View Full Version : Malceski for Spida?????????
I wasn't impressed when I read in todays Age newspaper that Hawthorn would only look at a young player as in Malceski or a high draft pick for Spida.I don't think so!!!!!!
natlovestheswans
4 Oct 2006, 10:40
Malceski.. hell no. That boy isn't going anywhere. None of the 22 boys who played on Saturday are going anywhere.
If we let Malceski go, they'd better let ASDA loose in the office as the recruitment staff would have to be on drugs.
This kid has had all the development work put into him for what? To pass that on to someone else, dreaming (hopefully)
Don't worry. It won't happen. Mal would be a required player by now. And I seriously doubt that Roos would back down and offer the hawks higher than 3rd pick.
They might, however, get a young player who isn't likely to to be in the senior group on a regular basis any time soon.
natlovestheswans
4 Oct 2006, 11:43
Don't worry. It won't happen. Mal would be a required player by now. And I seriously doubt that Roos would back down and offer the hawks higher than 3rd pick.
They might, however, get a young player who isn't likely to to be in the senior group on a regular basis any time soon.
Like who?
Willoughby, Schmidt, Moore or Spriggs. Nothing more.
philhawk
4 Oct 2006, 11:51
I'm not even sure if the Swans would consider this, but i'll throw it up anyway.
Spida + Pick 24 ------> Swans
Pick 15 ----> Carlton
Bret Thornton -----> Hawks
Just a thought. :thumbsu:
Francis30
4 Oct 2006, 13:39
I'm not even sure if the Swans would consider this, but i'll throw it up anyway.
Spida + Pick 24 ------> Swans
Pick 15 ----> Carlton
Bret Thornton -----> Hawks
Just a thought. :thumbsu:
Malceski is a no go zone for other clubs and I would hate it if they draft him for an older player
Francis30
4 Oct 2006, 13:45
Willoughby, Schmidt, Moore or Spriggs. Nothing more.
I would hate it if Jarrad Moore was traded for Everitt.
Forget about trading young players Sydney trade someone like Ben Mathews.
skipper kelly
4 Oct 2006, 14:20
Not a chance in hell.
Bennycoff
4 Oct 2006, 14:37
We don't want fringe players. It's going to be a second rounder otherwise Sydney won't get him, harsh but true.
Thaihawk
4 Oct 2006, 14:45
Willoughby, Schmidt, Moore or Spriggs. Nothing more.
Would the swans consider sending one of the above players to Carlton if they received Spida?
The Hawks could then give Carlton pick 24, and THornton would move to Hawthorn.
IMO no club loses, but the Hawks gain!
is2SWaNz
4 Oct 2006, 14:55
no, no and a no!
Malceski stays here.
LOBBY007
4 Oct 2006, 17:17
we have finally got it right. Jolly is already a premiership ruckman(how could he be focused after his wife gave birth) and now that Doyle is fit he will only get better.leave spida at hawthorn to get stuck in his own web of deceit. we don't need him as a ruckman didn't cost us a premiership.:) :thumbsu:
Black JuJu
4 Oct 2006, 18:39
we don't need him as a ruckman didn't cost us a premiership.:) :thumbsu:
Are you kidding? Jolly and Doyle 'Gardinered' you guys!
Moore? He just signed a new 3 year deal with the Swans. What would be the point in that if we were to trade him off to the Hawks?
Bennycoff
4 Oct 2006, 18:56
Your ruck is quite weak.
Bennycoff
4 Oct 2006, 18:56
Moore? He just signed a new 3 year deal with the Swans. What would be the point in that if we were to trade him off to the Hawks?
Wouldn't worry we wouldn't be interested in fringe players. Its only draft picks.
Wouldn't worry we wouldn't be interested in fringe players. Its only draft picks.
I gather from what Roos said that our 1st and 2nd round picks are off limits. Willing to settle for a 3rd round?
Blacky31
4 Oct 2006, 20:36
What a joke this would be...
How can a guy who missed most of the season and has 2 years in him max, be worth a player of Malceski's potential!
I would be almost as annoyed if we trade our first rounder this year too!
I agree Malceski is a player I wouldn't trade, however if the Hawks want one of our best 22 then a deal that could satisfy would be:
everitt + pick 6 for pick 15 + buchanan
Yes we would be giving up a young preimership player but one that could possibly be replaced by a Moore, Schmidt or Willoughby.
Also just think of the possible player that pick 6 might get us:cool:
You need to give up quality to get quality!
BrissoMash
4 Oct 2006, 22:23
everitt + pick 6 for pick 15 + buchanan
NOW we're talking!!!!:D DO IT!
skipper kelly
4 Oct 2006, 22:24
I agree Malceski is a player I wouldn't trade, however if the Hawks want one of our best 22 then a deal that could satisfy would be:
everitt + pick 6 for pick 15 + buchanan
Yes we would be giving up a young preimership player but one that could possibly be replaced by a Moore, Schmidt or Willoughby.
Also just think of the possible player that pick 6 might get us:cool:
You need to give up quality to get quality!
no..
CharlieG
4 Oct 2006, 22:28
Relax guys. Unless they request a move, neither Buchanan nor Malceski will be traded.
SWANNIES RULE
4 Oct 2006, 22:29
I actually think Oscar's suggestion is worth considering. Pick 6 would mean we would pick up one of the premier youngsters in the country.
skipper kelly
4 Oct 2006, 22:29
Relax guys. Unless they request a move, neither Buchanan nor Malceski will be traded.
yes.
I'm not even sure if the Swans would consider this, but i'll throw it up anyway.
Spida + Pick 24 ------> Swans
Pick 15 ----> Carlton
Bret Thornton -----> Hawks
Just a thought. :thumbsu:
Would be happy with that.
Jeremias
4 Oct 2006, 22:32
Would be happy with that.
So would I.
Of course, I would love Bret to stay as he will be a very good player, but if he wanted to leave, pick 15 would be excellent.
I reckon that's a fair trade for all.
CharlieG
4 Oct 2006, 22:40
I actually think Oscar's suggestion is worth considering. Pick 6 would mean we would pick up one of the premier youngsters in the country.
At the cost of a premier player (literally). In a year in which we are chasing a premiership.
I hope that the Swans don't fall for the first-round pick fetish. They are really the most overpriced commodity in footy. For a team aiming at a flag, Amon Buchanan is worth more than Everitt and a slight move up in what is a deep draft anyway.
SWANNIES RULE
4 Oct 2006, 22:46
I think Buchanan is expendable. Getting an A-Grade ruckman to the club is more important than hanging onto Buchanan IMO.
skipper kelly
4 Oct 2006, 22:47
Draft isnt overly important for Sydney this year. We want top up players to challenge for the flag. This is the way football works these days. Would much prefer to have 2 more realistic chances at a flag with these players rather than building for the future.
no..
Same here, pick 6 is staying.
skipper kelly
4 Oct 2006, 22:51
Same here, pick 6 is staying.
Hawks are in a building phase. No way should they get rid of pick 6 unless it was for someone young and exceptional.
Draft isnt overly important for Sydney this year. We want top up players to challenge for the flag. This is the way football works these days. Would much prefer to have 2 more realistic chances at a flag with these players rather than building for the future.
Thats what I would be thinking if I went for the swans. Anyone who suggests the Swans have good enough ruckman are kidding themselves. Jolly is good against crap opposition, and a good No. 2 ruckman. Doyle ,don't get me started.
Everitt is the third best ruckaman in the comp, and is defintly worth getting for you guys. (Cox, Lade are better) Yes he's the third!
Pick 18-22 is what he is worth, but you guys don't have it.
Maybe Pick 15 and the hawks throw in a sweetner! Ries, Brennan, or if you really want Thurgood is available.
SWANNIES RULE
4 Oct 2006, 22:54
I heard Clinton Young is also a possibility.
I heard Clinton Young is also a possibility.
So Everitt and Young for Pick 15???
That is a tough decision to make, wouldn't be happy with the trade, but not angry, probably fair!
Then we can trade pick 24 for Thornton!
skipper kelly
4 Oct 2006, 22:57
Thats what I would be thinking if I went for the swans. Anyone who suggests the Swans have good enough ruckman are kidding themselves. Jolly is good against crap opposition, and a good No. 2 ruckman. Doyle ,don't get me started.
Everitt is the third best ruckaman in the comp, and is defintly worth getting for you guys. (Cox, Lade are better) Yes he's the third!
Pick 18-22 is what he is worth, but you guys don't have it.
Maybe Pick 15 and the hawks throw in a sweetner! Ries, Brennan, or if you really want Thurgood is available.
Jolly is a good ruckmen, but injury and circumstances put him on the back foot for the GF.
But we could definitely use a committed Everitt as our 1st ruck. Everitt is worth an early 2nd rounder IMO. If we knew the unknowable, ie will Everitt be committed and not cause trouble, plus remain fit, then I would have no problems giving up the 1st Round pick. But because of his age and the question marks over his head, 2nd rounder is it.
SWANNIES RULE
4 Oct 2006, 23:01
Jolly was outclassed in the GF. No doubt about it.
I would go as far as saying that I think if we had Everitt in the GF, we would of won. Because he is almost as good as Cox, IMO.
Jolly is a good ruckmen, but injury and circumstances put him on the back foot for the GF.
But we could definitely use a committed Everitt as our 1st ruck. Everitt is worth an early 2nd rounder IMO. If we knew the unknowable, ie will Everitt be committed and not cause trouble, plus remain fit, then I would have no problems giving up the 1st Round pick. But because of his age and the question marks over his head, 2nd rounder is it.
I think you will find Sydney would be almost the best club to calm a player. Look at Big Bad Barry Hall!
Anyway Everitt came to the Hawks with fresh motivation and it showed in his first three years. He may be commited for 2 years, and thats all the swannies will need.
Everitt & Jolly in tandem would be something of a premiership ruck force.
I could settle for a second rounder, but yes it has to be an earlier one than you have. Pick 33 is just out of the bracket for me.
I believe that Buchanan would be worth the 6th pick in the draft if he wanted to return to Victoria.
104 Marks, 432 disposals, 96 tackles, 13 goals, 54 inside 50's that is an excellent season in any language
Then it would be Everitt for pick 15.
I think that if we have the possibility of picking up one of the following players I don't see how we could not take it:
Gibbs(Mid), Gumbleton(KPP), Hansen(KPP), Sellar(KPP), Thorp(KPP), Leuenberger(Ruck)
They are the consensus top 6 of most draftboards & all would fill a need!
Everitt won a club best and fairest in 2004 and was the All Australian ruckman in 2005. Both pretty solid years and they weren't exactly ancient history either. I don't think we should underestimate what he could do for our group.
I could live with a second round pick. But I'd have thought a 3rd round pick would be enough - especially considering the strength of the draft this year. Right now the Hawks can get something or guarrantee themselves nothing. I know which I'd prefer as a Hawthorn fan.
i know if i was a swans supporter i would be thinking about the next few years, as you have the opportunity to win a flag.
Sowould you rather be a dominant sidfe like Brisbanes with three flags (possibly 2) in a row, and then really strugle. or have 1 flag but have a stable future (but no guarantee of a flag).
i know which one i would want.
mrbehemoth
5 Oct 2006, 06:56
I agree Malceski is a player I wouldn't trade, however if the Hawks want one of our best 22 then a deal that could satisfy would be:
everitt + pick 6 for pick 15 + buchanan
Yes we would be giving up a young preimership player but one that could possibly be replaced by a Moore, Schmidt or Willoughby.
Also just think of the possible player that pick 6 might get us:cool:
You need to give up quality to get quality!
Buchanan? What have you been smoking?
mrbehemoth
5 Oct 2006, 06:58
Buchanan's a star. If Sydney willingly let him go I'd call for a spill of the board.
mrbehemoth
5 Oct 2006, 07:00
I think you will find Sydney would be almost the best club to calm a player. Look at Big Bad Barry Hall!
Anyway Everitt came to the Hawks with fresh motivation and it showed in his first three years. He may be commited for 2 years, and thats all the swannies will need.
Everitt & Jolly in tandem would be something of a premiership ruck force.
I could settle for a second rounder, but yes it has to be an earlier one than you have. Pick 33 is just out of the bracket for me.
So as a hawks supporter, you'd rather let Everitt go for nothing?
graystar
5 Oct 2006, 07:02
Buchanan's a star. If Sydney willingly let him go I'd call for a spill of the board.
:thumbsu:
Sick of them getting rid of young guns.
So as a hawks supporter, you'd rather let Everitt go for nothing?
Yes. It may seem strange to you, but there are also tactical reasons why you don't want to strengthen good opposition. Spider at Sydney or St Kilda will be a very powerful force and no doubt reduce our chances of beating you in the next few years even further. Spider at Carlton or Essendon is hardly a concern.
If we're going to trade him, it better be worthwhile for Hawthorn (i.e. early 2nd round pick or above). Otherwise, we're actually better off if he ends up at a dud team. How much damage has Nick Stevens done at Carlton? ZERO. How much would he have done if he had been at Collingwood - they certainly would have been a better team this year.
So as a hawks supporter, you'd rather let Everitt go for nothing?
Yes! Pick 49 would be of little value. I'd probably give in reluctantly to pick 33.
It is worth losing a player for free, so you don't get bullied into trades in the future.
we have pick 6,24,40,56!
Pick 49 and 56 wouldn't be that different, there is no way Pelchen will accept it, and I doubt he will accept Pick 33.
I believe that Buchanan would be worth the 6th pick in the draft if he wanted to return to Victoria.
104 Marks, 432 disposals, 96 tackles, 13 goals, 54 inside 50's that is an excellent season in any language
Then it would be Everitt for pick 15.
I think that if we have the possibility of picking up one of the following players I don't see how we could not take it:
Gibbs(Mid), Gumbleton(KPP), Hansen(KPP), Sellar(KPP), Thorp(KPP), Leuenberger(Ruck)
They are the consensus top 6 of most draftboards & all would fill a need!
Buchanan aint worth a pick 6!!! Maybe in another draft!
Yes! Pick 49 would be of little value. I'd probably give in reluctantly to pick 33.
It is worth losing a player for free, so you don't get bullied into trades in the future.
we have pick 6,24,40,56!
Pick 49 and 56 wouldn't be that different, there is no way Pelchen will accept it, and I doubt he will accept Pick 33.
Pick 49 would be better than nothing. Goodes was pick 43. Malceski was pick 64. James Hird was pick 79. The list goes on...
Can't see how Pelchen can justify sticking it to own club for spite. But that's just me.
hawks2008premiers
5 Oct 2006, 09:38
So as a hawks supporter, you'd rather let Everitt go for nothing?
Yes, because he is a selfish player looking for success and if a good deal didnt go through id rather him go to psd and get picked up by ess carl who has no chance of premiership in two years
Buchanan aint worth a pick 6!!! Maybe in another draft!
It doesn't matter how good a players reputation prior to the draft is, they are unproven at the level.
Grab the lists from years past and you will see that many regarded as top picks didn't cut it.
I know this is a super draft, however a player like Buchanan who has the runs on the board and is improving every year is in my opinion makes him worth pick 6.
Proven versus the unproven.
There seems to be a psychology to put these kids straight in to the seniors as well, they in most cases are physically not up to it yet.
Go with what you've got and add, dont trade it away for trades sake.
philhawk
5 Oct 2006, 09:52
Can't see how Pelchen can justify sticking it to own club for spite. But that's just me.
Hmm let's see. The best interests of the Hawthorn Football Club are to win matches. How would giving a quality ruckman to an already very strong team without suitable compensation be in our best interests?
Hmm let's see. The best interests of the Hawthorn Football Club are to win matches. How would giving a quality ruckman to an already very strong team without suitable compensation be in our best interests?
That's all well and good. But using a 2nd or 3rd round pick to potentially get a 150 plus gamer will do a helluva a lot more for creating sustainable success for the Hawks than getting nothing at all for Spida.
Bennycoff
5 Oct 2006, 12:06
Hahaha Buchanan pick 6? Come on guys, hes a good player but in a draft of this quality he wouldn't make the top 20.
I'd rather put Everitt into the PSD then get some mediocre pick.
philhawk
5 Oct 2006, 12:34
That's all well and good. But using a 2nd or 3rd round pick to potentially get a 150 plus gamer will do a helluva a lot more for creating sustainable success for the Hawks than getting nothing at all for Spida.
Perhaps, but
a) There's no certainty that a 2nd rounder (let alone a 3rd rounder), could play 150 games, don't you think?
b) Letting Spida go into the PSD will send a strong message to our other players that we are willing to play hard ball and accept nothing over being ripped off (i'm not suggesting that's the case this time), by other clubs. Chris Pelchin was at Port when they let Nick Stevens into the draft. When Josh Carr wanted to go to Freo the year after, he made sure that Port was suitably compensated as a result.
Kwik-e-mart
5 Oct 2006, 12:42
Perhaps, but
a) There's no certainty that a 2nd rounder (let alone a 3rd rounder), could play 150 games, don't you think?
no certainties in footy...but then again it is a pretty good draft.
In the last good draft (2001) Sydneys 2nd rounder was Lewis Robert Thompson, Stkildas was Matt Maguire.
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 13:07
Buchanan? What have you been smoking?
Lol, people are out of their minds if they think Sydney would let go of Buchanan.
SWANNIES RULE
5 Oct 2006, 13:16
He might want to go home......
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 13:31
He might want to go home......
No one has said ANYTHING about him wanting to go home at all. They are such a close-knit bunch at Sydney and have just been in back-to-back GF's.. i can't see any of them wanting to go home.
SWANNIES RULE
5 Oct 2006, 13:41
It's only a possibility.
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 15:31
It's only a possibility.
It's as much of a possibility as Barry Hall leaving.. it aint happening.
This trade simply will not happen.
is2SWaNz
5 Oct 2006, 16:33
I agree Malceski is a player I wouldn't trade, however if the Hawks want one of our best 22 then a deal that could satisfy would be:
everitt + pick 6 for pick 15 + buchanan
No! Amon also stays in Sydney!!!
THought id post it here. They are saying Everitt for Paul Bevan is very likely coming from Sydney.
is2SWaNz
5 Oct 2006, 16:38
No one has said ANYTHING about him wanting to go home at all. They are such a close-knit bunch at Sydney and have just been in back-to-back GF's.. i can't see any of them wanting to go home.
It was rumoured that Monty wanted to go home, but that was when he was struggling to find a spot in the senior side. He has cemented a spot, and i don't want Amon to be traded for Everitt. And i agree Nat, they are close-knit bunch and I don't want to see any of our top 22 leave or whatever, especially Amon (for obvious reasons! :D)
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 17:10
THought id post it here. They are saying Everitt for Paul Bevan is very likely coming from Sydney.
Wtf?
Bevan can't leave.. he will have to leave his two roommates.. LRT and Auskick.. it can't happen.
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 17:12
It was rumoured that Monty wanted to go home, but that was when he was struggling to find a spot in the senior side. He has cemented a spot, and i don't want Amon to be traded for Everitt. And i agree Nat, they are close-knit bunch and I don't want to see any of our top 22 leave or whatever, especially Amon (for obvious reasons! :D)
Yuh, that must have been a while ago then. He is definately not struggling to cement a permanent spot in our team now. I don't Adam Schneider would be too happy if Amon left!
is2SWaNz
5 Oct 2006, 17:16
Bevan can't leave.. he will have to leave his two roommates.. LRT and Auskick.. it can't happen.
Noo! I love those room mates, they match! :p Long blonde hair club :D
Yuh, that must have been a while ago then. He is definately not struggling to cement a permanent spot in our team now. I don't Adam Schneider would be too happy if Amon left!
AHAHAHA!!! True, Snides would be upset to see his twin move... :( They are so cute together, i mean as mates! ><
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 17:17
Lol, i can't imagine any other club even wanting Bevan. Aw, did you see at the GF parade that LRT and Bevan sat in the same car.. it was so cute.
is2SWaNz
5 Oct 2006, 17:22
:O They sat next to each other? Oh no! I missed it! =.= I only remember ROK sitting with Amon. Omg, thats a hot combination!
off topic... :)
i reckon Spida has secured his spot in Sydney. :'( The 3 co-captains said they like him to play for Sydney. Omg, imagine Spida in a red and white outfit. :thumbsdn:
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 17:31
Yup, who else sat next to eachother? Ohh, Teddy and Tadhg.. that was cute aswell.. hm, Goodes and Lukey! Haha, they're all so cute.
Ew, i can't imagine him wearing red and white.. it would look weird.
is2SWaNz
5 Oct 2006, 18:02
Teddy and Tadhg... thats hot! :p
Omg, and with that tatoo of his. ergh...
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 18:25
I guess we have seen him in red, white and black.. but in a Swans uniform.. yuck.
robbieando
5 Oct 2006, 19:52
i know if i was a swans supporter i would be thinking about the next few years, as you have the opportunity to win a flag.
Sowould you rather be a dominant sidfe like Brisbanes with three flags (possibly 2) in a row, and then really strugle. or have 1 flag but have a stable future (but no guarantee of a flag).
i know which one i would want.
A stable side that can win now, but also build towards the future. Its no mistake that the Swans have made 9 out of the past 11 Finals Series, made 3 Grand Finals and won a Premiership yet rebuilt our squad at least 2 times in the process. You DON'T need to bottom out to rebuild you just need to be smart in how you trade and draft and the Swans have done just that in the past 15 years.
graystar
5 Oct 2006, 21:19
A stable side that can win now, but also build towards the future. Its no mistake that the Swans have made 9 out of the past 11 Finals Series, made 3 Grand Finals and won a Premiership yet rebuilt our squad at least 2 times in the process. You DON'T need to bottom out to rebuild you just need to be smart in how you trade and draft and the Swans have done just that in the past 15 years.:thumbsu:
legend_of_the_bloods
5 Oct 2006, 21:42
Why arent sydney looking at gardiner he is only 27, was once a number one draft pick and west coast are willing to throw him away...and sydney could settle him down look at Barry Hall and Tony locket for example
SWANNIES RULE
5 Oct 2006, 22:31
Gardiner is a menace, and idiot and a loose cannon. He is trouble so I don't think we should touch him.
IMO he is overrated. Do you remember his perfromance in the 05 GF?
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 22:45
Gardiner is a menace, and idiot and a loose cannon. He is trouble so I don't think we should touch him.
IMO he is overrated. Do you remember his perfromance in the 05 GF?
Lol, a performance easily forgotten.. he didn't do anything.. except get a few kicks in the forward 50 and then him missing all the shots on goal he had..
SWANNIES RULE
5 Oct 2006, 22:50
Yeah exactly, a very poor kick of the footy and very injury prone. I would prefer Everitt over Gardiner. And speaking of Everitt here is the latest news just in case you have not seen it already.
Sydney and Hawthorn have taken a step forward as they look to strike a deal for veteran ruckman Peter Everitt.
Swans coach Paul Roos did however back away from his assertion earlier in the week that the club's first and second-round draft picks would be off the table in any negotiations.
Speaking from the NAB AFL Draft Camp in Canberra, Roos said the club wouldn't give up its first-round pick in a draft regarded as the strongest in years, but may be in a position to do a second-round pick.
Roos also denied suggestions the club will be forced to trade away premiership players to fit Everitt in under the salary cap, citing that Leo Barry and Michael O'Loughlin will go onto the veteran's list and Paul Williams has retired this year, which will leave them pretty well placed.
Sportal
So it looks like Roos is not willing to give up pick 15, good on you Roosy.
natlovestheswans
5 Oct 2006, 22:53
"Awkward kick" - sums up him perfectly.