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Monkeyboy
3 Oct 2006, 09:52
Have heard from a friend who has ties at Carlton that the Blues will be picking up J.Cloke to help with their weakish backline. I believe a 4th round pick was all that is needed.
Some at Carlton see him as a good prospect who was obviously not rated by Mick. A little in the Peter Dean mould. Great spoiler.
Snoop Dog
3 Oct 2006, 09:54
Have heard from a friend who has ties at Carlton that the Blues will be picking up J.Cloke to help with their weakish backline. I believe a 4th round pick was all that is needed.
Some at Carlton see him as a good prospect who was obviously not rated by Mick. A little in the Peter Dean mould. Great spoiler.
would be about the right pick i guess
SurreyBlue
3 Oct 2006, 11:08
J Cloke for D Teague. How does that sound Pies?
Jeremias
3 Oct 2006, 11:10
Thank goodness only approximately 0.00000000000000000000000000000001% of rumours on here end up being true
:eek: :eek: :eek:
you idiot sheehan
3 Oct 2006, 11:11
It'd have to be much more than a 4th round pick. Anything we give to Carlton would have to part of a Nick Stevens trade. We've been given a dud draft pick by Carlton once before.
butchyboy
3 Oct 2006, 11:14
It'd have to be much more than a 4th round pick. Anything we give to Carlton would have to part of a Nick Stevens trade. We've been given a dud draft pick by Carlton once before.
Obviously the dud draft pick was all to do with your own recruiting department, fool!!!!!!!!
Cheers
TheGeneral
3 Oct 2006, 11:24
I'm saddened to announce that he's already older than 24 and won't be joining Carlton.
We won't be recruiting Collingwood's hacks.
Dave The Man
3 Oct 2006, 11:34
I'm saddened to announce that he's already older than 24 and won't be joining Carlton.
We won't be recruiting Collingwood's hacks.
Your whole team accept 2 or 4 players are hacks!
Your whole team accept 2 or 4 players are hacks!
Who are the players they accept?? Are they Clokes?? I think most teams accept that they're hacks.
Jeremias
3 Oct 2006, 11:46
Your whole team accept 2 or 4 players are hacks!
1) 2 or 4? I see you dropped out of school prior to grade 1. I believe 3 comes after 2 and before 4.
2) accept? what do i need to accept? or are you looking for except?
Please, name the players you don't think are hacks...
celtic_pride
3 Oct 2006, 11:47
FWIW I don't think Jason Cloke is a hack to be honest, he just hasnn't been given a fair go by Salty Malty IMHO.
IF T-Bird does leave though, and we fail lure Polak, I reckon we would have to seriously look at Jason Cloke, as long as he comes reasonably cheaply.
Jeremias
3 Oct 2006, 11:50
FWIW I don't think Jason Cloke is a hack to be honest, he just hasnn't been given a fair go by Salty Malty IMHO.
IF T-Bird does leave though, and we fail lure Polak, I reckon we would have to seriously look at Jason Cloke, as long as he comes reasonably cheaply.
NO.
He is Teague, only taller. Looks great when he is a loose man in defense, but if asked to man up he is useless. We do not need these players at the Blues. We need defenders who can man up and beat an opponent. Jason Cloke can do neither.
It'd have to be much more than a 4th round pick. Anything we give to Carlton would have to part of a Nick Stevens trade. We've been given a dud draft pick by Carlton once before.
You are an idiot.
Jeremias
3 Oct 2006, 11:59
It'd have to be much more than a 4th round pick. Anything we give to Carlton would have to part of a Nick Stevens trade. We've been given a dud draft pick by Carlton once before.
Pick 35 is not usually a dud draft pick. The ineptitude of your recruiting staff turned it into one.
Much more than a 4th round pick? In a reasonably talented draft that would be over the top. In this draft, that is just ridiculously stupid.
Nick Stevens for Jason Cloke? HAHAHAHAHA, sorry, not everyone is as stupid as the Pies in trading.
you idiot sheehan
3 Oct 2006, 12:13
Pick 35 is not usually a dud draft pick. The ineptitude of your recruiting staff turned it into one.
Much more than a 4th round pick? In a reasonably talented draft that would be over the top. In this draft, that is just ridiculously stupid.
Nick Stevens for Jason Cloke? HAHAHAHAHA, sorry, not everyone is as stupid as the Pies in trading.
Dont put words in my mouth you lot. I never said Cloke for Stevens. I was just saying, if we're gonna be trading with Carlton, we'd want it to be part of a nick stevens trade. Idiots.
The next captain of the Carlton football club has become a one horse race.
Captain Cloke.
Orangewhip
3 Oct 2006, 12:25
The next captain of the Carlton football club has become a one horse race.
Captain Cloke.
The undisputed king of comedy...Jabso the Handicapped.
Jeremias
3 Oct 2006, 12:27
The next captain of the Carlton football club has become a one horse race.
Captain Cloke.
Was that meant to be funny in the slightest?
Was that meant to be funny in the slightest?
Kind of! Jabso's laughing.
It was meant to piss off fools like you and Orangewhip, and you've taken it hook line and sinker. :cool:
It's funny because it's true.
Hey Teague was "captain material".
Jeremias
3 Oct 2006, 12:48
Kind of! Jabso's laughing.
It was meant to piss off fools like you and Orangewhip, and you've taken it hook line and sinker. :cool:
Fool? I think you are the fool-you think I am pissed off? You have got to be kidding me. :D
Just highlights how stupid some Pies supporters (jabso) are, hey. Jabso isn't funny, and please don't tell me you think otherwise
Jeremias
3 Oct 2006, 12:49
It's funny because it's true.
Hey Teague was "captain material".
According to who?
:rolleyes:
According to who?
:rolleyes:
The Carlton masses. Remember the great resurgence of Carlton in 2004?
bigbol069
3 Oct 2006, 13:05
Boys lets not argue about Carlton and Collingwood, Hawthorn we all know will be the next team to win a premiership of those three. Now Jason Cloke, Carlton could probably use him but in an ideal world wouldn't want him. Fair to say he is a very ordinary footballer with only height, size and some experience to justify any trade value he has over dumping him. The pies are hardly blessed with quality talls yet seem happy to throw Cloke around as bait, throw Travis up and someone might get excited, but with Jason seriously who cares he's up there with Zac Dawson for us as far as quality goes, the difference being Zac will improve!;)
Jeremias
3 Oct 2006, 13:12
The Carlton masses. Remember the great resurgence of Carlton in 2004?
Show me once when a Carlton supporter EVER said Teaue is captain material?
:rolleyes:
magpies42
3 Oct 2006, 13:47
The sad thing is that Jason cloke would fit straight into your starting line up, your team is rubbish.
TheGeneral
3 Oct 2006, 13:55
Cloke wouldn't walk into the Bullants best 22 and there are better young talls on our list than both Cameron and Jason.
Barry Zuckercorn QC
3 Oct 2006, 14:26
J. Cloke would be a walk in captain-coach at that rabble!
steviewonder36
3 Oct 2006, 15:30
Obviously the dud draft pick was all to do with your own recruiting department, fool!!!!!!!!
Cheers
LOL, there is no way the Pies would trade Jason Cloke to Carlton for a 4th round pick.
There isn't much on Carlton's list would trade for either.
Teague is a pussy, Stevens is too old now etc
steviewonder36
3 Oct 2006, 15:46
Boys lets not argue about Carlton and Collingwood, Hawthorn we all know will be the next team to win a premiership of those three. Now Jason Cloke, Carlton could probably use him but in an ideal world wouldn't want him. Fair to say he is a very ordinary footballer with only height, size and some experience to justify any trade value he has over dumping him. The pies are hardly blessed with quality talls yet seem happy to throw Cloke around as bait, throw Travis up and someone might get excited, but with Jason seriously who cares he's up there with Zac Dawson for us as far as quality goes, the difference being Zac will improve!;)
Lol, there is no way the Pies would trade T.Cloke, I would keep Jason Cloke and delist players like Wakelin, Walker, Hall etc first.
Malthouse has to go as far as I am concerned, the game has passed him by.
Have heard from a friend who has ties at Carlton that the Blues will be picking up J.Cloke to help with their weakish backline. I believe a 4th round pick was all that is needed.
Some at Carlton see him as a good prospect who was obviously not rated by Mick. A little in the Peter Dean mould. Great spoiler.
Will believe it when I see it. :rolleyes:
Can this and the many other garbage threads popping up on the draft and trading board please be
eliminated
ASAP
irish_setanta
3 Oct 2006, 18:38
J. Cloke would be a walk in captain-coach at that rabble!
Theres a thought, your RABBLE is looking for a coach.
Gilly1972
3 Oct 2006, 18:43
Pass
Barry Zuckercorn QC that rabble has won 16 flags.
You rabble of a club has won how many, let me count 1 oh 1 only hehe.
am i right in saying that trade week is next week im pretty sure it is and St.Kilda doesnt have a coach yet, its gonna be funny when i new coach comes in and sees another dud likes Barry Brooks on the list hahaha, hmmmm whos the rabble now hahahahah.
Fanatico
3 Oct 2006, 20:21
The next captain of the Carlton football club has become a one horse race.
Captain Cloke.
Nahh not funny. How about you stick to talking about footy and leave the jokes to other people:thumbsu:
Fanatico
3 Oct 2006, 20:25
J. Cloke would be a walk in captain-coach at that rabble!
He would probebley add to your junk of a club captains rotation :rolleyes:
Nahh not funny. How about you stick to talking about footy and leave the jokes to other people:thumbsu:
Hey I don't go to your job and tell you what to do.
Brad Pearce
3 Oct 2006, 21:18
Will believe it when I see it. :rolleyes:
agree:thumbsu:
Thank goodness only approximately 0.00000000000000000000000000000001% of rumours on here end up being true
:eek: :eek: :eek:
I don't think it is that many
jason clokes just not long turned 24 back in may so i'd say they will take him
his in the bracket
he'll look better in a Navy blue Jumper :) i remember when i met Trent Hotten the year he came to carlton he said he hated Collingwood
we got a few ex pies either still at carlton or gone ;)
be interesting to see who we get next week its come around quick ;)
trade week
AlecDuncan
3 Oct 2006, 23:56
Have heard from a friend who has ties at Carlton that the Blues will be picking up J.Cloke to help with their weakish backline. I believe a 4th round pick was all that is needed.
Some at Carlton see him as a good prospect who was obviously not rated by Mick. A little in the Peter Dean mould. Great spoiler.
We need a Centre Half Back, not a Centre Half Hack.
Have heard from a friend who has ties at Carlton that the Blues will be picking up J.Cloke to help with their weakish backline. I believe a 4th round pick was all that is needed.
Some at Carlton see him as a good prospect who was obviously not rated by Mick. A little in the Peter Dean mould. Great spoiler.
A little in the Peter Dean mould??? Mate i think you better stop smokin that smelly green stuff. Peter dean was a champion. J Cloke is a hack who cant get a game in a mediocre team. Peter dean was one of the first picked players in a team of champions. (sticks, braddles, diesel, ratts, brown)
Why would we want cloke? Teauge and cloke are the same type of player.
J Cloke is a hack who cant get a game in a mediocre team..
Oh well... he should fit right in at a crap team like carlton!
Oh well... he should fit right in at a crap team like carlton!
Mate he wouldnt even make our best 22. Thats how crap he is!!
c'wood-pies
4 Oct 2006, 00:44
Mate he wouldnt even make our best 22. Thats how crap he is!!
If Sultana O'hailpin can get a game, then so can Stephanie Macintosh. Jason Cloke would be your starting CHB.
westbrom
4 Oct 2006, 01:03
If Sultana O'hailpin can get a game, then so can Stephanie Macintosh. Jason Cloke would be your starting CHB.
Ohh the intelligence and wit is just bursting out of you now isn't it?
Just for the slightest minute it might be worth you considering what you are saying, it would maybe save that embarrasment of looking like yet another fool who A) Is not funny & B) Is seriously over-rating their own team, whilst under-rating others.
J Cloke is not good enough to get a game at Collingwood, fair enough. But the truth is he has no value to Carlton. Obviously the Carlton list lacks in a hell of a lot of areas, but is young and has some prospects. Walker, Whitnall, O'hAilpin, Thornton (if he stays) & Bower are 5 defenders to start with, Cloke would not get a game ahead of any of them, he is going to fit into the category of McGrath, Bannister, Sporn, Livingston, Teague and others that Carlton unfortunately has a plethora of. Players such as Wiggins, Lappin, Houlihan can all play that small defender running off HB as well. This is a young team and can get overwhelmed as well at the minute, but Cloke is not going to improve the list going forward in any real way. He would be a like for like swap with a number of current Carlton players.
There is also the potential of Hartlett coming on and there are hopes he will develop into a typical FB. Again Cloke is not quality, he can play a role but he is a third string player. Never going to be that 10th-22nd player on a team list and so is in the 23-30 range. Generally these positions are going to be filled by elder players that are being phased out, or by exciting young kids you hope come on. Carlton has a number of players in this range and the only trading it should be doing is for starters and top 10 starters at that. Cloke is better suited to a team that already has it's starting core and he can be an accessory, a bit player. The truth is that he will be lucky to attract a top 50 pick in this draft, it would not surprise to see him in the PSD to be honest.
In regards to Teague being called a pussy earlier in the thread... (Stevie Wonder) How ridiculous a comment. It is not surprising that some posters consider themselves a better judge of courage the AFL footballers, but this is a player who was voted the most courageous player in the league by his peers only a couple of seasons ago. The funny thing is that Teague has enough deficiencies in his game that he would be an fairly easy target to take a shot at.... But somehow you managed to f*ck it up still. Nice call mate :rolleyes:
Of course you also followed it up with another insightful comment about Stevens being to old...
I guess you mean in comparison to...
Buckley 34
Burns 31
Clement 30
etc.
etc
Licuria was great but he seems to have the game passing him by. O'Bree is one paced and needs a midfield to be playing well around him, he cannot lift a midfield himself. Johnson can play but is erratic and prone to bad disposal (but is heaps better than a few years ago) and can certainly play...
Again Stevens is unaccountable, can be caught on the rebound and players often play off him as there is always a fair chance they can get loose on their HF line and snare a few oppurtunistic goals. Stevens penetration when shooting for goal is dubious and he has joined the rest of the Carlton squad in kicking the ball to high to leading players which gives the defenders that bit of extra time... By all means come up with a reason for not wanting him, but have you ever considered coming up with something with a bit of merit... Or are you another witty one-liner?
Jason Cloke doesn't get a game at Collingwood because they have 3 tall defenders who are better than him (Presti, Clement and Wakelin). Personally I don't think he is that bad. He dominated at Willi this year. I think he would get a game at Carlton.
westbrom
4 Oct 2006, 02:09
Jason Cloke doesn't get a game at Collingwood because they have 3 tall defenders who are better than him (Presti, Clement and Wakelin). Personally I don't think he is that bad. He dominated at Willi this year. I think he would get a game at Carlton.
Fair opinion, but I disagree. He would not displace Setanta, Whitnall or Thornton. Walker can play on talls or smalls and Bower played well against Sydney and is the future. Cloke is not accountable enough in my opinion and is about the same level as a lot of our other players as mentioned......
Whitnall is better than Wakelin, Thorton offers more than Presti, no-one in our backline comes close to Clement at the moment.
I understand why he does not make Collingwood's team, but that does not make him a starter at Carlton and certainly not someone to trade for.
Also with Wakelin and Presti both getting close to the end, if he was next in line he would be best staying, so I think he is further down the list than you suggest.
Personally I would not be giving him any consideration at all, even in the PSD. He is just not the type that helps build the Carlton Football Club. Replacing mediocrity with mediocrity would produce another 5 years like the previous 5
Yeah I would suggest Maxwell would probably be ahead of him also. However, Cloke is fairly solid and would enable you to play Whitnall across the half forward line.
Whitnall is better than Wakelin, Thorton offers more than Presti, no-one in our backline comes close to Clement at the moment.
Not too sure about that. Wakelin is an outright defender and rarely gets beaten (however, getting older and not playing like he used to). Whitnall will get a few more kicked on him but is probably a lot more creative out of defence. You may call me crazy but I think Presti is a top fullback. Very underated. Thornton definately has age on his side though (I like the way he plays).
westbrom
4 Oct 2006, 02:51
Yeah I would suggest Maxwell would probably be ahead of him also. However, Cloke is fairly solid and would enable you to play Whitnall across the half forward line.
Not too sure about that. Wakelin is an outright defender and rarely gets beaten (however, getting older and not playing like he used to). Whitnall will get a few more kicked on him but is probably a lot more creative out of defence. You may call me crazy but I think Presti is a top fullback. Very underated. Thornton definately has age on his side though (I like the way he plays).
Fair point on Whitnall, he is not a true defender, but his still very effective in the role due to his ability to drive play out of defence. I rate Presti as well, but given the choice I would take Thornton. That is not a case of not rating Presti, I just hold Thornton is quite high esteem. He still has 6kg to grow over the next two years as well. I hear people state he is not a true KPP, yet he has held Hall & Neitz etc even though he is very young for a FB. Presti is very good man on man, but Thornton has the ability to take on opposition forwards, buy space with a baulk and create drive.
In regards to playing Whitnall up front I think those days are passed to be honest. It would be fantastic to having him roaming the forward line, but I do not think his body would hold up and with Kennedy showing good signs (see his game against Chris Grant for an example), to go with marking forwards in Waite and Fisher (even though Fisher needs to learn how to kick) and with Fev controlling the forward 50, I do not see that adding Whitnall to that mix adds a lot anymore. I think we are really desperate for a couple of quick flankers in our forward line (obviously Didak types), plus a couple of years growth. Kennedy at 21 with 50 games under his belt is a different proposition for opposition teams than the kid that plays now. Betts is almost like Leon Davis. In that he can kick a miracle goal or show glances of pace etc, but to be honest he does not have the consistancy required at the moment imho.