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2 rumours mentioned by SEN. Anthony Hudson I think
Medhurst to Geelong for ???
Callan to StKilda for ???
nananana catman
9 Oct 2006, 22:22
2 rumours mentioned by SEN. Anthony Hudson I think
Medhurst to Geelong for ???
Callan to StKilda for ???
Maybe get a late pick of the saints and on trade for Medhurst, though I think we are wasting our time with him, hes a soft player.
Reg Hickey
9 Oct 2006, 23:18
Maybe get a late pick of the saints and on trade for Medhurst, though I think we are wasting our time with him, hes a soft player.
Why would we want Medhurst??
Our problem has been key forwards, and he aint one.
Mooney_d'King
9 Oct 2006, 23:25
2 rumours mentioned by SEN. Anthony Hudson I think
Medhurst to Geelong for ???
Callan to StKilda for ???
I can't really see the value in Medhurst either. Remember the GFC v Freo game we won this season? Medhurst was s***canned by the commentators, and the commentators were Freo biased!
Why would we want Medhurst??
He's just another version of Thurley.He's okay in patches across half forward/forward pocket,but can't play midfield.
We've got Jr,Chappy,Dog,Vegas & Stokes that can all play half forward/forward pocket and play in the midfield.No need for Medhurst.
He's just another version of Thurley.He's okay in patches across half forward/forward pocket,but can't play midfield.
We've got Jr,Chappy,Dog,Vegas & Stokes that can all play half forward/forward pocket and play in the midfield.No need for Medhurst.
I guess the thinking is because Dog gets injured so much, they need a marking medium forward in there.
It would allow for Chappy and Gaz to play more in the middle as well.
Wouldn't be against it if it didn't cost much in compensation.
patdman
10 Oct 2006, 04:18
Not a fan of Medhurst, always seemed like a bit of a tool, and goes missing too often. Although I remember him kicking a bag of 7 a while back...which would make him a fair bit better than Thurley.
Interesting, Geelong officially declared Steve Johnson is for trade (along with Playfair) which might have something to do with our chasing of Medhurst.
Rustybugles
10 Oct 2006, 08:34
2 rumours mentioned by SEN. Anthony Hudson I think
Medhurst to Geelong for ???
Callan to StKilda for ???
Tim Callan needs a new start - St K would suit him - good kid but one of too many vying for midfield positions. Do not write off Medhurst - he is articulate, like Judd, (without his amazing talent) and stands for no nonsense from the media - as a result gets stick from them. He has a good, straight and amazingly long kick - and don't we need someone like this!!! Maybe just another bit of waffle associated with trade week, though. Bradshaw is too expensive!
holdencaulfield
10 Oct 2006, 09:14
IMHO Medhurst plays more like a key forward than a crumber and is nothing like Thurly. I think he would give us just as much as Bradshaw without having to give up any where near as much. He also wouldn't be competeing for game time with Nathan And Tomahawk like Bradshaw would.
As for Callen good couragous , honest player who hasn't really established himself , if he goes then good luck to him.
Say yes to Medhurst.
Partridge
10 Oct 2006, 09:44
Tim Callan needs a new start - St K would suit him - good kid but one of too many vying for midfield positions. Do not write off Medhurst - he is articulate, like Judd, (without his amazing talent) and stands for no nonsense from the media - as a result gets stick from them. He has a good, straight and amazingly long kick - and don't we need someone like this!!! Maybe just another bit of waffle associated with trade week, though. Bradshaw is too expensive!
Tim Callan is not a midfielder, in any way, shape or form. He is a small defender. He's also unlucky he doesn't get more senior opportunities. Be disappointed to see him go if it transpires.
Paul Medhurst has talent, but is also lazy, selfish and horribly inconsistent. He might be the most eloquent player in the league, that's not why he gets baked in the press. He simply doesn't perform often enough. Do you think it's a coincidence that Freo started winning consistently once he got dropped?
volcboy
10 Oct 2006, 09:44
Medhurst??? Please say this is a joke.
Geelong declares that Steve Johnson is available for trade, then possibly goes after Medhurst.
I would like anyone out there to explain to me how Medhurst could be considered a better player than Steve Johnson.
Medhurst is incredibly inconsistent, he goes missing when tagged, he plays for free kicks, he's shorter than SJ and a much poorer overhead mark, he doesn't have the fitness to run in the midfield.
Please tell me that this rumour is a joke.
Jack-Packenham
10 Oct 2006, 09:51
Did Medhurst kick 10 goals in a game against Brisbane when they were at there best.
wizard_9
10 Oct 2006, 09:56
Did Medhurst kick 10 goals in a game against Brisbane when they were at there best.
9 it was, we will take a straight swap for Steven Johnson.
volcboy
10 Oct 2006, 09:59
9 it was, we will take a straight swap for Steven Johnson.
You can see how keen Freo supporters are to get rid of the useless crab Medhurst, whose omission from Freo's team this year coincided with their winning streak.
Enough said.
wizard_9
10 Oct 2006, 10:09
You can see how keen Freo supporters are to get rid of the useless crab Medhurst, whose omission from Freo's team this year coincided with their winning streak.
Enough said.
Id prefer to keep him, but i rate Johnson extremely highly.
catempire
10 Oct 2006, 10:11
2006
Medhurst - 12 games, 12 goals
S. Johnson - 15 games, 30 goals
Straight swap? You've got to be kidding.
Oscarlett
10 Oct 2006, 10:32
I will lose my mind if they trade in Medhurst full stop, let alone swap for SJ.
WTF is going on!
Callan we should keep for one more year, he is an injury or two from getting a decent run in the firsts.
malvern
10 Oct 2006, 10:40
Do we really want to swap a talented but lazy and inconsistent forward for another talented but lazy and inconsistent forward?
Makes no sense to me.
Mooney_d'King
10 Oct 2006, 10:57
Do we really want to swap a talented but lazy and inconsistent forward for another talented but lazy and inconsistent forward?
Makes no sense to me.
Indeed - check this out:
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Medhurst a work in progress
2 August 2006
Justin Chadwick
Sportal for afl.com.au
He has the uncanny ability to excite and frustrate fans within a matter of seconds in a football match, but unfortunately for Fremantle, it has been the frustrating aspects that have featured prominently in Paul Medhurst's 2006 campaign.
Although Medhurst has played 12 of 17 games this season, he has struggled for consistency up forward and is averaging just 12 possessions and one goal per match.
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Sound familiar? However, at least the guy can run and seems to have two functional ankles...
Rustybugles
10 Oct 2006, 11:14
Medhurst??? Please say this is a joke.
Geelong declares that Steve Johnson is available for trade, then possibly goes after Medhurst.
I would like anyone out there to explain to me how Medhurst could be considered a better player than Steve Johnson.
Medhurst is incredibly inconsistent, he goes missing when tagged, he plays for free kicks, he's shorter than SJ and a much poorer overhead mark, he doesn't have the fitness to run in the midfield.
Please tell me that this rumour is a joke.
Tim Callan has informally expressed his desire to play in the midfield. I would keep him - move Kelly on - talk about players being selfish and lazy!!!
Simplistic to say tha Freo only won when Medhurst wasn't playing. He is highly regarded in W.A. An Eagles player said during the season that he is very, very hard to play on when he is at his best - if we picked him up our problem would be - can Bomber groom him and bring out the best? - that is the risk. What about Mc Dougall - or have we had our fingers burnt too often with importing forwards from the West?
volcboy
10 Oct 2006, 11:22
Simplistic to say tha Freo only won when Medhurst wasn't playing. He is highly regarded in W.A. An Eagles player said during the season that he is very, very hard to play on when he is at his best
Has the same question been asked of people who play on Steve Johnson? I would suggest that the answer would be similar.
- if we picked him up our problem would be - can Bomber groom him and bring out the best? - that is the risk.
If you can point out one player on our list that Bomber has groomed and brought out the best in, I'd be surprised. Kelly? Tenace? Mackie? NAblett? Surprising (or not) that all these players tended to play better at both VFL and AFL level after a stint in the VFL under Tudor.
Mooney_d'King
10 Oct 2006, 11:25
Tim Callan has informally expressed his desire to play in the midfield. I would keep him - move Kelly on - talk about players being selfish and lazy!!!
Simplistic to say tha Freo only won when Medhurst wasn't playing. He is highly regarded in W.A. An Eagles player said during the season that he is very, very hard to play on when he is at his best - if we picked him up our problem would be - can Bomber groom him and bring out the best? - that is the risk. What about Mc Dougall - or have we had our fingers burnt too often with importing forwards from the West?
I think McDougall is being sought by the Bullies from memory (a tall option).
Callan in the midfield could be interesting (I don't know what his skills are like). However, if Bomber is gonna be focussing on coaching next year, maybe he will be able to spend more time grooming players, as you suggest...
Unwritten_Law
10 Oct 2006, 11:37
Simplistic to say tha Freo only won when Medhurst wasn't playing.
It's not if you look at the theory behind it.
Medhurst is a 178cm full forward, a #1 target in the forward line.
Check out his record.
He kicked 50 and 40 in consecutive seasons in 03 and 04.
Pavlich was then moved forward in 05 and Medhurst's output dropped to 27 goals as he was no longer the major target in the forward line.
This year Fremantle unearthed Ryan Murphy to play at FF and Medhurst kicked a grand total of 12 goals in 12 games before getting dropped just as Fremantle went on their winning streak.
178cm full forwards go missing when the heat is on, as Freo have done the last few years.
Freo put a forward structure in place with genuine key forwards that can take contested grabs and don't rely on space to be effective and *shock horror* they started winning crunch games and made a preliminary final.
See also: "Phinals" Phil Matera and the Eagles.
Steve Johnson kicked 30 for the season as a complimentary forward. We would be crazy to trade him for Medhurst.
They are completely different players and the only common trait between them is their laziness.
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 11:45
We need to recruit guys who will be able to play when the heat is on.
Medhurst always goes missing in big games.
Mooney_d'King
10 Oct 2006, 11:46
It's not if you look at the theory behind it.
Medhurst is a 178cm full forward, a #1 target in the forward line.
Check out his record.
He kicked 50 and 40 in consecutive seasons in 03 and 04.
Pavlich was then moved forward in 05 and Medhurst's output dropped to 27 goals as he was no longer the major target in the forward line.
This year Fremantle unearthed Ryan Murphy to play at FF and Medhurst kicked a grand total of 12 goals in 12 games before getting dropped just as Fremantle went on their winning streak.
178cm full forwards go missing when the heat is on, as Freo have done the last few years.
Freo put a forward structure in place with genuine key forwards that can take contested grabs and don't rely on space to be effective and *shock horror* they started winning crunch games and made a preliminary final.
See also: "Phinals" Phil Matera and the Eagles.
Steve Johnson kicked 30 for the season as a complimentary forward. We would be crazy to trade him for Medhurst.
They are completely different players and the only common trait between them is their laziness.
Wow, excellent thoughts, well done.:thumbsu:
year of the cat
10 Oct 2006, 11:57
I would be very upset if we traded our second round pick (as has been rumoured) for Medhurst. Bomber stated that this draft was to be used to pick up "fast skilled midfielders". To be dropping a second round pick for an inconsistent small forward to me goes against some of the results of the recent review which we were told was going to be used as our blueprint for the future.
I could excuse this pick being used to pick up Bradshaw as he would be a conduit until both N.Ablett and Hawkins both matured into regular senior players. He also has the versatility to be able to be moved down back if required.
If the Bradshaw deal falls through then we should hold that second round pick, particularly in this draft which is so highly regarded. I sometimes wonder whether rational decision-making gets thrown out the door in the excitement of trade week. Players get rated far higher than they are really worth at any other time of the year.
fishman
10 Oct 2006, 12:03
Medhurst for Kingsley and a packet of frozen peas?
charlie4prez
10 Oct 2006, 12:36
Medhurst for Kingsley and a packet of frozen peas?
Whoa whoa whoa! hang on there a minute, are you talking about the good birdseye brand peas or the dodgy safeway brand generic peas? We don't wanna get ripped off here!:) Medhurst is a pretty boy ponce who spent more time scruffing up his rats tale so it looked rugged than worrying where the ball was when we played them. Has a terrible kicking action, no routine when he comes to kick (ie - he tries to kick them from 50 off two steps) and really stabs at the ball. Kicking style reminds me of McCarthey at his worst. Medhurst is a chump and is the last person we wanna pick up.:thumbsd:
Barrabus
10 Oct 2006, 15:45
Do think GFC might feign to trade SJ just to light a fire under him. He needs it.
doofdoof
10 Oct 2006, 16:43
I wish we would take Callan, he'd release Shaw or Swan to take more midfield duties.
It's not if you look at the theory behind it.
Medhurst is a 178cm full forward, a #1 target in the forward line.
Check out his record.
He kicked 50 and 40 in consecutive seasons in 03 and 04.
Pavlich was then moved forward in 05 and Medhurst's output dropped to 27 goals as he was no longer the major target in the forward line.
This year Fremantle unearthed Ryan Murphy to play at FF and Medhurst kicked a grand total of 12 goals in 12 games before getting dropped just as Fremantle went on their winning streak.
178cm full forwards go missing when the heat is on, as Freo have done the last few years.
Freo put a forward structure in place with genuine key forwards that can take contested grabs and don't rely on space to be effective and *shock horror* they started winning crunch games and made a preliminary final.
See also: "Phinals" Phil Matera and the Eagles.
Steve Johnson kicked 30 for the season as a complimentary forward. We would be crazy to trade him for Medhurst.
They are completely different players and the only common trait between them is their laziness.
As far as Medhurst and forward line structures go; bingo.
Callan will be an absolute bargin trade, he will be a 100 game player, and i don't think we'll get a pick inside the top 50 for him.
mckinale
10 Oct 2006, 19:54
Callan will be an absolute bargin trade, he will be a 100 game player, and i don't think we'll get a pick inside the top 50 for him.
agreed
watching his last few games in the vfl i would almost go as far to say
out of any player with his body type i would back him in to go the hardest at the footy. he is right he has unfairly been given no opportunities but he is going to always give his 110%
its not worth the lottery pick in the draft for him
WestCat
10 Oct 2006, 22:56
agreed
watching his last few games in the vfl i would almost go as far to say
out of any player with his body type i would back him in to go the hardest at the footy. he is right he has unfairly been given no opportunities but he is going to always give his 110%
its not worth the lottery pick in the draft for him
I agree, he's been stiff not to get a game. I don't see many VFL games (in fact, up until a couple of weeks ago I hadn't seen any), but after seeing the last 2 VFL games and watching him live in the VFL GF, he's a pretty handy small defender. He doesn't give his opponent any space when the opposition's got the ball, but runs to create an option when we've got the ball, that and the fact that he never shirks a contest. His skills seem pretty good, my only query would be on his pace, but I reckon he'd keep up with most small forwards and would be smart enough to keep himself in the contest.
As for Medhurst, I say no, unless we get him for a fourth rounder. Medhurst just isn't good enough when the ball hits the ground to be a small forward. He's a very, very good mark for his size, but he needs more to his game. The reason why Farmer got the gig over Medders is this simple fact, he's not as good a mark as Medhurst, but he's 50 times better when the pill hits the deck. I'd rather see Stokes, Gamble or Varcoe prowling around the forward line, ideally Stokes, the kid looks the goods, played an outstanding VFL GF.
And the mention on McDougall caught my eye as well. I don't reckon he'll make it as a forward (although with the size he is now, he just might), but as a CHB he could be good. He's tall (about 197cm) mobile (always did well at athletics and has played as a tall midfielder at school), but lacks the aggression required to be a good forward. I wouldn't say that he's soft, but he's just not going to crash packs or hit the ball hard. As a defender chasing someone around, all he needs to do is keep up and then use his long arms to spoil. I know the Doggies are pretty sold on him, but I'd like to see the Cats have a crack at him.
mckinale
10 Oct 2006, 23:03
And the mention on McDougall caught my eye as well. I don't reckon he'll make it as a forward (although with the size he is now, he just might), but as a CHB he could be good. He's tall (about 197cm) mobile (always did well at athletics and has played as a tall midfielder at school), but lacks the aggression required to be a good forward. I wouldn't say that he's soft, but he's just not going to crash packs or hit the ball hard. As a defender chasing someone around, all he needs to do is keep up and then use his long arms to spoil. I know the Doggies are pretty sold on him, but I'd like to see the Cats have a crack at him.
agree
surely we could upgrade the wce pick a couple of places more than the dogs?