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Rocco Jones
27 Feb 2002, 11:22
Hello it's Rocco Jones hear again.
I was wondering who you Port Power fans went for before the Power was admited into the league. Did you support an AFL team, did you support the Port Adelaide Magpies or did you barrack for a team in both comps. So I decided to create a poll that would uncover where the Power fans come from.
Macca19
27 Feb 2002, 11:37
Port Magpies with smaller interest in AFL team
Porthos
27 Feb 2002, 11:45
Supported Port Magpies, no AFL team.
Port Magpies and Essendon (oh the horror)
Originally posted by Rocco Jones
Hello it's Rocco "the part time Port poster" Jones hear again.
I was wondering who you Port Power fans went for before the Power was admited into the league. Did you support an AFL team, did you support the Port Adelaide Magpies or did you barrack for a team in both comps. So I decided to create a poll that would uncover where the Power fans come from.
Hi Rocco...
Being a part-time supporter I thought you should 1st know that it is rather Port Adelaide or The Power ... not Port Power (this was the clubs mistake in early marketing).
Anyway now onto the question at hand...
I supported Port Adelaide Magpies in the SANFL (since I can remember) and then Cartlon since from about the mid 80s until Ports entry). I partially supported The Crows for there 1st 2/3 years mainly to hope that the Port players did well. As soon as Port got the nod for the license my entire devotion went to them.
Cheers
SKC
Originally posted by Macca19
Port Magpies with smaller interest in AFL team
Collingwood??? Carn, you can admit it!!! :D
You should have ALL had reciprocal feelings for the original Magpies!!!
I still go for the SANFL Pies (aparantly that means I have supported 2 different clubs in the last 10 years...go figure!?!?!).
I'll think you will find Macca was a camry lover for a while.
PowerGirl36
27 Feb 2002, 13:20
Supported both PA Magpies and an AFL team
I was not a fanatical crows supporter :o :(
Satay Mat
27 Feb 2002, 13:22
yes....I too attended the 4cyl mid sized family car team for a period (1991 to 1996 to be precise).....and of course the magpies all the way through.
I still remember the hollow fealing I had at VFL park in 1996 seeing the crows play knowing port would be in the following year....that the team I supported then instantly meant nothing to me....interesting feeling that.
Satay Mat
Originally posted by Port01
I'll think you will find Macca was a camry lover for a while.
Urrrgh! :eek:
Can he still sing their first song??? A true Barry Crocker!!!
Grave Danger
27 Feb 2002, 14:26
I hated the Camries from the start because they stole our place in the AFL. I used to follow former Port Adelaide players rather than any particular VFL/AFL team. I would have liked to have been more enthusiastic about Collingwood, but they've disgraced the Magpie name in recent decades.
that dockerland forum is a disgrace Grave.
100 little sabres all talking amongst themselves.
Grave Danger
27 Feb 2002, 15:25
Originally posted by Port01
that dockerland forum is a disgrace Grave.
100 little sabres all talking amongst themselves.
It's almost certain that sabre is the webmaster there ;) Did you read the thread about Chad Cornes? They wanted him reported for milking a free kick! Sir Gavin would never play again if they had their way :rolleyes:
Yeah, I read that one.
And the one about how Primus is a disgrace for aggravating Farmer to the point that Jeff had no option but to try and deck him :p
Macca19
27 Feb 2002, 16:00
Originally posted by FIGJAM
Urrrgh! :eek:
Can he still sing their first song??? A true Barry Crocker!!!
Yup, was a supporter of Collingwood till 1991 when my dad and I chose to go for the crows because they were an SA side. Despite getting into them, I always looked forward to Port Magpies matches more than Crows matches on the weekend. After 1994 when we got the licence i stopped supporting them and barracked for Collingwood and Richmond until Port got in in 97.
As for the crows first song??
'We're the crows, we're south australian
we're the crows...red gold and blue,
we're the crows, we're gonna getcha,
we're the crows...and we're coming to get you.....coming to get you.....coming to get you....coming to get YOU'
And yes...it was s&&thouse
Macca19
27 Feb 2002, 16:10
Originally posted by Port01
that dockerland forum is a disgrace Grave.
100 little sabres all talking amongst themselves.
The place is a joke. No grasp on reality that place.
One guy reckons Port were playing like it was a final?? I actually thought we were in a bout second gear myself. One stupid girl reckons Farmer only got three weeks because he has dark skin and plays for Freo!!
Oh freo supporters....gotta love em...they supply everyone with a good laugh
Porthos
27 Feb 2002, 16:20
Wow, that site rules...
Two things won it for Port, their dominance in the ruck and their unrelented attack at the ball. They played the match like it was a final and Fremantle weren't prepare for that. From a Port Adelaide view point it could be a worry because there is no one they can keep up that kind of intensity until September - which is why they died off last year. If we kept up that intensity, we'd have barely made the eight.
:p :p :p
PAfolwr
27 Feb 2002, 16:22
Hawthorn thanks to P. Hudson.( showing my age)
Then Hawthorn & Port from early eighties.
Then no real interest after about 1990 until Port finally joined.
Speaking of dockerland, I hope they beat West Coast.
Otherwise they may have to leave the state after all that stuff they have been sprouting.
blackdiamond
27 Feb 2002, 18:29
I never really followed an AFL team before the Power came along.
Naturally my team was Port Adelaide in the SANFL.
However I did go to all the Crows games between 1991 and 1996, however not to follow the Crows or to barrack for the opposition.
I was there to barrack for the Port Adelaide players whether they be in a Crows guernsey or on the opposite side. Whenever a Port player touched the ball or kicked a goal I soon told those Camry supporters where he came from, Port Adelaide of course!
They hated every bit of me however they didn't deserve any better.
Ford Fairlane
27 Feb 2002, 19:01
I remember getting Footy Park membership when the camries came in to make sure I could keep my favourite spot for Port Magpies games at FP (especially finals). I'd go with a few mates to the Members and barrack for the opposition whenever the crowies played at home. They were good days ... things would get heated especially if it was a close finish. They didn't mind throwing things at us either!!!
As for an interest in a VFL club ... I liked watching Hawthorn. I also remember the grainy black and white footage of Peter Hudson kicking squillions of goals, after that it was Leigh Matthews and Dermott Brereton ... even Conan the Librarian with the world's most amazing mullet terrorising forwards was good value. Mostly though it was because they beat North in a couple of GFs in the 70s .. I just didn't like North although I couldn't say why any more.
Hey Macca - that camries song, how did that go with the endlessly entertaining "Here we go, here we go" refrain ... or did they have two separate songs?
dreamkillers
27 Feb 2002, 20:02
Port Magpies as it was bred into me with a slight interest in Essendon due to a school friend who came across from Melb when I was in Grade 3.........
My mother has been a member of Port since the late 40's and even converted my father who played for Westies underage side - his father captained West Adelaide in the early 1900's and went on to captain SA in 1910 (I have his West Adelaide and SA Life Membership Fob Watches amongst my collection of Port Adelaide memorabillia (including one of the original pickets and Magpie Carpet squares from the old club rooms).
Have hated the cows ever since they were given our licence........loved it when we beat the Bays in 1990 as it was a Grand Final promoted as us against the rest of the state........there was no way we were ever going to lose that one despite Cornes declaring they had the better side after the game in our changerooms.......boy did that go down well........
As for the Freemantle board.......no real surprises in the comments they post there although I must admit it did seem that they had some people that understood footy at their old Rivals site and Forum.........haven't seen too many signs of that here......
:D
ThePowerFromPort.com
27 Feb 2002, 21:13
I only followed Port Magpies and had no interest in the AFL until the end of 1996.
Born and raised Port Adelaide area. Followed North Adelaide a little in the Dennis Sachse era, though in that time only ever went to Port Adelaide games. Then nothing for many years while out in the country then while heavily involved with city work. Then back "home" to the Magpies for many years. Followed Crows a while but completely lost interest in them when Port's AFL entry was mooted - an overnight change in mindset. My family, all Crows supporters, consider me obsessed!
Macca19
27 Feb 2002, 23:18
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Hey Macca - that camries song, how did that go with the endlessly entertaining "Here we go, here we go" refrain ... or did they have two separate songs?
completly different tune. That song up there was there first ever song but they never played it and went for the 'here we go' crap.
Ford Fairlane
28 Feb 2002, 00:01
Originally posted by Macca19
completly different tune. That song up there was there first ever song but they never played it and went for the 'here we go' crap.
thought they must have been. can't ever remember the first one. just the "here we go" stuff they played endlessly at the breaks, with all the clapping and singing along ... the first one looks a bit like Centrals "Watch out the dogs r coming ..."
I always remember KG arguing one day that the crowies official title was the Camry Crows and he wouldn't have a bar of it being anything different, not even when someone asked him what would happen if Holden sponsored them. The words of the song must have really eaten into his brain (?) :D
Dennis Sachse, hey Portly? Now I don't feel so old ;) ... did u ever see him doing the ads for sewing machines on the old Channel 9 Footy Show? That was about the weirdest match of personality and product I've ever seen!!!
Grave Danger
28 Feb 2002, 00:32
One of the first TV ads I can remember was Geof Motley doing Glen Ewen Gold Medal Jam.
Ford Fairlane
28 Feb 2002, 00:50
Originally posted by Grave Danger
One of the first TV ads I can remember was Geof Motley doing Glen Ewen Gold Medal Jam.
Now I can't go that far back ;) ... but it must've been a sight! But Dennis Sachse on a sewing machine ... :confused:
PAfolwr
28 Feb 2002, 06:51
What gets me about the Crows theme song is
"The pride of south australia" bit.
They always knew there eventually would be another side.
To claim one team for all SA is a bit farcical.
That attitude is the bit that put me off from the start.
Plus whoever heard of " A pride of Crows".
Then again the "real bit for a flock of Crows" wouldn't sound good in a song.
Grave Danger
28 Feb 2002, 09:56
Crows. Make a lot of noise, but mostly harmless.
Tredders#16
28 Feb 2002, 14:21
Port Adelaide Magpies, and also the luckless Sainters in the VFL-AFL, until our entry. Can u believe they made the GF the first year I change to the Power!!!
Tredders#16
Kane McGoodwin
28 Feb 2002, 20:22
Grave Danger - I think you find it was Collingwood who blocked Port's original bid to enter the AFL because of the black & white / magpies issue. This was before the SANFL had a chance to enter a composite team. Any way, IMO it has been better for SA football in the long run as there would not be as much rilvary with a 2nd side has Port entered 1st.
Porthos
28 Feb 2002, 20:44
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Any way, IMO it has been better for SA football in the long run as there would not be as much rilvary with a 2nd side has Port entered 1st. Unless the second side was Norwood, which it probably would have been.
Ford Fairlane
28 Feb 2002, 23:02
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Grave Danger - I think you find it was Collingwood who blocked Port's original bid to enter the AFL because of the black & white / magpies issue. This was before the SANFL had a chance to enter a composite team. Any way, IMO it has been better for SA football in the long run as there would not be as much rilvary with a 2nd side has Port entered 1st.
Hmmm Kane. Read your signature, thought about it .. then figured I'd take the chance anyway ... ;)
Sorry, but no, Collingwood's opposition had very little to do with blocking Port's original bid. Back in 1990 the role of the AFL Commission was to implement recommendations to advance the progress of the AFL. Any recommendation made by the Commission could be overturned by a 2/3 majority vote of the member clubs (as I recall).
It was widely rumoured that the Commission had canvassed the clubs to ensure they had the numbers before striking a Heads of Agreement with Port.
Sure there were murmurings of discontent from some clubs, notably Collingwood re the black and white/Magpie issue (Again as I recall the Commission supported our retaining the colours but not the emblem). Also some clubs queried who would foot the travel bill, as it was rumoured the Agreement suggested the AFL would do so.
Then the Bays (the lords of litigation), followed by the other (as it was then) 8 league clubs took Port to court to prevent consummation of the Agreement, claiming breach of contract (or some such). The case was never proven but continuous stays of proceedings, with a concurrent order preventing Port and the AFL from negotiating further, meant that no further progress could be made.
In the meantime, while Port were bound up in litigation, the SANFL went to the AFL to negotiate a new deal for a composite club, based on Port's Agreement. The conditions of entry were pretty much the same in the end.
Eventually the Commission had to put a proposal to the AFL clubs. They did table Port's proposal, but of course it was doomed because there was no guarantee it would even go ahead, being bound up in legal actions. The final vote was 1 For (Carlton, bless their little free enterprising hearts), 1 abstaining (North Melbourne) and 13 against.
So as you see, Collingwood's opposition mattered little in the grand scheme of things.
As to the question of the order of entry really meaning much in terms of being "better for SA football" ... well I can't see how. All it would have meant was the anti Port element would have had a few years to cool their heels building themselves up into a frenzy of resentment (which they managed quite well over the course of 1990 anyway). Plenty of media ringmasters here to help keep that pot boiling.
Kane McGoodwin
28 Feb 2002, 23:59
Ford Fairlane - You obviously know more about the aborted entry than me. I suppose I'm just going on the thoughts of a few close Port members I know who are very bitter towards Alan MacAlister & his lobbying of other Presidents to sabbotage Port's entry.
I reckon the Crows entry 1st has been better for SA as a whole (may be not Port though) for 2 reasons:
1. Crows as a composite side have captured the imagination of most of the SA public, including new football followers (which is good for footy). With the largest membership, strong dividends have flowed back to make the SANFL still viable.
2. If Port entered 1st & Norwood entered 2nd, the liklihood is neither would be playing in the SANFL, which would leave us with a pathetic state league.
Ford Fairlane
1 Mar 2002, 01:43
Well that's my potted recollection of those events anyway .. certainly by no means definitive!!!
There's no doubt McAlister was nuisance value, but IMO the court injunctions and the intensity of the opposition within SA gave the AFL Commission and Clubs cold feet, and when the SANFL came to the table to deal, it gave them their out.
dreamkillers
1 Mar 2002, 21:02
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
In the meantime, while Port were bound up in litigation, the SANFL went to the AFL to negotiate a new deal for a composite club, based on Port's Agreement. The conditions of entry were pretty much the same in the end.
I'll have to dig out my footy books from the time but I can assure you the conditions/concessions the AFL had agreed to with Port's entry were a lot more generous than what the Cows ended up with.........especially in regard to the time period allowed for exclusive access to securing SA players as well as retaining existing recruiting zones that Port Adelaide had at the time.
I'll see if I can hunt down the details over the weekend.
Santos L Helper
1 Mar 2002, 22:22
My story.
Always barracked for the Port Adelaide Magpies, but also barracked for Collingwood until 1990. Once we went for the AFL license, which should have been ours, I stopped barracking for Collingwood because we should have been in there and I knew we would eventually. I NEVER barracked for the Cows. I hated them with every piece of hate I could muster for being a bunch of thieving bastards full of pretend supporters.
ps. Pleasec delete ALL references to the Cows club song in this thread as it's enough to make me sick.
Ford Fairlane
1 Mar 2002, 22:48
Originally posted by dreamkillers
I'll have to dig out my footy books from the time but I can assure you the conditions/concessions the AFL had agreed to with Port's entry were a lot more generous than what the Cows ended up with.........especially in regard to the time period allowed for exclusive access to securing SA players as well as retaining existing recruiting zones that Port Adelaide had at the time.
I'll see if I can hunt down the details over the weekend.
I'll leave you to it .. good luck!;) It will be interesting to see what you come up with ... time has eroded some of the memories of those days.
Now that you mention it, I do recall the recruiting zone suggestion, but I think that was to be at the expense of some draft picks. And had it given us any sort of advantage, it would have been dispensed with very quickly by the clubs .. you just have to see how quickly they diluted our proposed concessions this time round, after they suggested we had been stockpiling players for our entry in 1997 :eek:
I'm pretty sure that the recruitment of out of contract AFL players was the same - eight in all, six in the first year, two in the second.
I can't recall any more than two years being proposed as the length of moratorium on SA players, although there was to be a six (?) year time limit before another entry from SA could be accepted ... and that one the SANFL did get!
Originally posted by Port01
Port Magpies and Essendon (oh the horror)
I have new-found respect for you!! :eek:
dreamkillers
1 Mar 2002, 23:56
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Now that you mention it, I do recall the recruiting zone suggestion, but I think that was to be at the expense of some draft picks. And had it given us any sort of advantage, it would have been dispensed with very quickly by the clubs .. you just have to see how quickly they diluted our proposed concessions this time round, after they suggested we had been stockpiling players for our entry in 1997 :eek:
I'm pretty sure that the recruitment of out of contract AFL players was the same - eight in all, six in the first year, two in the second.
I can't recall any more than two years being proposed as the length of moratorium on SA players, although there was to be a six (?) year time limit before another entry from SA could be accepted ... and that one the SANFL did get!
According to the quotes from Bruce Weber in Bruce Abernethy's book 'From Port To A Power' after meeting with Alan Schwab we had secured:-
-No Fee to join the AFL.......now that was a big one.......
-Keep Port Adelaide's zone for one or two draft picks (I'm pretty sure this was for longer than 2 years moratorium on SA players)
- We would be still called the Magpies although a change of logo to distinguish from Collingwood's Magpie
-We would wear our Black & White guernseys with minor changes for games against Collingwood
-licence to be held by the SANFL and operated by Port Adelaide
-Ex Port Adelaide players out of contract at AFL clubs could be picked up without giving up any draft picks......
There were others but not detailed in this book.........will get back with the others at a later date.........
Only 5 clubs were needed to knock back the proposal and exactly 5 voted against it - no mention of who the clubs were except 1 was Collingwood.
At least the AFL paid for all of Port's legal costs that arose from their bid.........it would be interesting to hear Alan Schwab's (now passed on) recollection as he was the key mover at the AFL for Port's bid and made the original contact Ian McKenzie........
there was also some details about Norwood's bid to join the AFL (something they have always denied) around the same time in a book an ex-Melbourne president wrote.....it certainly showed we were not the only SANFL club considering joining the AFL......
Ford Fairlane
2 Mar 2002, 09:42
Originally posted by dreamkillers
Only 5 clubs were needed to knock back the proposal and exactly 5 voted against it - no mention of who the clubs were except 1 was Collingwood.
The voting thing always threw me a bit. Under the constitution of the AFL it states ( or did back then) that the Commission could add a team to the competition and it would take a 2/3 majority of the clubs to overturn the decision. But they must have had a straight out 2/3 majority "For" or "Against" vote the first time round. I'm fairly sure at the final vote, when both proposals were tabled Port's was defeated 1-1-13 while the SANFL's was accepted.
there was also some details about Norwood's bid to join the AFL (something they have always denied) around the same time in a book an ex-Melbourne president wrote.....it certainly showed we were not the only SANFL club considering joining the AFL......
That probably would have been Dyson Hore-Lacey, former Fitzroy President. There were always stories about clubs trying to hop into bed with them to get their licence. Every now and again in the early 1990s the Adelaide media would run some smoke and mirrors story about Port and "unnamed business interests" looking to merge with Fitzroy and relocate them to Adelaide Oval. They would just ignore the exclusion clause in the AFL/SANFL contract ... and of course nothing would ever come of it ...
Rucci keeps claiming to know the full story and he likes to hint at Norwood's involvement, but he's never really spilled the beans. Maybe he's saving it for his memoirs .. now that should be a seller :rolleyes:
dreamkillers
2 Mar 2002, 11:28
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
The voting thing always threw me a bit. Under the constitution of the AFL it states ( or did back then) that the Commission could add a team to the competition and it would take a 2/3 majority of the clubs to overturn the decision. But they must have had a straight out 2/3 majority "For" or "Against" vote the first time round. I'm fairly sure at the final vote, when both proposals were tabled Port's was defeated 1-1-13 while the SANFL's was accepted.
The 13-1-1 vote was actually the vote in favour of accepting the SANFL's third counter proposal (their first 2 were rejected by the commission).......as far as I'm aware they didn't vote on the Port proposal after the initial bid was knocked back..........
from the book on the initial bid.......
'After the injunctions were in place, the AFL put the proposal to include Port for season 1991 to the vote. A two-thirds majority was needed - Port needed 10 supporters, but five against would halt proceedings.
The AFL had promised to get Port in, but obviously didn't sell the idea well enough to five of the clubs.'
and in typical Bruce Weber fashion (I liked the blokes attitude) his comments on the AFL after the Adelaide bid was accepeted.........
'Now they promised they could get us the vote and we promised we could get the vote off our members. It should have hit the ground, been announced the day after the VFL vote that we were in and that was it, finished, because you've got the upper stick then. Can't take the licence away then. And they didn't have the numbers. We should have had them on a liquidated damages clause if they couldn't fulfill (side of the) bargain.'
Unfortunately the club didn't have the war chest behind it at the time to take on this legal action as well as taking on the SANFL for restrain of trade..........it meant Port could have gone broke if they had gone into legal battles.........
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
That probably would have been Dyson Hore-Lacey, former Fitzroy President. There were always stories about clubs trying to hop into bed with them to get their licence. Every now and again in the early 1990s the Adelaide media would run some smoke and mirrors story about Port and "unnamed business interests" looking to merge with Fitzroy and relocate them to Adelaide Oval. They would just ignore the exclusion clause in the AFL/SANFL contract ... and of course nothing would ever come of it ...
Rucci keeps claiming to know the full story and he likes to hint at Norwood's involvement, but he's never really spilled the beans. Maybe he's saving it for his memoirs .. now that should be a seller :rolleyes:
That's the bloke.......in his autobiography there are actual details of Norwood's proposal to join the AFL which have always been denied - but for some reason the details in the book were never printed by Adelaide's media.........
Rucci wouldn't be the only one.....Mike Sheehan would also as he was the one that broke the initial story about Port's bid on Sunday night the 29th July........the vote that rejected us by one was held on the Tuesday.........
and of course not much is mentioned of Port & Norwoods earlier bids to join the AFL as well - including a joint bid with the SANFL back in 1982..........In 1985 Port Adelaide registered itself as a national football club and in 1986 the SANFL registered the Adelaide Football Club name.........
Port had also discussed the idea as far back as the 1950's
at least in the end we did have some success that year to make up for losing out with Hodges taking out the leading goalkicker, Magarey Medal, Simon Tregenza running second, Troy Bond winning the reserves Medal and then finishing off by winning 'the Us against the Rest' SANFL Grand Final.........
one day the full truth will be revealed.......and by then we will have achieved the ultimate goal......success in the AFL........
Port Adelaide 1870
3 Mar 2002, 23:56
Originally posted by Santos L Helper
My story.
Always barracked for the Port Adelaide Magpies, but also barracked for Collingwood until 1990. Once we went for the AFL license, which should have been ours, I stopped barracking for Collingwood because we should have been in there and I knew we would eventually. I NEVER barracked for the Cows. I hated them with every piece of hate I could muster for being a bunch of thieving bastards full of pretend supporters.
ps. Pleasec delete ALL references to the Cows club song in this thread as it's enough to make me sick.
Santos........
never barracked for the Port Adelaide Magpies....Always barracked for Port Adelaide...happened to be the Magpies...
I still barrack for Port Adelaide...Happen to be the Power...
Hated Collingwood in 1990 for blocking our move....from that moment, hated them with all my heart...never minded them before, because they were Victorias regional , parochial , local, suburban "Magpies", hardly the equivalent to S.A.'s Magpies, but " Magpies " none the less..
I vehemently despised supporters of SANFL clubs that Abandoned them for a faceless new contrived entity, produced for the sole purpose to entice them to whole heartedly abandon theirlife long devotions for the simple support of an marketed piece of propaganda, in preferance to the clubs they, and their fathers and their Grandfathers and their great grand fathers...and their Great grea tgrand fathers had supported...all in the name of glitzy, new, shiny, bright slick marketing......lets all just go along with the new product.....
I followed the PAFC...nothing more nothing less.
I didnt listen to Crows vomit on the radio, I neverNEVER read a crows story in the newspaper, so much so as soon as I opened the sports page in the paper...if it started with "C" I simply never read it...I mentally tuned out of all Crows conversations or propoganda at work on TV / Radio..that I simply never knew who was in the crows teams, how they went, who played for them etc....
My only focus was the PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB
and how to get them into the AFL ahead of other SANFL teams.
life was fairly simple for me from1990 as far as I was concerned...the SANFL had been abandoned by "VOMIT" looking for the free touch up of the sensual AFL...I had no idea of the Crows position or who played for them....
I hated them and everything they stood for for they abandoned all aspects of traditional club football in SA.
My thoughts were simply.... Port and Norwood for the AFL..
But foremost Port Adelaide....
I couldnt even relate nor conceptualise anyones position on abandoning their club just to follow an new team formed out of the carcass of the SANFL...specifically for the AFL...
There was only one club for me thePort Adelaide Football Club ...I had many ideas as to what they would /should be called, but I never envisaged a time that could exist, when Port wouldnt be a part of the AFL..
I actively assisted where I could...as far as I'm concerned my conscience is clear ....I never abandoned my club for any entity, be it " State " based or former VFL for my beloved PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUBand they finally made it.....albeit, with an entity that replaced them in the SANFL called the Port Adelaide Magpies ..which are a different entity to "Port Adelaide" that replaced them.....
one club and one club only...The PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB REGARDLESS OF NICK NAME....unfortunately there are those that only support the nickname and believe the club is the " logo " or " nickname"...so be it........
Port Adelaide Forever...
PA1870
Kane McGoodwin
4 Mar 2002, 18:48
& the Crows supporter love ferral supporter like you too PA1870 ;) :p
crazy_big_al
31 Mar 2006, 14:39
Why do you love me?
Why do you need me?
Always and forever
We met in a chat room
Where love can fully bloom
Sure the World Wide Web is great
But you, you make me "salvavate"
Yes I love technology
But not as much as you, you see
But I still love technology
Always and forever
Our love is like a flock of doves
Flying up to heaven above
Always and forever
Always and forever
Yes, your love is truly great
Always and forever
Why do you need me?
Why do you love me?
Why do you love me?
Why do you need me?
Always and forever
We met in a chat room
Where love can fully bloom
Sure the World Wide Web is great
But you, you make me "salvavate"
Yes I love technology
But not as much as you, you see
But I still love technology
Always and forever
Our love is like a flock of doves
Flying up to heaven above
Always and forever
Always and forever
Yes, your love is truly great
Always and forever
Why do you need me?
Why do you love me?
How the heck can a red-blooded Crowie come back with an answer to that ?? :confused:
Troy Wingate
31 Mar 2006, 15:03
Living in Perth until I was 10, as well as being a Port Adelaide Magpies supporter I supported the West Coast Eagles and the Swan Districts Swans (WAFL)
wharfie_1870
31 Mar 2006, 15:19
....Always barracked for Port Adelaide...happened to be the Magpies...
I still barrack for Port Adelaide...Happen to be the Power...
........
Port Adelaide Forever...
PA1870I have followed the Port Adelaide Football Club all my life. In the SANFL their team was the Magpies now in the AFL their team is the Power.
I now however also follow the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club in the SANFL.
crazy_big_al
31 Mar 2006, 15:25
How the heck can a red-blooded Crowie come back with an answer to that ?? :confused:
love u too noddy
portentous
31 Mar 2006, 18:06
WTF is CBA on??
Plus whoever heard of " A pride of Crows".
Then again the "real bit for a flock of Crows" wouldn't sound good in a song.
I believe the correct collective noun believe it or not, is a murder of Crows.
Ford Fairlane - You obviously know more about the aborted entry than me. I suppose I'm just going on the thoughts of a few close Port members I know who are very bitter towards Alan MacAlister & his lobbying of other Presidents to sabbotage Port's entry.
I reckon the Crows entry 1st has been better for SA as a whole (may be not Port though) for 2 reasons:
1. Crows as a composite side have captured the imagination of most of the SA public, including new football followers (which is good for footy). With the largest membership, strong dividends have flowed back to make the SANFL still viable.
2. If Port entered 1st & Norwood entered 2nd, the liklihood is neither would be playing in the SANFL, which would leave us with a pathetic state league.
Rubbish IMO. The SANFL was still very popular back in the pre-Crows days. SANFL fans of teams other than Port and Norwood would largely have continued fo support their SANFL teams. Meanwhile, the two giants of SANFL football, Port and Norwood would have teams in the AFL as well, whilst their reserves teams would have still competed in the SANFL.
One game in 1990 between Port and Norwood (pre-AFL) drew a crowd of 36,000 people. You could have had those two teams in the AFL, and maintained a fairly strong SANFL competition. Instead, the SANFL decided to follow the disastrous lead of the WAFL and create a composite team, which guaranteed the demise of the SANFL. You could have had the best of both worlds, but Max Basheer and the SANFL wanted full control of a SANFL AFL team, which is why they created the artificial Crows franchise team.
passamore
3 Apr 2006, 12:50
The voting thing always threw me a bit. Under the constitution of the AFL it states ( or did back then) that the Commission could add a team to the competition and it would take a 2/3 majority of the clubs to overturn the decision. But they must have had a straight out 2/3 majority "For" or "Against" vote the first time round. I'm fairly sure at the final vote, when both proposals were tabled Port's was defeated 1-1-13 while the SANFL's was accepted.
That probably would have been Dyson Hore-Lacey, former Fitzroy President. There were always stories about clubs trying to hop into bed with them to get their licence. Every now and again in the early 1990s the Adelaide media would run some smoke and mirrors story about Port and "unnamed business interests" looking to merge with Fitzroy and relocate them to Adelaide Oval. They would just ignore the exclusion clause in the AFL/SANFL contract ... and of course nothing would ever come of it ...
Rucci keeps claiming to know the full story and he likes to hint at Norwood's involvement, but he's never really spilled the beans. Maybe he's saving it for his memoirs .. now that should be a seller :rolleyes:
Yeah, I'll be rushing to buy that book too. I think you will find that Rucci is holding back because one of his mates was at Norwood at the time and isn't blood thicker than water?