Cursed_Cat
4 Oct 2006, 13:18
Following on from Snoop and Ants threads, I thought I’d have a crack at exploring some possible courses Geelong might take as we approach trade week and the National draft …
of course, let me add the obvious disclaimer :
these are MY VIEWs, not necessarily what I think the club will do.
- any thoughts or views are appreciated, especially from fellow Cats supporters
List makeup :
By height :
196cm and over : King, Ottens, Blake, West, Playfair, McCarthy
191-197 cm : Scarlett, Harley, Egan, Spencer, Lonergan, Mooney, N. Ablett, Mackie
183-190 cm : Corey, Gardiner, Milburn, Hunt, Ling, Bartel, Enright, Gamble, S. Johnson, Kelly, Koulouriotis, Owen, Prismall, Rooke
182 cm and under : Ablett, Chapman, Tenace, Wojcinski, Varcoe, Byrnes, Stokes, D. Johnson, Callan
Games played :
100 + : King, Scarlett, Milburn, Mooney, Harley, Corey, Ablett, Enright, Ottens, Chapman, Ling
50-100 : Bartel, Gardiner, Hunt, D. Johnson, Kelly, Mackie, Playfair, Rooke, Wojcinski, S. Johnson
Under 50 : Tenace, Egan, Byrnes, Koulouriotis, McCarthy
Under 20 : Stokes, Longergan, Prismall, N. Ablett, Spencer, Gamble, Callan, Blake
0 : West, Varcoe, Owen
Facing the axe :
Forward Mathew McCarthy and defender Mathew Spencer are two key position players that have been on our list for a while – McCarthy has proven himself to be injury prone, but not without talent. Spencer is willing but lacks a yard in pace and isn’t particularly agile. I expect both of these talls to be delisted. Charlie Gardiner has had numerous opportunities to establish himself at senior level, but hasn’t grabbed his chances. Midfielder Paul Koulouriotis seems to have had his cards marked ‘never to play AFL again’ after a consistent VFL season.
Kent Kingsley has walked, he probably would have been chopped anyway.
Tom Lonergan’s future at the GFC is uncertain at this stage, he’ll be retained if he decides to continue on though.
Treading water :
Kane Tenace was a highly-rated draft selection when he came to Geelong; his career is currently in limbo. His debut season featured his best football to date, and he seems to have gone backwards at times. Ended the year in the VFL. Needs to lock down a wing for the Cats, and is capable of doing so if he eradicates fumbles and sloppy kicks when under pressure from his game.
Depth players :
David Johnson will never be more than a handy depth player at Geelong, but at his best he *is* handy – he lost form during ’06 but was back to his best by season’s end, and should be retained. Greater consistency will be expected from him, and I think he can respond ok. Mathew Stokes and Shannon Byrnes will continue to fight for the one spot in the senior side, both have the potential to improve and have their assets and weaknesses. If Henry Playfair is kept around, he’ll find it hard to get a regular senior game with Geelong, but he is a willing, big-bodied bloke with a great attitude – can’t kick much though
Time on their side :
Trent West, Travis Varcoe and Stephen Owen all had limited VFL campaigns, are young, and will be perservered with for some time yet. Varcoe should debut at some stage next season, West might sneak a game. Owen needs a full pre-season and at least half a year in the VFL before a senior game will be even a possibility.
Expected to step up :
Andrew Mackie has taken his time to develop, but has just re-signed to Geelong for three years, and would be looking to build upon an encouraging patch of form towards the end of ’06. Nathan Ablett found opportunities hard to come by in ’06 for some reason, but after a great end to the VFL season he should come under serious consideration for senior selection early next season, providing his pre-season campaign is vigorous enough. Mark Blake has been given a few nibbles of AFL footy, and should find himself in the seniors quite a bit next year, particularly given Stephen King’s recent injury history. Brent Prismall was given some exposure in ’06 and should continue to push for senior selection in ’07. Ryan Gamble made his debut in round 22 and could be a handy addition to the forward line next year, he has some assets that would mix well with our forward line.
Rookie kpp Todd Grima has been widely-touted for promotion to the senior list in ’07 after a very encouraging year in the VFL.
Call for back-up ? :
The ruck is an interesting situation – Brad Ottens has done pretty well when rucking, but is required to put in some time in the forward line each week. Stephen King has become a shadow of the player he once was, but, relieved of the captaincy, he’ll hopefully get a full pre-season under his belt and be a good contributor next season – regardless, I doubt he can ruck one-out anymore. Mark Blake has been given a few opportunities, but seems to lack a bit of co-ordination, not uncommon in young talls. Trent West was taken at pick 31 in a weak draft with mixed reports about his ability. He’s done ok with limited opportunities in the VFL this season, but how far can he progress ? That’s four ruckmen with nagging question marks over them – all could potentially improve or regress next season.
Rumours have already begun to surface that Travis Varcoe is homesick – with speedy fellas Shannon Byrnes and David Wojcinski in and out of the side and Tenace struggling to establish himself, there are queries over our 'greyhound' stocks imo …
- Our small-to-mid sized defenders had a shocking year collectively; Josh Hunt was very shakey at times, David Johnson lost his spot in the team at one point, and Tim Callan continues to struggle to establish himself. Geelong should look for support in this department either through the draft or via trade.
Potentially trade activity :
James Kelly’s name has been continually been thrown up since mid-season, despite his manager Liam Pickering’s assurances that he’ll be staying put at Geelong. Make of that what you will. Shannon Byrnes, Tim Callan and Henry Playfair are three that could follow Kent Kingsley’s lead in seeking opportunities elsewhere. I’d speculate that Geelong would be willing to deal on all three. Steve Johnson’s name is thrown up every now and then, but I’d be surprised if many teams would bite with the state of his ankles. Cameron Ling, Corey Enright, Joel Corey and Josh Hunt are far from ‘untouchable’, but it’d take a pretty juicy deal for Geelong to pull the trigger on ‘em I’d think …
If the GFC have any sense they’ll enquire about Daniel Bradshaw, and possibly Jason Akermanis.
So, the Draft :
No doubt all non-Geelong supporters are sick to death of hearing us smugly reminding everyone we’ve got Tom Hawkins ‘in the bag’ via the father-son rule.
This has addressed the biggest problem we’ve got on our list, key forwards –Kingsley, McCarthy, Playfair have been tried with very limited success. Cameron Mooney looks good at CHF these days *if* he can keep himself out of trouble for five minutes. Nathan Ablett is steadily improving, and should at the very least be counted upon to provide some back-up to Mooney next year. So suddenly the key forward stocks are looking reasonable.
Bomber Thompson himself has put the call out for blokes that can ‘run all day’, which would suggest that he’s hoping Stephen Wells and co. have some good midfielders in mind come draft day. With Hawkins in the bag (couldn’t help myself), it would come as no surprise to see Geelong call for the best available midfielder with their first selection.
National Draft picks
#7 : best available midfielder, with indigenous trio Jetta, Proud and Collard probably being given preference to Joel Selwood.
#25 : Using this selection in an effort to trade for Bradshaw or Akermanis is definitely on the cards. If we keep the pick we’ll go for more run – assuming Todd Grima is promoted, we can afford to go all out on running players – possibly Rhyce Prismall, who’s brother is on our list. W.A.’s Brock O’Brien is a chance here also if he’s lasted, as we lack mid-sized defenders. Jackson Sheringham could be looked at for the same reason. Travis Boak, a local product like Sheringham, has some talent and is also a possibility.
#41 : Tom Hawkins, eh …
#57 : If we haven’t got selected a mid-sized defender then this pick could be used on someone like James Frawley. I like the idea of picking up gutsy Vic Metro captain Leigh Adams and turning him into a Steven Baker-type too ...
I’m not sure we’d use any selections beyond #57 … :confused:
of course, let me add the obvious disclaimer :
these are MY VIEWs, not necessarily what I think the club will do.
- any thoughts or views are appreciated, especially from fellow Cats supporters
List makeup :
By height :
196cm and over : King, Ottens, Blake, West, Playfair, McCarthy
191-197 cm : Scarlett, Harley, Egan, Spencer, Lonergan, Mooney, N. Ablett, Mackie
183-190 cm : Corey, Gardiner, Milburn, Hunt, Ling, Bartel, Enright, Gamble, S. Johnson, Kelly, Koulouriotis, Owen, Prismall, Rooke
182 cm and under : Ablett, Chapman, Tenace, Wojcinski, Varcoe, Byrnes, Stokes, D. Johnson, Callan
Games played :
100 + : King, Scarlett, Milburn, Mooney, Harley, Corey, Ablett, Enright, Ottens, Chapman, Ling
50-100 : Bartel, Gardiner, Hunt, D. Johnson, Kelly, Mackie, Playfair, Rooke, Wojcinski, S. Johnson
Under 50 : Tenace, Egan, Byrnes, Koulouriotis, McCarthy
Under 20 : Stokes, Longergan, Prismall, N. Ablett, Spencer, Gamble, Callan, Blake
0 : West, Varcoe, Owen
Facing the axe :
Forward Mathew McCarthy and defender Mathew Spencer are two key position players that have been on our list for a while – McCarthy has proven himself to be injury prone, but not without talent. Spencer is willing but lacks a yard in pace and isn’t particularly agile. I expect both of these talls to be delisted. Charlie Gardiner has had numerous opportunities to establish himself at senior level, but hasn’t grabbed his chances. Midfielder Paul Koulouriotis seems to have had his cards marked ‘never to play AFL again’ after a consistent VFL season.
Kent Kingsley has walked, he probably would have been chopped anyway.
Tom Lonergan’s future at the GFC is uncertain at this stage, he’ll be retained if he decides to continue on though.
Treading water :
Kane Tenace was a highly-rated draft selection when he came to Geelong; his career is currently in limbo. His debut season featured his best football to date, and he seems to have gone backwards at times. Ended the year in the VFL. Needs to lock down a wing for the Cats, and is capable of doing so if he eradicates fumbles and sloppy kicks when under pressure from his game.
Depth players :
David Johnson will never be more than a handy depth player at Geelong, but at his best he *is* handy – he lost form during ’06 but was back to his best by season’s end, and should be retained. Greater consistency will be expected from him, and I think he can respond ok. Mathew Stokes and Shannon Byrnes will continue to fight for the one spot in the senior side, both have the potential to improve and have their assets and weaknesses. If Henry Playfair is kept around, he’ll find it hard to get a regular senior game with Geelong, but he is a willing, big-bodied bloke with a great attitude – can’t kick much though
Time on their side :
Trent West, Travis Varcoe and Stephen Owen all had limited VFL campaigns, are young, and will be perservered with for some time yet. Varcoe should debut at some stage next season, West might sneak a game. Owen needs a full pre-season and at least half a year in the VFL before a senior game will be even a possibility.
Expected to step up :
Andrew Mackie has taken his time to develop, but has just re-signed to Geelong for three years, and would be looking to build upon an encouraging patch of form towards the end of ’06. Nathan Ablett found opportunities hard to come by in ’06 for some reason, but after a great end to the VFL season he should come under serious consideration for senior selection early next season, providing his pre-season campaign is vigorous enough. Mark Blake has been given a few nibbles of AFL footy, and should find himself in the seniors quite a bit next year, particularly given Stephen King’s recent injury history. Brent Prismall was given some exposure in ’06 and should continue to push for senior selection in ’07. Ryan Gamble made his debut in round 22 and could be a handy addition to the forward line next year, he has some assets that would mix well with our forward line.
Rookie kpp Todd Grima has been widely-touted for promotion to the senior list in ’07 after a very encouraging year in the VFL.
Call for back-up ? :
The ruck is an interesting situation – Brad Ottens has done pretty well when rucking, but is required to put in some time in the forward line each week. Stephen King has become a shadow of the player he once was, but, relieved of the captaincy, he’ll hopefully get a full pre-season under his belt and be a good contributor next season – regardless, I doubt he can ruck one-out anymore. Mark Blake has been given a few opportunities, but seems to lack a bit of co-ordination, not uncommon in young talls. Trent West was taken at pick 31 in a weak draft with mixed reports about his ability. He’s done ok with limited opportunities in the VFL this season, but how far can he progress ? That’s four ruckmen with nagging question marks over them – all could potentially improve or regress next season.
Rumours have already begun to surface that Travis Varcoe is homesick – with speedy fellas Shannon Byrnes and David Wojcinski in and out of the side and Tenace struggling to establish himself, there are queries over our 'greyhound' stocks imo …
- Our small-to-mid sized defenders had a shocking year collectively; Josh Hunt was very shakey at times, David Johnson lost his spot in the team at one point, and Tim Callan continues to struggle to establish himself. Geelong should look for support in this department either through the draft or via trade.
Potentially trade activity :
James Kelly’s name has been continually been thrown up since mid-season, despite his manager Liam Pickering’s assurances that he’ll be staying put at Geelong. Make of that what you will. Shannon Byrnes, Tim Callan and Henry Playfair are three that could follow Kent Kingsley’s lead in seeking opportunities elsewhere. I’d speculate that Geelong would be willing to deal on all three. Steve Johnson’s name is thrown up every now and then, but I’d be surprised if many teams would bite with the state of his ankles. Cameron Ling, Corey Enright, Joel Corey and Josh Hunt are far from ‘untouchable’, but it’d take a pretty juicy deal for Geelong to pull the trigger on ‘em I’d think …
If the GFC have any sense they’ll enquire about Daniel Bradshaw, and possibly Jason Akermanis.
So, the Draft :
No doubt all non-Geelong supporters are sick to death of hearing us smugly reminding everyone we’ve got Tom Hawkins ‘in the bag’ via the father-son rule.
This has addressed the biggest problem we’ve got on our list, key forwards –Kingsley, McCarthy, Playfair have been tried with very limited success. Cameron Mooney looks good at CHF these days *if* he can keep himself out of trouble for five minutes. Nathan Ablett is steadily improving, and should at the very least be counted upon to provide some back-up to Mooney next year. So suddenly the key forward stocks are looking reasonable.
Bomber Thompson himself has put the call out for blokes that can ‘run all day’, which would suggest that he’s hoping Stephen Wells and co. have some good midfielders in mind come draft day. With Hawkins in the bag (couldn’t help myself), it would come as no surprise to see Geelong call for the best available midfielder with their first selection.
National Draft picks
#7 : best available midfielder, with indigenous trio Jetta, Proud and Collard probably being given preference to Joel Selwood.
#25 : Using this selection in an effort to trade for Bradshaw or Akermanis is definitely on the cards. If we keep the pick we’ll go for more run – assuming Todd Grima is promoted, we can afford to go all out on running players – possibly Rhyce Prismall, who’s brother is on our list. W.A.’s Brock O’Brien is a chance here also if he’s lasted, as we lack mid-sized defenders. Jackson Sheringham could be looked at for the same reason. Travis Boak, a local product like Sheringham, has some talent and is also a possibility.
#41 : Tom Hawkins, eh …
#57 : If we haven’t got selected a mid-sized defender then this pick could be used on someone like James Frawley. I like the idea of picking up gutsy Vic Metro captain Leigh Adams and turning him into a Steven Baker-type too ...
I’m not sure we’d use any selections beyond #57 … :confused: