View Full Version : How do we inspire loyalty in our players?
burner1
11 Oct 2006, 15:25
With the circus of trade week going on Ive read a few snippets here and there of trades in previous years where for example a player wanting to return home but will only agree if their club is adequately compensated.
I think this was the case with Josh Carr - wanted to return to Freo but would only leave if freo put a reasonable trade offer on the table for him.
Ie none of these threats to go to the PSD etc as we're seeing with thornton.
While occasionalny we will lose players how do we get them to display this kind of loyalty to the club?
It doesnt seem a too unreasonable ask of players at our club- ie the clubs invested a lot of money and time into players so in return if the player wants to leave they should consider the interests of the club that has taken them so far.
If thornton had told the hawks, I want to play for you but will move only if you put a reasonable trade deal on the table then the onus would be on us rather than the current mess that carltons in.
With our batch of youngsters its going to be a risk that a few are going to be attempted to be poached by other clubs.
So how what is the best way to inspire loyalty in our club - a strong culture, player management etc?
Is PA's approach of dumping Nick Stevens in the PSD one way of reinforcing to the players that the club should come first? Does trying to poach players from other clubs set a bad example for our own?
Unless we came promise them success we won't be able to keep our young stars for a long time sadly.
Frankston Rover
11 Oct 2006, 15:53
Threaten to trade them.
Beat them.
or tell them we'll trade them to Richmond.
Seriously, though, I think as long as the club looks after the player in question they will feel some sort of loyalty to the club.
If we tried to shaft them then I suppose we would only have ourselves to blame.
When Thommo left, he made sure we got a reasonable trade.
Frankston Rover
11 Oct 2006, 15:55
Unless we came promise them success we won't be able to keep our young stars for a long time sadly.
I don't buy that as an excuse.
Trevor Barker played his entire career at St.Kilda with no success and on way less money he could have got elsewhere.
It depends on the individual.
If a player wants to become a mercenary and chase the cash, then good luck to him. Spida is doing that and how much success has he had?
Fabulous
11 Oct 2006, 16:18
Unless we came promise them success we won't be able to keep our young stars for a long time sadly.
Agree 100%. Finals, in particular Grand Final, appearances breeds loyalty and optimism.
Gary Shadforth
11 Oct 2006, 17:08
An ABC sportscaster over here in the West was discussing the other day the subject of player loyalty and how WC’s football department had made it a top priority issue and how they used the Brisbane side of 2002-5 as a template.
Brizzie succeeded in the process after its 2002 premiership by asking the question of each of its then young successful list, as some of the young champions market value went sky high and there were cap problems looming, 'Would you like more premierships or money?'
The players would have weighed it up. Membership of premiership team means added value to one's market value down the track anyway.
Interestingly, great players of Brisbane's premiership sides have stayed even through poorer performing times, e.g: Simon Black, Michael Voss, Luke Power, Daniel Bradshaw and Mal Michael to name some.
Mind you, final four/grand finals/premierships are strong influential factors, but don't rule out camaraderie and club loyalty as an important aspect of why players will stick with a club. Hawthorn have been pretty good at it over the ages.
2 ways:
1. To expect loyalty you need to show it to players first (some posters on BF need to understand this)
2. Put a statue of Peter Crimmins at the entrance of Waverly Park so every player sees it every time they go to the club.
noosa hawk mad
11 Oct 2006, 18:30
Threaten to trade them.
Beat them.
or tell them we'll trade them to Richmond.
Seriously, though, I think as long as the club looks after the player in question they will feel some sort of loyalty to the club.
If we tried to shaft them then I suppose we would only have ourselves to blame.
When Thommo left, he made sure we got a reasonable trade.Well said Frankston Rover:thumbsu: I supose with our list of younger players you would think mateship and playing together would inspire loyalty towards each other and loyalty to our club:thumbsu: IMO
The Kipster
11 Oct 2006, 19:29
2 ways:
1. To expect loyalty you need to show it to players first (some posters on BF need to understand this)
2. Put a statue of Peter Crimmins at the entrance of Waverly Park so every player sees it every time they go to the club.
Brilliant....a Crimmo life size statue...:thumbsu:
I think the players themselves have a fair bit to do with it, personality etc....once in while a group will click and nobody wants to go anywhere...Saints have had a solid arrngement in recent seasons and I can't see that changing in a hurry, so I sincerely hope the way our club has conducted itself over the last 2 yrs will hold this group together for a long time...
Roughie
11 Oct 2006, 20:17
They either decide to be loyal, or we lock them up in the basement and get Browny to beat them repeatedly until they scream "I LOVE HAWTHORN!"
Mitchell Madness
11 Oct 2006, 20:22
you will find we have very loyal players, many of ours have even come out and said they will not leave for as long as the club wants them. SPida is one who doesn't want to be here, but he does not enjoy his football anymore, and is just after money
delirious1
11 Oct 2006, 20:28
we havent had much problems with players wanting to get out, i think we have a fairly good culture at the hawks
Roughie
11 Oct 2006, 20:29
we havent had much problems with players wanting to get out, i think we have a fairly good culture at the hawks
Your pretty much right and now with Bateman, Willow and Bailey being W.A boys I think it makes it a bit easier for the boys when they have other guys who went through the same sort of home sickness. BRING ON SOME MORE W.A Boys!
delirious1
11 Oct 2006, 20:35
Your pretty much right and now with Bateman, Willow and Bailey being W.A boys I think it makes it a bit easier for the boys when they have other guys who went through the same sort of home sickness. BRING ON SOME MORE W.A Boys!
well bateman wanted to leave when his sister died, but west coast or fremantle didnt want him, but i understand why he would want to be closer to family after stuff like that happens, same with chick
Roughie
11 Oct 2006, 20:36
well bateman wanted to leave when his sister died, but west coast or fremantle didnt want him, but i understand why he would want to be closer to family after stuff like that happens, same with chick
Yeah fair enough in that circumstance. I think Bateman will be a hawk for life, his playing his best football and I expect him to reeally dominate next season.
delirious1
11 Oct 2006, 20:42
Yeah fair enough in that circumstance. I think Bateman will be a hawk for life, his playing his best football and I expect him to reeally dominate next season.
yeah, hes settled down and playing fine football, i dont see him leaving unless the hawks show him the door