comment on.

However he might feel in his mind, I'm afraid the man has completely lost the plot.

[campbell]

It's no secret that we're headed for a big loss this year. Still it's not something you'd ever hear a player comment on.

However he might feel in his mind, I'm afraid the man has completely lost the plot.

its been reported widely in the media in Qld recently about our loss.

[Grimreepah]

How did Aker convince the Aker Backers he can do no wrong? This is one of the most pathetic things I've seen, and people are still defending him:confused:

[BigCat2]

Yes I understand that campbell. I just mean that it's pretty poor form for a player - any player - to comment on the financial situation of a club.

[lionlova]

We shouldn't be taking what Aka has to say about the Voss and Michael situation too seriously. Last year, Aka said that he had some very good and reliable sources into the Power situation, stating that Luke was almost certain to leave.

[BigCat2]

We shouldn't be taking what Aka has to say about the Voss and Michael situation too seriously. Last year, Aka said that he had some very good and reliable sources into the Power situation, stating that Luke was almost certain to leave.

That's right, I'm not influenced at all by what Aker has to say on Vossy and Mal.

Even with out him opening his hole in the face, at the moment I have both of those players less than even chance of staying on.

[FattyLumpkin]

I'd just love Aka to button the lip & let his footy do the talking next year - for whoever.

The comp is poorer for his absence. It needs magicians like him kicking goals (ala the Geelong game a couple of years back).

[*Danni*]

Wow...........

Skilts, I have to agree with you.

What is surprising me the most is people are so willing to 'shoot the messenger' here, yet don't seem to have too much concern over if what he said is true, and if it is, why is it happening?

Akermanis is Akermanis. Always has been, always will be. I know a certain psychologist (not Jauncey) in Brisbane who while talking to an assitant coach and the welfare manager 2 years ago about other issues told them how the club relationship with Aker would end in tears and be played out in the media by both parties as the club tried to play catch up to Akers comments, and why it was likely to end that way. They laughed. Hell, I laughed. I had a call from him about 30 mins ago, I apologised for laughing :(

[kimp]

Danni that just reflects on the player not the club.

While I agree it's rather extreme to be talking about causing physical damage to Aker, I really don't think anyone here actually means it. I think it reflects the huge disappointment in a former favoured son.

[*Danni*]

Danni that just reflects on the player not the club.

While I agree it's rather extreme to be talking about causing physical damage to Aker, I really don't think anyone here actually means it. I think it reflects the huge disappointment in a former favoured son.

Oh look I fully agree with you on that kimp.

I'm just not convinced that there isn't fire behind the smoke coming from Akers mouth. And in all honesty, we ALL know what he's like. Surely after all these years, and especially the last 6 months, we as supporters are capable of looking at this sort of stuff but go past the mouthpiece and look at the issues.

Yes it is bloody disappointing - and no I haven't seen or heard the interviews - but sheez, in reality did any of us really honestly expect any better? Hope that it would be different? Yes. But deep down expect any different behaviour? No.

I'm more worried about the content, and why things have gotten to this stage in the way the content is being delivered.

[campbell]

Yeah, red heads never go quietly.Especiallly when they feel they have been wronged.

I remember a few years ago, our other beloved red head Leppa, getting dragged for something and doing his nut on the sidelines and giving it to the coach.Funny stuff.Red heads are firey, gotta love em.

[xplo]

Bit of a difference between a 10 second dummy-spit in the heat of a game to a consistent, three month, coolly orchestrated attack.

I know which one of em I'm lovin'.

[kimp]

See Danni I agree that the club didn't handle things perfectly. They let Aker get away with things for too long. I think this is because they knew very well that he was a loose cannon and they were afraid of exactly what's happened. Aker is a huge personality for the Lions and the kiddies love him - a potential (and realised) huge PR disaster.

However once Aker's actions started to significantly negatively impact the club (especially the young players) then they had to do something.

What everyone forgets is that the only statement by the club was clearly looked over with a legal eye and therefor does not contain anything that they could not back up. That list clearly indicates some of the behaviours that Aker has partaken - all a concern to any organisation.

Aker has the emotional intelligence of a child. People that self-obsessed just do not survive in the real world.

The thing that makes me most angry is the impact on Vossy and resulting impact on his potential decision to retire this year.

As far as the football dept is concerned I'm hoping for a cleanout. There were far too mnay injuires this year and we need some new ideas.

[konstas_87]

ignoring the nnappropriateness of the way it came out...
can anyone actually confirm it was cresswell??
why would he do this??

not so worried about him being pushed on now... if this did become fact, i doubt he'll be able to get a senior coaching job anytime soon.

[campbell]

See Danni I agree that the club didn't handle things perfectly. They let Aker get away with things for too long. I think this is because they knew very well that he was a loose cannon and they were afraid of exactly what's happened. Aker is a huge personality for the Lions and the kiddies love him - a potential (and realised) huge PR disaster.

However once Aker's actions started to significantly negatively impact the club (especially the young players) then they had to do something.

What everyone forgets is that the only statement by the club was clearly looked over with a legal eye and therefor does not contain anything that they could not back up. That list clearly indicates some of the behaviours that Aker has partaken - all a concern to any organisation.

Aker has the emotional intelligence of a child. People that self-obsessed just do not survive in the real world.

The thing that makes me most angry is the impact on Vossy and resulting impact on his potential decision to retire this year.

As far as the football dept is concerned I'm hoping for a cleanout. There were far too mnay injuires this year and we need some new ideas.


So who would you clean out of the footy department.

[beatnik]

What a bunch of chuckin' farmers some posters on this board are. They've gone from plans to boo a former player to orchestrating violent assaults on him. Sorry, footy was never about this for me.

The one good thing to come out of all of this is that Aker has exposed these vile excuses for human beings for what they are. That he has stuck it so far up their quoits that their eyes are watering, is an unexpected bonus. Why don't you turkeys go and follow Collingwood? You'd fit in perfectly with that load of ferals.

"But I'm a passionate Lions supporter", they bleat. I don't see that as a reason to disengage the brain. Thank Christ most of them live in Brisbane. That place and they deserve each other.

vile? c'mon i think you're being a bit melodramatic, skilts

do you think anyone here was really advocating illegal violence? i would be happy to see chris scott or copeland rough him up a little to even the score but no more than any standard Brisbane vs Essendon clash

That place? you share a city with those Collingwood ferals, so are you saying that you are automatically a dirty football feral by association?

i think would be a 'vile' thing to say! ;)

:p

[beatnik]

So who would you clean out of the footy department.

the whole department, every single one of 'em...that'll learn us! :rolleyes:

just out of interest, campbell, Starcevich got bumped at St Kilda for there being too many injuries this year...

...do you think that vindicate our club's decision or do you still think we made a mistake letting him go?

[campbell]

I have no idea on starch.We used the same excuse in getting rid of him, and we had a bad year injury wise.So something must be wrong elsewhere in the department.Not a clue what.Starsc was always going to be a scapegoat at St Kilda though.Who would want a gig at that club.


I think we should have exercise phyiologists and biomecs involved though.

[*Danni*]

As far as the football dept is concerned I'm hoping for a cleanout. There were far too mnay injuires this year and we need some new ideas.

I really want to expand on this one, but will do it the Johnson thread, because I think it would take this one even more off topic.

[skilts]

vile? c'mon i think you're being a bit melodramatic, skilts

do you think anyone here was really advocating illegal violence? i would be happy to see chris scott or copeland rough him up a little to even the score but no more than any standard Brisbane vs Essendon clash

That place? you share a city with those Collingwood ferals, so are you saying that you are automatically a dirty football feral by association?

i think would be a 'vile' thing to say! ;)

:p

What score? Company sacks employee. Employee described as being disloyal to company for putting his side of the story. Customers, former fellow-employees and shareholders spit vitriol at, and threaten violence against sacked employee. Just another day in the world of business.

[beatnik]

What score? Company sacks employee. Employee described as being disloyal to company for putting his side of the story. Customers, former fellow-employees and shareholders spit vitriol at, and threaten violence against sacked employee. Just another day in the world of business.

the score? obviously i am talking about the cheap shots he has taken at the club SINCE he and the club called a truce

up until that point i supported both Aker and the club and hoped for a graceful exit from the scenario and would have happily cheered for aker in his new colours (against anyone but the lions)

now i am thoroughly disappointed in him and cant believe he is the same player who i have watched every year since he was a schoolkid running around with Mayne in the early 90s

[*Danni*]

the score? obviously i am talking about the cheap shots he has taken at the club SINCE he and the club called a truce

up until that point i supported both Aker and the club and hoped for a graceful exit from the scenario and would have happily cheered for aker in his new colours (against anyone but the lions)

now i am thoroughly disappointed in him and cant believe he is the same player who i have watched every year since he was a schoolkid running around with Mayne in the early 90s



Surely I'm not the only one that heard he was apparently 'gagged' under threat of something or another until the lions season ended and further until his contract was up/traded. To be honest because of that I have absolutely no shock at what has happened. Push someone like him into a corner and they are going to find ways and means of getting their point out without totally crossing the drawn line.

I'm not saying it's right, or good, or that I'm enjoying it or anything like that. I'm just saying quite simply, I'm not surprised.

[beatnik]

I have no idea on starch.We used the same excuse in getting rid of him, and we had a bad year injury wise.So something must be wrong elsewhere in the department.Not a clue what.

me neither...i honestly wonder how much of these things are chance vs preparation

for example, i have wondered whether the harder grounds and drier conditions in Brisbane have contributed to the injury list over the years? how much did the kokoda trail have an impact? is it related to the vaccum in mid-tier players which has seen us throw inexperienced and under-developed bodies into the frey? are we drafting injury-prone players? Are we preparing our bodies in the best way to give ourselves every chance to stay fit?

...or is the difference between a successful and a disappointing year (relative to your position on the premiership 'clock') all just a case of needing some luck to go with you?

Starsc was always going to be a scapegoat at St Kilda though.Who would want a gig at that club.

true

I think we should have exercise phyiologists and biomecs involved though.

I have seen some debate this year about the Lions strength and conditioning department and that our structure might not be ideal - but it's not really an area i know much about

campbell can you or anyone explain to me how our department is set up compared to others? which are some of the benchmark or 'best practice' clubs with regards to sports medicine?

[beatnik]

Surely I'm not the only one that heard he was apparently 'gagged' under threat of something or another until the lions season ended and further until his contract was up/traded. To be honest because of that I have absolutely no shock at what has happened. Push someone like him into a corner and they are going to find ways and means of getting their point out without totally crossing the drawn line.

I'm not saying it's right, or good, or that I'm enjoying it or anything like that. I'm just saying quite simply, I'm not surprised.

i guess i was a little naive and expected him to keep the moral high ground and leave Brisbane as a the martyred local hero - he knows what he's doing though in terms of public relations so i guess it all fits into his wider plan

and in fairness to some of the posters here who are voicing their anger against Aker, perhaps we should acknowledge that they have also been pushed into a corner somewhat and been forced to choose between their loyalty to their club and a home-grown champion...might explain some of the vitriol :thumbsu:

[skilts]

the score? obviously i am talking about the cheap shots he has taken at the club SINCE he and the club called a truce

up until that point i supported both Aker and the club and hoped for a graceful exit from the scenario and would have happily cheered for aker in his new colours (against anyone but the lions)

now i am thoroughly disappointed in him and cant believe he is the same player who i have watched every year since he was a schoolkid running around with Mayne in the early 90s

So, you think he's being disloyal to an employer who sacked him. Not only are you disappointed that he's not taken it lying down, but you think he should observe a truce instituted by the party with whom he's in conflict?

What's in it for Aker to be compliant? Is it at all possible that people like yourself could think less of him? What makes you think he gives a toss what anyone from Brisbane thinks. He has moved on, so should you.

[*Danni*]

campbell can you or anyone explain to me how our department is set up compared to others? which are some of the benchmark or 'best practice' clubs with regards to sports medicine?

To be honest, I would say that our setup was benchmark for other clubs for a very long time. And if that has fallen, it is only in the last 18 months. Ours was so outstanding that I don't think (well at least haven't heard of) the setup as a whole at any other club aspired to the way ours as a whole was. Certainly there would be bits n pieces from others that people might now aspire too, but not as a whole as it used to be with us.

[kimp]

I know the club is looking into exactly this right now.

As for Starc, I had heard rumblings about him fromother sources in Brisbane well before he was pushed. Considering St Kilda's coach has gone they didn't need another scapegoat. Two clubs has given him the flick in less than 1 year - surely that's indicative of something.

[kimp]

So, you think he's being disloyal to an employer who sacked him. Not only are you disappointed that he's not taken it lying down, but you think he should observe a truce instituted by the party with whom he's in conflict?

What's in it for Aker to be compliant? Is it at all possible that people like yourself could think less of him? What makes you think he gives a toss what anyone from Brisbane thinks. He has moved on, so should you.

I think the point is that he has manipulated the sitation to try to get exactly what he wants - to play in Melbourne next year. In a team sport to put yourself so blatantly and publicly before the team is anathema to what people love about team sports.

The sad thing is that by doing what he's been doing lately he's actually lowered his own tradeability and thereby diminished his bargaining power.

[campbell]

I know the club is looking into exactly this right now.

As for Starc, I had heard rumblings about him fromother sources in Brisbane well before he was pushed. Considering St Kilda's coach has gone they didn't need another scapegoat. Two clubs has given him the flick in less than 1 year - surely that's indicative of something.


So who or what do you thing needs changing the footy department.Also who is in final charge is it still lethal?

Freo have a biomechanist on staff, the Melbounre Storm have used him to correct a problem with the kicking technique of their kicker.
Exercise Physiologists devise specific individualised exercise programs.High tech stuff., need extra quals to be able to do this on top of a good human movement degreee, not a micky mouse one.

[campbell]

I think the point is that he has manipulated the sitation to try to get exactly what he wants - to play in Melbourne next year. In a team sport to put yourself so blatantly and publicly before the team is anathema to what people love about team sports.

The sad thing is that by doing what he's been doing lately he's actually lowered his own tradeability and thereby diminished his bargaining power.


I think its the red head mentality.Unless you are or have lived with red heads, its hard for some people to fathom their way of thinking.

I have 2 red head sisters.Stubbon as mules.If they feel wronged, they will walk over hot coals until they think they have corrected their worng.I can only assume Akak, didn't like being humiliated publically like he was and is like a cornered feral cat, one mean sob coming out swinging.

[chapmanmagic35]

It'll just be sad that one day when there will be premiership re-unions, he may have burnt so many bridges that people might not want him back.

[sherminator]

Aker has just about severed all his relationships with Brisbane. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get necked next season. He is going to be into some rough treatment that is sure.

Plus now he'll have 16 clubs booing him, because I know 10-15 Doggies supporters that hate, loather, despise Aker alot. :rolleyes:

[beatnik]

So, you think he's being disloyal to an employer who sacked him.

no you said employer...i think he has put himself before the good of the group in a team sport and that makes me think less of him

Not only are you disappointed that he's not taken it lying down, but you think he should observe a truce instituted by the party with whom he's in conflict?

What's in it for Aker to be compliant? Is it at all possible that people like yourself could think less of him?

copwhat laying down? he seems to be the one firing all the bullets and spitting all the dummies

the truce obviously suited him at the time because he obviously agreed to it or was contractually bound to do so...therefore he has either broken a promise or a contract...he has certainly broken team rules and they are the ones, ultimately who rejected him

as for the club, they haven't said one word out of place since that truce was called - they have held their nerve under pressure and will be better for it when all is said and done (if that time ever comes on this issue :rolleyes: )

What makes you think he gives a toss what anyone from Brisbane thinks.

i have never pretended he cares what you or i think

He has moved on, so should you.

this is so far from the truth that I actually wonder if you thought it through before you wrote it??

clearly he has not moved on which is why he is carrying on like a pork chop rather than making a graceful exit

[black_hart]

It's quite clearly the other way around.

The lions are trying to move on and get a decent trade but aker obviously still has major issues and can't move on.

[xplo]

this is so far from the truth that I actually wonder if you thought it through before you wrote it??



Yes, I was thinking as I read that "Is he trying to be cleverly ironic?" I read it two or three more times before gradually coming to the realisation it was perhaps just the silliest sentence ever composed on Bigfooty.

And that, my friend, is something to put in your sig file. :thumbsu:

[skilts]

no you said employer...i think he has put himself before the good of the group in a team sport and that makes me think less of him



copwhat laying down? he seems to be the one firing all the bullets and spitting all the dummies

the truce obviously suited him at the time because he obviously agreed to it or was contractually bound to do so...therefore he has either broken a promise or a contract...he has certainly broken team rules and they are the ones, ultimately who rejected him

as for the club, they haven't said one word out of place since that truce was called - they have held their nerve under pressure and will be better for it when all is said and done (if that time ever comes on this issue :rolleyes: )



i have never pretended he cares what you or i think



this is so far from the truth that I actually wonder if you thought it through before you wrote it??

clearly he has not moved on which is why he is carrying on like a pork chop rather than making a graceful exit

It really hurts when the bully and dictator is rendered powerless. It seems some of his style has rubbed off on our supporters.

Aker has moved on because he now making heaps of money from another employer. Channel 9 pays him to comment.That he takes the opportunity to stick it up Matthews and the 12 wise men should surprise nobody. That this p1sses people like Matthews and yourself off is merely a bonus.

The thing I don't get is why everyone on these boards is taking this thing so personally. Football is a business. No room for sentiment. If you doubt this, just ask the delistees of the past ten years.

[skilts]

Yes, I was thinking as I read that "Is he trying to be cleverly ironic?" I read it two or three more times before gradually coming to the realisation it was perhaps just the silliest sentence ever composed on Bigfooty.

And that, my friend, is something to put in your sig file. :thumbsu:

You might be able to comprehend better if you place your index finger on each word as you come to it. I know this might make your screen a little messy, but it will obviate the necessity to read the words over and over again. Another effective strategy is to say the words aloud as you read. If you feel this is going too far, and might cause you embarrassment, try mouthing the words silently.

If you continue to have difficulty, I'd recommend a remedial reading class.

[leaper]

It really hurts when the bully and dictator is rendered powerless. It seems some of his style has rubbed off on our supporters.

Aker has moved on because he now making heaps of money from another employer. Channel 9 pays him to comment.That he takes the opportunity to stick it up Matthews and the 12 wise men should surprise nobody. That this p1sses people like Matthews and yourself off is merely a bonus.

The thing I don't get is why everyone on these boards is taking this thing so personally. Football is a business. No room for sentiment. If you doubt this, just ask the delistees of the past ten years.

Skilts

What you say is correct Channel Nine pay him, he now has a far larger audience and he has the opportunity to make statements be they true or not. Cresswell will never get the right of reply to something that would be devastating for his career prospects. He can make all the outlandish statements he likes with no fear of reprisal. Matthews and the Lions can't use the same forums that he does. They can choose to remain silent.

I don't wish Aka any harm, I hope he can play out the final years of his career and play some great footy. I just wish he would shut up, for all the things the lions may have done wrong by him, they have also done a lot of things right. How do you think Aka would have been in a down the list team like Richmond or Hawthorn who have not had success for a long time. Aka's team mates have made Aka look good eg Voss, Lappin, Power, Brown, Hart etc, they got the hard balls which enabled Aka to use his unique skills. You will notice in GF week Aka is still creating headlines, I fear that he has created his own monster, and this will create issues for his new club be it the Bulldogs or another.

[skilts]

Skilts

What you say is correct Channel Nine pay him, he now has a far larger audience and he has the opportunity to make statements be they true or not. Cresswell will never get the right of reply to something that would be devastating for his career prospects. He can make all the outlandish statements he likes with no fear of reprisal. Matthews and the Lions can't use the same forums that he does. They can choose to remain silent.

I don't wish Aka any harm, I hope he can play out the final years of his career and play some great footy. I just wish he would shut up, for all the things the lions may have done wrong by him, they have also done a lot of things right. How do you think Aka would have been in a down the list team like Richmond or Hawthorn who have not had success for a long time. Aka's team mates have made Aka look good eg Voss, Lappin, Power, Brown, Hart etc, they got the hard balls which enabled Aka to use his unique skills. You will notice in GF week Aka is still creating headlines, I fear that he has created his own monster, and this will create issues for his new club be it the Bulldogs or another.

I reckon Aker's going to get exactly what he wants - a career in the media after football. Nothing he's done this year will adversely affect this. Quite the contrary in fact.

[leaper]

I reckon Aker's going to get exactly what he wants - a career in the media after football. Nothing he's done this year will adversely affect this. Quite the contrary in fact.

So you feel he can say what he likes?

[skilts]

So you feel he can say what he likes?

It would appear that you're implying that he's not entitled to say what he likes. If he never plays football again, he'll still be better off financially than 98% of his former team mates.

To answer your question, yes, he can say whatever he likes.

[campbell]

It would appear that you're implying that he's not entitled to say what he likes. If he never plays football again, he'll still be better off financially than 98% of his former team mates.

To answer your question, yes, he can say whatever he likes.

I wonder if Channel rex will pick him up for local coverage up here?
I assume he can do that if he is not playing?. but being paid by us.

[AndrewJo]

Aker has just about severed all his relationships with Brisbane. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get necked next season. He is going to be into some rough treatment that is sure.

Plus now he'll have 16 clubs booing him, because I know 10-15 Doggies supporters that hate, loather, despise Aker alot. :rolleyes:
Yes and those same Doggies will be heckling him when he suits up for them next year and kicks some miraculous goals....And pigs may fly!!

[blackclaw]

aker would love this

[corporal]

Do people think Leigh Matthews could have been more proactive during the breakdown of relations with Aka or is it purely Aka's fault everything has got so bad?.

Ultimately you guys should feel lucky that you have been able to watch such a brilliant player help bring you three premierships, a brownlow medal and countless exciting moments.

Regardless of the stupid fall out, much of which Aka may one day look back and regret, but ultimately you have been able to witness a number of years of brilliant football from him.

I on the other hand have had the pleasure of watching Richmond finish 9th every year and players of the ilk of Tivendale turnover the ball with flare and poise!

[Grimreepah]

Do people think Leigh Matthews could have been more proactive during the breakdown of relations with Aka or is it purely Aka's fault everything has got so bad?.

What should he have done?

Ultimately you guys should feel lucky that you have been able to watch such a brilliant player help bring you three premierships, a brownlow medal and countless exciting moments.

Been lucky to see quite a few brilliant players

Regardless of the stupid fall out, much of which Aka may one day look back and regret, but ultimately you have been able to witness a number of years of brilliant football from him.

Will depend on how much more he tries to harm the club

I on the other hand have had the pleasure of watching Richmond finish 9th every year and players of the ilk of Tivendale turnover the ball with flare and poise!

Lol:D

[BigCat2]

Grim you insomniac! :eek:

Moi?....I'm just staying up late surfing.... :rolleyes:

[Grimreepah]

Grim you insomniac! :eek:

Sometimes

Moi?....I'm just staying up late surfing.... :rolleyes:

Late night surfing. I know what that means;)

[BigCat2]

Late night surfing. I know what that means;)

Aye, some last minute reading on various reports and predictions about tomorrow's GF.....

What? Was it something I said? :D

[BrisGirl]

Do people think Leigh Matthews could have been more proactive during the breakdown of relations with Aka or is it purely Aka's fault everything has got so bad?.

Ultimately you guys should feel lucky that you have been able to watch such a brilliant player help bring you three premierships, a brownlow medal and countless exciting moments.

Regardless of the stupid fall out, much of which Aka may one day look back and regret, but ultimately you have been able to witness a number of years of brilliant football from him.

I on the other hand have had the pleasure of watching Richmond finish 9th every year and players of the ilk of Tivendale turnover the ball with flare and poise!

I appreciate your current disappointment of your team, Corporal, and if you look back on both Club history, Bears and Fitzroy, you can appreciate where all of us came from.

We have had a wonderful ride, euphoric, and all the boys that took us on that ride, will always hold a special place in our memory, even Aka.

You are right, it is a stupid fall-out because along the way, at sometime, this all came to point of no-turning back, it has become ugly.

Lion supporters, are angry, disappointed, bitter, because we really don't know what really happened, all we know is that Aka will not be playing for us anymore.

The thing is, every chance Aka gets, he attacks the very thing we all love, our Team and our Club and I will not let that pass, he will be held accountable for every distructive thing he throws at my team and club.

All I want is for him to shut up and help us move him on as smoothly as possible.

[Lady Lawrence]

Finally managed to finish watching the GF Footy show and I don't see what the problem is. It's not the message it's the messenger that seems to be the problem. Regardless of the messenger or the intent with which it was said, what was actually said are cold hard facts.

Didn't realise the relationship between Jason and Browny was quite so bad but can see it from both sides.

My fave comment of the night however was the original Aker that was so controversial that we all loved and embraced once upon a time - who's gonna win? - couldn't give a s**t!

[Grimreepah]

Finally managed to finish watching the GF Footy show and I don't see what the problem is.

:eek: You're kidding.

[black_hart]

Some of the stuff was cold hard facts but what was upsetting was these facts being used as ammunition to attack the lions.

Saw Caroline Wilson this morning said Creswell and Aker were supposed to be friends,and one reason for Creswell leaving was him defending Aker to Matthews. Nice guy isn't he?

The saddest thing is I used to love this guy & now find it hard to not hate him.

[irel]

Finally managed to finish watching the GF Footy show and I don't see what the problem is. It's not the message it's the messenger that seems to be the problem. Regardless of the messenger or the intent with which it was said, what was actually said are cold hard facts.

Didn't realise the relationship between Jason and Browny was quite so bad but can see it from both sides.

My fave comment of the night however was the original Aker that was so controversial that we all loved and embraced once upon a time - who's gonna win? - couldn't give a s**t!

That is the most naive and ill informed comment I have yet read on the whole Aker issue.

I would have thought it appropriate coming from the usual trolls associated with the "Defend Aker At All Costs" clan, but I had to look several times just in case I was mistaken that it was our moderator making the above statement.

You don't see anything wrong with an employee deliberately seeking and gathering material and subsequently using it on national television to maliciously damage and injure the organisation that has supported and nurtured him for twelve years and individuals within the same organisation.

You don't see anything wrong with an employee reading a litany of "so called" damaging material in front of 2.5 mil people, and if it wasn't for the direction of the hosts interjecting with the "ALLEGED" he would be now facing the courts big time. I suspect he may yet do so, once his association is ended with the Lions. Obviously the "IRONY" of him denying that he was the leak in the context of where and how he made those denials escaped you.

You don't see anything wrong of our dear Aker accusing another individual on national television of an act of treason.

You don't see anything wrong with the total disrespect shown to his teammates by revealing on national television two weeks prior of the B&F winner. How about in his next newspaper column he actually publishes Voss' speech to be delivered on the night. Nothing wrong with that, its a factual document after all!

As you say TROLLS to the left, SHEEP to the right!

[roostersgal4eva]

That is the most naive and ill informed comment I have yet read on the whole Aker issue.

I would have thought it appropriate coming from the usual trolls associated with the "Defend Aker At All Costs" clan, but I had to look several times just in case I was mistaken that it was our moderator making the above statement.

You don't see anything wrong with an employee deliberately seeking and gathering material and subsequently using it on national television to maliciously damage and injure the organisation that has supported and nurtured him for twelve years and individuals within the same organisation.

You don't see anything wrong with an employee reading a litany of "so called" damaging material in front of 2.5 mil people, and if it wasn't for the direction of the hosts interjecting with the "ALLEGED" he would be now facing the courts big time. I suspect he may yet do so, once his association is ended with the Lions. Obviously the "IRONY" of him denying that he was the leak in the context of where and how he made those denials escaped you.

You don't see anything wrong of our dear Aker accusing another individual on national television of an act of treason.

You don't see anything wrong with the total disrespect shown to his teammates by revealing on national television two weeks prior of the B&F winner. How about in his next newspaper column he actually publishes Voss' speech to be delivered on the night. Nothing wrong with that, its a factual document after all!

As you say TROLLS to the left, SHEEP to the right!
brilliant post - spot on

and this is not the first time

there are those who will defend aker no matter what and those who stand by thier club

the aka i use to love was yes, outspoken but NEVER denegraded the club in doing so...Whateve respect I and his ex team-mates have had has gone out the window.

Give him to the bulldogs for free for all I care - the sooner as he cuts all ties with us the better

[kimp]

...
Give him to the bulldogs for free for all I care - the sooner as he cuts all ties with us the better

That's the problem for me. I can't see him ever moving on. He's going to be making comments about our club for the rest of his life and I can only see them getting more and more negative. I just hope his next club puts some sort of gag condition in his contract.

I'm beyond caring whether what he says is fact or not. It is consistantly inappropriate and that's it for me.

[danielcanberra]

Aker was always outspoken. I reckon he should have been reigned in years ago, before his ego had inflated hugely (around 2002).

Perhaps it wouldn't have gotten so bad if the team psychologist had sent him and Matthews to a 'marriage' counsellor early on. Now they've ended up with a very bitter 'divorce' at the expense of the club.

[Rawhead]

That is the most naive and ill informed comment I have yet read on the whole Aker issue.

I would have thought it appropriate coming from the usual trolls associated with the "Defend Aker At All Costs" clan, but I had to look several times just in case I was mistaken that it was our moderator making the above statement.

You don't see anything wrong with an employee deliberately seeking and gathering material and subsequently using it on national television to maliciously damage and injure the organisation that has supported and nurtured him for twelve years and individuals within the same organisation.

You don't see anything wrong with an employee reading a litany of "so called" damaging material in front of 2.5 mil people, and if it wasn't for the direction of the hosts interjecting with the "ALLEGED" he would be now facing the courts big time. I suspect he may yet do so, once his association is ended with the Lions. Obviously the "IRONY" of him denying that he was the leak in the context of where and how he made those denials escaped you.

You don't see anything wrong of our dear Aker accusing another individual on national television of an act of treason.

You don't see anything wrong with the total disrespect shown to his teammates by revealing on national television two weeks prior of the B&F winner. How about in his next newspaper column he actually publishes Voss' speech to be delivered on the night. Nothing wrong with that, its a factual document after all!

As you say TROLLS to the left, SHEEP to the right!

If my emplyer accused me unjustly of behaviour I didnt do, cut my pay, and besmirched my character, all after years of loyal service, I reckon I'd be a bit peeved off as well. I'm not saying for certain thats what has happened, but really you have the same information I do, yet you seem to know more behind the story, else why would you assume all Aker says is lies?

Bottom line, if you assume for half a second that the main charge against Aker was fabricated, then maybe you could understand in part the frustration that must cause. A different person may just wear it, but Aker speaks his mind, and though he chose a different way of dealing with it than I would, I cant demonise him for it either.

You didnt see anything wrong with the club accusing Aker of treason, with no evidence that I have seen, but yet you think the player speaking his mind is akin to treason. This confuses me.

The club has decided that it no longer wants Akermanis as a servant, so in my mind Aker has no onus on him to show loyalty to an organisation that has shown none to him. I respect your right to judge his character for the way he handles himself, but personally I feel the club set the ground rules when they unceremoniously dumped him, and if they werent expecting fallout from that you would have to say they are naive.


The individuals on here who speak their mind against the popular and forceful majority, whether I agree with their opinion or not, show more individualism and bravery by holding and expressing an unpopular opinion then simply towing the party line IMO.

[irel]

If my emplyer accused me unjustly of behaviour I didnt do, cut my pay, and besmirched my character, all after years of loyal service, I reckon I'd be a bit peeved off as well. I'm not saying for certain thats what has happened, but really you have the same information I do, yet you seem to know more behind the story, else why would you assume all Aker says is lies?

What UNJUST behavior did the club accuse Akermanis? I would have thought the behavior was openly exhibited for all public consumption. It is a matter of what is acceptable to you and the personal standards that you accept in yourself and others that shapes your stand and position on this issue.

I can't recall when the club CUT Aker's pay and perhaps you can provide a link or evidence where the club has BESMIRCHED his character. Aker has done that quite competently without others help.

Where did I say or assumed ALL Aker says are lies?


You didnt see anything wrong with the club accusing Aker of treason, with no evidence that I have seen, but yet you think the player speaking his mind is akin to treason. This confuses me.

Perhaps you know more or have evidence to present where, when and who has accused Aker of treason. As far as I know it was Aker himself insinuating that the club thought he was the leak. I have never yet seen any evidence where the Club directly has stated that it was Aker. I have yet to see Leigh go on national television and be nothing but civil and professional in his dealings on all Aker matters.


The club has decided that it no longer wants Akermanis as a servant, so in my mind Aker has no onus on him to show loyalty to an organisation that has shown none to him. I respect your right to judge his character for the way he handles himself, but personally I feel the club set the ground rules when they unceremoniously dumped him, and if they werent expecting fallout from that you would have to say they are naive.

Aker is contracted to the Lions for season 07 or until such time he is traded to another club. That makes him an employee and a servant of the club with certain duties and responsibilities no matter how unpalatable they may be to Aker. There has been nothing but respect shown to Aker. So far no one from the club has commented or entered into a public slinging match with Aker.
"UNCEREMONIOUSLY" dumped him? Please tell me when did it happen? He himself stated he is prepared to play for the Lions in 07 if a trade to the Bulldogs does not eventuate. Once again, when was he dumped. Oh yeah there was a mutual agreement between the two parties with certain obligations on each party. How far that agreement has been adhered to depends on what was in the agreement and we are not privy to.


The individuals on here who speak their mind against the popular and forceful majority, whether I agree with their opinion or not, show more individualism and bravery by holding and expressing an unpopular opinion then simply towing the party line IMO.
Oh yeah, very individual and brave of you to place your support blindly on an individual hellbent on destroying the fabric of the club you presumably call yourself a supporter of. For all I know you may even be a paid member of the club. So, continue to be brave and individual, it is your choice how you see what is more important to you. Brisbane Lions or Jason Akermanis.

[campbell]

Irel...

I assume you mean me by this cutting comment.

an individual hellbent on destroying the fabric of the club

I take offence at that comment and ask for an apology.

[black_hart]

I'm thinking Irel is referring to our black sheep.

An apt description IMO.

[armagedon ready]

Irel...

I assume you mean me by this cutting comment.

an individual hellbent on destroying the fabric of the club

I take offence at that comment and ask for an apology.


Campbell, why are you so reactive and defensive? It seems to me that Irel was referring, with good cause, to Jason not you.

[Grimreepah]

If my emplyer accused me unjustly of behaviour I didnt do, cut my pay, and besmirched my character, all after years of loyal service, I reckon I'd be a bit peeved off as well. I'm not saying for certain thats what has happened, but really you have the same information I do, yet you seem to know more behind the story, else why would you assume all Aker says is lies?

What is this bismirching of character? Aker is the one doing all the talking. Even if he was unfairly done by, playing the conflict out in the media doesn't do anything but bring both parties down.

Bottom line, if you assume for half a second that the main charge against Aker was fabricated, then maybe you could understand in part the frustration that must cause. A different person may just wear it, but Aker speaks his mind, and though he chose a different way of dealing with it than I would, I cant demonise him for it either.

Why would you assume the charge is fabricated? You think the club ousts good players on a whim? Who else has the club fabricated charges against in order to get rid of?

You didnt see anything wrong with the club accusing Aker of treason, with no evidence that I have seen, but yet you think the player speaking his mind is akin to treason. This confuses me.

The difference is that Aker is making all his accusations in public. The club has to sack people all the time, why should we defend Aker just because he throws a tanty?

If he wants to defend himself there are proper ways to go about it. Acting like a spoilt brat is not one of them, and gives no indication to think he is in the right. In fact spreading gossip and divulging secrets leads me to think that it is very likely that he was the leak.

And the allegations against Creswell is just rumour mongering. It is just sabotaging someone's career and reputation based on what somebody supposedly told him. Until he provides something to back up those allegations it is just unsubstantiated gossip and anyone who pays any credence to that is just aiding in the spread of those rumours.

The club has decided that it no longer wants Akermanis as a servant, so in my mind Aker has no onus on him to show loyalty to an organisation that has shown none to him.

I disagree with that. The club has helped him become the player he is, despite his high maintenance. I think a lot of clubs would have been too scared to put up with someone so potentially destabilising and gotten rid of him a long time ago. How long do you think he would have lasted under Robert Walls?

The club has said that they wish to part ways which is always tough for everyone concerned but it is ultimately their right. All this mud slinging is just eroding a whole lot of friendships and good will that has been formed over the years.

I respect your right to judge his character for the way he handles himself, but personally I feel the club set the ground rules when they unceremoniously dumped him, and if they werent expecting fallout from that you would have to say they are naive.

Unceremoniously dumped him? How should they have sacked him?

Also the club laid out the ground rules of not discussing in house issues in the media. What are you supposed to do when someone continually breaks the rules? Players should be doing what they can to impress, not continually pushing the boundaries.

The individuals on here who speak their mind against the popular and forceful majority, whether I agree with their opinion or not, show more individualism and bravery by holding and expressing an unpopular opinion then simply towing the party line IMO.

To say that people who aren't sticking up for Aker are just towing the party line, is a bit insulting as you are suggesting they can't think for themselves.

I for one can see how Aker is carrying on and it absolutely appauling behaviour as far as I'm concerned. It vindicates the Lions decision in my mind because I don't want people like that involved at the Lions.

[irel]

Irel...

I assume you mean me by this cutting comment.

an individual hellbent on destroying the fabric of the club

I take offence at that comment and ask for an apology.
Read it again campbel. Where TF did you think I was referring to you? Unless the comment you are referring rings true to you.

I think you owe me an apology!

[armagedon ready]

[QUOTE=Lady Lawrence]Finally managed to finish watching the GF Footy show and I don't see what the problem is. QUOTE]

I find this comment most surprising. Within 30 seconds of sitting down, Jason had rattled off dirt about our CEO, (We may not like him but he is our CEO)
highlighted the poor financial position of the Club, appeared to criticise the Club for terminating an emplyee, made insinuating statements about one of our ex coaches and then revealed that he had been told by someone in authority that Simon Black would be our next Best and Fairest winner, whilst still apparently expecting us to believe that he is not a leaker of information Puleeeease.
Some of this may have been acceptable from a poorly diciplined dope on a Footy Show but I have never witnessed a such a deliberate attack before and I think even some on the Footy show were embarrassed for Jason.

[Rawhead]

What is this bismirching of character? Aker is the one doing all the talking. Even if he was unfairly done by, playing the conflict out in the media doesn't do anything but bring both parties down.


The club accused him of leaking information. This may well be true, but you have to also entertain the possibility it is not. If it is not, and was simply a case of pointing the finger at the most likely culprit, then I would regard that as besmirching a persons character.

I agree Jason should tone it down. He should have waited a while before saying anything so his actions wouldnt be interpreted as pure revenge and petty mudslinging. It has been disapointing.





Why would you assume the charge is fabricated? You think the club ousts good players on a whim? Who else has the club fabricated charges against in order to get rid of?


I dont assume it is. My point is, I also dont assume it isn't (fabricated), though I think the most likely scenario was jumping the gun on an accusation before knowing the full story, and then finding it'self in a situation impossible to backpedal out of.

He has a personality which possibly someone at the club found to hard to handle, and it is possible some agreements were reached even before Jason did anything to warrant the current situation. Assumig he did actually leak information anyway, it is very possible he didnt you know. We dont know, and wont know, exactly what happened for a while.



The difference is that Aker is making all his accusations in public. The club has to sack people all the time, why should we defend Aker just because he throws a tanty?

If he wants to defend himself there are proper ways to go about it. Acting like a spoilt brat is not one of them, and gives no indication to think he is in the right. In fact spreading gossip and divulging secrets leads me to think that it is very likely that he was the leak.


The thing that suprises me the most about people reactions to Akers comments was how they were about things which were easy to guess, or were generally public knowledge anyway. He didnt exactly give any real dirt now did he, except to name a man whose alledged indiscretions Jason wore the blame for. It that is indeed true, it is something I would like to know.

And the allegations against Creswell is just rumour mongering. It is just sabotaging someone's career and reputation based on what somebody supposedly told him. Until he provides something to back up those allegations it is just unsubstantiated gossip and anyone who pays any credence to that is just aiding in the spread of those rumours.


How exactly is this different to the club stating that Jason Akermanis was the supposed leak at the club? With what evidence did they have to back up their claim? With what little hard facts have been presented, it's not hard to make a claim that the club themselves fell victim to unsubstanciated gossip, and again unless someone here knows something I dont, the possibility that the club got it wrong cannot be ruled out and IMO entertaining the idea is not clutching at straws.



I disagree with that. The club has helped him become the player he is, despite his high maintenance. I think a lot of clubs would have been too scared to put up with someone so potentially destabilising and gotten rid of him a long time ago. How long do you think he would have lasted under Robert Walls?

The club has said that they wish to part ways which is always tough for everyone concerned but it is ultimately their right. All this mud slinging is just eroding a whole lot of friendships and good will that has been formed over the years.



His thighs probably arent developed enough for Robert Walls, so yes he probably wouldnt have lasted long.

Personally I think it is a two way street, they owed each other for their respective success.

Coaches put up with Chris Tarrants, Fraser Gehrigs, Byron Picketts, Ben Cousins, Micheal Gardiners, Stephen Milnes etc etc... I really dont think Aker is any worse, in fact is a fair sight more desireable to have on a team than quite a few others who are regarded as good players.

To say that people who aren't sticking up for Aker are just towing the party line, is a bit insulting as you are suggesting they can't think for themselves.



It is insulting, as is the idea that having a different viewpoint which is not completely in line with the clubs stance on something is being a troll or disloyal. I have no problem with people not liking Jason Akermanis, but I do have a problem when people start hassling those with different ideas about things to themselves, thinking they have a moral highground to stand on.


I for one can see how Aker is carrying on and it absolutely appauling behaviour as far as I'm concerned. It vindicates the Lions decision in my mind because I don't want people like that involved at the Lions.

Thats fair enough, and I respect your opinion.


My opinion is that the situation was poorly handled by the club, and then poorly handled by Jason Akermanis himself. Jason hasnt done himself any favours by recent comments, by I stand behind the idea that at heart is a good bloke who just wants the best for himself and his family.

We've watched a messy divorce, and they are never pretty, but I'm not about to take sides on the issue until what exactly happened this year is more clearly laid out, cause at the moment it's all chinese whispers and assumptions to me.


Using lots of quotes takes a bloody long time doesnt it, I must be doing this the hard way.

[Rawhead]

I can't recall when the club CUT Aker's pay and perhaps you can provide a link or evidence where the club has BESMIRCHED his character. Aker has done that quite competently without others help.


It seems reasonably public knowledge that whatever he got paid, and how high it may seem to a non elite sportsperson, it was voluntarily below his actual market value. To me that showed loyalty

The besmirching I went over in my rely to Grimreepah.

Perhaps you know more or have evidence to present where, when and who has accused Aker of treason. As far as I know it was Aker himself insinuating that the club thought he was the leak. I have never yet seen any evidence where the Club directly has stated that it was Aker. I have yet to see Leigh go on national television and be nothing but civil and professional in his dealings on all Aker matters.


I havent got a problem with Leigh, personally I think he has handled the situation admirably. In regards to the club insinuating that Aker was the leak, well what played out in the media a few months ago really seemed to hammer the point home that the Lions thought Aker was leaking information and were disciplining him for it.

It couldnt have been any clearer to me.


Aker is contracted to the Lions for season 07 or until such time he is traded to another club. That makes him an employee and a servant of the club with certain duties and responsibilities no matter how unpalatable they may be to Aker. There has been nothing but respect shown to Aker. So far no one from the club has commented or entered into a public slinging match with Aker.

Is he invited to the best and fairest?


Oh yeah, very individual and brave of you to place your support blindly on an individual hellbent on destroying the fabric of the club you presumably call yourself a supporter of. For all I know you may even be a paid member of the club. So, continue to be brave and individual, it is your choice how you see what is more important to you. Brisbane Lions or Jason Akermanis.

Get your finger out Irel, it's not a one or the other situation. To use the analogy of a divorce again, thats just what we are witnessing, nothing more. It's messy it's a bit catty, and 6 months down the track they turn around and think how stupid they acted and feel embarressed.

It is a one or the other to you, it's not to others, and thats just how it is.

I dont think one man has the power to destry the fabric of a club, only the Lions themselves could do that. Nothing Jason has said has eroded my support for the club one bit, all it has done is make me feel bad for Jason himself, cause it really seems to me that this is all very painful for him.

All I hope is that he moves on and gets back to playing brilliant football, because he is good for the game of AFL and it brings me pleasure to watch him play. Like Chris Judd I dont care who he plays for, I get chills down my spine just watching some of the things he can do.

[Grimreepah]

The club accused him of leaking information. This may well be true, but you have to also entertain the possibility it is not. If it is not, and was simply a case of pointing the finger at the most likely culprit, then I would regard that as besmirching a persons character.

That is an assumption, and why you would assume the worst of the club I am not sure. But to compare Aker's actions to the club's is way off IMO. The club just wants to part ways and be done with it, while Aker is making a concerted and sustained attack at the club.

He has a personality which possibly someone at the club found to hard to handle, and it is possible some agreements were reached even before Jason did anything to warrant the current situation. Assumig he did actually leak information anyway, it is very possible he didnt you know. We dont know, and wont know, exactly what happened for a while.

Well why do you think the club handled it poorly then?

The thing that suprises me the most about people reactions to Akers comments was how they were about things which were easy to guess, or were generally public knowledge anyway. He didnt exactly give any real dirt now did he, except to name a man whose alledged indiscretions Jason wore the blame for. It that is indeed true, it is something I would like to know.

Taking potshots and spreading gossip is poor form. I stand by that.

How exactly is this different to the club stating that Jason Akermanis was the supposed leak at the club?

The difference is massive. It is clear that Aker's motivations are to get at the club, whereas the club just wants to move on. Aker is playing this whole thing out in the media and the club is hamstrung because if they respond then they are shooting themselves in the foot with regard to trade negotiations. The difference is that I can see what a twat Aker is, but you are basing your accusations of the club on assumptions.

Coaches put up with Chris Tarrants, Fraser Gehrigs, Byron Picketts, Ben Cousins, Micheal Gardiners, Stephen Milnes etc etc... I really dont think Aker is any worse, in fact is a fair sight more desireable to have on a team than quite a few others who are regarded as good players.

While Aker's behaviour is legally and morally nowhere as bad as what other's have done, as far as the disruption to the team Aker's behaviour can be equally or more damaging because it directly impacts upon them.

It is insulting, as is the idea that having a different viewpoint which is not completely in line with the clubs stance on something is being a troll or disloyal.

I have no problem with people having a different opinion, but anyone who has a sustained and unrelentless attack on the club is a troll IMO and I think trolling should be discouraged on the Lions board.

Jason hasnt done himself any favours by recent comments, by I stand behind the idea that at heart is a good bloke who just wants the best for himself and his family.

I agree that he wants the best for himself and his family but I don't think he was being a good bloke when sullied Creswell's reputation based on what someone told him. Not after what Creswell has just been through.

Using lots of quotes takes a bloody long time doesnt it, I must be doing this the hard way.

Nah, it takes me ages as well:)

[*Danni*]

I think that for myself and probably Lady Lawrence as well (based on conversations we've had) our reactions and the 'what's the problem' attitude is because we're past/over/no longer affected by Aker's actions. What get's me fired up now is the content of what he says, not that he has or hasn't said anything. I'm more concerned about the actual message, not the messenger. I'm over it. He wants to carry on like a pork chop, well there's nothing I can do about it and it's not worth my energy getting upset about it. I know what he's like, he's always been the same, he's not going to change, so why bother getting worked up?

Now the financial problems he talked about. Yep that upsets me. The possibility that the leak was an 'official', yep that upsets me (doesn't suprise me seeing that Aker himself heard about the 12 wise mens decision from Andrew Hamiliton when he called and asked for his reaction - Aker hadn't heard about it from the Club first). It doesn't surprise me under those kinds of circumstances that Aker is still bitter and using his channels to let that be known. I don't like it, but it doesn't surprise me, I can't control it, so I don't let it bother me instead.

[irel]

It seems reasonably public knowledge that whatever he got paid, and how high it may seem to a non elite sportsperson, it was voluntarily below his actual market value. To me that showed loyalty

Back peddling. Your original comments clearly accused the club of CUTTING Aker's pay. Otherwise as you indicated it was voluntary below his actual market value. Once again, I am not aware of the club cutting his pay, otherwise it would be cause for litigation claims and the AFLPA would be involved.


In regards to the club insinuating that Aker was the leak, well what played out in the media a few months ago really seemed to hammer the point home that the Lions thought Aker was leaking information and were disciplining him for it.

It couldnt have been any clearer to me.

I can't comment on the clarity of your thinking without being personally insulting to you, but as I recall he was disciplined for "FAILURE TO FOLLOW AND ADHERE TO TEAM RULES AND DISCIPLINE AND PLAYING FORM". Nothing specific about the club penalising him for being the Alleged Leak.


Is he invited to the best and fairest?


After Leaking on National Television the name of the B&F winner? Who'd be a greater hypocrites the players accepting it as an Akerism or Aker for attending?
The B&F is about rewarding individuals who have made a significant positive contribution to the TEAM and the Club. To me it would be hypocritical if Aker is to attend after holding a loaded gun demanding that he be traded to the Bulldogs or else!

Personally I couldn't give a toss if he attended or not. I suspect others like Browny and Black and so on would prefer that he stay away.


Get your finger out Irel,

I don't think one man has the power to destry the fabric of a club, only the Lions themselves could do that.

My finger is well and truly out, but after this I wish it was at least half way in, cause it's F-ing giving me F-ing constipation.
I had you misjudged, you had my respect as a poster.


The fabric of a successful organisational dynamic is held by a very thin thread. Aker has had considerable influence in creating the success as well as destroying it. He has publicly stated that Revenge is his motivating factor. Destroying Leigh is his stated purpose in life.

Nuff of you for today.

[irish]

just listened to scott west on abc radio was not impressed about akas blabbing on the footy show didnt sound he will be welcome at the dogs ! unless he tones down , and we all know he wont ! so maybe the dogs wont get him afterall !