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rokket80
26 Oct 2006, 22:44
As above.. Both duds?... I can't choose!
delirious1
26 Oct 2006, 23:04
i wouldnt really call an AA ruckman a dud
mini_me316
26 Oct 2006, 23:57
What's your question?
Who's better?
Who would you want more in your team?
Who has played better in recent time?
Who has played better over there carrer?
Who will play better at their new club?
delirious1
27 Oct 2006, 00:05
What's your question?
Who's better?
Who would you want more in your team?
Who has played better in recent time?
Who has played better over there carrer?
Who will play better at their new club?
"which is the prettier last name"
This is not an easy question to answer. If Gardiner was a about 5 years younger and didn't have chronic injuries, he'd win hands down. When fit, Gardiner is an excellent ruck. He was much maligned in the latter part of his career at the Weagles, because he was being used as a KP forward, a position in which he has absolutely no idea. The Blues selection of Ackland was a slightly controversial one. Ackland does have some ability, and excellent mobility. At 196cm, he lacks the height of the bigger rucks, but he does have a good leap that compensates to an extent. The Blues chose him, mainly because he should be serviceable, is relatively young, and our current batch of rucks are pretty ordinary. Next year, the Blues will have one of the most impressive arrays of young midfield talent ever seen at AFL level, and having a ruck that can get close to breaking even would be a huge plus, something we haven't had for several years. The Blue star ruck hope is Aisake - Setanta's brother. Aisake stands about 204cm, and like his brother is a gifted athlete. Unlike Setanta, Aisake has a natural ruck ability. He also has a freakish leap and mobility, but is still a year or 2 away from having the body strength/experience to compete at the highest level. :)
Bring-Back-Powell
27 Oct 2006, 15:37
Ahh .... Good old Parrot!
The glass is always half full at Royal Parade according to him/her
IMO the Ackland situation smacks of the Dylan McLaren situation. Acquring a ruckman for the sake of needing a ruckman...ignoring the actual quality of the player in question.
I'd say Gardiner is the better ruckman, only because he has the runs on the board.
Good luck to Ackland, he deserves his 3 year contract!
..The glass is always half full at Royal Parade according to him/her...
I guess, it's a natural reaction if you have 16 flags and are the most successful Club in the competition, and have just assembled the most talented younger group in the AFL's recent history. Bit harder if you haven't won a flag for 50 years though and have perpetual middle-of-the-road status. :)
Sockit151
27 Oct 2006, 16:08
As above.. Both duds?... I can't choose!
Gardiner for sure..
He at least has some star qualities, Ackland has proved at Port and St.Kilda he is an honest battler at best.. No team will ever win a flag with him as ruck, i thought the blues had moved on from the times when the picked up others teams leftovers and were going to pick some kids who might take us somewhere?? :thumbsd:
Jeremias
27 Oct 2006, 16:22
At their best-easily Gardiner.
Right now-easily Ackland. Not only is he younger, but he also has a much better attitude. Wouldn't want Gardiner anywhere near the club, thank god we didn't pursue him.
rokket80
27 Oct 2006, 18:30
What's your question?
Who's better?
Who would you want more in your team?
Who has played better in recent time?
Who has played better over there carrer?
Who will play better at their new club?
Sorry.. Should of been more specific.. Carlton realistically could of taken either of them.. Choose not to go with Gardiner for their new recruiting policy. - So.. As of now.. I wanted to know which one people would take.
thebigboy
27 Oct 2006, 18:56
Ackland is a passable ruckmen. gardnier has a dodgey knee and is probably not going to achieve his best.
Gardiner>Ackland.
footy_paul
27 Oct 2006, 19:42
gardiner sober or gardiner on the turps
mad-saint-guy
27 Oct 2006, 19:48
Hehe, 8 of the 12 people that voted for Ackers are Carlton supporters. If you made this poll a few days ago I bet none of them would have.
Bazza2332
27 Oct 2006, 22:32
Gardiner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ackland
For those who doubt Gardiner's attitude, best take a look at Ackland's first.
At least Gardiner doesn't start pushing his teammates and getting angry at them in his huddle unlike Ackland.
DynamoUltra
28 Oct 2006, 01:10
This is not an easy question to answer. If Gardiner...
played at Carlton he would be better. However, because Ackland is a Blue, he is by far the better player.
Bring-Back-Powell
28 Oct 2006, 21:09
I guess, it's a natural reaction if you have 16 flags and are the most successful Club in the competition, and have just assembled the most talented younger group in the AFL's recent history. Bit harder if you haven't won a flag for 50 years though and have perpetual middle-of-the-road status. :)
Hey Parrot,
Honestly how many wins for Carlton next year do you think?
I'm tipping 6.
1) V Brisbane Lions (rd 5 -TD)
2) V Port Adelaide (rd 11 -TD)
3) V Hawthorn (rd 12 -TD)
4) V Melbourne (rd 14 - MCG)
5) @ Essendon (rd 20 - MCG)
6) Kangaroos (rd 21 - TD)
Will jostle with Kangaroos/Brisbane/Essendon for bottom spot.
Jeremias
28 Oct 2006, 21:20
Hey Parrot,
Honestly how many wins for Carlton next year do you think?
I'm tipping 6.
1) V Brisbane Lions (rd 5 -TD)
2) V Port Adelaide (rd 11 -TD)
3) V Hawthorn (rd 12 -TD)
4) V Melbourne (rd 14 - MCG)
5) @ Essendon (rd 20 - MCG)
6) Kangaroos (rd 21 - TD)
Will jostle with Kangaroos/Brisbane/Essendon for bottom spot.
We play you twice next year, may as well pencil us in for 2 victories straight away.
Should be about 7 or 8 victories for us next year, not more. We are slowly on the improve.
Hey Parrot,
Honestly how many wins for Carlton next year do you think?
....
Between 11th and 7th next year. Unlikely to have an impact in 2007 because of lack of experience, but an extremely talented young list with massive upside. Always risky to cap just how far they can go though. The Blues are also assembling an impressive coaching support team. The buildup to a string of flags has begun. Sit back and enjoy the famous Carlton success culture in action. :)
Mastablingbling
28 Oct 2006, 22:43
What a pooper of a poll.
Gardiner was and will be an A-class player.
Ackland is too ugly for our television screens. Screw his footy skills.
garth p
28 Oct 2006, 23:50
I guess, it's a natural reaction if you have 16 flags and are the most successful Club in the competition, and have just assembled the most talented younger group in the AFL's recent history. :)
What a load of old cobblers. Crap to the unintelligent.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Andyt30
29 Oct 2006, 00:09
we'll beat melbourne twice again, this time beat Essendon both times
beat those so called Collingwood and really rub it in to em too
least we kept up with reigning premier West coast over their
Joffaboy
29 Oct 2006, 00:31
God you are a jerk parrot :rolleyes:
............Ackland does have some ability......, he should be serviceable...
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3513607&highlight=ackland#post3513607
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5099706&highlight=ackland#post5099706
And yes I still think Ackland is better than Knobel.
sabre_ac
29 Oct 2006, 00:31
Is this some kind of joke?
If Gardiner can get at least hafl way to his best form he will be a force to be reckoned with.
lethalselbow
29 Oct 2006, 07:10
Pole should have had a 3rd choice for a stale chicko roll.
How can you pick between a worn out has-been and a never was/never will be hack??
maccas_no1
29 Oct 2006, 10:02
gardiner sober or gardiner on the turps
Doesnt matter he is an angry phsyco anytime of the day:thumbsd:
Bring-Back-Powell
30 Oct 2006, 08:24
We play you twice next year, may as well pencil us in for 2 victories straight away.
Should be about 7 or 8 victories for us next year, not more. We are slowly on the improve.
There is no way you'll beat Melbourne twice next year...at the MCG. Hell we won 11 out of 12 games there in 2006.
Very wishful thinking for a team thats won 7 games in 2 years.
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 08:31
There is no way you'll beat Melbourne twice next year...at the MCG. Hell we won 11 out of 12 games there in 2006.
Very wishful thinking for a team thats won 7 games in 2 years.
I bet you didn't think we would beat you last year either...twice ;)
I bet you didn't think we would beat you last year either...twice ;)
I was a bit disappointed with the AFL draw. I was hoping they'd let us play the Dee's 3 times next year. :)
I'm astounded by the support for Gardiner considering how much of a head case he is. Another Laurence Angwin thats for sure. Good luck to the saints cos you will need it. Alot of time, money and effort will need to be poored into this fella to get him on the right track, and there is no guarantee you can.
I know I'm a carlton supporter and we have just obtained Ackland, but come on look at the events in at least the past 2 years of Gardiners life, alleged mafia connections, drug connections, drink driving accident. The guy is a loose cannon, I would much rather a 24 year old Ackland then a 27 year old has been with too much baggage.
Bring-Back-Powell
30 Oct 2006, 09:22
I bet you didn't think we would beat you last year either...twice ;)
No I didn't think that, but remember it was at Telstra Dome, where we are crap at.
Now do you and Parrot HONESTLY believe you will beat us twice at the MCG...and I mean HONESTLY.
I think you'll win one but certainly not two.
And remember you don't completely own us. We did beat you by 105 points at the MCG in 2004 and won easily in the Princes Park farewell.
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 09:33
No I didn't think that, but remember it was at Telstra Dome, where we are crap at.
Now do you and Parrot HONESTLY believe you will beat us twice at the MCG...and I mean HONESTLY.
I think you'll win one but certainly not two.
And remember you don't completely own us. We did beat you by 105 points at the MCG in 2004 and won easily in the Princes Park farewell.
Making the ground an excuse for losing is pathetic. We are crap at every venue, yet we still managed to beat you...twice. Blaming the venue is both sad and silly. Carlton completely owned Melbourne in 2006.
Honestly, who knows? We could beat you, like last year, but you could beat us. Nobody knows. However, what I am confident of is that we will put up a fight, we will not be pushed over like you used to. We Blues supporters are merely pointing out that supporters take playing us for granted, and automatically pencil us in for a loss. That was the case a few years ago, but not anymore. Quite simply, supporters of opposition clubs become over-confident and even cocky when playing us, and this can easily come back to bite you in the bum.
So, no, I am not confident of a win. But I am confident that both games will be well fought, and closer than the majority of Carlton haters hope and expect.
Joffaboy
30 Oct 2006, 09:35
I'm astounded by the support for Gardiner considering how much of a head case he is. Another Laurence Angwin thats for sure. Good luck to the saints cos you will need it. Alot of time, money and effort will need to be poored into this fella to get him on the right track, and there is no guarantee you can.
I know I'm a carlton supporter and we have just obtained Ackland, but come on look at the events in at least the past 2 years of Gardiners life, alleged mafia connections, drug connections, drink driving accident. The guy is a loose cannon, I would much rather a 24 year old Ackland then a 27 year old has been with too much baggage.
lol - have a look at the results of the poll. About the only ones who voted for Ackland were Carlton fans.
Gardiner, on one leg, p!ssed to the eyeballs, and out of it on some of Angwin and Normans juice would still be a better player than GOP MOR Ackland.
And the no aligned supporters on this board have reinforced that.
Enjoy your $250k a year undersized good player :thumbsu: :)
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 09:38
Enjoy your $250k a year undersized good player :thumbsu: :)
Blake? Oh, no-you said good player. Can't be him then.
Enjoy Hammill-body is shot, and he is soft at the ball. How much is he getting paid again? :D
...Enjoy your $250k a year undersized good player ...
... who the Saints desperately wanted to keep. BTW, isn't it funny how things change. The Blues now have an extremely young list packed full of raw talent, and being developed by an impressive coaching group. The Saints now have one of the oldest lists in the comp, and are increasingly relying on near-retirement-type players, and have resorted to recruiting a 28 yo ruckman. The Saints should have won a flag 2 years ago but failed because of some extraordinary GT-coaching blunders. For all the media-hype, the Saints failed to deliver and still have a 1 flag / 26 spoon record. Sit back and watch how the Blues go about winning flags - we have all the ingredients i.e raw talent, excellent coaching support, and a famous success culture. :)
Coughlan
30 Oct 2006, 10:01
God you are a jerk parrot :rolleyes:
............Ackland does have some ability......, he should be serviceable...
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3513607&highlight=ackland#post3513607
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5099706&highlight=ackland#post5099706
And yes I still think Ackland is better than Knobel.
What a suprise, parrot choosing to not respond:rolleyes: such a joke is parrot, believing that the blues have the best young talent when the truth is most of them will be battlers at best
Bring-Back-Powell
30 Oct 2006, 10:09
... who the Saints desperately wanted to keep. BTW, isn't it funny how things change. The Blues now have an extremely young list packed full of raw talent, and being developed by an impressive coaching group. The Saints now have one of the oldest lists in the comp, and are increasingly relying on near-retirement-type players, and have resorted to recruiting a 28 yo ruckman. The Saints should have won a flag 2 years ago but failed because of some extraordinary GT-coaching blunders. For all the media-hype, the Saints failed to deliver and still have a 1 flag / 26 spoon record. Sit back and watch how the Blues go about winning flags - we have all the ingredients i.e raw talent, excellent coaching support, and a famous success culture. :)
Except you've still got deadwood such as Bannister, Teague, Scotland, Wiggins, Bryan, McLaren and now Ackland who aren't going to take you anywhere soon.
The future may look good but the short to medium term prospects stink for Carlton.
As for you coach...didn't everyone want him out 2 months ago :confused:
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 10:12
What a suprise, parrot choosing to not respond:rolleyes: such a joke is parrot, believing that the blues have the best young talent when the truth is most of them will be battlers at best
Battlers at best? Who are you talking about?
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 10:13
Except you've still got deadwood such as Bannister, Teague, Scotland, Wiggins, Bryan, McLaren and now Ackland who aren't going to take you anywhere soon.
The future may look good but the short to medium term prospects stink for Carlton.
As for you coach...didn't everyone want him out 2 months ago :confused:
Deadwood like Scotland?
HAHAHAHAHAHA...I hope you are joking :o
Except you've still got deadwood such as Bannister, Teague, Scotland, Wiggins, Bryan, McLaren and now Ackland who aren't going to take you anywhere soon....:
I admire your efforts, I guess skipping over large amounts of raw talent on the Blues list, made your aware of the reason the Blues beat the Dees so easiliy nowdays, and why most predict the Blues to win flags in the near future. Anyway, in terms of your desperate effort to identify the worst 7 players on our list, you kinda failed, although I agree that Teague, Deluca and possibly McLaren are "dead wood". You inclusion of Scotland however, again reveals your lack of football knowledge. Scotland had an excellent 2006. Wiggins, despite injuries, was extremely impressive on occasions e.g. V Weagles at Subi. Also delighted to have Ackland, and the Saints hierarchy were extremely unhappy to see him go. I suspect part of your frustration is with the Dees perpetual traditional middle-of-the-road status. Can't see anything changing for the next few years. You should be happy though, watching a major Victorian team like Carlton, win some more flags in the near future. :)
God you are a jerk parrot :rolleyes:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3513607&highlight=ackland#post3513607
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5099706&highlight=ackland#post5099706
And yes I still think Ackland is better than Knobel.
:thumbsu::thumbsu: What have you got to say for yourself Parrot? I'm dying to hear it.
footy_paul
30 Oct 2006, 10:58
I guess, it's a natural reaction if you have 16 flags and are the most successful Club in the competition, and have just assembled the most talented younger group in the AFL's recent history. Bit harder if you haven't won a flag for 50 years though and have perpetual middle-of-the-road status. :)
did you forget about essendons lazy 16 premierships aswell???:o
... believing that the blues have the best young talent ...
You mean like (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rveg-cL4Bag) ? :)
You mean like (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rveg-cL4Bag) ? :)
I don't think I have seen that one before, that was judd-like, thanks parrot! That's made me look forward to seeing murphy and gibbs on the ball next year so much more!!
lol - have a look at the results of the poll. About the only ones who voted for Ackland were Carlton fans.
Gardiner, on one leg, p!ssed to the eyeballs, and out of it on some of Angwin and Normans juice would still be a better player than GOP MOR Ackland.
And the no aligned supporters on this board have reinforced that.
Enjoy your $250k a year undersized good player :thumbsu: :)
I don't think your club agrees with your thoughts so much :thumbsu: :) :
Blues' Ackland coup stuns Saints
27 October 2006 Herald-Sun
David Hastie
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/files/blues.jpg CARLTON will boost its ruck stocks next season by signing out-of-contract St Kilda big man Cain Ackland.
The Blues will use their No. 1 pick in the pre-season draft to secure the 24-year-old after offering him a lucrative three-year deal. While the Saints are yet to announce their delistings, Ackland was part of new coach Ross Lyon's future plans, despite the arrival of former Eagles ruckman Michael Gardiner during trade week.
The Saints offered the 196cm Ackland an improved two-year deal in a bid to retain him, but he rejected the offer earlier this week.
Saints chief executive Archie Fraser said he was surprised by Ackland's decision.
"We were never going to delist Cain," Fraser said.
"When Ross arrived he was keen to keep him. He was keen to make him a part of his structure.
"It all happened in the last three days. The Blues obviously needed a ruckman and Cain decided that his future was at Carlton, not with St Kilda."
Gardiner, on one leg, p!ssed to the eyeballs, and out of it on some of Angwin and Normans juice would still be a better player than GOP MOR Ackland.
And the no aligned supporters on this board have reinforced that.:thumbsu: :)
No but the results and comparisons of next season for each player will prove my point in leaps and bounds. As I said good luck to St. Kilda in trying to revive Gardinders career you will need every bit of it.
Bring-Back-Powell
30 Oct 2006, 12:41
I admire your efforts, I guess skipping over large amounts of raw talent on the Blues list, made your aware of the reason the Blues beat the Dees so easiliy nowdays, and why most predict the Blues to win flags in the near future. Anyway, in terms of your desperate effort to identify the worst 7 players on our list, you kinda failed, although I agree that Teague, Deluca and possibly McLaren are "dead wood". You inclusion of Scotland however, again reveals your lack of football knowledge. Scotland had an excellent 2006. Wiggins, despite injuries, was extremely impressive on occasions e.g. V Weagles at Subi. Also delighted to have Ackland, and the Saints hierarchy were extremely unhappy to see him go. I suspect part of your frustration is with the Dees perpetual traditional middle-of-the-road status. Can't see anything changing for the next few years. You should be happy though, watching a major Victorian team like Carlton, win some more flags in the near future. :)
Parrot, I must admit I am absolutely excited about Carlton's young guns, and nothing would give me greater joy than to see a Victorian powerhouse back where they truly belong...top 4 and winning premierships.
I wish Carlton all the health and happiness they so richly deserve.
However what do you think of Melbourne's up and comers who are 23 or under.
Bate
McLean
Jones
Sylvia
Moloney
Davey
Dunn
Bartram
Paul Johnson
Chris Johnson
Rivers
Miller
Now even that would make a Carlton die hard like yourself's mouth water.
The Dees may be middle of the road now, but the future is very rosy at Demonland.
I don't think I have seen that one before, that was judd-like, thanks parrot! That's made me look forward to seeing murphy and gibbs on the ball next year so much more!!
Are you for real. My mum could of kicked that goal. Nothing special at all. What a nothing moment that clip is.
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 12:59
Parrot, I must admit I am absolutely excited about Carlton's young guns, and nothing would give me greater joy than to see a Victorian powerhouse back where they truly belong...top 4 and winning premierships.
I wish Carlton all the health and happiness they so richly deserve.
However what do you think of Melbourne's up and comers who are 23 or under.
Bate
McLean
Jones
Sylvia
Moloney
Davey
Dunn
Bartram
Paul Johnson
Chris Johnson
Rivers
Miller
Now even that would make a Carlton die hard like yourself's mouth water.
The Dees may be middle of the road now, but the future is very rosy at Demonland.
Only a few of them will be excellent-Davey, McLean, Rivers
Bate, Dunn, PJ, Jones will be good to very good
Bartram will be good, nothing more. He is not excellent. He will provide great service, but I think he will be similar to McDonald.
Moloney is a silly footballer. Good kick, good strength, not much else. CJ is average.
Miller is rubbish-very average footballer, does not have a footy brain. Will provide you with 3 or 4 good games per season.
Parrot, I must admit I am absolutely excited about Carlton's young guns, and nothing would give me greater joy than to see a Victorian powerhouse back where they truly belong...top 4 and winning premierships.
I wish Carlton all the health and happiness they so richly deserve.
However what do you think of Melbourne's up and comers who are 23 or under.
Bate
McLean
Jones
Sylvia
Moloney
Davey
Dunn
Bartram
Paul Johnson
Chris Johnson
Rivers
Miller
Davey is the talent standout IMO. A long way ahead of the others talent wise. His pace, skill, and awareness is just first-class. The Dees getting him as a Rookie must go down as one of the all time best recruitment decisions. Probably the next best is McLean - who's a good little tough-nut. Rivers had a good first season. Best not comment on Sylvia - I guess every Club is guilty of making those sort of decisions. I'm struggling to think of any other positives unfortunately. I think the Dees will be more than competitive, but the point is there ain't enough talent there for them to take the next step. The Dee's are caught in a middle-of-the-road-no-mans land. I guess it also comes down to expectations of supporters. Many teams are happy to be competitive and consistent, and sneak into the finals on occasions. This will keep the membership levels stable, and the membership contented. The Blues are a bit different - flags are the only thing that count and EVERYTHING else is failure. 2nd or 16th, it makes no difference - both are failures. This philosophy sets different objectives i.e the emphasis on designing a young team to win flags. After this years draft, our talent stocks will be at sufficiently extreme levels to achieve this. The next step is the development of this raw talent by Denis, Ratten, Bradley and co. Exciting times ahead. :)
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 13:03
Are you for real. My mum could of kicked that goal. Nothing special at all. What a nothing moment that clip is.
You are right. Running with the flight of the ball on a collision course with other players. Having the composure to keep your cool and use what pace you have to break away from the opposition. Running at full pelt away from an opposition defender, on the boundary, and slotting it through whilst under immense pressure from another opposition player.
Nothing special about that at all. :rolleyes:
Fool.
You are right. Running with the flight of the ball on a collision course with other players. Having the composure to keep your cool and use what pace you have to break away from the opposition. Running at full pelt away from an opposition defender, on the boundary, and slotting it through whilst under immense pressure from another opposition player.
Nothing special about that at all. :rolleyes:
Fool.
Not really. I see Eagles players kick that goal every week pretty much without too much fuss from me or anyone else.
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 13:20
Not really. I see Eagles players kick that goal every week pretty much without too much fuss from me or anyone else.
The gap in proven talent between Carlton's list and West Coast's list is immense :cool:
Just because you see it often from the Eagles, does not detract from how good it was, how difficult it was, or how exciting it was.
Murphy is an elite talent, and by doing things like that, along with all the other things he shows, it is special.
Just because it may happen on numerous occassions does not make it any worse.
The gap in proven talent between Carlton's list and West Coast's list is immense :cool:
Just because you see it often from the Eagles, does not detract from how good it was, how difficult it was, or how exciting it was.
Murphy is an elite talent, and by doing things like that, along with all the other things he shows, it is special.
Just because it may happen on numerous occassions does not make it any worse.
Makes it less exciting though :cool:
Makes it less exciting though :cool:
I still remember the Blues V Weagles game at Subi this year, when the young Blues midfield exploited their talent-advantage over the Juddless-2nd-tier Weagles midfielders. Think they were up by well over 40 points at one stage, until inexperience got the better of them. From memory Fev also embarrassed Glass yet again with a nice little goal-spree. I little taste for Weagles fans of things to come. Real shame the AFL won’t let the Blues play Weagles in Victoria anymore - they rarely beat us here. :)
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 13:34
Makes it less exciting though :cool:
For you, maybe.
But for us Carlton supporters to see the obvious talet shining through like that is VERY exciting.
I still remember the Blues V Weagles game at Subi this year, when the young Blues midfield exploited their talent-advantage over the Juddless-2nd-tier Weagles midfielders. Think they were up by well over 40 points at one stage, until inexperience got the better of them. From memory Fev also embarrassed Glass yet again with a nice little goal-spree. I little taste for Weagles fans of things to come. Real shame the AFL won’t let the Blues play Weagles in Victoria anymore - they rarely beat us here. :)
How did it feel to watch a team who played 40 mins of footy win the game :o
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 13:49
How did it feel to watch a team who played 40 mins of footy win the game :o
Absolutely shattering.
We were the better team on the day, for a longer period of time.
But we are over that, and we draw the huge number of positives out of that game. We saw the Carlton talent come to the fore. Hopefully next year, that talent will be exposed more often, and for longer periods. The talent is definitely there.
Bring-Back-Powell
30 Oct 2006, 13:52
Davey is the talent standout IMO. A long way ahead of the others talent wise. His pace, skill, and awareness is just first-class. The Dees getting him as a Rookie must go down as one of the all time best recruitment decisions. Probably the next best is McLean - who's a good little tough-nut. Rivers had a good first season. Best not comment on Sylvia - I guess every Club is guilty of making those sort of decisions. I'm struggling to think of any other positives unfortunately. I think the Dees will be more than competitive, but the point is there ain't enough talent there for them to take the next step. The Dee's are caught in a middle-of-the-road-no-mans land. I guess it also comes down to expectations of supporters. Many teams are happy to be competitive and consistent, and sneak into the finals on occasions. This will keep the membership levels stable, and the membership contented. The Blues are a bit different - flags are the only thing that count and EVERYTHING else is failure. 2nd or 16th, it makes no difference - both are failures. This philosophy sets different objectives i.e the emphasis on designing a young team to win flags. After this years draft, our talent stocks will be at sufficiently extreme levels to achieve this. The next step is the development of this raw talent by Denis, Ratten, Bradley and co. Exciting times ahead. :)
Very well said Parrot :thumbsu:
Although give Sylvia time...he may be a star in the making. A little like A Walker.
May we share in each others future success!!
How did it feel to watch a team who played 40 mins of footy win the game :o
Wasn't too concerned, because it demonstrated that we already have enough talent to make a Juddless-Weagles midfield look pretty silly on their home turf. Add this years superdraft talent, including Bryce Gibbs, then the inclusion of Judd won't matter. The Blues have a massive WA supporter base, and may well beat the Weagles at Subi this year - perhaps the AFL's recent ban of Victorian based Carlton V Weagles games isn't such a bad thing. We need a challenge. :)
goDees22
30 Oct 2006, 14:25
Making the ground an excuse for losing is pathetic. We are crap at every venue, yet we still managed to beat you...twice. Blaming the venue is both sad and silly. Carlton completely owned Melbourne in 2006.
Honestly, who knows? We could beat you, like last year, but you could beat us. Nobody knows. However, what I am confident of is that we will put up a fight, we will not be pushed over like you used to. We Blues supporters are merely pointing out that supporters take playing us for granted, and automatically pencil us in for a loss. That was the case a few years ago, but not anymore. Quite simply, supporters of opposition clubs become over-confident and even cocky when playing us, and this can easily come back to bite you in the bum.
So, no, I am not confident of a win. But I am confident that both games will be well fought, and closer than the majority of Carlton haters hope and expect.
Doesn't matter how cocky the supporters are, the players are the problem, they were definitely overconfident in the 2 games last year. Keep in mind we also only beat Essendon at the dome due to one good quarter and that was one of our worst games of the year, and we also got thrashed by the dogs there. We are **** at the Dome. Fact.
..May we share in each others future success!!
Yes. It'll be nice to see the Victorian based teams dominate again. Franchise-based clubs just lack any character or tradition. Their relatively large membership base, is a result of aggressive marketing campaigns, and is the reason their supporters in general, have such little knowledge of the game, and why their wins just seem so passionless. Watching Weagles supporters bang little yellow plastic sticks together behind the goals at Subi, at their local Freagle Derby, just makes us all cringe. I'd be surprised if half their membership demographic know the rules of the game. I guess it brings in revenue for their business though. :)
Coughlan
30 Oct 2006, 15:26
Battlers at best? Who are you talking about?
Murphy, Walker and Kennedy are your only three that could be something real good, maybe not battlers but the rest will just be good solid players
Jeremias
30 Oct 2006, 15:29
Murphy, Walker and Kennedy are your only three that could be something real good, maybe not battlers but the rest will just be good solid players
Simpson...
lethalselbow
31 Oct 2006, 07:39
... and why most predict the Blues to win flags in the near future. ...
Apart from Carlton fans who's been saying Blues will win flags in the near future???
Can't wait until the end of next season to laugh my ass off at all the people that have voted for Gardiner. Yeah sure he will turn his game around.:rolleyes:
Coughlan
31 Oct 2006, 08:27
Simpson...
wont be a star, a good player, but a top class player- get your hand off it
wont be a star, a good player, but a top class player...
I agree Simpson will be very very good. BTW how do you feel about the Tiges trading away their top-10 pick in this years super-draft? If you look through the Tiges list, apart from Deledio, it is pretty devoid of top-shelf talent, and probably explains the Tiges three 100+ point losses this year. Almost all of the Tiges younger players are in the average to just above average talent category. After Delidio, Tambling is probably the next best, but missing out on Franklin will likely go down as one of the all-time draft blunders. Seems that the Tiges traditional middle-of-the-road status will continue for at least another 5 years or so. :)
Jeremias
31 Oct 2006, 13:01
wont be a star, a good player, but a top class player- get your hand off it
Has everything needed to become a star, only time will tell.
I can comfortably say he would be Richmond's 2nd best youngster.
Coughlan
31 Oct 2006, 13:32
Has everything needed to become a star, only time will tell.
I can comfortably say he would be Richmond's 2nd best youngster.
i can also say comfortably that you would be wrong as well
Jeremias
31 Oct 2006, 13:34
i can also say comfortably that you would be wrong as well
So then, name who is better than him...
crazy_big_al
31 Oct 2006, 14:23
ackland has never proved a thing. he has the heart the size of a pea.
Coughlan
31 Oct 2006, 14:27
So then, name who is better than him...
Raines:thumbsu:
Polo :thumbsu: Tambling and Meyer have more upside and will be better as well.
as for the topic Gardiner easily, has baggage and i wouldnt touch him with a lexxington steeler but Ackland has shown nothing and if we want to talk about attitude, I dont think hes much of an imporvement on Gardiner