Dave's day of infamy

[Ford Fairlane]

A little step back in time for supporters of the old prison bar days, courtesy of Michelangelo Rucci. I was at this game, and it was strangest experience ...

Moments in Time ...
Footy's day of Grave Danger (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20690709-21543,00.html)

MICHELANGELO RUCCI, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER

November 03, 2006 01:15am
Article from: The Advertiser

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WHEN Dr Who returns with his dodgy Tardis to offer time travel through the rich history of South Australian sport, it will be difficult to settle on one moment in time in local football.

Is it that meeting in 1877 when the SA Football Association, now the SANFL, was formed at a now torn-down city hotel? Or either of 1900 or 1904 to learn why there was no Magarey Medal awarded in those seasons - or whether there was and Tom MacKenzie did win more than three?

Or 1902 when Port Adelaide refuses to play in the finals because of an umpire it considered biased against the Magpies?

Or 1963 when Fos Williams gathers an ambitious group of South Australian footballers to beat the Big V on the MCG for the first time in 37 years?

Perhaps the moment to relive - simply because the first time around it hardly seemed reality - is September 26, 1982. Football Park, as it was then, was under an overcast sky, giving the appropriate setting for what remains the most eerie day in SANFL football.

Port, as winners of the previous three SANFL premierships, played bitter rival Glenelg in the preliminary final. What happened that day remains one of the most remarkable, most bewildering, most controversial, most debated and most uncertain days in SA football.

It began with deep-seated rivalry between the Magpies and Tigers, all dating back to 1976 when the Port players believed their rover Brian Cunningham was deliberately targeted by Glenelg. The square-offs and reprisals went on for more than a decade, right up to 1990 when Glenelg took Port to the Supreme Court to stop its first AFL adventure.

One name is at the centre of every discussion about September 26, 1982 - Port centre half-forward David Granger. It would be his last SANFL game ... and his most dramatic.

Granger started on the bench, was thrown into the action at the 21st minute of the second term when Port trailed by 26 points.

By the last minute, Port was just one point behind, Granger had changed the game (despite having just one kick and two marks) ... and field umpire Rick Argent refused to pay him a free kick when Glenelg defender Graham Cornes more than nudged Granger in the back, 45 metres from goal.

In between there was mayhem. Granger was reported by a goal umpire for striking Cornes as soon as they matched up before half-time. The blows continued after half-time.

The dramatic moments in the Magpies changerooms at half-time, when coach John Cahill, selector Dave Boyd and general manager, the late Bob McLean, were locked in a heavy session reflected Port's desperation to win - at any cost.

Glenelg back pocket Stephen Barratt had his right leg broken in a "collision" with Granger in the third term. Tigers team-mate Peter Maynard had a bleeding eardrum.

Glenelg started the second half with 19 on the field - and in the Port coach's box the debate to call for a count and have the Tigers' score annulled was not over before Glenelg put its extra man back on the bench.

Had Granger had that shot for goal in the last minute or had Port wiped out the Tigers' half-time lead with a count, the riot police would have been needed at West Lakes.

The image of Glenelg coach John Halbert standing on the ground during the last half with disbelief across his face, even after the final siren proclaimed the Tigers one-point winners, lasts forever.

The jeers that accompanied Port coach John Cahill's walk down the stairs of the members' stand echo forever.

The betrayal of Granger - who was banned for eight matches by the SANFL tribunal - lingers, as does the vision of his being escorted off Football Park, for the last time, by police. All to the jeers of the Glenelg fans among the 32,339.

At times Football Park still seems to echo the drama of the day.

[captain ebert]

granger did some work at a relatives house shortly after that game, about a week or so - i was just a kid then, & went up to him & told him to his face that he had cost us the game :D

[noddy]

Glenelg back pocket Stephen Barratt had his right leg broken in a "collision" with Granger in the third term.


Collision my arse :rolleyes:

He deliberately swung his boot at SB as he was lying on the bloody ground.

Typical Rucci to try & glorify a part of PA history that they should be ashamed off on all accounts including their treatment of Granger in the so-called aftermath.

[Macca19]

I dont remember Barrett lying on the ground. I thought they were both running at each other from opposite directions and Granger swung his boot and got his leg as they met. Thats the footage i remember seeing.

[portentous]

I try not to think about that match as honestly, it makes me sick. One of those footballers that just didn't make the most of their talent. (he had plenty)

[Ford Fairlane]

I dont remember Barrett lying on the ground. I thought they were both running at each other from opposite directions and Granger swung his boot and got his leg as they met. Thats the footage i remember seeing.

Granger was lying on the ground and Barratt was running in. The ball was in the vicinity and Granger swung out with his boot. Whether it was at the ball or Barratt's leg depends on who you support.

Barratt broke his leg again the next year, again against Port, this time in a clash with Kym Kinnear. He also ripped off a finger at training another year when his wedding ring was caught in the fence as he jumped over it. I think a knee reco finally finished his career. He didn't have the best of luck.

[Ford Fairlane]

Glenelg back pocket Stephen Barratt had his right leg broken in a "collision" with Granger in the third term.


Collision my arse :rolleyes:

He deliberately swung his boot at SB as he was lying on the bloody ground.

Typical Rucci to try & glorify a part of PA history that they should be ashamed off on all accounts including their treatment of Granger in the so-called aftermath.

And what treatment was that noddy? According to reports at the time, Granger was fully involved in pre-season training under new coach Russell Ebert. His dismissal from the club followed an off-field incident resulting in police charges being laid.

This thread (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178631&page=5&highlight=granger)discusses this topic.

[noddy]

Granger was lying on the ground and Barratt was running in. The ball was in the vicinity and Granger swung out with his boot. Whether it was at the ball or Barratt's leg depends on who you support.

Barratt broke his leg again the next year, again against Port, this time in a clash with Kym Kinnear. He also ripped off a finger at training another year when his wedding ring was caught in the fence as he jumped over it. I think a knee reco finally finished his career. He didn't have the best of luck.

Exactly like you say FF & if he didn't aim at his leg then i must have been blind.

[noddy]

And what treatment was that noddy? According to reports at the time, Granger was fully involved in pre-season training under new coach Russell Ebert. His dismissal from the club followed an off-field incident resulting in police charges being laid.

This thread (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178631&page=5&highlight=granger)discusses this topic.

I think we have been through this before have we not ? :)

I can recall an interview on 5aa some time back involving DG, KC, GC plus RE & DG more or less said he was asked by the PA hierarchy to go out & sort a couple of bay players out which he did in no uncertain manner but then he was left out to hang & dry when the shat hit the fan, RE more or less in my opinion was there to give him moral support & back-up during the interview.

Others could probably clarify the interview a little better than i but that's what i can remember about it.

[noddy]

This thread (http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178631&page=5&highlight=granger)discusses this topic.

Just re-read that thread & i guess we are going over old ground once again & the facts of the debate do get tossed around a bit over time.


But at least i stayed on the topic dk. :thumbsu:

[captain ebert]

noddy = touchy bays supporter

[Toots Hibbert]

Two points:-

1) It's interesting that I posted in that thread an instance of John Cahill condemning David Grangers actions in an interview immediately after a match against Glenelg. David Granger was a hugely talented footballer. He was also a loose cannon. Given that Cahill voiced his disapproval at the time I think Grangers comment in later years that he'd been sent out to to do physical damage doesn't carry too much weight. :cool:

2) Isn't it interesting that Crows people don't have any problems understanding the facts about Port's heritage when there's a possibility of linking the club to violence. :thumbsu:

[noddy]

Two points:-

1) It's interesting that I posted in that thread an instance of John Cahill condemning David Grangers actions in an interview immediately after a match against Glenelg. David Granger was a hugely talented footballer. He was also a loose cannon. Given that Cahill voiced his disapproval at the time I think Grangers comment in later years that he'd been sent out to to do physical damage doesn't carry too much weight. :cool:

2) Isn't it interesting that Crows people don't have any problems understanding the facts about Port's heritage when there's a possibility of linking the club to violence. :thumbsu:


Point one. Seeing as you was a South Adelaide supporter at that time then i'll excuse you for your ignorance

Point two. no problem with PA heritage the same as i have no problem with it's history. :thumbsu: ;)

[noddy]

noddy = touchy bays supporter

True.

[Toots Hibbert]

Point one. Seeing as you was a South Adelaide supporter at that time then i'll excuse you for your ignorance

Point two. no problem with PA heritage the same as i have no problem with it's history. :thumbsu: ;)
Point one means I can be objective about what happened before Port's AFL journey. You by contrast are handicapped by the fact that you jumped on the Crows bandwagon while allowing your original club Glenelg to wither. I think it may well be feelings of guilt that cause you to rail against Port. It's a useful distraction from the fact that your original club has been systematically plundered by the Crows.

[dyertribe]

noddy = touchy bays supporter

Is there any other sort?

[captain ebert]

True.

while we're here, any thoughts re: salisbury on anderson, on the footy park wing?

[noddy]

Point one means I can be objective about what happened before Port's AFL journey. You by contrast are handicapped by the fact that you jumped on the Crows bandwagon while allowing your original club Glenelg to wither. I think it may well be feelings of guilt that cause you rail against Port. It's a useful distraction from the fact that your original club has been systematically plundered by the Crows.


I hope you realize how silly you are sounding Toots. :D :D

[dyertribe]

while we're here, any thoughts re: salisbury on anderson, on the footy park wing?

Or Salisbury on Richard Champion in the 1990 Foundation Cup GF...

But don't hold your breath, they turn a blind eye when it comes to 'Scooter' - it's only players who don the jailbars that are the embodiment of evil.

[noddy]

while we're here, any thoughts re: salisbury on anderson, on the footy park wing?

quite accidental of course. :rolleyes:

[noddy]

Or Salisbury on Richard Champion in the 1990 Foundation Cup GF...

But don't hold your breath, they turn a blind eye when it comes to 'Scooter' - it's only players who don the jailbars that are the embodiment of evil.

Now you're sounding as silly as Tootsie :D :D

Give up dt as i don't think they count you as one of their own regardless of what you type out.

[dyertribe]

Give up dt as i don't think they count you as one of their own regardless of what you type out.

It never ceases to amaze me how little maturity some of the older members of BigFooty seem to possess.

Well done, old man! If I was wearing a tweed fedora I'd doff it in your direction.

[noddy]

It never ceases to amaze me how little maturity some of the older members of BigFooty seem to possess.

Well done, old man! If I was wearing a tweed fedora I'd doff it in your direction.

Not a very good comeback for someone who likes to portray himself as a "man" for all seasons.

& if you was wearing a tweed fedora i would most probably doff it off for you.

[thegossip]

toots if i was you i would talk to afew people about what john cahill said to granger, ebert and afew others have always backed what granger has said about the incident. I have no problems with cahill sending him out there to do that just back up your player after. This was the start of fued between coach and alot of other port players

[Mr Magoo]

I dont remember Barrett lying on the ground. I thought they were both running at each other from opposite directions and Granger swung his boot and got his leg as they met. Thats the footage i remember seeing.


100% correct. I have video footage of this game somewhere & some of those incidents have been blown well out of proportion over the years. Young Dave was a saint & wouldn't hurt a fly, he could actually play the game when he put his mind to it i've been told many, many times unfortunately he had an anger management problem. The Cornes hit well who has wanted to give Graham a backhander back in those days & yes he was guilty of that, but as for the broken leg bit that was nothing more than an accident. If you watch it or remember seeing the actual incident, you'll see that it had been pelting down with rain for most of the game, the ball was in the area & Granger & Barrett were going for the ball coming from different directions/angles on the field. Granger playing wet weathered football & he swung his boot which missed the football & unfortunately connected with Barrett's leg. If the guy involved hadn't been Dave Granger & was say Russell Ebert, Brian Cunnigham or another Port player would their have been such public outrage over this accident? HELL NO!

If anyone wants to talk about pre medicated tactics then how about that fat ****er Craig Balme while the national anthem was playing he was swinging like their was no tomorrow at Timmy Evans, which in the end cost us the game as it unsettled Timmy from what i've been told. Since that game, players no longer started in their playing positions while the national anthem was played.

[Malibu#27]

If anyone wants to talk about pre medicated tactics then how about that fat ****er Craig Balme while the national anthem was playing he was swinging like their was no tomorrow at Timmy Evans, which in the end cost us the game as it unsettled Timmy from what i've been told. Since that game, players no longer started in their playing positions while the national anthem was played.

But thats exactly the hypocrisy you get from the noddy types (judging by your last few posts noddy - so I'll use you as an example). They like to paint port as the dirty mob down the road, because it suits them, but generally overlook the similar behaviour perpetrated by their own players.


Its exactly the same reason they like to call us ferals and the like even though there are just as many ferals (per capita at their own clubs) ...


They do it because its easier to say they hate Port Adelaide because they are "dirty" or "feral" than to admit they despise Port Adelaide because they were always successful. Its also why very few people hate South Adelaide, and why more and more people are despising Centrals.


which is why its always funny that they all seem to hate us in our AFL form ..... if we were a completely new club as many try to suggest ... why the hate ?

[dyertribe]

Not a very good comeback for someone who likes to portray himself as a "man" for all seasons.

& if you was wearing a tweed fedora i would most probably doff it off for you.

Firstly, it wasn't a comeback, it was observation. I was amused at your motivation to write what you did.

Secondly, quick question, what are you trying to achieve here?

Remember Noddles, I began by making a general comment about how hypocritical and bitter Glenelg fans always seem to be - and you duly responded with the usual personal snipes about my 'foot in both camps' situation instead of playing the topic at hand.

Your last attempt (emphasis on "man"? What, are you insinuating here? That I'm some sort of boy because I've insulted your beloved Tiges?) is even worse than your first shot.

What are you? 40? 45? If in 15-20 years when I reach your age I'm sufficiently embittered enough to waste daylight taking personal potshots at other football fans on the interweb because they've razzed my football club, I'll probably weigh my legs down with bricks and walk off the Birkenhead Bridge.

But hey, that's just me. ;)

[malcolm]

infamy

infamy

they've all got it in-famy

[Toots Hibbert]

toots if i was you i would talk to afew people about what john cahill said to granger, ebert and afew others have always backed what granger has said about the incident. I have no problems with cahill sending him out there to do that just back up your player after. This was the start of fued between coach and alot of other port players
Ebert has always been there to support Granger through his troubled life post football. Find a quote of Ebert saying that Cahill told Granger to break a few legs.

[noddy]

But thats exactly the hypocrisy you get from the noddy types (judging by your last few posts noddy - so I'll use you as an example). They like to paint port as the dirty mob down the road, because it suits them, but generally overlook the similar behaviour perpetrated by their own players.
?

Sorry Malibu but you tell me where i have said or posted anything at all other than in jest that i believe PA is what you have described.

I have stated my own personal views on the Granger incident & it's aftermath & no where have i said that the Bays or any other club has not had it's hit-men over the years so please stop making false assertions.

[Toots Hibbert]

Neil Kerley was a saint. :rolleyes:

[captain ebert]

gary mcintosh :rolleyes:

[Malibu#27]

Sorry Malibu but you tell me where i have said or posted anything at all other than in jest that i believe PA is what you have described.

I have stated my own personal views on the Granger incident & it's aftermath & no where have i said that the Bays or any other club has not had it's hit-men over the years so please stop making false assertions.

Noddy - I used your comments as an example (as I stated in the post), I understand some of what you have said is probably in jest - but when it gets said enough it seems to take on a life of its own. Remove your name from what I'm saying if you like as I was speaking generically about the way misconceptions get put out there.

That being said - saying it was said in jest is usually an easy out.

[Porthos]

Remove your name from what I'm saying if you like as I was speaking generically about the way misconceptions get put out there.Nah, its quite applicable. Noddy apparently says everything in jest.

[noddy]

Firstly, it wasn't a comeback, it was observation. I was amused at your motivation to write what you did.

Secondly, quick question, what are you trying to achieve here?

Remember Noddles, I began by making a general comment about how hypocritical and bitter Glenelg fans always seem to be - and you duly responded with the usual personal snipes about my 'foot in both camps' situation instead of playing the topic at hand.

Your last attempt (emphasis on "man"? What, are you insinuating here? That I'm some sort of boy because I've insulted your beloved Tiges?) is even worse than your first shot.

What are you? 40? 45? If in 15-20 years when I reach your age I'm sufficiently embittered enough to waste daylight taking personal potshots at other football fans on the interweb because they've razzed my football club, I'll probably weigh my legs down with bricks and walk off the Birkenhead Bridge.

But hey, that's just me. ;)

Since we are using the points system :)

Point one. I'm amused that you find my motivation for what i write amusing.

Point two. i'm not trying to achieve anything really other than giving my own personal account of the subject of this thread.

Point three. yes you did make a general comment about how hypocritical and bitter Glenelg fans always seem to be & i replied in kind so take it how you like.

Point four. man, young man or "old" man what's in a name dt ? just take it on the chin & go back for more.

Point five. you can insult my beloved bays as much as you want but don't expect love & kisses back in return.

Point six. why so interested in my age ? do you have something against the mature age citizens of our country ?

Point seven. take it from me yungun embittered is not a word i would use to describe myself, maybe a little on the eccentric side of things & as you say maybe a touch immature at times but what the hell dt you're only young once & it is the internet is it not ?

Point nine. crossed that bridge many times but never thought about jumping in.

[noddy]

Nah, its quite applicable. Noddy apparently says everything in jest.

Hello Porthos.

Any news yet on Foxtell & next years footy coverage ??

[noddy]

Noddy - I used your comments as an example (as I stated in the post), I understand some of what you have said is probably in jest - but when it gets said enough it seems to take on a life of its own. Remove your name from what I'm saying if you like as I was speaking generically about the way misconceptions get put out there.

That being said - saying it was said in jest is usually an easy out.


Could you at least point out the part of this thread where i have made derogatory comments about the PAFC ??

But if by what you say we can't rubbish other clubs history, coaches, players or what ever without being called some of the names i been labeled with recently we might as well give it up now.

[dyertribe]

Since we are using the points system :)

What happened to point 8?

[Macca19]

Trying to get this threa dback on track.

What was the mood like at the ground when all this was going on? What was the crowd like?

Was there any attempt at retribution from the Glenelg players? Brawls? Payback?

How many incidents were there that day? Was there only the Cornes/Barrett incidents or were there more? If so, what were they?

ps. I have no trouble with what noddy has said in this thread.

[noddy]

What happened to point 8?


I'll leave that to your imagination. :D

[Ford Fairlane]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6607/granger8sn8.jpg

[MrMeaner]

8 8 I forget what 8 was for...

[captain ebert]

great memories ford...

[Ford Fairlane]

Trying to get this threa dback on track.

What was the mood like at the ground when all this was going on? What was the crowd like?

Was there any attempt at retribution from the Glenelg players? Brawls? Payback?

How many incidents were there that day? Was there only the Cornes/Barrett incidents or were there more? If so, what were they?

ps. I have no trouble with what noddy has said in this thread.

I think everyone at the ground - crowd and players - were completely taken aback by what was happening. I can't recall any attempt at payback, it was as if the Bays were just willing it all to end. The Bay supporters in the members apparently turned very ugly on Jack (I was in the outer and it wasn't as obvious there). I remember to this day the roar from the crowd and a sense of foreboding when he came off the bench and was waiting by the interchange gate to come on. All under this murky black sky. It was like a gothic horror novel.

There were incidents aplenty, virtually all involving Dave. If other players had become involved it would've turned into an NHL style free for all. I saw (or have seen on video) him hit Cornes, Carey, Sewer, Maynard (burst his eardrum and forced him out of the GF) and Barratt.

The week before, Greg Turbill had stoved in a young Martin Leslie's cheekbone with a forearm to the face, right in front of the umpire who chose not to act. Maybe that contributed in some way, I don't know.

[Mr Magoo]

toots if i was you i would talk to afew people about what john cahill said to granger, ebert and afew others have always backed what granger has said about the incident. I have no problems with cahill sending him out there to do that just back up your player after. This was the start of fued between coach and alot of other port players

Now this is what was allegedly said to David sometime during the game, "Let's go out there & crack a few skulls", notice how i said allegedly as i have absolutely no concrete evidence that was said as i wasn't there when it was allegedly said. I was told this by my next door neighbor who going back all those years ago knew basically every Port Adelaide football player who played the game from the late 70's until the late 80's before he sold his house & moved interstate. If it was John Cahill that allegedly said it or someone else higher up in the club told Jack to tell David that, i'm not going to discuss as there's no point flogging a dead horse but i can see why Noddy might be a little crook on the subject but for anyone to say that David wasn't going for the football when he unfortunately broke Barrett's leg needs to get their eyes tested. If i can find the video tape of that game i will put it on here & you can see as clear as daylight that David swung his leg to kick the footy off the ground & missed the ball but unfortunately hit the Glenelg's player leg.

[Ford Fairlane]

Don't worry about the gossip ... he seems to have a lot to say about Port and the crows, and very little about Sydney. It's almost as if ... oh never mind.

And that must've been some feud, seeing as Jack left Port to coach the Carringbush after the 1982 season.

[bighawk1961]

Anyone rung Rooch to ask if he could leave us a column a week during the summer to wind up the Glenelg Crowies?

[dreamkillers]

I think everyone at the ground - crowd and players - were completely taken aback by what was happening. I can't recall any attempt at payback, it was as if the Bays were just willing it all to end. The Bay supporters in the members apparently turned very ugly on Jack (I was in the outer and it wasn't as obvious there). I remember to this day the roar from the crowd and a sense of foreboding when he came off the bench and was waiting by the interchange gate to come on. All under this murky black sky. It was like a gothic horror novel.

There were incidents aplenty, virtually all involving Dave. If other players had become involved it would've turned into an NHL style free for all. I saw (or have seen on video) him hit Cornes, Carey, Sewer, Maynard (burst his eardrum and forced him out of the GF) and Barratt.

There were quite a few niggly offences by players from both sides on the day but 'Grave Danger' did go over the top including the hit on Sewer which was payback for a behind the play hit on a Port player in the previous game.

MInd you quite a few Bay supporters should be ashamed of their behaviour after the game as I was spat on, kicked, elbowed and hit with quite a few umbrellas just because I had his name and number on my duffle coat. I was where Marg Gill sits on the fence in front of the members stand for the game (like most finals in the 70's and 80's) and it took more than 30 minutes just to get our of the ground gatesas so many idiots wanted to have a go at me in my early teenage years.

The week before, Greg Turbill had stoved in a young Martin Leslie's cheekbone with a forearm to the face, right in front of the umpire who chose not to act. Maybe that contributed in some way, I don't know.

I think you'll find the previous game against the Bays was also a catalyst for what happened as there were a few behind the play incidents in that game that went un-noticed and Cahill had been building up the aggression since that earlier game.


As per what Mr Magoo posted JC said to Granger before he went on "Let's go out there & crack a few skulls" which he had said to other players in the past as well and has been used by quite a few SA coaches in those days including Kerls.


That said perhaps Noddy could give us his account of the violent Grand Finals in the mid 80's when we weren't there as you'll see a lot more violence/fights/king hits compared to this Grand Final............but because it's not Port it rarely gets a mention as the jealousy factor isn't there.


And with Noddy being the keen Glenelg supporter (and member I would presume) he'd be able to tell us some very interesting accounts of what some of their players got up to during the 70's and 80's inside their own club...........

[dreamkillers]

And that must've been some feud, seeing as Jack left Port to coach the Carringbush after the 1982 season.

JC knew he was going to Collingwood before our finals campaign began..........

[Ford Fairlane]

JC knew he was going to Collingwood before our finals campaign began..........

Exactly. There was hardly time for a feud, seeing as Jack wasn't even there.

[noddy]

And with Noddy being the keen Glenelg supporter (and member I would presume) he'd be able to tell us some very interesting accounts of what some of their players got up to during the 70's and 80's inside their own club...........

Point one. this thread is about DG as from Mr Rucci's article.

dk i have never ever said that the bays were full of saints & us along with all clubs have had their hit-men over the years,

I never saw that game live only on the tv but the incidents involving DG were shown repeatedly for a number of weeks.

As for the DG interview on 5aa well i trust there are many more on here who would have tuned in for that one.

[noddy]

but i can see why Noddy might be a little crook on the subject but for anyone to say that David wasn't going for the football when he unfortunately broke Barrett's leg needs to get their eyes tested. If i can find the video tape of that game i will put it on here & you can see as clear as daylight that David swung his leg to kick the footy off the ground & missed the ball but unfortunately hit the Glenelg's player leg.

I saw what i saw which is the way i remember it.

But i will gladly say otherwise on your word alone.

I will say no more on this subject.

[RussellEbertHandball]

JC knew he was going to Collingwood before our finals campaign began..........

Not according to Jack. In the Fox Footy Headliners 3 part program on The New Magpies, Jack says that at the end of the 1982 season he had made up his mind up to leave Port and to my surprise he said he was going to Glenelg. That's the first I've ever heard of this. He said as he was getting ready to commit to Glenelg when Len Thompson visited him and made him an offer on behalf of Ranald McDonald and the board.

Apparently the same day Collingwood had secured Jack, Alan McAlister off his own bat had secured John Kennedy. So there was trouble from day one at the Pies.

[Toots Hibbert]

I saw what i saw which is the way i remember it.

But i will gladly say otherwise on your word alone.

I will say no more on this subject.
Bollocks noddy. The next time the subject comes up it'll be like Groundhog Day.

[dreamkillers]

Not according to Jack. In the Fox Footy Headliners 3 part program on The New Magpies, Jack says that at the end of the 1982 season he had made up his mind up to leave Port and to my surprise he said he was going to Glenelg. That's the first I've ever heard of this. He said as he was getting ready to commit to Glenelg when Len Thompson visited him and made him an offer on behalf of Ranald McDonald and the board.

Apparently the same day Collingwood had secured Jack, Alan McAlister off his own bat had secured John Kennedy. So there was trouble from day one at the Pies.

Jack's version of many things has changed since the 80's and 90's for verious reasons but I'm confident of the source of my information on this.

I knew about John Kennedy but the Collingwood board had approved Jack's appointment (but before he was actually signed up) before Alan came up with the Kennedy option and all of this happened before the SANFL finals had even started.

[dreamkillers]

Point one. this thread is about DG as from Mr Rucci's article.

Actually Point 1 is this is the Port board and you are a visitor so we'll discuss what we want where we want.........:D

dk i have never ever said that the bays were full of saints & us along with all clubs have had their hit-men over the years,

We know as you never talk about them.......the overwhelming majority of your posts here avoid actually discussing the game but you always like adding a 'smart' comment...........OBJ would be proud of you.

I never saw that game live only on the tv but the incidents involving DG were shown repeatedly for a number of weeks.

Of course they were but there were plenty of other incidents in other games that were just as bad and plenty more that were much worse in the 60's, 70's and 80's but they don't get talked about much as it doesn't involve Port Adelaide.......Tall Poppy syndrome at it's best.

As for the DG interview on 5aa well i trust there are many more on here who would have tuned in for that one.

No idea what this has to do with my post that you quoted only 1 sentence from......

[portentous]

Shall we bring up those epic North vs Glenelg Grand Finals next??

[dreamkillers]

Shall we bring up those epic North vs Glenelg Grand Finals next??

I mentioned them in my earlier post but for some reason Noddy didn't want to talk about them..........:D

[portentous]

Saw more blood at one of those games than at a Blood Bank. Unbelievable. There were about 10 Dave Grangers running around that day.......

[RussellEbertHandball]

Jack's version of many things has changed since the 80's and 90's for verious reasons but I'm confident of the source of my information on this.

I knew about John Kennedy but the Collingwood board had approved Jack's appointment (but before he was actually signed up) before Alan came up with the Kennedy option and all of this happened before the SANFL finals had even started.

This is from page 64 of Garry Linnell's book, FOOTBALL LTD The inside Story of the AFL, which formed the basis of most of the Headliners programs on the different AFL clubs in this years programing.

Allan McAllister was the club's treasurer. A short, stocky man, he had never played the game at the elite level and he felt that several other members of the Colingwood board ignored him because of that. But McAlister had an ace up his sleeve. When the club went searching for a new coach at the end of the 1982 season, a list of canidates were drawn up. McAlister went to Macdonald and told him he believed he could secure the best of all: John Kennedy. ............

McAlister had known Kennedy for some time. He rang him one day and asked if he'd be interested in the Collingwood coaching position. Kennedy indicated he would and the began discussing the possibility of such a move.

McAlister reported back that Kennedy was effectively in the bag. The deal was set.

Then, just before McAlister finalised the deal on behalf of the club, he received a call at home one Sunday morning. One of the board members was on his way to Adelaide to sign up South Australian coach John Cahill. McAlister made a series of furious calls to try to stop the deal. But it was too late.

He rang Kennedy, embarrased and humiliated, and apologised for leading him down the garden path. McAlister was surprised that Kennedy was not as angry as he had expected. But then, Kennedy had been around football long enough to know how they took care of business. ......

From the headliners program, I recall that the end of the season was the end of the VFL season not Collingwood's, and the dealings between McAlister and Kennedy, and Jack and the rest of Collingwood board, all occured at the same time, over a short period of time.

[noddy]

Actually Point 1 is this is the Port board and you are a visitor so we'll discuss what we want where we want.........:D



We know as you never talk about them.......the overwhelming majority of your posts here avoid actually discussing the game but you always like adding a 'smart' comment...........OBJ would be proud of you.



Of course they were but there were plenty of other incidents in other games that were just as bad and plenty more that were much worse in the 60's, 70's and 80's but they don't get talked about much as it doesn't involve Port Adelaide.......Tall Poppy syndrome at it's best.



No idea what this has to do with my post that you quoted only 1 sentence from......

Once again you are going off-topic, not good dk lift your game.

May i suggest that you start a tread concerning all the David Granger type players who played for clubs other than PA.

Then you can really have a ball.

To play with. :rolleyes:

As for your "smart" OBJ comment me thinks you have been listening too much to Tootsie's obsessive calls of nature. ;)

[blackdiamond]

May i suggest that you start a tread concerning all the David Granger type players who played for clubs other than PA.

The gap between a Port and Crows supporter appears to be widening every day, its even coming down to language. I have noticed this before between New South Welshmen and ourselves but didn't think it would get this far.

Then again there have been about twenty odd different pronounciations of Ricciuto over the years so I probably shouldn't be so shocked.

Anyway we call them threads over here Nodster. ;)

Also why doesn't your board write about the other David Granger type of players? You do quote yourself as 'The team for all South Australians'. :rolleyes:

[dreamkillers]

This is from page 64 of Garry Linnell's book, FOOTBALL LTD The inside Story of the AFL, which formed the basis of most of the Headliners programs on the different AFL clubs in this years programing.

Allan McAllister was the club's treasurer. A short, stocky man, he had never played the game at the elite level and he felt that several other members of the Colingwood board ignored him because of that. But McAlister had an ace up his sleeve. When the club went searching for a new coach at the end of the 1982 season, a list of canidates were drawn up. McAlister went to Macdonald and told him he believed he could secure the best of all: John Kennedy. ............

McAlister had known Kennedy for some time. He rang him one day and asked if he'd be interested in the Collingwood coaching position. Kennedy indicated he would and the began discussing the possibility of such a move.

McAlister reported back that Kennedy was effectively in the bag. The deal was set.

Then, just before McAlister finalised the deal on behalf of the club, he received a call at home one Sunday morning. One of the board members was on his way to Adelaide to sign up South Australian coach John Cahill. McAlister made a series of furious calls to try to stop the deal. But it was too late.

He rang Kennedy, embarrased and humiliated, and apologised for leading him down the garden path. McAlister was surprised that Kennedy was not as angry as he had expected. But then, Kennedy had been around football long enough to know how they took care of business. ......

From the headliners program, I recall that the end of the season was the end of the VFL season not Collingwood's, and the dealings between McAlister and Kennedy, and Jack and the rest of Collingwood board, all occured at the same time, over a short period of time.

I've got that book and it does make for very interesting reading......especially about the other SANFL club that was also trying to get into the AFL/VFL at the time we were. The headliners program appeared to have some 'poetic licence' added as is usually the case with commercial TV.

What it doesn't mention is the dealings Cahill had with certain senior Collingwood board members during our regular season and the fact he had signed a binding legal agreement with them.

It also clearly highlights the lack of communication/trust others on the board had with McAllister at the time as surely if they trusted him he would have been advised of what was happening long before the trip to Adelaide. The earlier agreement had committed Cahill to Collingwood and then it was a matter of working through the finer details of the actual coaching contract.

What is does show is the lack of faith the majority of the Collingwood board had with McAllister at the time as he wasn't involved/advised of what they were doing until it was too late for any changes to be made.

[Toots Hibbert]

Umm, is Rucci planning any similar articles about players from other clubs I wonder? Reason I ask is that I haven't been able to work out why he wrote this one. It wasn't an anniversary or anything so I'm puzzled.

[Eddie Woloschek]

JC knew he was going to Collingwood before our finals campaign began..........

I remember it differently. Ranald Macdonald and his "New Magpies" team that included McAlister didn't take over until the end of 1982 - October, or maybe even December of that year at a special general meeting - after a bitter fight at Lulie Street.

It was they who appointed Cahill.

[dreamkillers]

I remember it differently. Ranald Macdonald and his "New Magpies" team that included McAlister didn't take over until the end of 1982 - October, or maybe even December of that year at a special general meeting - after a bitter fight at Lulie Street.

It was they who appointed Cahill.

They finalised the appointment but Cahill had already been signed to a binding legal agreement with the club............this was the year Collingwood sacked Hafey mid season which was when Cahill was first approached.

The new committee weren't happy with Cahill's appointment hence him only coaching the club for the minimum term of the contract............if they were in a better financial position at the time things may have been different but the previous comittee again hadn't helped there.

[NSWCROW]

A little step back in time for supporters of the old prison bar days, courtesy of Michelangelo Rucci. I was at this game, and it was strangest experience ...
CULTURE

[Ford Fairlane]

CULTURE

35 SANFL/AFL Premierships.

[Eddie Woloschek]

They finalised the appointment but Cahill had already been signed to a binding legal agreement with the club............this was the year Collingwood sacked Hafey mid season which was when Cahill was first approached.

The new committee weren't happy with Cahill's appointment hence him only coaching the club for the minimum term of the contract............if they were in a better financial position at the time things may have been different but the previous comittee again hadn't helped there.

I find your first par somewhat plausible, but doubt your second. I think Cahill had had enough of that tribe after 2 years.

[dreamkillers]

I find your first par somewhat plausible, but doubt your second. I think Cahill had had enough of that tribe after 2 years.

Collingwood were in deep financial problems during the 80's but were kept afloat due to some very influential supporters behind the scenes and it remained that way for quite a while until some better 'business men' got involved with running the club.........

I agree Cahill had had enough of the back stabbing and lack of support but even if he did want to continue he wouldn't have been re-appointed.

[thegossip]

toots article was about moments in time, the advertiser has been doing these for last few months after the picture books then artical most weeks, last week was sport and about controversal moments in sport. also fued i mentioned was the ebert/cahill its over now but did start after that game.

[portentous]

I'm wondering though why the Bays' supporters don't whinge about Mick Parsons too though. He ran amok in one particular Grand Final I saw in the 1980's. I missed 1982's Prelim, but that Grand Final was the most blood I ever saw spilt at a footy game-and Mick Parsons was in the middle of most of it.

[thegossip]

i have to agree with you apart from the north v west grand final. The glenelg north grand final had more behind the play stuff with stringers,redden, parsons and well most players. Also the day graham cornes sent maz kruse ( i think his name was) to hit parsons in the last quarter after he had put, i think marshall down. Hay footy was good back then.

[Port_GW]

I'm wondering though why the Bays' supporters don't whinge about Mick Parsons too though. He ran amok in one particular Grand Final I saw in the 1980's. I missed 1982's Prelim, but that Grand Final was the most blood I ever saw spilt at a footy game-and Mick Parsons was in the middle of most of it.

Yeah those GF's in 85 and 86 were full of incidents, Kernahan/S Riley, plus several involving Parsons. Then there was the 91 GF between North and West (Sims/Fitzsimmons:rolleyes: ), all those games much more violent than any GF i can recall Port ever playing in!

[PowerKat]

Yeah those GF's in 85 and 86 were full of incidents, Kernahan/S Riley, plus several involving Parsons. Then there was the 91 GF between North and West (Sims/Fitzsimmons:rolleyes: ), all those games much more violent than any GF i can recall Port ever playing in!

or any game for that matter

[Santos L Helper]

CULTURE

I'm surprised you can spell it, because I'm absolutely positive you don't know what it means.

[PrideOf]

Trying to get this threa dback on track.

What was the mood like at the ground when all this was going on? What was the crowd like?

Was there any attempt at retribution from the Glenelg players? Brawls? Payback?

How many incidents were there that day? Was there only the Cornes/Barrett incidents or were there more? If so, what were they?

ps. I have no trouble with what noddy has said in this thread.

I was there Macca, in my Peter Maynard duffel coat (I might as well declare my allegiance early).

The mood at the ground was quite strange in the last half. Very eerie. Most supporters of both sides around us were just stunned at what was going on. There was a fair bit of anger bubbling away under the surface and most people were watching the sideshow rather than the game, which was a shame seeing as the game ended up a 1-point win to Glenelg, so it was close. There weren't any fights near us, but it would have taken one punch in the outer for things to really crack open.

On the field, there were a lot of elbows flying around or players dumped after disposal and it was rough - even for the 80s. But with Granger, it was like driving past a car accident, you just couldn't take your eyes off him. Many were waiting to see what he did next or what someone else did to him.

Then when the game finished, I remember seeing a fair few police. Granger needed a police escort to just get off the ground and coppers just appeared in our section, as if they were waiting for the place to explode. I remember many of the Port people just rushing out after the siren (not a criticism, just what happened). Maybe they wanted out in case of trouble, maybe they wanted out because they'd just lost and wanted to beat the traffic. The Glenelg people were too busy screaming at Granger and Cahill to notice them and tell them to F off.

I agree with some posters in this thread already who've said Granger could play - he was one super-talented bloke who just couldn't handle his anger.

And I also heard the interview on 5AA with Granger and Ebert. They all but implied that Granger had been asked to take a few out and he had. That's what Rooch refers to when he calls it the 'betrayal of Granger'. Considering that's how footy was in the 70s and 80s - get five goals down and start a fight or put someone into Ward C - I believe that's what happened.

The only winner out of that day was Norwood, who were sitting there ready to beat whoever managed to survive. And they did.

And on Rooch's article: I don't remember an umpire called Rick Argent. Rick Kinnear yes. Laurie Argent yes. But Rick Argent?

[cm_1976]

ok...
just to add my bit to this interesting thread
i recently interviewed both John Cahill and Russell Ebert for a new book i'm writing.
Jack was very out spoken, said a lot of things about Granger and RE.

Russell said that Granger was in the top 5 best footballers he has ever seen. Which, coming from RE was astonishing..

[cm_1976]

also intend to interview Granger..
so, stay tuned..