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sput1956
12 Oct 2006, 08:56
With the Hawks upping the ante on Spider, St Kildas name popping up as a player and Carlton standing firm on redrafting Thornton, does anyone think that Sydney may start to look westwards?
AlibiMonday
12 Oct 2006, 09:03
With the Hawks upping the ante on Spider, St Kildas name popping up as a player and Carlton standing firm on redrafting Thornton, does anyone think that Sydney may start to look westwards?
Far better option that what Hawthorn are throwing up.
Everitt = a 2 year punt worth pick 40
Gardiner = a 6 year punt worth pick 50
Sydney fans a f*cked off with Hawthorn's dealings now - rather watch them get nothing.
With the Hawks upping the ante on Spider, St Kildas name popping up as a player and Carlton standing firm on redrafting Thornton, does anyone think that Sydney may start to look westwards?
In all honesty, given that we've been without a recognised FB since Dunks retired I wouldn't have minde us talking to\having a go at picking up Thornton.
Would also have the added benefit of stuffing the Hawks around to boot.
With the Hawks upping the ante on Spider, St Kildas name popping up as a player and Carlton standing firm on redrafting Thornton, does anyone think that Sydney may start to look westwards?
If I was Sydney i'd certainly be exploring other avenues, heard an interview with Greg Miller and he said Gardiners name hadn't been mentioned at all around the trading table, he also indicated that Gardiners days as a Ruckman were pretty much over and that he was viewed as a power forward, and as he's not that good at that his value has further plummeted, although he did ruck a few games for WC late this year. Who are the Ruckmen available?
Everitt
Gardiner?
Keating - The GF specialist, Sydney should draft him, keep his fitness up, and only play him if they make the GF.:cool:
sput1956
12 Oct 2006, 09:10
Far better option that what Hawthorn are throwing up.
Everitt = a 2 year punt worth pick 40
Gardiner = a 6 year punt worth pick 50
Sydney fans a f*cked off with Hawthorn's dealings now - rather watch them get nothing.
I agree. Sydney would be better served drafting a good young ruckman at pick 15 or 33 and trading Gardiner with pick 49 or picking him up in the PSD. This shores up the present and the future.
Sydney could do worse than quickly organise a very public medical for Gardiner.;)
sydney eagle
12 Oct 2006, 09:16
Given his off field misdemeanors I doubt that Gardiner would fit under Sydney's much publicised "no D***heads" policy !
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Hawthorn have said from the start they wouldn't accept the Swans 2nd round for Everitt.
G'Day Syd! You're looking well!!!
sput1956
12 Oct 2006, 09:22
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Hawthorn have said from the start they wouldn't accept the Swans 2nd round for Everitt.
The problem for the Hawks is that Sydneys recruiting manager has "absolutely garaunteed" that they will not be putting their first round draft pick on the table. This has become a mexican standoff, so the Swans may very well start looking eleswhere for cheap insurance and then wait and see if they can snag Everitt for free in the PSD. If not, they have their insurance.
malpaso
12 Oct 2006, 09:22
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Hawthorn have said from the start they wouldn't accept the Swans 2nd round for Everitt.
G'Day Syd! You're looking well!!!
Then they'll get nothing and like it!
The problem for the Hawks is that Sydneys recruiting manager has "absolutely garaunteed" that they will not be putting their first round draft pick on the table. This has become a mexican standoff, so the Swans may very well start looking eleswhere for cheap insurance and then wait and see if they can snag Everitt for free in the PSD. If not, they have their insurance.
Hawthorn aren't necessarily looking for a first rounder.
Honestly - if Spider goes into the draft (and I couldn't care less if he does), there's every chance that someone else will pick him up. Now for a club to offer him $400k for 2 years, it's one big risk to take.
Ross Lyon's comments yesterday has definitely altered the landscape here.
Sharkey
12 Oct 2006, 09:41
As previously stated Sydney have a "no D****heads" policy so that would surely rule Gardiner out.
Hawthorn have said from the start they wouldn't accept the Swans 2nd round for Everitt.
G'Day Syd! You're looking well!!!
Pre Trade week bluster Ramma, nothing more & nothing less. I'd hardly expect them to talk down the value they were looking for. While I can understand them wanting to maximise their return, anyone thinking that a 32 year old, coming off from an injury affected\shortened season is worth more than a 2nd rounder is having themselves on.
The higher price tag is purely a scare tactic to keep the cash short and salary capped strapped clubs away should the PSD become the only avenue available.
As for Spider going back to the Aints, I can't see that working given the nature of his previous term & departure but who knows. Not quite sure how $400K a year would fit into their cap given the list they already have.
And cheers Ramma, you been well?
As previously stated Sydney have a "no D****heads" policy so that would surely rule Gardiner out.
Then how would you explain our interest in Spider??? :D
Pre Trade week bluster Ramma, nothing more & nothing less. I'd hardly expect them to talk down the value they were looking for. While I can understand them wanting to maximise their return, anyone thinking that a 32 year old, coming off from an injury affected\shortened season is worth more than a 2nd rounder is having themselves on.
The higher price tag is purely a scare tactic to keep the cash short and salary capped strapped clubs away should the PSD become the only avenue available.
As for Spider going back to the Aints, I can't see that working given the nature of his previous term & departure but who knows. Not quite sure how $400K a year would fit into their cap given the list they already have.
And cheers Ramma, you been well?
He'd be eligible for their Vet's List, given his previous 10 years at the club, Syd - confirmed by the AFL - that's the rub.
I don't disagree with your principle, but the fact remains the Swans want him, and are prepared to pay that to Spider - but not the equivilent, it would seem, to Hawthorn.
But as you say, it IS all smoke & mirrors.
All's good here - back down again soon?
sput1956
12 Oct 2006, 09:52
Hawthorn aren't necessarily looking for a first rounder.
Honestly - if Spider goes into the draft (and I couldn't care less if he does), there's every chance that someone else will pick him up.
I agree, some other club could pick him up in the PSD. If Sydney start looking elsewhere do you think the saints will trade anything for Everitt? They are the only other club interested in him and they have a PSD pick ahead of Sydney and if Sydney go out and trade another ruckman for a low draft pick then all StKilda have to do is sit back and snap Everitt up for free.
Now for a club to offer him $400k for 2 years, it's one big risk to take.
Ross Lyon's comments yesterday has definitely altered the landscape here.
Yes, but not necessarily in Hawthorns favor. If Sydney start fishing for another ruckman, the hawks could very well end up with nothing.
He'd be eligible for their Vet's List, given his previous 10 years at the club, Syd - confirmed by the AFL - that's the rub.
I don't disagree with your principle, but the fact remains the Swans want him, and are prepared to pay that to Spider - but not the equivilent, it would seem, to Hawthorn.
But as you say, it IS all smoke & mirrors.
All's good here - back down again soon?
Not sure that he should be eligible for the vet's list AFTER having left the club, but if thems the rules, thems the rules.
And I think there's a difference between paying over the top in terms of $$$ as compared to paying over the top in terms of draft picks at the expense of the future.
I think at the moment, Roos and the Swans are prepared to let him go to the PSD and take their chances there. But I also think Pelchin will buckle somewhere between 12 and 1pm Friday and settle for that 2nd rounder after all.
Not quite sure when I'll be back down at this stage, but hopefully we'll make a run in November for a weekend away and a round (or 12) of drinks.
Sharkey
12 Oct 2006, 09:54
Then how would you explain our interest in Spider??? :D
Beats me, ask Roos.
I agree, some other club could pick him up in the PSD. If Sydney start looking elsewhere do you think the saints will trade anything for Everitt? They are the only other club interested in him and they have a PSD pick ahead of Sydney and if Sydney go out and trade another ruckman for a low draft pick then all StKilda have to do is sit back and snap Everitt up for free.
Yes, but not necessarily in Hawthorns favor. If Sydney start fishing for another ruckman, the hawks could very well end up with nothing.
The answer to both of your statements is: Sheedy.
Not sure that he should be eligible for the vet's list AFTER having left the club, but if thems the rules, thems the rules.
And I think there's a difference between paying over the top in terms of $$$ as compared to paying over the top in terms of draft picks at the expense of the future.
I think at the moment, Roos and the Swans are prepared to let him go to the PSD and take their chances there. But I also think Pelchin will buckle somewhere between 12 and 1pm Friday and settle for that 2nd rounder after all.
Not quite sure when I'll be back down at this stage, but hopefully we'll make a run in November for a weekend away and a round (or 12) of drinks.
'Buckle'? Not quite. The 2nd rounder was off limits too at first.
Hey - I'd take pick 33, but as I said, Lyon's comments yesterday has opened a new door. We may well accept pick 33 at 1.30pm tomorrow, but only because we've completely explored EVERY option. Pelchen wouldn't be doing his job if that didn't happen.
Let us know & I'll book it in, Syd!!
The Cryptkeeper
12 Oct 2006, 10:05
Given his off field misdemeanors I doubt that Gardiner would fit under Sydney's much publicised "no D***heads" policy !
Why not? Barry Hall and Nick Davis slipped through.
sput1956
12 Oct 2006, 10:05
The answer to both of your statements is: Sheedy.
:confused:Now that truly is puzzling. I see no reason to give that scenario any credibility.
:confused:Now that truly is puzzling. I see no reason to give that scenario any credibility.
Very proud man is Sheedy (& rightfully so), and in most probably his last season as coach. You don't think for one moment that he wouldn't be trying to make his last year as successful as possible? And he loves taking the disgruntled/discarded player and turning them around.
There is no way I would write off Essendon as a chance to pick up Spider in the PSD.
Very proud man is Sheedy (& rightfully so), and in most probably his last season as coach. You don't think for one moment that he wouldn't be trying to make his last year as successful as possible? And he loves taking the disgruntled/discarded player and turning them around.
There is no way I would write off Essendon as a chance to pick up Spider in the PSD.
I think that either of the Carlton pair or Polak if he travels the PSD path would be of more interest to Sheeds\Essendon.
I think that either of the Carlton pair or Polak if he travels the PSD path would be of more interest to Sheeds\Essendon.
Maybe - or maybe not.
But it's still a bigger risk for Sydney to take than Roos is publically making out.
Maybe - or maybe not.
But it's still a bigger risk for Sydney to take than Roos is publically making out.
2 points off winning successive Grand Finals on the back of Jolly having his worst day in 2 years, BBBBH having an absolute shocker, Jude Bolton missing a couple of sitters and being well down at 1/2 time.
There were many reasons why we lost on the day, Spider while he may be handy isn't the magic wand some make him out to be.
Exactly how big is that risk again?
2 points off winning successive Grand Finals on the back of Jolly having his worst day in 2 years, BBBBH having an absolute shocker, Jude Bolton missing a couple of sitters and being well down at 1/2 time.
There were many reasons why we lost on the day, Spider while he may be handy isn't the magic wand some make him out to be.
Exactly how big is that risk again?
I totally agree with you.
But your club is the one chasing him.
All I'm saying is that it would be a big risk to assume you can pick him up in the PSD (and fwiw, the same with Hawthorn & Thornton).
grayham
12 Oct 2006, 11:13
Beats me, ask Roos.
Sydney first and foremost is a mates-club. Assistant coaches are targetted from a pool of Roosy's ex-Fitzroy mates. And the no d1ckheads policy doesnt apply if you are one of the leadership group mates (ie Hall allows Everitt)
Complicated.
sharpie
12 Oct 2006, 11:14
Far better option that what Hawthorn are throwing up.
Everitt = a 2 year punt worth pick 40
Gardiner = a 6 year punt worth pick 50
Sydney fans a f*cked off with Hawthorn's dealings now - rather watch them get nothing.
not only that = but he'd be on base pay + match payments
grayham
12 Oct 2006, 11:20
Far better option that what Hawthorn are throwing up.
Everitt = a 2 year punt worth pick 40
Gardiner = a 6 year punt worth pick 50
Sydney fans a f*cked off with Hawthorn's dealings now - rather watch them get nothing.
If the deal is between Gardiner as a 3rd round pick, or Everitt as a 2nd round pick, I'd go Gardiner. May not be as classy as Everitt, but a ruck division of Jolly, Doyle and Gardiner (with only 2 playing any game) would be a step up from what we have now....which nearly won us back to back flags.
Depends on Gardiners medical report I guess.
sharpie
12 Oct 2006, 11:24
If the deal is between Gardiner as a 3rd round pick, or Everitt as a 2nd round pick, I'd go Gardiner. May not be as classy as Everitt, but a ruck division of Jolly, Doyle and Gardiner (with only 2 playing any game) would be a step up from what we have now....which nearly won us back to back flags.
Depends on Gardiners medical report I guess.
i think you'll find he'd probably go as a 4th rounder
maybe a 4th rounder and a swap of 3rd rounders (1 position only)
I know gardy is a knob - but he won't cost a side anything in terms of draft picks or salary cap. I actually think he is a risk free investment for a club. If worst comes to worst and he still acts like a knob - just kick him out of the club and you've lost $50k from your salary cap.
However he does have the ability to ruck still, even though people on h east think he can't. will be interesting.
can just imagine Barry Hall after a game having michael pinned against the wall saying "listen here you pr1ck, one more antic like that and I don't care who you have as friends, i'll nail your sorry arse to the wall"
sput1956
12 Oct 2006, 11:31
Very proud man is Sheedy (& rightfully so), and in most probably his last season as coach. You don't think for one moment that he wouldn't be trying to make his last year as successful as possible? And he loves taking the disgruntled/discarded player and turning them around.
There is no way I would write off Essendon as a chance to pick up Spider in the PSD.
Oh, I see, Essendon will use the coveted PSD 3 to placate "Sheedys pride". Now you put it that way I am certain they will take Everitt.:rolleyes:
Don't you think "Sheedys Pride" would be more satisfied with Thornton?:o
You can't apply that logic both ways.
Oh, I see, Essendon will use the coveted PSD 3 to placate "Sheedys pride". Now you put it that way I am certain they will take Everitt.:rolleyes:
You asked for a reason - I gave you one.
I didn't say they definitely would, but you'd have to be very naive to say they definitely wouldn't.
(Gerez - too quick for you!!)
Re your little addition - where have I said the same doesn't apply for Thornton, and hence Hawthorn?? I haven't - on another thread (I think), I've said exactly the same thing for Hawthorn.
Your trolling isn't really up to scratch, is it? :)
sput1956
12 Oct 2006, 11:37
You asked for a reason - I gave you one.
I didn't say they definitely would, but you'd have to be very naive to say they definitely wouldn't.
Call me naive then.:thumbsu:
Don't you think "Sheedys Pride" would be more satisfied with Thornton?:o
You can't apply that logic both ways.