View Full Version : Pelchen on SEN AGAIN!
philhawk
12 Oct 2006, 19:23
Love this bloke, but here goes ... ;)
Chance Situation:
Chance Bateman – “I can categorically say that his name has not been brought up.”
Bret Thornton situation:
“I’ve left one message for Carlton, but they said that they didn’t want to talk about him.”
“Bret’s manager has contacted Carlton 4 times and nothing has happened.”
“At the end of the day, we’re quietly confident that he will be available at Pick 6 in the PSD.”
Question about a 1 year front-loaded contract – “It would be tampering with the club if it was set by the Hawthorn Football Club, so we aren’t going to set that.” ;)
Question: "If Thornton went into the draft and said he wants 500K in his first year – could they do it?”
“CP: No comment.”
Spida Situation:
“We’ve had contact with Ricky Nixon and there has been no movement there”
“What should be highlighted is that we don’t look at this player in isolation, this decision to not trade Spida will be important down the track.”
“We are going to set a precedent here that the Hawthorn Football Club. We’re doing the best for the Hawthorn Football Club.”
“Carlton may be doing the same with Bret Thornton and that is their prerogative.”
“We haven’t indicated an offer as Carlton has opted not to listen.”
“There hasn’t been much movement at all in the past 24 hours. There has been a lot of discussion between Carlton and Port Adelaide about Jordan Russel.”
Very interesting, i'll highlight some of the key points a little later. :thumbsu:
Roughie
12 Oct 2006, 19:28
“What should be highlighted is that we don’t look at this player in isolation, this decision to not trade Spida will be important down the track.”
“We are going to set a precedent here that the Hawthorn Football Club. We’re doing the best for the Hawthorn Football Club.”
^That is suprising because the club said they will try trade Spida to the club he wants to go too. Guess were saying stuff spida, lets get the best out of this, which is a good move.
Question: "If Thornton went into the draft and said he wants 500K in his first year – could they do it?”
“CP: No comment.”
^That worries me, he didnt really deny that we couldnt afford this. Like I know with the front loaded contract we would only be spending that ammount on him for 1 season but still, he isnt worth that ammount. And would it also rub players the wrong way? I would rather see Franklin or Lewis get paid that ammount then Thornton.
philhawk
12 Oct 2006, 19:30
I thought this comment was very interesting.
“At the end of the day, we’re quietly confident that he will be available at Pick 6 in the PSD.”
Roughie
12 Oct 2006, 19:35
I would like to get him at PSD, but I would rather us complete a trade. This will allows us to drop his contract figures down, but if he goes to the PSD we may have to pay a ridiculous ammount just to keep Carlton and any other club off him!
philhawk
12 Oct 2006, 19:38
For some reason, I feel alot more confident going into tommorow.
He's got a couple more aces left up his sleeve. :thumbsu:
Hawk0373
12 Oct 2006, 19:40
“What should be highlighted is that we don’t look at this player in isolation, this decision to not trade Spida will be important down the track.”
“We are going to set a precedent here that the Hawthorn Football Club. We’re doing the best for the Hawthorn Football Club.”
^That is suprising because the club said they will try trade Spida to the club he wants to go too. Guess were saying stuff spida, lets get the best out of this, which is a good move.
Question: "If Thornton went into the draft and said he wants 500K in his first year – could they do it?”
“CP: No comment.”
^That worries me, he didnt really deny that we couldnt afford this. Like I know with the front loaded contract we would only be spending that ammount on him for 1 season but still, he isnt worth that ammount. And would it also rub players the wrong way? I would rather see Franklin or Lewis get paid that ammount then Thornton.
He said it's up to Thornton's manager to set that price, Hawthorn wouldn't offer it. A one year deal for $500k followed by a 2 year deal for $500k equates to $1mill over 3 years. I dont think it would annoy the players if they understood why it was done. There's plenty of well documented back ended contracts that have gone pear shaped over the years..
Hawk0373
12 Oct 2006, 19:44
also very smart of Pelchen to use SEN to deliver his reasoning and policy. Sydney will now know they have to meet us to guarantee getting Spida - there's no way we will back down.
Tomorrow will be very interesting.
Roughie
12 Oct 2006, 19:48
also very smart of Pelchen to use SEN to deliver his reasoning and policy. Sydney will now know they have to meet us to guarantee getting Spida - there's no way we will back down.
Tomorrow will be very interesting.
Personally I think Sydney are in the drivers seat. Its not guaranteed there is another club wanting Spida, and Sydney have the cap room to get him in the PSD. We played hard ball enough, and Sydney offered what we said we would take.... a 2nd round draft pick.
We will turn out getting Spida for their 2nd round pick, we wont get any more out of it.
philhawk
12 Oct 2006, 19:49
We will turn out getting Spida for their 2nd round pick, we wont get any more out of it.
There is 0 chance of that happening, Roughie.
Pelchen has said what he wants and will not back down - come what may.
The Kipster
12 Oct 2006, 19:53
Like the guy and I have noticed other posters bagging the sh*t out of him - calling him arrogant etc etc....:thumbsu:
On ya Pelchs get into em son.....
Roughie
12 Oct 2006, 19:54
There is 0 chance of that happening, Roughie.
Pelchen has said what he wants and will not back down - come what may.
I bloody hope not.....Theres a difference between playing hard ball, and being stubborn. Just take the pick :rolleyes:
philhawk
12 Oct 2006, 19:56
I bloody hope not.....Theres a difference between playing hard ball, and being stubborn. Just take the pick :rolleyes:
I disagree.
On one hand we could meekly take Pick 33 (with the very likely chance that the pick could end out to be a dud), and set the example to the team list that we can get bent over on the trading table.
On the other, we could send Spida into the PSD and set a very strict example for future years ...
Fabulous
12 Oct 2006, 19:59
Pelchen might find he is moved sideways next year like he was at Port for the same strategy if it back fires.
Roughie
12 Oct 2006, 20:13
I disagree.
On one hand we could meekly take Pick 33 (with the very likely chance that the pick could end out to be a dud), and set the example to the team list that we can get bent over on the trading table.
On the other, we could send Spida into the PSD and set a very strict example for future years ...
But the thing was Pelchen said he would take a 2nd round pick. I know there is setting an example, but why didnt Pelchen tell Sydney they will sit on the deal and wait for other offers instead of turning the deal down? We already had Sydney bite once and change their offer to a 2nd rounder, I think we should take it. I dont think the out come of this trade will affect our team list in anyway, do players even care that much for trade week if they are not the ones being traded?
Buddy Hero
12 Oct 2006, 20:23
A front loaded contract would be perfect now while we have the extra salary cap space, and in the 2 years after that we will probably be needing the extra room a front loaded contract would supply, to help sign up some of our youngsters... win win situation and lose lose for carlton :thumbsu:
TheGeneral
12 Oct 2006, 20:26
I disagree.
On one hand we could meekly take Pick 33 (with the very likely chance that the pick could end out to be a dud), and set the example to the team list that we can get bent over on the trading table.
On the other, we could send Spida into the PSD and set a very strict example for future years ...
He's a 32 year old and if he does his knee he is finished.
So how are you getting bent over when you're getting offered pick 33 for him? :confused:
The fact he can win them a flag shoudn't be part of the discussion.
They're justified to offer you that pick in this draft and wary given they got burned badly last year with trading for Chambers who allegedly didn't have the heart to play on.
The Lions got pick 34 for the 30 year old Akermanis who has more years left in him given the type of player he is, see Bartlett, Bradley, Tuck, Flower, etc. I bet that pick is good enough to be ontraded for Thornton with 24 or on it's own if that situation eventuates.
Bennycoff
12 Oct 2006, 20:26
We must trade Everitt and must secure Thornton tomorrow otherwise it's been a waste of fken time again.
philhawk
12 Oct 2006, 20:31
He's a 32 year old and if he does his knee he is finished.
So how are you getting bent over when you're getting offered pick 33 for him? :confused:
Tell me then, how many Pick 33's do you know that are paid 400K a year?
TheGeneral
12 Oct 2006, 20:36
I want to trade as well.
The PSD should be scrapped unless they make it for players who have played more 150 games of AFL and/or are older than 25 years of age.
How can a kid be allowed to walk into the PSD after 11 games and a club's developed him?
There's no loyalty on either side.
philhawk
12 Oct 2006, 20:38
I want to trade as well.
The PSD should be scrapped unless they make it for players who have played more 150 games of AFL and/or are older than 25 years of age.
How can a kid be allowed to walk into the PSD after 11 games and a club's developed him?
There's no loyalty on either side.
Agreed, the PSD is a joke.
TheGeneral
12 Oct 2006, 20:39
Tell me then, how many Pick 33's do you know that are paid 400K a year?
Relevence? :confused:
Should Thornton be traded for pick 40 then since he's asked for 325K? :eek:
Or pick 6 since he's reportedly threatening to ask for 600K for one year. :D
He's uncontracted and paid his dues at Hawthorn unlike Thornton and Russell who was picked up after by Carlton after they were overlooked by 6-16 clubs.
philhawk
12 Oct 2006, 20:40
Relevence? :confused:
Should Thornton be traded for pick 40 then? :eek:
He's uncontracted and paid his dues at Hawthorn unlike Thornton and Russell who was picked up after by Carlton after they were overlooked by 6-16 clubs.
Trading is meant to be relative to what a player is worth. Obviously the Swans think highly enough of Spida to offer him 400K if he joins the club.
That said, they're not willing to trade a decent draft pick for him?
Fabulous
12 Oct 2006, 20:43
Tell me then, how many Pick 33's do you know that are paid 400K a year?
There are many ways of looking at it but I'm tipping pick 33 in this years draft will earn more than Spider in his next contract over his lifespan in football. If you get what I'm at. In the draft there is one value, trading there is another.
lethalselbow
12 Oct 2006, 20:46
Absolutely, Fabulous, you've no idea.
Pelchen starred at Port. Has been a guru so far at Hawthorn.
philhawk
12 Oct 2006, 20:48
Can I just say, Nathan Thompson is on SEN commenting about the Thornton situation. Let me quote,
"It's always bad when players put their hand up to leave the club. Club supporters should really begin to worry when that happens"
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:thumbsd:
medusala
12 Oct 2006, 20:53
How can a kid be allowed to walk into the PSD after 11 games and a club's developed him?
The kid would argue with some justification that how is it right that he can be forced to move interstate against his wishes to an employer not of his choosing?
The Hawks have lost a heap of players over the years to go back to SA/WA including some pretty handy players like Chick, Jarman, Allan, McPharlin etc We had a similar situation with Robran who walked out on the club despite being contracted.
Fabulous
12 Oct 2006, 20:56
Absolutely, Fabulous, you've no idea.
Pelchen starred at Port. Has been a guru so far at Hawthorn.
Then why did Port move Pelchen out of the main job at Port during and after 2003?
Guru? He has been involved in one draft/trade period at Hawthorn and is involved in his second. Guru?
noosa hawk mad
12 Oct 2006, 21:04
For some reason, I feel alot more confident going into tommorow.
He's got a couple more aces left up his sleeve. :thumbsu:Pelchen is a lengend i have complete faith in him :) Sick of waiting for the Blues how do you keep someone at your club who wants to leave Thorton and Rusell and they will get swat :D Looking forward to 2 oclock tomorow :)
lethalselbow
12 Oct 2006, 21:50
Then why did Port move Pelchen out of the main job at Port during and after 2003?
Guru? He has been involved in one draft/trade period at Hawthorn and is involved in his second. Guru?
Info on Pelchen. Read this article.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2004/12/21/1103391768940.html?from=storyrhs
Pelchen was moved out of Port for cash reasons. He was immediately picked up by Hawthorn. Pelchen is one of the main reasons for putting together the Port Premiership of 2004. He was axed to save a buck.
What do you think now, Fabulous. He helped build a club from nothing to a flag. Me thinks he might be doing it again. (Fingers crossed :D)
Interesting...Pelchen was our recruiting manager, before leaving for Port in 1996.
medusala
12 Oct 2006, 22:11
Pelchen is one of the main reasons for putting together the Port Premiership of 2004. He was axed to save a buck.
Call me cynical but if he was so integral to their success they would have sacked a no of others before him.
Cant quite see the need for deification at the current time.
Interesting...Pelchen was our recruiting manager, before leaving for Port in 1996.
Very interesting...
Malibu#27
12 Oct 2006, 22:49
Then why did Port move Pelchen out of the main job at Port during and after 2003?
Guru? He has been involved in one draft/trade period at Hawthorn and is involved in his second. Guru?
Pelchen was a small time player at port ... basically a victorian recruiting scout.... was involved in the stevens situation but wasnt the driving force
This period between the Grand Final and the National Draft is interesting. I think alot of people are sufferring from withdrawal symptons and are letting out their frustation with some of the comments about trade week.
As members of the club, all we can do is speculate about why Hawthorn is approaching the trade week period the way they have. Remember also Pelchen does not work alone, and the decisions made are not his alone.
Mabye Hawthorn have an informal arrangement with one of the clubs with pick 2 to 5 in the PSD? Could Spida be part of that arrangement where one of the clubs (say Essendon or Kangaroos) to ensure that Thornton won't be taken until pick 6 (assuming Carlton don't re-draft him which I can't believe they would do).
Could this be the case?
Trading is meant to be relative to what a player is worth. Obviously the Swans think highly enough of Spida to offer him 400K if he joins the club.
That said, they're not willing to trade a decent draft pick for him?
It is called time. Sydney can, at best, expect two years of football out of Everitt. Not 10 years, not even 5 years. And given he was injured for much of this year, there is a decent chance they will get no quality football out of him (see Brereton, Tingay etc).
Value is a function of both quality and quantity, and it is not even absolute but has significant predictive inputs too.
Lord_Espos
12 Oct 2006, 23:21
Great article about Pelchen!!
They give him quite a bit of credit for the good players at Port....
interesting....
Fabulous
12 Oct 2006, 23:34
Pelchen was a small time player at port ... basically a victorian recruiting scout.... was involved in the stevens situation but wasnt the driving force
I know. Trying to tell my fellow members is a liittle difficult though. Time will tell. He was also sacked from Hawthorn and was not in charge of recruiting at that time either.
It is called time. Sydney can, at best, expect two years of football out of Everitt. Not 10 years, not even 5 years. And given he was injured for much of this year, there is a decent chance they will get no quality football out of him (see Brereton, Tingay etc).
Value is a function of both quality and quantity, and it is not even absolute but has significant predictive inputs too.
Wrong.
They can expect 2-3 year from spida.
And in that time they can play another GF & have a much greater chance of winning.
What is that worth?
mulhollanddrive
12 Oct 2006, 23:39
Hmm very interesting so far. I think the BF theories on our trading havent quite been on the mark if Pelchen is to be believed.
Anyway, I think both Thornton and Everitt are about 70% each, as a chance to go into the PSD, hopefully at least we can deal on one of them.
Wrong.
They can expect 2-3 year from spida.
And in that time they can play another GF & have a much greater chance of winning.
What is that worth?
I thought the Hawks were monties for the GF come 2009? If that's the case, why don't Hawthorn just offer Spider a 3 year deal to secure themselves the premiership in that year.
Sydney may or may not make another GF in the next couple of years. They may or may not win another premiership, with or without Spider. Spider is neither necessary nor sufficient to this happening.
Buying the team a giant box of condoms, for use in December and January, could be just as critical as getting Everitt. Improvement from Malceski, McVeigh, Grundy et al is likely to the really key factor.
Hawk0373
12 Oct 2006, 23:50
I thought the Hawks were monties for the GF come 2009? If that's the case, why don't Hawthorn just offer Spider a 3 year deal to secure themselves the premiership in that year.
Sydney may or may not make another GF in the next couple of years. They may or may not win another premiership, with or without Spider. Spider is neither necessary nor sufficient to this happening.
Buying the team a giant box of condoms, for use in December and January, could be just as critical as getting Everitt. Improvement from Malceski, McVeigh, Grundy et al is likely to the really key factor.
pick 33 would suggest otherwise
we offered spida a 1 year deal with a review during 2007 for another 1 year extension. He just needed to prove he could play on and we'd have given it to him.
Same goes for Crawf and he agreed.
Have a look at Voss and what he will cost Brisbane next year.
Clubs have to be smarter with their older players.
Pessimistic
12 Oct 2006, 23:51
Pelchens stance was the club want to 'send a message" the they won't be bent over re: spider - they asked him about the thornton situation and he said he respected carlton for taking a similar stance.
That all sounds OK but if spider is on one year deals does this not mean he could test the water every year ? What relevence is that to our younger players ?
Unfortunately all this high profile dealng and egos means the trade week is filed with not much and the real value comes from trading fringe players to fill needs.
eg hawks wanted to get a young defender last year but couldn't because the hay thing dragged out.
NimChief
12 Oct 2006, 23:54
Can I just say, Nathan Thompson is on SEN commenting about the Thornton situation. Let me quote,
"It's always bad when players put their hand up to leave the club. Club supporters should really begin to worry when that happens"
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:thumbsd:
I'm sorry.
What are you suggesting about Thommo?
Move on.
TheGeneral
13 Oct 2006, 00:30
The kid would argue with some justification that how is it right that he can be forced to move interstate against his wishes to an employer not of his choosing?
Because that's the system we have in place and the AFL might be taken to court if every kid who was drafted by an interstate club went home after 2 years.
How would you be feeling if Franklin had walked to the Dockers?
Bring back zoning so we can take back Bendigo and grab Selwood.
philhawk
13 Oct 2006, 00:47
Excellent, Hansen would be in our recruiting zone. ;)
Hawk0373
13 Oct 2006, 01:05
Excellent, Hansen would be in our recruiting zone. ;)
didn't Riewoldt just miss out on Bris because their radius was scaled back to 50km?
I thought the Hawks were monties for the GF come 2009? If that's the case, why don't Hawthorn just offer Spider a 3 year deal to secure themselves the premiership in that year.
Sydney may or may not make another GF in the next couple of years. They may or may not win another premiership, with or without Spider. Spider is neither necessary nor sufficient to this happening.
Buying the team a giant box of condoms, for use in December and January, could be just as critical as getting Everitt. Improvement from Malceski, McVeigh, Grundy et al is likely to the really key factor.
2005 - swans had a ruckman - they won
2006 - swans got beaten in ruck - they lost (by a point)
2006 swans leadership group want spida in team for 2007.
You work it out liz
Excellent, Hansen would be in our recruiting zone. ;)
As would Johnstone, Judd etc.
We sweeped the zoning system :thumbsu:
2005 - swans had a ruckman - they won
2006 - swans got beaten in ruck - they lost (by a point)
2006 swans leadership group want spida in team for 2007.
You work it out liz
Yeah. We lost by a point. Hall and Bolton each missed two absolute sitters. Buchanan and Kennelly each gifted a goal to the Eagles.
The Swans were beaten in the ruck but that's not where the game was lost.
You work it out.
lethalselbow
13 Oct 2006, 07:35
Yeah. We lost by a point. Hall and Bolton each missed two absolute sitters. Buchanan and Kennelly each gifted a goal to the Eagles.
The Swans were beaten in the ruck but that's not where the game was lost.
You work it out.
Liz, your team has won one flag in seventy years. You work it out.
Lost by a point and Big "Bad" Barry Hall is still sooking about it.
Adelaide Hawk
13 Oct 2006, 07:50
I thought the Hawks were monties for the GF come 2009? If that's the case, why don't Hawthorn just offer Spider a 3 year deal to secure themselves the premiership in that year.
How many 36 year old ruckmen play in premiership teams?
Robber Baron
13 Oct 2006, 08:58
Pelchin is a genius. Jeff Kennet should get him to negotiate all of our contracts so that we never get screwed ever again, may be John Howard get him to negotiate peace with Iraq hes so good. We are so lucky at Hawthorn to have not only the best young gun players but also the best young gun CEO, Coach and Player recruiter/negotiater. We are going to win so many permierships iin the future I just cant wait.
kolchak
13 Oct 2006, 09:01
Pelchin is a genius. Jeff Kennet should get him to negotiate all of our contracts so that we never get screwed ever again, may be John Howard get him to negotiate peace with Iraq hes so good. We are so lucky at Hawthorn to have not only the best young gun players but also the best young gun CEO, Coach and Player recruiter/negotiater. We are going to win so many permierships iin the future I just cant wait.
Robber you should be a motivational speaker for Hawthorn.
Liz, your team has won one flag in seventy years. You work it out.
Lost by a point and Big "Bad" Barry Hall is still sooking about it.
Yeah. Premierships are damn hard things to win. You don't need to tell a Swans fan that. Which is why we're not stupid enough to think that trading for a 32 year old ruckman with recent history of injury is going to guarantee another.
What has Hall's disappointment got to do with being raped over the Spider trade?
Tedeski
13 Oct 2006, 10:33
Pelchin is a genius. Jeff Kennet should get him to negotiate all of our contracts so that we never get screwed ever again, may be John Howard get him to negotiate peace with Iraq hes so good. We are so lucky at Hawthorn to have not only the best young gun players but also the best young gun CEO, Coach and Player recruiter/negotiater. We are going to win so many permierships iin the future I just cant wait.
I'm assuming this is a sarcastic post!!!
bigswan
13 Oct 2006, 10:33
Hawthorn are going to look stupid when Spida goes to the PSD, Sydney doesn't lose a pick and Hawthorn gets nothing. Too greedy!
philhawk
13 Oct 2006, 11:17
SEN just raised an interesting point.
Collingwood could be very interested in picking up Spida in the PSD.
Sydney will DEFINITELY want to trade for Spida, as they will want to heavily back-end his contract (something that cant be done if he's put in the PSD supposedly?) :confused:
Sydney will DEFINITELY want to trade for Spida, as they will want to heavily back-end his contract (something that cant be done if he's put in the PSD supposedly?) :confused:
How can you heavily back-end a two year contract?
And why would Sydney want to do anything tricky when they have oodles of salary cap space for 2007?
RustyHawk
13 Oct 2006, 13:49
SEN just raised an interesting point.
Sydney will DEFINITELY want to trade for Spida, as they will want to heavily back-end his contract (something that cant be done if he's put in the PSD supposedly?) :confused:
Brian Waldron - ex CEO of the Saints was on with Neil Balme.
BW said that Pelchen is the best in the business and knows what he is doing.
Said that Sydney know that if Spida goes into the PSD they wont get him.
Said the Saints probably wouldnt trade for Spida, but.... if he was still in the PSD and they still dont have a major ruckman, they WOULD pick him.
And, just heard that the other major ruck player out there, Michael Gardiner has knocked back the Saints first offer... so looking good for us.
= Sydney's 2nd and 3rd round for Spida and Hawks 3rd round pick (3rd round pick means nothing to us as long as we have one for Josh Kennedy)
Brian Waldron - ex CEO of the Saints was on with Neil Balme.
BW said that Pelchen is the best in the business and knows what he is doing.
Said that Sydney know that if Spida goes into the PSD they wont get him.
Said the Saints probably wouldnt trade for Spida, but.... if he was still in the PSD and they still dont have a major ruckman, they WOULD pick him.
And, just heard that the other major ruck player out there, Michael Gardiner has knocked back the Saints first offer... so looking good for us.
= Sydney's 2nd and 3rd round for Spida and Hawks 3rd round pick (3rd round pick means nothing to us as long as we have one for Josh Kennedy)
This is a ringing endorsement of Pelchen. Hawthorn supporters, let the man do his job and don't be too quick to speculate what he is thinking.
I suppose other people will say we've paid Waldron to say that.
Beckers
13 Oct 2006, 14:07
How can you heavily back-end a two year contract?
And why would Sydney want to do anything tricky when they have oodles of salary cap space for 2007?
LMAO, HEAVILY does sound strange! What are they going to do, give him $1 the first year to fit into the salary cap and $399,999 in 2008?
Robber Baron
13 Oct 2006, 15:25
Brian Waldron - ex CEO of the Saints was on with Neil Balme.
BW said that Pelchen is the best in the business and knows what he is doing.
Said that Sydney know that if Spida goes into the PSD they wont get him.
Said the Saints probably wouldnt trade for Spida, but.... if he was still in the PSD and they still dont have a major ruckman, they WOULD pick him.
And, just heard that the other major ruck player out there, Michael Gardiner has knocked back the Saints first offer... so looking good for us.
= Sydney's 2nd and 3rd round for Spida and Hawks 3rd round pick (3rd round pick means nothing to us as long as we have one for Josh Kennedy)
Even Stkilda thinks that we have the best in the business in Pelchin. He got us a top pick which Clarkson will get us another gun kid to build our premiership team with. I love Spida but he probably was not worth no.33 and more likely no.40+ so it proves how good Pelchin is as a negotiater.
Hawthorn have done real well in this trading period because Spida could have gone into the PSD and we would have gotten nothing and we ended up with no.33 which is a huge result.
lethalselbow
13 Oct 2006, 16:48
Yeah. Premierships are damn hard things to win. You don't need to tell a Swans fan that. Which is why we're not stupid enough to think that trading for a 32 year old ruckman with recent history of injury is going to guarantee another.
What has Hall's disappointment got to do with being raped over the Spider trade?
Just thought I'd bag Hall for fun. Good to see that Spida got to your mob. He'll be like an albatross around Sydney's neck.
He's cursed, i tells ya, cursed! :D
Bennycoff
13 Oct 2006, 17:01
Disappointed that Pelchen didnt try harder for Thornton.
lethalselbow
13 Oct 2006, 17:09
Didn't try?!?! Two second round draft picks in the "super" draft would have been sensational for Carlton. You can't deal with an ostrich.
Carlton need to re-build and they've got picks 1 17 19 35 & change
Imagine if they had 1,17,19,24,33,35 & change... crazy to pass it up in the "SUPER" draft.
I guess it's because Pagan can't develope young players <- not a snipe just what Carlton fans say.
Boyler_Room
13 Oct 2006, 17:44
Yeah they got nothing and even if he signs or they get him in PSD they will have someone who doesn't want to be there which is probably worse.
They could have had 24, 33 we should have thrown in any of Thurgood, Milller, Brennan or Boyle.
If I was a Carlton supporter I wouldn't be happy right now and rightly so. I'm dissapointed we couldn't come up with something better but unfortunately we didn't have much Carlton wanted.
We should have taken Sydney's deal yesterday and given Carlton a day to think it over properly.
AndrewJo
13 Oct 2006, 19:05
Yeah they got nothing and even if he signs or they get him in PSD they will have someone who doesn't want to be there which is probably worse.
They could have had 24, 33 we should have thrown in any of Thurgood, Milller, Brennan or Boyle.
If I was a Carlton supporter I wouldn't be happy right now and rightly so. I'm dissapointed we couldn't come up with something better but unfortunately we didn't have much Carlton wanted.
We should have taken Sydney's deal yesterday and given Carlton a day to think it over properly.
I am afraid that the Hawks boys stuffed it up for everyone in this Trade Week. The eventual deal for Everitt was done in the last 90 seconds and was the same as offered on Tuesday. There were a lot of grumbles about the way it was handled from the Hawks. You may have scored Thornton with more time instead of now having to go in the PSD!!