View Full Version : Steve Johnson up for trade.
ablettjnr
10 Oct 2006, 11:21
As read in the Herald Sun.
Keep him, please....KEEP HIM!
Rosella
10 Oct 2006, 11:23
I'd rather keep him, 2 goals per game average for 2006 was better than anyone else we had.
Mooney_d'King
10 Oct 2006, 11:27
Check the Medhurst and Callan thread for this argument.
Jack-Packenham
10 Oct 2006, 11:28
I'd rather keep him, 2 goals per game average for 2006 was better than anyone else we had.
But how many goals did the opposition score due to his lack of chasing and pressure ???
Sammy D
10 Oct 2006, 11:40
I'd let him leave subject to the deal.
Rustybugles
10 Oct 2006, 11:42
But how many goals did the opposition score due to his lack of chasing and pressure ???
This was always the problem with Steve J. - ankles don't allow him to chase - mind doesn't work that way either, unfortunately! The brilliant snaps are what we recall - the dozens of skewed set shots is deplorable and the limitation already mentioned all indicate a trade.
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 11:43
I'd let him leave subject to the deal.
That is pretty much what it comes down to. There is talk of us trying to upgrade our second round pick (25) by adding Johnson as well. Not sure if this would appeal to anyone, perhaps the Bombers who have pick 18.
volcboy
10 Oct 2006, 11:48
I can't see how trading SJ for anything other than a 1st round pick (which we won't get) would lead to Geelong recruiting a better player. Trading him to Essendon just to upgrade pick 25 to pick 18 is ridiculous - in a deep draft, there won't be a great difference between pick 18 & 25.
Geelong Management Logic:
Steve Johnson kicked 30 goals in 14 games this year, at an average of 2.14 per game. His goals per game average was the best in our team by some margin. We are a side that struggles to kick winning scores. So, lets trade of our most prolific forward, as that will improve our chances of kicking winning scores in 2007. We would do better with a 2nd or 3rd round draft picked 18 year old who may or may not be any good, and may or may not ever play a game. Or we could trade one of our draft picks and pass it on to Freo for Paul Medhurst, a 'consistent' small forward who kicked 12 goals in 12 games in 2006, who has a great attitude to the game and has expressed no interest in moving to our club.
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 11:52
I can't see how trading SJ for anything other than a 1st round pick (which we won't get) would lead to Geelong recruiting a better player. Trading him to Essendon just to upgrade pick 25 to pick 18 is ridiculous - in a deep draft, there won't be a great difference between pick 18 & 25.
What about Johnson and pick 25 for Collingwoods pick 10, if that was on the table you would definetely have to consider it. It basically gives us 3 picks in the top 11, doesnt come around very often.
ablettjnr
10 Oct 2006, 11:52
My thought's exactly volcboy. I would want a first rounder, and you're not gonna get it.
ablettjnr
10 Oct 2006, 11:54
What about Johnson and pick 25 for Collingwoods pick 10, if that was on the table you would definetely have to consider it. It basically gives us 3 picks in the top 11, doesnt come around very often.
Is this including Hawkins?
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 11:56
Is this including Hawkins?
we have pick 7, and hawkins already. Yup. 3 of the top 11 in one of the best drafts ever...
Unwritten_Law
10 Oct 2006, 12:06
What about Johnson and pick 25 for Collingwoods pick 10, if that was on the table you would definetely have to consider it. It basically gives us 3 picks in the top 11, doesnt come around very often.
In theory it is sound but there is not going to be a hell of a lot of difference between a player we pick up at 10 and 25. The "super" part of the draft drops off after pick 3/4, it's just even after that. According to the SEN newsbreak we are still having a massive crack at Bradshaw, I would prefer to use SJ there.
darren forssman
10 Oct 2006, 12:07
But how many goals did the opposition score due to his lack of chasing and pressure ???
the 40 odd possessions corey jones lazily picked up were telling...johnson was nowhere to be seen.
or what about the open set shots running into goal when he drilled into the opposition players chest on the last line of defence.
he is tradeable if the right deal comes up...plain and simple
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 12:12
In theory it is sound but there is not going to be a hell of a lot of difference between a player we pick up at 10 and 25. The "super" part of the draft drops off after pick 3/4, it's just even after that. According to the SEN newsbreak we are still having a massive crack at Bradshaw, I would prefer to use SJ there.
im just going on what I heard, I heard they are keen on Bradshaw, and are looking to use Johnson to upgrade pick 25.
BigCat1
10 Oct 2006, 12:33
Why do I get the feeling we are about to do something very very stupid
A 28 yr old Bradshaw is not worth pick 7, Johnson and 500K in our cap.
And to offset Johnson they'll trade for Medhurst?????
I could only barely stomach Johnson & pick 25 for an upgrade to say pick 10. Johnson was our only dangerous forward and has so much of that word potential and 'what if' (preseason, ankle, maturity, strength). Would rather Kelly
Yes we would have two top 10 picks plus Hawkins but there will be dud's in the top 10 just like there was in the 01 Superdraft
Unwritten_Law
10 Oct 2006, 12:55
Yes we would have two top 10 picks plus Hawkins but there will be dud's in the top 10 just like there was in the 01 Superdraft
Ssssshhhh everyone thinks we are going to get Judd as everyone in the top 10 would be a number one pick in any other draft.
In saying that I think we have to keep 7 because we really do lack quality players coming through, we haven't hit with a first rounder since Bartel.
Prismall and Gamble could turn out to be pretty good players but after that we are completely bare as far as the midfield is concerned.
7 should be off limits for Bradshaw.
As for Medhurst I think I've made my opinion on that clear already.
Scarlett30
10 Oct 2006, 13:13
Only a stupid football club would trade Steve Johnson....
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
10 Oct 2006, 13:32
IF WE TRADE STEVE JOHNSON THEN I'M GOING TO DECLARE JIHAD ON THE CLUB.
And for all those who disagree, please read and comment on my review of him (posted Sunday night) on the review thread.
Also take specific notice of my review of his game against the Kangaroos.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5999767#post5999767
Ricketts
10 Oct 2006, 13:33
We'd better not trade Steve for Paul Medhurst. Apart from being a much better player, he brings us oh so much more excitement, whether that be flashes of brilliance or horrific stuff-ups. We all love it.
purring
10 Oct 2006, 13:45
Love to see everyones passion. Were people this passionate about getting rid of Bomber. Dog is useless. Medhurst is a very good player, I would do that trade in a second.
Ricketts
10 Oct 2006, 13:47
Dog is useless.
:rolleyes:
Medhurst is a very good player,
:rolleyes:
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
10 Oct 2006, 13:51
Love to see everyones passion. Were people this passionate about getting rid of Bomber. Dog is useless. Medhurst is a very good player, I would do that trade in a second.
I can't believe you just said that mate.
purring
10 Oct 2006, 13:55
I can't believe you just said that mate.what you have to understand is that the Dogs ankles are bloody stuffed. Would Geelong trade a bloke who is STILL under contract if they thought his best footy was ahead of him.. I don't believe so. Medhurst IS a good player. and he is not injury prone like the dog is. We all have differnt opinions on things and that is what makes the world great... isn't it ;)
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
10 Oct 2006, 13:58
what you have to understand is that the Dogs ankles are bloody stuffed. Would Geelong trade a bloke who is STILL under contract if they thought his best footy was ahead of him.. I don't believe so. Medhurst IS a good player. and he is not injury prone like the dog is. We all have differnt opinions on things and that is what makes the world great... isn't it ;)
'The Coonskin Hat' can't even get a game.
If people want to get rid of Johnson because of his mistakes, Medhurst isn't the man you want there either.
Take your point about the ankles, but are they really? He only missed one game (Round 1) to ankle complaints all year, and averaged more goals per game than any other player. Can we afford to lose that?
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=9&pid1=37&tid2=10&pid2=479
Go Hoops
10 Oct 2006, 14:03
Can we afford to lose that?
Nup! He and Ablett are our only two impact players. If we swap him for Medhurst we're nuts.:thumbsd:
Barrabus
10 Oct 2006, 14:04
No way! Forget winning, we just want players that do stuff that looks good.
It's all about the highlight reel. Winning is not part of what being a Geelong fan is about.
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
10 Oct 2006, 14:06
No way! Forget winning, we just want players that do stuff that looks good.
It's all about the highlight reel. Winning is not part of what being a Geelong fan is about.
Yeah, so you MUST be a fan of the Medhurst trade then with that sarcastic opinion.
Budda 230
10 Oct 2006, 14:21
Dog is useless. Medhurst is a very good player, I would do that trade in a second.
Medhurst = 12 goals, 12 games
Johnson = 30 goals, 15 games
If Geelong trade something of any value for Medhurst, I'll be an angry supporter.
darren forssman
10 Oct 2006, 14:37
Also take specific notice of my review of his game against the Kangaroos.
but you dont realise that the commentators were bagging him for his accountability. corey jones racked up 40 odd possessions and was mopping up any forward thrust, and why?? coz steve johnson wasnt playing accountable footballer nor making corey jones pay for playing off of him.
im not saying trade him for medhurst but johnson is far from untradeable...especially as the years go on and his lack of training and preparation will continue to take their toll. he only played 15 games this season and i think its a given he may never play a full season again.
Partridge
10 Oct 2006, 15:35
Love to see everyones passion. Were people this passionate about getting rid of Bomber. Dog is useless. Medhurst is a very good player, I would do that trade in a second.
Some of us were more passionate about getting rid of Thompson - but you can't make tough decisions at Geelong. It would upset too many of the morons in the outer. Most of us who suggested it were howled down.
No way is Medhurst a better option than Johnson. If Johnson is inconsistent what the hell is Medhurst? Johnson annoys the hell out of me, but at least he knows where the goals are - which is more than you can about Gardiner, McCarthy, Kingsley etc.
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
10 Oct 2006, 15:44
but you dont realise that the commentators were bagging him for his accountability. corey jones racked up 40 odd possessions and was mopping up any forward thrust, and why?? coz steve johnson wasnt playing accountable footballer nor making corey jones pay for playing off of him.
im not saying trade him for medhurst but johnson is far from untradeable...especially as the years go on and his lack of training and preparation will continue to take their toll. he only played 15 games this season and i think its a given he may never play a full season again.
I agree, it wasn't his best game. But think of where we really lost the match. It wasn't from the half-forward flank. You would think that when two major ball-winners go down early, that it is a must that the other midfielders step up. We lost the game in the guts. Corey, Kelly and Wojcinski all had less had less than 20 touches. Not good enough. The whole team was down that day, I'd argue those three moreso than Johnson.
And well said, Partridge.
TheTimeCometh
10 Oct 2006, 16:04
SJ for Paul Hudson.
But how many goals did the opposition score due to his lack of chasing and pressure ???
In one of Dogs early games back from injury he ran 50m to chase down a player (forgot the team and player) and laid a terrific tackle stopping a certain goal.
Alot of bigfooty was praising him for that. And he does alot.
If we trade SJ i will officially not care, because the club certainly doesn't. He is an inspiration, a mercurial player, a natural goal kicker, a gameturner.
Scarlett30
10 Oct 2006, 16:23
In one of Dogs early games back from injury he ran 50m to chase down a player (forgot the team and player) and laid a terrific tackle stopping a certain goal.
Alot of bigfooty was praising him for that. And he does alot.
If we trade SJ i will officially not care, because the club certainly doesn't. He is an inspiration, a mercurial player, a natural goal kicker, a gameturner.
I think it was the first game against the saints.
SJ is a much needed player for this club, I can't see the reasoning behind trying to move him on...unless you want to tank.
I'd rather keep him, 2 goals per game average for 2006 was better than anyone else we had.
Too bad that we'll never get a full season from him thanks to his own stupidity.
We can't afford someone who won't play a full season, won't complete a full pre-season and can barely train each week in the hope we'll get two goals a game from him.
Cash in.
If we trade SJ i will officially not care, because the club certainly doesn't. He is an inspiration, a mercurial player, a natural goal kicker, a gameturner.
Inspiration? Give me a bucket. His selfishness pays dividends on the odd occasion, he's a liability most of the time.
Natural goalkicker? Averaging just over a goal a game.
Gameturner? Name me the last game he turned in our favour.
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 17:36
Fact is that Johnson is mercurial and is one of few players at Geelong who can change a game.
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 17:36
Inspiration? Give me a bucket. His selfishness pays dividends on the odd occasion, he's a liability most of the time.
Natural goalkicker? Averaging just over a goal a game.
Gameturner? Name me the last game he turned in our favour.
Round 21
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 17:38
Love to see everyones passion. Were people this passionate about getting rid of Bomber. Dog is useless. Medhurst is a very good player, I would do that trade in a second.
Oh dear...
Is that why he couldn't get a game at Freo?
Big Nasty
10 Oct 2006, 17:38
Round 21how bloody good was he in that game, Hopefully he has more games like that next year. (by the way it was the melbourne game)..
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 17:40
how bloody good was he in that game, Hopefully he has more games like that next year. (by the way it was the melbourne game)..
Sensational....he also got us started in Round 18 at the Gabba.
Anyone who says he is not a game turner must be in another world. We aren't saying he is ultra consistent as of yet, we aren't saying he is super durable, but by god he is a game breaker.
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 17:40
Inspiration? Give me a bucket. His selfishness pays dividends on the odd occasion, he's a liability most of the time.
Natural goalkicker? Averaging just over a goal a game.
Gameturner? Name me the last game he turned in our favour.
I agree with Catman on this, Johnson gets a free ride because of peoples expectation that he will play one good game in 4...
Big Nasty
10 Oct 2006, 17:48
I want Bradshaw but not at the expense of S.Johnson
My5t3r10u5
10 Oct 2006, 17:50
Natural goalkicker? Averaging just over a goal a game.
Fact: He's averaging over 1.6 goals per game (Gary Ablett is averaging around 1.4 goals per game) - that's a goal kicker in my book?
Snickers
10 Oct 2006, 17:58
U would be so stupid to get rid of stevie johnson he can change a game off his own boot
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 18:01
was doing a fitness test at Essendon today.
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
10 Oct 2006, 18:10
FACT: AVERAGED 2 GOALS PER GAME IN 2006.
FACT: DIDN'T MISS 1 GAME DUE TO ANKLES IN 2006 (Round 1 Emergency, Rounds 5,6 Omitted, Rounds 12-15 Knee, sustained in Round 11).
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 18:29
has also done one at Collingwood.
Inspiration? Give me a bucket. His selfishness pays dividends on the odd occasion, he's a liability most of the time.
Natural goalkicker? Averaging just over a goal a game.
Gameturner? Name me the last game he turned in our favour.
Inspiration, whenever geelong seem down and out he can produce a miracle goal from nothing, and suddenly everybody lifts.
Natural goal kicker, as in, give him a ball and a goal to aim at and he will most likely kick it through *except when he's 20m out directly infront* but most of the time he's in the pocket so it's alright.
Gameturner.....the 2nd game against the bulldogs, they went up by 20 odd points early on then johnson kicked 2 great goals from the boundary line and we were right back in it. Also rd21.
He gives alot more than he stuffs up, but because some people hate him for whatever reason (probably his laziness) they can't see that.
Rosella
10 Oct 2006, 18:32
Hope he fails it. I really don't want this to happen.
The two fitness tests would suggest it's now become a matter of getting what we can. Given the state of his body, the fact that such info has now gone public means we're unlikely to have Dog at a much higher market value than currently.
Renegade
10 Oct 2006, 19:06
Fingers crossed we sent SJ packing. Lazy bastard.
ablettjnr
10 Oct 2006, 19:21
im already crying.
Kinghit
10 Oct 2006, 19:21
Yeah way to lazy look at the game against the roos in Canberra did he lift us then when everybody was flat?
fishman
10 Oct 2006, 19:29
Main board has a threads on him at both Ess and Coll. Aint he a collingwobble supporter?
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
10 Oct 2006, 19:31
Yeah way to lazy look at the game against the roos in Canberra did he lift us then when everybody was flat?
What happened to the captain or the leadership group stepping up to the plate when the side is down?
Haven't seen it once this year.
But they want to get rid of our best goalkicker because he doesn't lift the side every week.
I can't believe this. If he goes, I'll explode.
foxdoog50
10 Oct 2006, 20:08
has also done one at Collingwood.
And were is that source from?
catempire
10 Oct 2006, 20:13
There are two positives out of this:
1. It is public knowledge that his ankles are shot and we will never get a full season out of him, never see him do a full pre-season and never see him take part in every training session. He is effectively a 15-18 game a year player.
2. We now have two interested clubs which helps us extract the best deal we can. Essendon have the upper hand because they'll have the better picks. Collingwood might be his preferred destination because he grew up following them.
The negatives are that he has talent to burn and that is something we can ill-afford to lose. I just think back to that Melbourne game at Skilled late in the season where he turned it on and broke the game apart. He also kicks freak goals which lift the team in times of need. That is the good Dog. The bad Dog is the one that doesn't chase because he's so unfit.
On balance, I can see why we are considering the trade. He's never going to be able to have the preparation required to enable him to dominate at AFL level.
If we could get a pick around the 20 mark for him I think it's probably a risk worth taking.
year of the cat
10 Oct 2006, 20:14
Let us only hope that if SJ is traded that they keep the pick for the draft rather than on-trade it for duds such as Solomon or Medhurst. You would think that Ess would be offering their no.20 pick. Not too sure what Coll would offer that would be of a suitable currency for SJ. A no.20 pick in this upcoming draft would get you a very handy player.
The only way I want Medhurst at the club would be as a direct swap with Kingsley.
year of the cat
10 Oct 2006, 20:18
Always enjoy reading your views Catempire!! I think most informed GFC supporters would agree with what you are saying re. SJ
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 20:18
And were is that source from?
mentioned on SEN, Huddo is pretty good.
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
10 Oct 2006, 20:31
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE GET IT INTO THEIR BRAINS THAT HE DIDN'T MISS A GAME DUE TO HIS ANKLES ALL YEAR?
Sorry but I'm fired up.
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE GET IT INTO THEIR BRAINS THAT HE DIDN'T MISS A GAME DUE TO HIS ANKLES ALL YEAR?
Sorry but I'm fired up.
He may not have re-injured them, but that doesn't mean they're in good shape. One look at him after a game will tell you all you need to know.
catempire
10 Oct 2006, 20:42
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE GET IT INTO THEIR BRAINS THAT HE DIDN'T MISS A GAME DUE TO HIS ANKLES ALL YEAR?
Sorry but I'm fired up.
His ankles are the sole reason why he hasn't done any preseason for many years.
Reg Hickey
10 Oct 2006, 20:53
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE GET IT INTO THEIR BRAINS THAT HE DIDN'T MISS A GAME DUE TO HIS ANKLES ALL YEAR?
Sorry but I'm fired up.
Yeah, because the Cats only ever play players that are fully fit and not at all hampered by injuries such as completely stuffed ankles. Yeah right.
If we trade him for Medhurst I will be absolutely livid. If we trade him for Solomon I will be even more *****ed off.
On the other hand, if we trade him for a top 20 pick (whether we use it or trade it on as part of a Bradshaw deal), I will be happy.
nananana catman
10 Oct 2006, 21:35
Explain.
Just because he kicked four doesn't mean he turned the game around.
Kent turned seasons on their heads of that was the case :D
His ankles are the sole reason why he hasn't done any preseason for many years.
And never will.
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 21:38
Explain.
Four team lifting goals as well as a sensational bump leading to another.
Kent turned seasons on their heads of that was the case :D
Working beautifully nana! :D
beatlesmith
10 Oct 2006, 21:38
just wondering, what would it take for the eagles to get johnson?
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 21:39
Fingers crossed we sent SJ packing. Lazy bastard.
Yes, let's give away a match winner but keep your love child Hunt that goes into meltdown under pressure.
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 21:39
just wondering, what would it take for the eagles to get johnson?
Your first rounder is 16 so I assume that would be floating around.
Your first rounder is 16 so I assume that would be floating around.
Yeah that would probably be about right, but I wouldn't imagine the Eagles would want to do it, especially since they make use that pick for Tarrant.
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 21:43
Yeah that would probably be about right, but I wouldn't imagine the Eagles would want to do it, especially since they make use that pick for Tarrant.
Yep, agreed.
Four team lifting goals as well as a sensational bump leading to another.
It's clear we have differing views on what constitutes game turning.
The game turned in the third when we started getting the ball out of the centre, but if you want to believe that SJ turned the game, as nana said, you must accept that KK did it plenty of times at Geelong, but no one acknowledged his work as game turning, did they?
beatlesmith
10 Oct 2006, 21:44
how about a direct player swap for someone like morton, gaspar, wooden, adkins or mcdougall?
catempire
10 Oct 2006, 21:45
how about a direct player swap for someone like morton, gaspar, wooden, adkins or mcdougall?
No, no, no and no.
beatlesmith
10 Oct 2006, 21:46
what about for all 5 of them? lol
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 21:48
It's clear we have differing views on what constitutes game turning.
The game turned in the third when we started getting the ball out of the centre, but if you want to believe that SJ turned the game, as nana said, you must accept that KK did it plenty of times at Geelong, but no one acknowledged his work as game turning, did they?
Catman, Catman, Catman...
I am one of the only people on this site who acknowledge KK's contribution to Geelong.
Inspiration, whenever geelong seem down and out he can produce a miracle goal from nothing, and suddenly everybody lifts.
Natural goal kicker, as in, give him a ball and a goal to aim at and he will most likely kick it through *except when he's 20m out directly infront* but most of the time he's in the pocket so it's alright.
Gameturner.....the 2nd game against the bulldogs, they went up by 20 odd points early on then johnson kicked 2 great goals from the boundary line and we were right back in it. Also rd21.
But how often does he do this? Not bloody often.
chapmanmagic35
10 Oct 2006, 21:54
But how often does he do this? Not bloody often.
What? The miracle goals?
i am not keen to trade Johnson unless it helps us get bradshaw somehow, this talk of swapping him for Solomon is just crap, why the hell would we wnat Solomon for, hes has bad knee, is getting old and we r ok for defenders i feel, this has Mit White, jas mooney written all over it, another old fart with dodgy knees
also the talk of medhurst is also making me sick, this bloke hasnt played since july and i don't see what he brings to the table for us, these 2 trades just don't cut it for me and i'd be shocked and upset if they were to evebtuate thats 4 sure.
What? The miracle goals?
I should have edited more of the quote, but yes, the miracle goals and these game turning inspirational things he does on the field.
Turbocat
10 Oct 2006, 22:36
As most of know , you get nothing without giving something.
For those of us that hate having to give up a talent like SJ , I sympathise.
BUT , I and many others on this board have pleaded for action after a deplorable year. If we want into this draft its going to cost and SJ is the type of player that has enough credits that he may interest some clubs. We had an almost never ending investigation into our season and one thing that seems to have been learnt is that we were not fit. Brilliant. Dare I say from here on in , there will be no easing the players into the season , treating them more akin to china cutlery than tough , young footballers who play highly active sport. I expect a long , hard pre-season and an unwillingness to accept any efforts or abilities that would prevent these efforts. Steve at , what is he 23 , has yet to be able to put in a full pre-season let alone a hard one. He struggles to come up after hard sessions, especially on hard grounds and as much as anything else his trade will make a statement that should be heard by all about performances on and off the ground have consequences no matter the talent of the player.
Yes it will hurt. Yes he WILL kick goals against us but he who dares wins and trading him is brave and has a degree of dare. If we pick up an early draft pick for him , I’m confident that Welles will pick a good kid to shape into a player that also will be worthy of a place on our list.
how about a direct player swap for someone like morton, gaspar, wooden, adkins or mcdougall?
Might consider mitch morton. 19 yo midfielder struggling to get a game at WCE (what youngsters wouldn't with judd, cousins, kerr, embley, stenglein, fletcher, braun etc). How has he been going in the wafl as might be a good prospect in a year or two if not immediately off a flank or wing?
You were talking direct swap for kingsley weren't ya?? (he is going anyway so better than a kick in the teeth)
http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=mitchell_morton
Trade him off. His off field behaviour is terrible. He pulls one good game out of his ass every 2 months. While i love his ability i think if we were gonna trade him do it now. We will never get 22 games out of him. Let alone 11 good ones.
how about a direct player swap for someone like morton, gaspar, wooden, adkins or mcdougall?
would take morton in a heart beat.... Gun
"An absolute steal for the Eagles. Close to the best foot skills in the draft pool and looks a promising player for the future. Definitely worth a first round selection normally."
beatlesmith
10 Oct 2006, 23:02
[quote=Asty]Might consider mitch morton. 19 yo midfielder struggling to get a game at WCE (what youngsters wouldn't with judd, cousins, kerr, embley, stenglein, fletcher, braun etc). How has he been going in the wafl as might be a good prospect in a year or two if not immediately off a flank or wing?
Mitch moton played for the eagles against adelaide and toweled them up in the last quarter with something like 10 posessions and 2 goals. In the WAFL, he can dominate games easily, which was evident aginst west perth in the semi final but if he wants to make a successful transition, he will have to bulk up alot in the off season.
In fact, a friend of mine played on him in under 15's or 16's and mitch kicked 9 goals playing on the wing!:eek:
No way would we give up Morton. Id rather give up Rosa.
Pick 29 for SJ seems fair enough
beatlesmith
10 Oct 2006, 23:11
but then again, i would rather trade priddis than rosa
No way would we give up Morton. Id rather give up Rosa.
Pick 29 for SJ seems fair enough
SJ is worth more then 29
Ammo Man
10 Oct 2006, 23:20
SJ is worth more then 29
Absolutely rizzo. We'd be crazy to give him up for 29. Better still, don't trade him.
I dont see why jonno is so "untouchable" now, few months ago everyone wanted his head. Now as the time gets closer we wont trade him. Nothings changed. Bugger it lets trade him, for the right price that is
beatlesmith
10 Oct 2006, 23:34
what would you expect from the eagles for him?
S "Thinks He's Daicos" J
10 Oct 2006, 23:46
I am absolutely livid. If we trade him, it'll be our worst loss for the year (and we've had a fair few hammerings). I'm going to mount my case and leave it at that. I'm ropable.
This is a disgrace. We have a team chock-full of medium-sized, slow 'midfielders' who can't kick. It's incredible. It seems like players who dare to break that mould get dropped (think Byrnes, Stokes, Wojcinski).
It has been said that Geelong lacks stars and/or leaders who can stand up when the pressure's on. A related deficiency in our team is the lack of players who can change a game in ten minutes - 'impact players'. These aren't necessarily our best players, and in our case I think we have three. Three on the whole list. Paul Chapman, Gary Ablett Junior and Steve Johnson. It is just coincidence that they are all medium/small forwards. Other clubs have power forwards, or midfielders, or ruckmen, or half-back flankers that can change a game of their own boot. I'd say most teams would have more a few more than three too.
An example of our problem is Joel Corey. Many would say he is in our best few players. He gets in our best two or three every week, yet I never notice him. Never. Every week I get home and think of our best-on and not once did I think of him in 2006. He never breaks a game open, he never runs through the centre, he never has 10+ minutes of brilliance, I can't remember him kicking many goals. He has no speed to speak of. He has no direct impact on games.
The same problem exists with the majority of our midfielders. It's hard to think of any who actually take a risk and have a bounce through the centre. The ones who do (Wocjinski, Stokes, Byrnes) get dropped, apparently for poor disposal, although I don't believe it's any worse than Ling and Co.
Therefore in a side full of oh-so-similar players, it is only Ablett, Chapman and Johnson that ever turn a game, that ever spark a side, that ever ignite a crowd. I can't think of anyone else. Geelong needs to hold onto every such type of player that they can. If we don't, it is just another step towards a uniform list of mediocre, average players.
You can talk about ankles all you like. Fact is, Johnson didn't miss a game due to them in 2006. I don't know whether any of you have inside information from the club, but who's to say that Johnson can't get a decent pre-season into himself? He played the last seven consecutive after coming back from a minor knee injury. He can be managed. And even if he doesn't get any better, even if the form of 2006 is the best we are going to get, he is clearly a must-have on the list. I think (assuming he isn't struck down by other injuries) that he will play at least 20 games next year. Going on his goal rate this year (which was the best at a club which is begging for goalkickers) and extrapolating for next - two goals per game, 40 goals - what more can you ask for? However, my opinion is that he will continue to get even better though, and we can expect a better ouput than that at the same time as he matures and cuts down his mistakes.
Geelong cannot afford to lose him.
cats2rise
10 Oct 2006, 23:52
Top post SJ, agree with all of it.
Although I like Corey.
What an absolute load of crap..... just because he is your favourite player doesn't mean you can't see the benefits of trading this bloke. To me it sounds like you support the Steve Johnson Footy Club NOT the Geelong Football Club.
If we can get anything at or better than a late first rounder or early second rounder for him, then i commend the footy club for going through with it if they do. I won't be burning up my membership or chucking wobblies at home.
Steve Johnson is a game breaker. But it is the amount of games that he is THAT game breaker that is the reason he is up for trade. He just doesn't do it consistently enough. His negatives far outway his positives.
I too remember the game against Melbourne where he turned it on for 10 minutes. But i also remeber the game against the Bulldogs where he let his man run from our goal square to their 50m line and pass to Brad Johnson. that is the part of Johnnos game that is why we are even entertaining a trade. And we will only trade if the right proposal is put up.
Please don't think that Stephen Wells, Mark Thompson and co. would actually think of direct swapping Johnno for Medhurst.... they aren't that stupid. Johnno will only be traded for draft picks. If not he will be here next year.
But i honestly believe they want to set an example to the playing group. He will play games and turn it on for his next club, but we will look back and say the benefits of this trade far outway Johnnos occasional glimpses of brilliance.
To all GFC members, i say...... we were calling for change. Now change is at our doorstep, we are flinching. i want change, i don't want another year like the last..... do what it takes to have us a better team for next season and the enjoyable years to come....... GO CATS!!!!!!!
No way would we give up Morton. Id rather give up Rosa.
Pick 29 for SJ seems fair enough
I wouldn't expect WCE would even be considering him as a trade option (unless he wanted to move for opportunity) It is just a west coast fan threw him in a list with gasper and co asking if we wanted him and I thought he would look good in hoops :thumbsu: