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Glenno23
5 Oct 2006, 02:52
Well here it is, deride me all you want :o

Playing a $109 tourney on PP today before work. 330 runners. 1st place was paying 10K. Was playing very well, picking up a few small pots here and there and then i picked up 2 monsters of 5K plus each (before the 1st break) so i was up to about 14K in chips when blinds were 200/400 (chip leaders were about 20K) after the 1st break my cards dried up for a while, no biggie i thought, i will wait, as i have time and money up my sleeve.

Got down to 90 players and i am down to 12K. I see AJ hearts, blinds are 300/600 so i kick it up to 1200 (everyone had folded to me, about 3 players) then a guy 2 seats from the button, kicks it up to 4K, i immediately put him on Pocket J's or better..... here is where it gets bad :thumbsd:

I go all in...... He has me covered for chips by about 2K. even though i put him on a big pair, and i think i'm way behind, i still push. why? i have no idea. he has to call another 6K, which he does and he has..... QQ

Flop is K1010, turn a J (only thing that can save me is a J) and a K comes. I'm out.

Now in hindsight (and at the time) i knew it was a bad call, but still did it. i am angry at myself, because after seeing the flop, if i had just called his raise, i think i might have been able to outplay him, as there was an over card and 2 10's, if i was holding either, i would have him beat and he MIGHT have folded, but by pushing i took that equation out and made it a race in which i was behind. It's a weakness in my game and am trying to work on it.

The reason i think i might have been able to outplay him, earlier we had ended up heads up in a pot. I raised triple the big blind (blinds were 50-100)with AsJd and he kicked it up by double my raise. i called and the flop was Qd10d4d, he checked, i sensed weakness and put a pot size bet out and he folded. he told me he had 2 black jacks. i had a straight and flush draw, i figured the chances of me hitting were good, so even if he called, i was still looking alright.

Now i am going to make it a huge focus of mine to work on this weakness.

What times have you guys made bad calls and paid for it?

Crosby87
5 Oct 2006, 06:13
You're right, it is a bad play. I don't think there's any reason to try and outplay him there, especially if you've put him on big cards.

Had you dumped it there, you've lost a small pot, rather than losing a big one. I think a re-raise generally indicates a big hand, unless he's a super aggressive player. If he has a small pair, or two big cards (save A-K), he may just call.

The reason i think i might have been able to outplay him, earlier we had ended up heads up in a pot. I raised triple the big blind (blinds were 50-100)with AsJd and he kicked it up by double my raise. i called and the flop was Qd10d4d, he checked, i sensed weakness and put a pot size bet out and he folded

If he's a tight player, or a weak player, yes, you should be firing a lot when you sense weakness. But there's a difference between taking down a pot with a bet on the flop, and moving in pre-flop. As I mentioned, there's nothing wrong with dumping your hand pre-flop, especially if you're up against a tight player. You have to think that if he has a big pair, he's likely NOT going to make a huge lay down there, thinking he's up against Aces. I mean, not everyone is Phil Hellmuth.

But, at least you have identified your mistakes, which is a good thing. As far as bad calls go, I'm sure everyone on the forum has made a bad call, a bad read, or made a mis-timed move from time to time. And that's how you learn.

red+black
5 Oct 2006, 10:12
What times have you guys made bad calls and paid for it?
Good post mate. Bad play I've made was in a Crown SnG early this year. Post-flop in position with KT, King flops, I bet, get raised by a tight player, my head explodes, I push, he calls. He shows AK and I'm out. Was very annoyed with myself, but it was a valuable lesson.

Crosby87
5 Oct 2006, 11:06
Was very annoyed with myself, but it was a valuable lesson.

Exactly. You may be pissed at yourself, but that's how you learn, from mistakes. Most times it's key to know when you've made a mistake - which is what seperates most of us from idiots who don't know they've done something wrong, and just brush it off as bad luck, or "I didn't get any cards".

red+black
5 Oct 2006, 11:30
The first step is admitting you have a problem :D