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celtic_pride

1 Oct 2006, 14:31

SA Blue

1 Oct 2006, 15:01

According to Caro on 3AW, the Hawks deal with Thornton is basically done.

Dunno if this is true or not, but I'm also sick of this cow constantly putting down our football club in everything we do.
She never mentions the positives liek Marc Murphy winning the AFLMVP best first year player etc ???
She is a troll who works in the media IMHO.

That was a fair edit!

I think we should just wait and see. Personally I would like him to stay, but if the deal was good enough, anyone is tradeable. He is important to our team, but in the long term he is a 3rd defender in the mould of Bassett.

Agree with the media having something against us. If we are able to get a few wins early next year, watch everyone change though.

C4[2]Yo`DooR

1 Oct 2006, 15:06

I wonder what the deal is ...

what we would be getting in return, im going to out on a limb an say:

Pick 24 + Whatever they get for Spida. (most likely to be another 2nd rounder)

Bennycoff

1 Oct 2006, 15:15

I'd be happy to get him. Plays so well as FB when really he is a 3rd best tall in a good side.

Two second rounders would be fair. Pick 24 and whatever we get from Everitt trade if there is one.

SA HAWK

1 Oct 2006, 15:23

HBF

1 Oct 2006, 15:25

I'd be happy to get him. Plays so well as FB when really he is a 3rd best tall in a good side.

Two second rounders would be fair. Pick 24 and whatever we get from Everitt trade if there is one.

I'd be happy with that.
Just a side note though. If Thornton has "gone", do you think that this will change our thinking come draft day and we might have a look at Hansen or Gumbleton to replace T-Bird?

Bronx Bomber

1 Oct 2006, 15:25

Yo`DooR']I wonder what the deal is ...

what we would be getting in return, im going to out on a limb an say:

Pick 24 + Whatever they get for Spida. (most likely to be another 2nd rounder)

If that is the deal, I'd be rapt!!

celtic_pride

1 Oct 2006, 15:27

That was a fair edit!

I think we should just wait and see. Personally I would like him to stay, but if the deal was good enough, anyone is tradeable. He is important to our team, but in the long term he is a 3rd defender in the mould of Bassett.

Agree with the media having something against us. If we are able to get a few wins early next year, watch everyone change though.

Yeah well I did realise that a lot of fans want T-Bird to stay
But I just don't know who to belive, cause Hutchy reckons he is staying.

whippersnipper

1 Oct 2006, 15:34

I'm still very confident that Thornton will stay. There are conflicting reports everywhere, and Caroline Wilson is a known Carlton-hater, so I dont trust her opnion as far as I can throw her. My only concern is that if we do have to trade him, we will suddenly become weak willed and trade him for less than he is worth.

C4[2]Yo`DooR

1 Oct 2006, 15:39

If that is the deal, I'd be rapt!!

I don't know if I'd be that happy with the deal .. considering Jon Hay went for 2 first rounders.

meanwhile Cole and Ted Richards went for similar deals as to what we might get for T-Bird.

Thornton >>> Cole, T Richards

Would be wrapped if the Hawks managed to land a first rounder somehow (if anyone can do it Pelchin and Buckanara can) for Spida.

Giving us: First Rounder + 24.

deluxeman

1 Oct 2006, 15:39

Wasn't she insistent last year that Fev was leaving?
I doubt anything is final yet and am still expecting Thornton to stay.

C4[2]Yo`DooR

1 Oct 2006, 15:41

Wasn't she insistent last year that Fev was leaving?
I doubt anything is final yet and am still expecting Thornton to stay.

But according to Fev ... a deal with Richmond apprantly was done and dusted and he was prepared to go over, untill the 11th hour.

C4[2]Yo`DooR

1 Oct 2006, 15:42

I'd be happy with that.
Just a side note though. If Thornton has "gone", do you think that this will change our thinking come draft day and we might have a look at Hansen or Gumbleton to replace T-Bird?

I think if Thornton goes ... we might look closer at Hansen (if were not doing so already).

but I dont think it would change anything too drastically. Nathan Brown could be selected as a second rounder as a future replacement for Thornton.

blues76

1 Oct 2006, 15:44

That was a fair edit!

I think we should just wait and see. Personally I would like him to stay, but if the deal was good enough, anyone is tradeable. He is important to our team, but in the long term he is a 3rd defender in the mould of Bassett.

Agree with the media having something against us. If we are able to get a few wins early next year, watch everyone change though.
3rd defender? at the moment he is our best defender.

whitnall is not a backman - he's gone on a big mobile forward
carlos is still learning
livo is a grazing cow
mcgrath is crap
bower has played a handful of games
scotland is more of a set up player

we lose thornton, we'll be in strife.

whippersnipper

1 Oct 2006, 15:46

deluxeman

1 Oct 2006, 15:48

Yo`DooR']But according to Fev ... a deal with Richmond apprantly was done and dusted and he was prepared to go over, untill the 11th hour.

Thats my point though, a lot can change in a couple of weeks especially during trade week. Trades fall through, players change their minds etc. Nothing is final yet, I'd be almost sure of that.

HBF

1 Oct 2006, 15:55

Yo`DooR']I think if Thornton goes ... we might look closer at Hansen (if were not doing so already).

but I dont think it would change anything too drastically. Nathan Brown could be selected as a second rounder as a future replacement for Thornton.

I think i'd prefer Gumbleton than Hansen at this stage.

C4[2]Yo`DooR

1 Oct 2006, 15:57

I think i'd prefer Gumbleton than Hansen at this stage.
If he (Gumbleton) can be played as a CHB then why not ...

Bronx Bomber

1 Oct 2006, 15:58

Fev last year, Thornton this year.....why dont they nip these things in the bud like other clubs do and sign them up earlier? Im sick and tired of always hearing these things about Carlton at the end of the year around trading time when most other clubs have signed their required players up by mid to late season. Its terrible management and I'm sick of it.

Fev was signed up half way through last year. It wasn't a matter of him being out of contract it was about whether we'd had enough of his attitude.

brown_2000au

1 Oct 2006, 15:59

If Thornton leaves, do you think a guy like Kellaway would be a good investment for a couple of years. He would come cheap 3rd or more probably a 4th rounder. He has alot of experience and can still hold his own against the big guns.

C4[2]Yo`DooR

1 Oct 2006, 16:00

brown_2000au

1 Oct 2006, 16:04

Youth policies are to restrictive. There is no point sending a team of in experienced backs out there to get slaughted each week and loose confidence. Richmond did well 2 years ago to secure Mark Graham cheaply. He was able to hold up a key position giving time for Will Thursfield to develope properly in the two's.

C4[2]Yo`DooR

1 Oct 2006, 16:08

whippersnipper

1 Oct 2006, 16:11

Fev was signed up half way through last year. It wasn't a matter of him being out of contract it was about whether we'd had enough of his attitude.
Sorry, my bad, I was thinking of Whitnall and Melbourne, but the principle is the same (and Lappin, and Campo). Why dont we get these things sorted out earlier, rather than waiting until frigging trade week. Just piss poor club management.

Teagueeee15

1 Oct 2006, 16:17

as0l0

1 Oct 2006, 16:41

Yo`DooR']would probably have been considered pre-Smorgans "youth" policy.

But not now.
yout policy is not owned by Smorgan, it's owned by the football departement and endorsed by the board

Effes

1 Oct 2006, 16:48

yout policy is not owned by Smorgan, it's owned by the football departement and endorsed by the board

:confused:

SA Blue

1 Oct 2006, 16:53

3rd defender? at the moment he is our best defender.

whitnall is not a backman - he's gone on a big mobile forward
carlos is still learning
livo is a grazing cow
mcgrath is crap
bower has played a handful of games
scotland is more of a set up player

we lose thornton, we'll be in strife.

That is why I said LONG TERM, he is definitely required now, but that is a reflection of our lack of KPP. IMO he is undersized for a KPP.

Bluebear

1 Oct 2006, 16:55

gibbs will remain no1 pick. If Thornton is let go it may be because we have secured Polak (agreed to go in PSD).
i.e. Polak + pick 24 + 15 (Spida) gives us 4 of top 20 plus Polak........I'd consider it.

blues4flag

1 Oct 2006, 17:07

Don't khow what to believe...some say he's gone others hes gonna stay. Guess we'll have to wait till after trade week to know for sure, enough speculating.

as0l0

1 Oct 2006, 17:13

:confused:
http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=301105

AlecDuncan

1 Oct 2006, 17:22

Yo`DooR']But according to Fev ... a deal with Richmond apprantly was done and dusted and he was prepared to go over, untill the 11th hour.
GENERIC BIGFOOTY STATEMENT:
<insert unfeasible event> was done and dusted, until - suddenly - it never happened.

C4[2]Yo`DooR

1 Oct 2006, 17:35

GENERIC BIGFOOTY STATEMENT:
<insert unfeasible event> was done and dusted, until - suddenly - it never happened.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20329184%255E20118,00.html

All week I thought I was going to Richmond. Greg Miller had been at my house, and I had a meeting with 'Plough' (Terry Wallace), so I thought I was off and was pretty excited about it. But then I sat down with Denis, a few things were said, a few home truths, we put a plan in place and we haven't looked back since.

Goodnight.

drusswaylander

1 Oct 2006, 17:40

yout policy is not owned by Smorgan, it's owned by the football departement and endorsed by the board

Fine he has now come out and said that, but that was not what he was saying earlier.
He was implying it was his policy now he is deflecting blame.
Why would Pagan watch Gardiner then (although Gardiner would have been a mistake)

Again we are getting contradictory statements and mixed messages. Much of it is not just the press it is their own statements that are confusing. The damn press doesn't help
The board apologists will have a go at me, but it is still a case of what are they doing.

I had no issue with the board at the end of the season and frankly I have been dismayed at what I have seen as us shooting ourselves in the foot again. There were a number of positives from the season which have been overshadowed by subsequent events.

Brown and the Elliott stirrers have not helped, but it has been how the board and the President has handled the pressure that has been the problem:thumbsd:

Premiership Quarter

1 Oct 2006, 17:46

Surely the Hawks wont get any better than a 3rd rounder for Everitt. A first or second rounder is a lot to give for 2 years service from a guy on the way out.

AlecDuncan

1 Oct 2006, 17:59

Yo`DooR']http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20329184%255E20118,00.html

Goodnight.
Let's see if I've got this straght. You say that an event that never happened supports your case that said event was "done & dusted".

I see...

Bennycoff

1 Oct 2006, 18:12

polak is a hack too.

Bluebear

1 Oct 2006, 19:00

Fine he has now come out and said that, but that was not what he was saying earlier.
He was implying it was his policy now he is deflecting blame.
Why would Pagan watch Gardiner then (although Gardiner would have been a mistake)

Again we are getting contradictory statements and mixed messages. Much of it is not just the press it is their own statements that are confusing. The damn press doesn't help
The board apologists will have a go at me, but it is still a case of what are they doing.

Gee what a shock.....Drusswaylander going off topic (Caro and Thornton) to have a go at the board. Just to help you get it clearer, here is what he said. Watch for the BOLD bits.

Carlton President Mr. Graham Smorgon today confirmed that the Carlton Football Club would not deviate from the current youth policy during the 2006 recruiting period.

Carlton’s youth policy was introduced two-years ago by the Carlton Football Club Board. The youth policy focuses on the future of the Club and the coaching staff developing the younger players.

“I wish to make it very clear that the Carlton Football Club will strictly adhere to the Club’s youth policy in the both the National and Pre-Season Drafts as well during the Trade Period” Mr. Smorgon said.

“A number of names have been linked to the Carlton Football Club in recent time. I want to make it clear that unless these players fit within our youth policy they will not come to the Club” Mr. Smorgon added.

“Our youth policy focuses on recruiting players 24-years of age or under with the view that the recruit, plays 5 years and 100 games for the Carlton Football Club.” Mr. Smorgon said.

“We will persevere with this youth policy and understand that it does bring the short term pain that we are experiencing. However, we did exceptionally well in the National Draft last year and we have the opportunities again this year with three selections in the top 20, including pick one, for a tremendous boost to our talented young list.” Mr. Smorgon added.

The Carlton Football Club will have selections 1, 17 and 19 in November’s National Draft and well as selection 1 in December’s Pre-Season Draft.

Doesn't sound like he claimed it at all. Maybe you should read more carefully before using this to take cheap shots at the board.
I suppose Gardiner was the only draftable player running around that day. DP may well have spoken to a number of young WA prospects about their futures - you don't know, I don't know, neither do the press......its called speculation.
The only reason you get dismayed is that you believe everything you get told, and yes, because this speculation is contradictory you get confused.
Apart from the week following the season with the coaching debarcle, what have the board done wrong since, apart from not inviting you to a private meeting to explain everything?
They have signed two of the young guns that need signing. Holding out on one that has five clubs chasing him (driving up his value and maybe securing us an above market price for him).
Everyone was blaming the board for playing out or problems through the media, yet no-one has congratulated them on signing Betts and Fisher without anyone catching wind of it.......funny, its easier to knock somone than it is to say well done, especially when you've got an axe to grind.

I don't like the way the Pagan thing was handled, but a large part of that was the media frenzy that ensued and the amount of BS rumours that were flying around.

Since then there has not been much to fault the board with.
Contract negotiations are never nice, or simple, especially when other clubs are involved, and the fact is we are trying to build the best team possible. Every year players become more and more expendable as we attempt to build the next Carlton premiership team. .....give em a chance.

drusswaylander

1 Oct 2006, 19:30

Gee what a shock.....Drusswaylander going off topic (Caro and Thornton) to have a go at the board. Just to help you get it clearer, here is what he said. Watch for the BOLD bits.

Doesn't sound like he claimed it at all. Maybe you should read more carefully before using this to take cheap shots at the board.
I suppose Gardiner was the only draftable player running around that day. DP may well have spoken to a number of young WA prospects about their futures - you don't know, I don't know, neither do the press......its called speculation.
The only reason you get dismayed is that you believe everything you get told, and yes, because this speculation is contradictory you get confused.
Apart from the week following the season with the coaching debarcle, what have the board done wrong since, apart from not inviting you to a private meeting to explain everything?
They have signed two of the young guns that need signing. Holding out on one that has five clubs chasing him (driving up his value and maybe securing us an above market price for him).
Everyone was blaming the board for playing out or problems through the media, yet no-one has congratulated them on signing Betts and Fisher without anyone catching wind of it.......funny, its easier to knock somone than it is to say well done, especially when you've got an axe to grind.

I don't like the way the Pagan thing was handled, but a large part of that was the media frenzy that ensued and the amount of BS rumours that were flying around.

Since then there has not been much to fault the board with.
Contract negotiations are never nice, or simple, especially when other clubs are involved, and the fact is we are trying to build the best team possible. Every year players become more and more expendable as we attempt to build the next Carlton premiership team. .....give em a chance.

:D Ahhh...all is revealed then mate:) Part of the Smorgon ticket are we:p
Although I'm not sure how I took it off topic as the discussion had already moved into the area of our youth policy.

HBF

1 Oct 2006, 19:36

I was listening to 3AW when this was said and i guess it comes down to who you believe. Caro said the deal with Hawthorn was a "done deal" yet Hutchy said 3 minutes later that thonton "was set to stay".

Just wait until Friday 13th at 2pm when trade week winds up. That will be the only time that we will know, unless he walks into the PSD.

Effes

1 Oct 2006, 19:46

I'm not sure that a youth policy was introduced 2 years ago given our recent drafting/trading. The evidence completely contradicts that Carlton introduced a youth policy two years ago.

SA HAWK

1 Oct 2006, 19:48

Just wait until Friday 13th at 2pm when trade week winds up. That will be the only time that we will know, unless he walks into the PSD.
He will be at carlton next year i am sure. I would be very surprised if he ends up at hawthorn. Just a media beatup to get more money on his contract.

Bluebear

1 Oct 2006, 19:57

Ahhh...all is revealed then mate Part of the Smorgon ticket are we:p

Wow.......the bit where you :p really sticks........still waiting for you to show where statements have been contradictory regarding youth policy, or where Smorgan led you to believe it was his and has now confused you.

:p :thumbsd: :mad: doesn't realy make an arguement.......;)

bluesfan

1 Oct 2006, 19:59

Fev last year, Thornton this year.....why dont they nip these things in the bud like other clubs do and sign them up earlier? Im sick and tired of always hearing these things about Carlton at the end of the year around trading time when most other clubs have signed their required players up by mid to late season. Its terrible management and I'm sick of it.

Absolutely spot on mate!!! This is exactly the type of thing that the Carlton Footy Club doesn't have to put up with, not that we haven't put up with all this crap for past couple years. I couldn't agree with you more!!!! Just sign these blokes up and get on with the offseason!!!

Bluebear

1 Oct 2006, 20:07

I'm not sure that a youth policy was introduced 2 years ago given our recent drafting/trading. The evidence completely contradicts that Carlton introduced a youth policy two years ago.

Show us the evidence effes, prove him wrong.

Let me save you the time.

Of the 20 players added to the list in the last 2 years, only 3 come under close attention (15%).
Chambers was just 25 when picked up, and Longmuir was 25 and 6 months.
Saddington is the only one who was well over.

1 out of 20........sack the board........pack of liars..............backflips by the truckload.......never trust them again........:rolleyes:

Do your research.

SA Blue

1 Oct 2006, 20:08

Absolutely spot on mate!!! This is exactly the type of thing that the Carlton Footy Club doesn't have to put up with, not that we haven't put up with all this crap for past couple years. I couldn't agree with you more!!!! Just sign these blokes up and get on with the offseason!!!

Fev was signed last year!!!

One player is out of contract and we all freak out. It is getting pathetic. Just wait to see what happens, then comment.

TheHeatleyStand

1 Oct 2006, 22:23

Should be signed on a 3 year contract soon.

TheHeatleyStand

1 Oct 2006, 22:26

Gee what a shock.....Drusswaylander going off topic (Caro and Thornton) to have a go at the board. Just to help you get it clearer, here is what he said. Watch for the BOLD bits.

Doesn't sound like he claimed it at all. Maybe you should read more carefully before using this to take cheap shots at the board.
I suppose Gardiner was the only draftable player running around that day. DP may well have spoken to a number of young WA prospects about their futures - you don't know, I don't know, neither do the press......its called speculation.
The only reason you get dismayed is that you believe everything you get told, and yes, because this speculation is contradictory you get confused.
Apart from the week following the season with the coaching debarcle, what have the board done wrong since, apart from not inviting you to a private meeting to explain everything?
They have signed two of the young guns that need signing. Holding out on one that has five clubs chasing him (driving up his value and maybe securing us an above market price for him).
Everyone was blaming the board for playing out or problems through the media, yet no-one has congratulated them on signing Betts and Fisher without anyone catching wind of it.......funny, its easier to knock somone than it is to say well done, especially when you've got an axe to grind.

I don't like the way the Pagan thing was handled, but a large part of that was the media frenzy that ensued and the amount of BS rumours that were flying around.

Since then there has not been much to fault the board with.
Contract negotiations are never nice, or simple, especially when other clubs are involved, and the fact is we are trying to build the best team possible. Every year players become more and more expendable as we attempt to build the next Carlton premiership team. .....give em a chance.

Dnt kid yourselves Denis had a Gardiner stiffy and was told he cant have him.

OZBomb

1 Oct 2006, 22:34

Caroline Wilson has no credibility at all, particuarly on issues involving Carlton.

There's a reason the Herald-Sun is the number 1 newspaper, because Mike Sheahan has more credibility in his little finger than Caro has. At least with Mike there seems to be a distinction between news and opinion.

If you check back on Caro's stories on Carlton, I'd say 1 out of 10 has legs. What can you expect from a Richmond supporter.

I mean she said that Mark Thompson shouldn't coach because he was losing too much weight... now that's journalism kids.

drusswaylander

1 Oct 2006, 23:39

Wow.......the bit where you :p really sticks........still waiting for you to show where statements have been contradictory regarding youth policy, or where Smorgan led you to believe it was his and has now confused you.

:p :thumbsd: :mad: doesn't realy make an arguement.......;)

Chillout mate I'm not the one who seems to be getting his knickers in a knot. Do you always bite so hard:) I didn't have time to write a treatise to respond to your well considered and objective arguments, but funnily enough I still got the reaction I expected.

Whether I prove my argument to you or not isn't exactly going to cause me to lose sleep and I'm sure you feel the same.

I think they are playing politics you don't. Oh well life goes on.

Bye the way Pagan himself said himself that he he looked at Gardiner, rather than it just being press speculation.

drusswaylander

1 Oct 2006, 23:44

Show us the evidence effes, prove him wrong.

Let me save you the time.

Of the 20 players added to the list in the last 2 years, only 3 come under close attention (15%).
Chambers was just 25 when picked up, and Longmuir was 25 and 6 months.
Saddington is the only one who was well over.

1 out of 20........sack the board........pack of liars..............backflips by the truckload.......never trust them again........:rolleyes:

Do your research.

Totally proved your point there mate:thumbsu: Read the statement again:D You can even highlight a few things. Perhaps the absolutes in the statement could be a start.

drusswaylander

1 Oct 2006, 23:47

Should be signed on a 3 year contract soon.

They can't afford not to sign him now:)

Jeremias

1 Oct 2006, 23:54

Since when heve we ever listened to what she had to say?

She is clueless.

Still hopeful that Bret will stay loyal to us and resist the move.

TheGeneral

2 Oct 2006, 00:23

Read post number 47. :thumbsu:

Caro is just trying to twist the knife in our back whilst we're down and especially after Sticks gave her that blast at the B & F.

Quality tabloid journalism.

Effes

2 Oct 2006, 00:49

Read post number 47. :thumbsu:

^^^^^
Smart cookie

JavaBlue

2 Oct 2006, 04:48

“Our youth policy focuses on recruiting players 24-years of age or under with the view that the recruit, plays 5 years and 100 games for the Carlton Football Club.” Mr. Smorgon said.

That pretty well describes Thornton. Hawks must have a similar policy only their's appears to be working.

For what it's worth, a senior Carlton player told me a few days ago that Thorny was "gone!" Hawks offer miles ahead of Carlton's offer.

celtic_pride

2 Oct 2006, 13:35

BTW Did anyone read this in Hutchy's column

THE Blues have upped the ante on luring young Docker Graham Polak to the club after last week making a submission for the former prized draft pick.

The Blues hierarchy met Polak last Thursday to pitch a case as to why he should join Carlton. Polak, who was taken at No. 4 in the 2001 draft, has played just once for Dockers since round 14 this season. With first pick in the pre-season draft, the Blues could grab him as an uncontracted player.

If we are talking to out of contract players already, can we assume that T-Bird has made his mind up to stay or go ???

dirk pitt

2 Oct 2006, 13:48

If we are talking to out of contract players already, can we assume that T-Bird has made his mind up to stay or go ???

One assumes that we would be talking to out of contract players regardless of the Thornton situation. Gettting Polak (if that is what the club is up to) may have an impact on what our final offer to Thornton is though.

pumped

2 Oct 2006, 14:06

Would be very peeved if we lost Thornton over money issues. If Stevo is taking 500k or close to surely we would be far better off with Thornton at 300k and offload Nick for draft picks. We want passionate people at the club and I would hate to see a repeat of Hamill going because he wanted an extra 50k and Campo being retained on 600-700k.

jj1978

2 Oct 2006, 14:07

Caro makes me sick.

Excuse me, saw a pic of her, need to go throw up.

DynamoUltra

4 Oct 2006, 01:01

According to one of the posters on Mighty Hawk, when the recruiting staff were asked about Thornton, they replied that Thornton had indicated he wanted to be at Hawthorn in 2007.

http://www.mightyhawk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=904

philhawk

4 Oct 2006, 01:29

DynamoUltra

4 Oct 2006, 01:46

You should have kept that a secret, mate. :p

Lol, I think everyone knows Thornton wants to come to Hawthorn, now it's even more official.

philhawk

4 Oct 2006, 01:48

Lol, I think everyone knows Thornton wants to come to Hawthorn, now it's even more official.

It's still pretty suprising that Robson would come out and claim that Thornton wanted to come to the Hawks?

audas

4 Oct 2006, 03:37

"If we were to get you in a trade would you be happy to play for the Hawks ?"

"yes"

Result: "Thornton wants to go to the Hawks."

Utter garbage. Read what was posted fools.

mediumsizered

4 Oct 2006, 08:32

I am absolutely fascinated at this sudden major interest in Thornton. All season we have seen supporters of other clubs consistently state on Big Footythat outside of Fevola & Whitnall none of our list would get a game at another club. Then, all of a sudden, word gets out that Thornton is yet to sign a contract and now Hawthorn supporters (and the club it would seem) are falling over themselves to get their hands on him. Would someone please explain to me the change of attitude.

hawks2008premiers

4 Oct 2006, 08:55

C4[2]Yo`DooR

4 Oct 2006, 09:26

Good .. if he wants to play for Hawthorn.

We can use that during our trade talks.

TheGeneral

4 Oct 2006, 10:38

See post 47.

So don't waste your breath and valuable time Hawksfans.

Bennycoff

4 Oct 2006, 13:31

If he isn't signed up by trade week he will be gone.

BlueWorld

4 Oct 2006, 13:40

If he isn't signed up by trade week he will be gone.

Will depend on whether you offer him something that makes it worth our while letting him go. If you don't we'll up our offer.

Teagueeee15

4 Oct 2006, 15:10

If he isn't signed up by trade week he will be gone.

As i have said before, the exact same situation happened last year with Lance Whittnal and Melbourne. What was the end result of that?

BlueWorld

4 Oct 2006, 20:38

Lappin was also unsigned at that point but signed up after.

Pharaoh

4 Oct 2006, 21:48

Looks like Carlton will be getting a 1st and 2nd round pick for losing Thornton. Pick 24 from Hawthorn, and pick 1 next year for getting the spoon again :p

bluegal1983

4 Oct 2006, 21:56

Looks like Carlton will be getting a 1st and 2nd round pick for losing Thornton. Pick 24 from Hawthorn, and pick 1 next year for getting the spoon again :p

If the Hawks are prepared to pay him $300K a year then we aren't losing anything because he isn't worth that much! You guys are the ones who will be losing - lots and lots of $$$!

DynamoUltra

4 Oct 2006, 22:35

See post 47.

So don't waste your breath and valuable time Hawksfans.

"Will be signed up on a three year deal soon"?

To that I say he will be a Hawk come 12pm 13/10.

TheGeneral

4 Oct 2006, 22:48

"Will be signed up on a three year deal soon"?

To that I say he will be a Hawk come 12pm 13/10.
He will re-sign with Carlton and you'll have Dawson, Boyle, Thurgood or Roughead playing in your backline again. So go back to your own over-rated club's board and think about how you overlooked Judd and Griffen.

Or try HHQ.

You won't get him.

mediumsizered

4 Oct 2006, 23:21

If the Hawks are prepared to pay him $300K a year then we aren't losing anything because he isn't worth that much! You guys are the ones who will be losing - lots and lots of $$$!
And he would be playing in a defence that is even more undermanned than what ours is. We all know T-Bird is an honest battler, but he will never be good enough to consistently play on the opposition's best forward. At least this year he had Lance to support him. Who is he going to rely on at Hawthorn, Zac Dawson? Joel Smith?

It is always interesting to see Hawthorn supporters passing judgement on our club as if they are one of the AFL's current success stories. The fact remains that, like us, they haven't played finals since 2001 and their #1 ruckman (who is one of their best players) has walked out on the club. They are going to notice a huge difference between having Everitt giving them first use of the ball and then not having Everitt giving them first use of the ball. My advice to Hawthorn supporters on here is to concentrate on why your club is still not playing finals and also enjoy watching your home games on TV as Jeff Kennett continues to sell your club out( he has a good record of selling things).

Nightwolf

4 Oct 2006, 23:38

And he would be playing in a defence that is even more undermanned than what ours is. We all know T-Bird is an honest battler, but he will never be good enough to consistently play on the opposition's best forward. At least this year he had Lance to support him. Who is he going to rely on at Hawthorn, Zac Dawson? Joel Smith?

In case you didnt know, Danny Jacobs is one of the best defenders for zoning off and chopping in front of the leading forwards. Watch some his games late last year and this year. He was excellant..
Add to that Luke Hodge who shows no fear and likely to be playing at HB or even CHB next year and Campbell Brown whod die for a team mate.. Thornton would be in paradise compared to Carlton..

It is always interesting to see Hawthorn supporters passing judgement on our club as if they are one of the AFL's current success stories. The fact remains that, like us, they haven't played finals since 2001 and their #1 ruckman (who is one of their best players) has walked out on the club. They are going to notice a huge difference between having Everitt giving them first use of the ball and then not having Everitt giving them first use of the ball. My advice to Hawthorn supporters on here is to concentrate on why your club is still not playing finals and also enjoy watching your home games on TV as Jeff Kennett continues to sell your club out( he has a good record of selling things).

Considering we won the majority of our games with Robbie Campbell holding down number 1 ruck and seeing Sam Mitchell still rank number 1 in clearances suggests to me Spida is not needed as much as people think..

Muji

4 Oct 2006, 23:42

Time will tell my friend.. see if Robbie Campbell is capable of holding his own for 22 games a year.

celtic_pride

5 Oct 2006, 00:45

To be fair
I don't think we should really blame Hawthorn or it's fans for them trying to bolster their side (even if they are acting like poachers etc)
We were obsessed and convinced that BJ Goddard was over the dotted line to sign with us, and when that didnt' happen, we ended up with egg on our faces.
Frankly though we are in a win/win position because (even though I now think Thornton will stay) we will try and force the Hawks to do an great deal for him, or risk losing him to another club, because there is no way he'll make it down to them
And they of course have to try and do a deal with Spider Everitt as well (they seem more obsessed about ditching him then getting Thornton)

philhawk

5 Oct 2006, 01:06

It is always interesting to see Hawthorn supporters passing judgement on our club as if they are one of the AFL's current success stories. The fact remains that, like us, they haven't played finals since 2001 and their #1 ruckman (who is one of their best players) has walked out on the club.

Sure, it is. But weren't Carlton in the same position as Hawthorn a few weeks ago when it was widely thought of (well at least on BigFooty), that there was the chance that Brendan Goddard could be 'enticed' to join the Blues? Why is it when another clubs supporters jump at the possibility of bolstering their list it is 'as if they are passing judgement' on Carlton, whereas when Carlton supporters do the very same it is considered generally acceptable?

Edit: I just read celtic's post which virtually repeated the same message.

They are going to notice a huge difference between having Everitt giving them first use of the ball and then not having Everitt giving them first use of the ball.

Perhaps, but statistically, Robbie Cambell and Sam Mitchell formed the No. 1 ruck-roving combination in the AFL with the time they spent together in the midfield this season.

My advice to Hawthorn supporters on here is to concentrate on why your club is still not playing finals and also enjoy watching your home games on TV as Jeff Kennett continues to sell your club out( he has a good record of selling things).

Fair enough, but if snide remarks like that are going to be made then i'd suggest that Carlton supporters/fans/members do something about the incumbent Board who are presiding over them who are not only seeing the disintegration of the values upheld by Carlton for generations, but are too scared to make the tough calls such as fighting for their Priority Picks and the sacking of Dennis Pagan.

AlecDuncan

5 Oct 2006, 10:56

Sure, it is. But weren't Carlton in the same position as Hawthorn a few weeks ago when it was widely thought of (well at least on BigFooty), that there was the chance that Brendan Goddard could be 'enticed' to join the Blues? Why is it when another clubs supporters jump at the possibility of bolstering their list it is 'as if they are passing judgement' on Carlton, whereas when Carlton supporters do the very same it is considered generally acceptable?
If by "Carlton supporters" you mean the same deluded individuals who pump up the "Goddard Is Coming!" nonsense every year, well they give me the ****s even more than Hawthorn supporters drooling over Thornton.

But you're catching up.

philhawk

5 Oct 2006, 11:53

If by "Carlton supporters" you mean the same deluded individuals who pump up the "Goddard Is Coming!" nonsense every year, well they give me the ****s even more than Hawthorn supporters drooling over Thornton.

But you're catching up.

It's a slow process. ;)

Bluebear

5 Oct 2006, 13:23

but are too scared to make the tough calls such as fighting for their Priority Picks and the sacking of Dennis Pagan.

Actually thats exactly what they are doing. A "lets settle this out of court" submission was knocked back last week, and now we are expecting the "lets settle this in court submission" any time now. You should check your facts if you're going to slander our board.

philhawk

5 Oct 2006, 15:44

Actually thats exactly what they are doing. A "lets settle this out of court" submission was knocked back last week, and now we are expecting the "lets settle this in court submission" any time now. You should check your facts if you're going to slander our board.

How can you accuse me of not checking my facts when nothing has eventuated thus far?

Bluebear

5 Oct 2006, 15:48

How can you accuse me of not checking my facts when nothing has eventuated thus far?

Actually it was reported last week that they made a submission to the AFL and it was rejected.
That aside, you accuse them of doing nothing, when you don't actually know one way or the other. That's my point.
There is some evidence they have approached the AFL over it. There is speculation that it will go further..........doesn't sound like nothing to me.
Treading on shaky ground Shrek.

Sheik Mathious

5 Oct 2006, 15:58

Love Thornton as a player and at the moment he is our best option as a key defender. But 300k?

In any good side he would play back pocket as he doesn't have the pace to play half back flank.

Put him in the Adelaide's side and he would have to be behind both Bock and Rutten. (Both would be paid less)

He battles against the bigger guys. Pavlich, Hall, etc just have too much size for him.

I can't think of any back pocket being worth 300k? Maybe Ben Hart? Glen Archer? (He has more tricks to him game than Thornton).

If it's a decent pick I would be tempted. Would love to see him play on Fev.

philhawk

5 Oct 2006, 16:02

Actually it was reported last week that they made a submission to the AFL and it was rejected.
That aside, you accuse them of doing nothing, when you don't actually know one way or the other. That's my point.
There is some evidence they have approached the AFL over it. There is speculation that it will go further..........doesn't sound like nothing to me.
Treading on shaky ground Shrek.

That's exactly what I said. The submission was rejected and there is only speculation that it will be taken further, just as there is only speculation that Thornton could join Hawthorn.

SMOO

5 Oct 2006, 16:45

Would lovwe him to stay and history suggests that he will. 90% of these situations, players stay. If he does go however, be surer than death itself that whoever gets him will cough up big time.wiTMal Micheal retiring they will be looking at him more intently now. Hang hawthorn out till Friday. THey will come to the party and give us what we want. Maybe a JOrdan Lewis. Maybe A higher pick than their second round, gathered by another club. All i know is we WILL have another pick in the 1st round. It may cause us a little hurt by getting rid of someone we dont want to though.

sticks74

5 Oct 2006, 16:54

Like ive said before...Pick six and its a done deal, nothing more nothing less!

SurreyBlue

5 Oct 2006, 17:03

Nightwolf

5 Oct 2006, 17:08

Actually I'm inclined to go further with Hawthorn here eve sticks, what's good for the goose is good for the gander kind of stuff.

If Hawthorn can demand r1 & r2 for Thomson & Hay then by golly we can do the same pick6 and pick24(?) .... take it or leave sh@t heads. I despise this club as much as the filth & bummers....f***ing terrible p@@ffy colors and all.

Nah you want young KP defender than pay top2 picks.:mad:

Come here. Ill give you a hug..

sticks74

5 Oct 2006, 17:14

Furn

5 Oct 2006, 17:22

pick 24 or dont worry about it its no big deal for us

jj1978

5 Oct 2006, 17:25

Caro says put your hand on your head....

Caro says go to sleep.....

Caro says touch your nose.....

Honestly who gives a #### what Caro says anymore.

SA HAWK

5 Oct 2006, 17:29

Like ive said before...Pick six and its a done deal, nothing more nothing less!No way would i give up pick 6 for him. He is not that good.

sticks74

5 Oct 2006, 17:35

No way would i give up pick 6 for him. He is not that good.
Read what i said after that SA Hawk!

jj1978

5 Oct 2006, 17:42

From the mouth of Pagan...

In another piece of promising news for Blues fans, Pagan revealed contract negotiations with defender Bret Thornton - who had been linked with a possible move to Hawthorn - were progressing.

"He's meeting with the club this morning and we're hopeful of resolving something there," he said.

So could we know something by tomorrow?

Funkalicous

5 Oct 2006, 17:50

No way would i give up pick 6 for him. He is not that good.

So Thornton's not in the same group as Beau Dowler, Tom Williams, Kepler Bradley, Steven Salopek and Ashley Sampi? (The last 5 pick taken at pick 6).

Give me a break... :rolleyes: