View Full Version : Collingwood will only go for midfielders!
TheClokes
31 Oct 2006, 09:40
McKenna said bolstering the club's ageing midfield was set to be its draft priority.
"Midfield players — it's no secret our midfielders are on the older side," McKenna said.
Proud and Collard come on down! :)
Monkeyboy
31 Oct 2006, 09:54
Will definately have to pick up some speedy mids. The game has passed by battlers like Lucuria, Lockyer, O'Bree and Burns. It really is an ageing, slowing and unimaginitive midfield that is crying out for some class.
KUNG FU
31 Oct 2006, 09:57
I think the first two picks will be KPP & a mid. There seems to be a lot of solid mids available in the later rounds, whereas the are too many good KPPs in the first round to ignore.
TheClokes
31 Oct 2006, 10:02
Scott Pendlebury
Martin Clarke (the real deal)
Dale Thomas
Alan Didak
Chris Egan
Dane Swan
Rhyce Shaw
Danny Stanley
Heath Shaw
Albert Proud
Clayton Collard
I think will have a great centre line in the coming years :)
Scott Pendlebury
Martin Clarke (the real deal)
Dale Thomas
Alan Didak
Chris Egan
Dane Swan
Rhyce Shaw
Danny Stanley
Heath Shaw
Albert Proud
Clayton Collard
I think will have a great centre line in the coming years :)
take out Proud and Collard as you dont have either of them yet and with the list left I would have to disagree with the "great centre line in the coming years" I see nothing there that puts them into the great category. IMO they with what is listed they will be at best average when you look at the young mids at other clubs as well. So I reckon they still do need to draft quality mids but remember wakelin and rocca aren't youngsters anymore so if one of the quality KPP gets to them I would expect them to go with them.
daics cousin
31 Oct 2006, 11:18
Middies available ----Selwood ,proud,armitage,collard,hislop,connors,houli (we must target a couple of these guys.even though there are plenty more in the draft these guys would be the cream of the crop for OUR NEEDS.All great in and under middies
KPP--- Sellars or Thorp could the ones trhat slip if that happens we must pick one up at 8
Ruckman----Tippet ,goldstein or renouf one has to be available at 28
THIS IS OUR MISSION...................................FOR 2007
In that article though it also mentioned that the Pies wanted footballers not athletes. Meaning the want someone who can play in a number of positions. I'm sure that if Sellar is still available at No. 8 the pies will take him. Especially seeing you lost Tarrant and Presti, Clement and Wakelin aren't getting any younger.
Would still think that Collingwood need a KPP at some stage in the draft. IMO, they'd be better off taking one at #10.
Timbo123
31 Oct 2006, 11:59
Where'd presti go??? (hes only 27)
vinnie_vegas69
31 Oct 2006, 12:03
He's 28, and will be 29 by the time next season starts...
He's 28, and will be 29 by the time next season starts...
Would you take a KPP at #8 or #10 VV?
vinnie_vegas69
31 Oct 2006, 12:43
Depends - If I had the chance to get both Selwood and Proud... I'd take them both.
If I got one of Selwood or Proud at #8, but the other was off the board, I'd go for a KP at #10.
If both Selwood and Proud were off the board by #8, it would mean someone like Sellar was probably left, and so I'd take him, and then draft someone like Armitage or Connors at #10.
We won't only pick midfielders Clokesy.
borderbarry
31 Oct 2006, 13:28
A problem to be considered with taking young interstaters is the return home factor. Who are the best Victoria midfielders, besides Selwood?
A problem to be considered with taking young interstaters is the return home factor. Who are the best Victoria midfielders, besides Selwood?
You mean like
Nathan Buckley
Scott Burns
Brodie Holland
Leon Davis
Alan Didak
Yeah, I see what you mean :rolleyes:
Bay Pie
31 Oct 2006, 21:19
You mean like
Nathan Buckley
Scott Burns
Brodie Holland
Leon Davis
Alan Didak
Yeah, I see what you mean :rolleyes:
Good call Murray.
Enough said.
Coin_Toss
1 Nov 2006, 08:38
Mids with #8 and #10 - for sure - but we need a top line CHB and perhaps a ruckman.
vinnie_vegas69
1 Nov 2006, 09:00
I don't know - In terms of midfielders, we could probably use one more potential star, but outside of that, I think we just need some solid depth.
I mean, Ben Johnson is already an above average player, and started this season like an All-Australian. Dane Swan is also pretty close to top line. Add to that the fact that Dale Thomas and Scott Pendlebury, if they develop, should also become top line midfielders, and I don't think that we necessarily need to have more and more top-liners in there, but rather some solid contributors that can pitch in. Add in guys like Heath Shaw and Alan Didak who are guns, and are sure to spend time in the midfield (quite possibly a majority of their time), and I'm really not THAT worried.
However, we need a tall defender that can take Presti's spot in 3 years. We have to assume that he will be retired by then or at the very least not up to taking the best forward every week. Tall defenders take time, and it is asking a lot for him to ready to be thrown into the deep end by year 3. We simply can't afford to put this off for another year, or we will put ourselves in a situation where we are forced to deal for an experienced tall defender.
I view this as a bigger need than the midfield for us, in that we can pick up midfielders anywhere in the draft that will help us, but to get a big, talented backman, we're probably going to have to get one early. If we pick up Nathan Brown or Eric Mackenzie at #10, we can be reasonably happy that we've addressed the issue, but if we get Tom Collier or Ben Reid at #28, it's not the same.
Even if we pick up a tall forward early, it allows for the possibility of Travis Cloke being moulded into a CHB, which would be okay. However, Travis Cloke is the only decent player on our list that is over 192cm and under 28 years old. To me, that is a dire situation.
If I was doing it, I would use as a rough guide:
#8 - Midfielder
#10 - Tall defender/forward
#28 - Midfielder/ruckman
#44 - Ruckman/midfielder (whichever I didn't take at #28)
#63 - Picking up anything I didn't get already/Best available.
understudy
1 Nov 2006, 09:15
I don't know - In terms of midfielders, we could probably use one more potential star, but outside of that, I think we just need some solid depth.
I mean, Ben Johnson is already an above average player, and started this season like an All-Australian. Dane Swan is also pretty close to top line. Add to that the fact that Dale Thomas and Scott Pendlebury, if they develop, should also become top line midfielders, and I don't think that we necessarily need to have more and more top-liners in there, but rather some solid contributors that can pitch in. Add in guys like Heath Shaw and Alan Didak who are guns, and are sure to spend time in the midfield (quite possibly a majority of their time), and I'm really not THAT worried.
However, we need a tall defender that can take Presti's spot in 3 years. We have to assume that he will be retired by then or at the very least not up to taking the best forward every week. Tall defenders take time, and it is asking a lot for him to ready to be thrown into the deep end by year 3. We simply can't afford to put this off for another year, or we will put ourselves in a situation where we are forced to deal for an experienced tall defender.
I view this as a bigger need than the midfield for us, in that we can pick up midfielders anywhere in the draft that will help us, but to get a big, talented backman, we're probably going to have to get one early. If we pick up Nathan Brown or Eric Mackenzie at #10, we can be reasonably happy that we've addressed the issue, but if we get Tom Collier or Ben Reid at #28, it's not the same.
Even if we pick up a tall forward early, it allows for the possibility of Travis Cloke being moulded into a CHB, which would be okay. However, Travis Cloke is the only decent player on our list that is over 192cm and under 28 years old. To me, that is a dire situation.
If I was doing it, I would use as a rough guide:
#8 - Midfielder
#10 - Tall defender/forward
#28 - Midfielder/ruckman
#44 - Ruckman/midfielder (whichever I didn't take at #28)
#63 - Picking up anything I didn't get already/Best available.
The fact we got flogged in the centre square and at clearances in our final and over most of the second half of the season does have me quite worried about our midfield.
IMO we need ball winners and blokes that can step up at clearances and in the centre square.
Im not confident we have these blokes on our list and its what Im hoping we get in the draft.
Stoppages and centre square clearances are pretty much the most important play in todays game. Your relaxed attitude to our midfield is off the mark imo.
With the depth of talls falling away after the 1st rd, I agree we should look at a KKP at 10.
The only situation I wouldn't look at a KPP at 10 is if we get both Selwood and Proud at 8 and 10.
Then I would draft a ruck at 28 if Tippett was available. If he was gone I would hopefully pick up someone like Mitch Brown and wait until my 3 rd pick for a Ruck.
With reports McKenzie isn't that far behind Hansen as the best backman in the draft, he would be a solid pick up at 10. Sounds like a Fletcher type with a long kick and verstile for any backman roles.
Anyway I predict we will pick up the following:
Pick 8 Proud (inside mid with some pace)
Pick 10 McKenzie (KPP back to replace Presti)
Pick 28 Tippett (good potential ruck/can play tall fwd while developing)
Pick 44 Reiwoldt (good option as a 3rd tall in fwd line/ compliments Cloke/Rusling....in the Ben Dixon mould)
Pick 63 Best Mid available (Would like the Pies to take Craig Bird - Good inside mid who has got great junior resume)
vinnie_vegas69
1 Nov 2006, 12:42
The fact we got flogged in the centre square and at clearances in our final and over most of the second half of the season does have me quite worried about our midfield.
IMO we need ball winners and blokes that can step up at clearances and in the centre square.
Im not confident we have these blokes on our list and its what Im hoping we get in the draft.
Stoppages and centre square clearances are pretty much the most important play in todays game. Your relaxed attitude to our midfield is off the mark imo.
We got flogged, yes, but I consider that although guys like Dale Thomas and Heath Shaw were in the side, they were not our midfield.
When our midfield actually lines up as:
Centre: Dane Swan
Rover: Ben Johnson
R/R: Scott Pendlebury
Wing: Dale Thomas
Wing: Heath Shaw
It is light on for an inside extractor, but if you add one with Pick #8, with guys like Alan Didak, Rhyce Shaw, Leon Davis and Chris Egan also rotating through, it's not nearly as poor as our backline situation.
Look at Hawthorn - Gun midfield with incredible extracting abilities, but horrendous defense. And they get flogged because of it. You quite simply cannot win games with a terrible defense, which we will have unless we replace Wakelin and Presti.
It is not as though I think our midfield is fine, but we are not DESPERATE in terms of our midfield. If Presti gets injured, we are screwed.
vinnie_vegas69
1 Nov 2006, 12:44
Anyway I predict we will pick up the following:
Pick 8 Proud (inside mid with some pace)
Pick 10 McKenzie (KPP back to replace Presti)
Pick 28 Tippett (good potential ruck/can play tall fwd while developing)
Pick 44 Reiwoldt (good option as a 3rd tall in fwd line/ compliments Cloke/Rusling....in the Ben Dixon mould)
Pick 63 Best Mid available (Would like the Pies to take Craig Bird - Good inside mid who has got great junior resume)
Riewoldt? Even if he falls a LONG way, he won't make it to #44, given that he IS a tall.
I'd look at a ruckman like Jacobs/Hampson/Goldstein there. We don't need a superstar ruckman, but we need a big body.