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I have mentioned how I am making my own mix of 'Good Vibrations', the song I, and many others consider to be the best song ever.......... the question I'm asking is, would you take the song YOU consider to be the best ever and add some of the composer's discarded ideas to it???? Would you dare????
Santos L Helper
1 Mar 2002, 19:58
Originally posted by lioness22
I have mentioned how I am making my own mix of 'Good Vibrations', the song I, and many others consider to be the best song ever.......... the question I'm asking is, would you take the song YOU consider to be the best ever and add some of the composer's discarded ideas to it???? Would you dare????
Do you have Mr Wilson's permission to tamper, and are you intending to release it? If the answer to the first part is....NO, then you better not even consider the second part. If someone did that to one of my bands songs, I'd sue their arse off and your heading into big business tampering with the Beachboys. Be very careful.
Shinboners
1 Mar 2002, 21:22
Originally posted by Santos L Helper
Do you have Mr Wilson's permission to tamper, and are you intending to release it? If the answer to the first part is....NO, then you better not even consider the second part. If someone did that to one of my bands songs, I'd sue their arse off and your heading into big business tampering with the Beachboys. Be very careful.
Did you ever read that book called "FAIR USE"? It was a journal of the legal problems that Negativland had when they sampled a a part of a U2 song along with a bootleg of US DJ Kasey Kasem swearing. U2's publishing company sued Negativland, but Negativland then went and tried to convince U2 to get their publishing company to stop the legal action.
In the end, U2 did nothing to help Negativland despite the fact that U2 (hypocritically) in their gigs will download images and sounds from the internet (and without permission) for their live shows.
On the other side though, the Shamen released a CD version of their song, "Move Every Mountain" with all the separate instrumental and vocal sections as individual tracks, thus allowing their fans to sample and remix their own versions of the song.
Santos,
No intention at all to release it. For maybe 15 years, fans have been making their own 'versions' of SMiLE songs. It's not for release it's more like our interpretations. People have posted on sites saying things like 'I took the original chorus of 'Heroes and Villains' and added the "in the cantina" section, moved this or that around. And Brian reads it all. He's very aware that we're all gonna tinker with the music till he decides to release it.
The difference with Brian Wilson fans is that we would NEVER EVER dream of releasing any of this stuff. Yeah we wanna finish his album but it's for PERSONAL USE ONLY!!!!! We speak of Mr Wilson in hushed tones, WHY would we disrespect him by actually RELEASING our home made (inferior) versions?????? :confused:
I suppose if I needed permission I could actually get it. :D
Mooster7
2 Mar 2002, 10:41
I would think that 'Good Vibrations' is old enough to be in public domain. You might check into that. If so, then you are free to cover it any way you wish AND release it.
I've played in some cover bands (whaddya you wanna hear?) completely guiltless. I personally think my live covers of some Zeppelin & Hendrix tunes are better than the way they pulled him at times. LZ were masters in the studio, and completely raunch live most times. I don't know how you can have bad tone with a Les Paul going through a Marshall stack, but Pagey managed.
Hendrix had some brilliant live performances, and others that were....well the emperor was naked.
So do it. Burn it on to a CD. I'll listen. If a group is going to sing like a bunch of squealing girls, it may as well be girls doing it.
:eek: ;) :D
Originally posted by Mooster7
If a group is going to sing like a bunch of squealing girls, it may as well be girls doing it.
:eek: ;) :D
HEY quit it. :mad: lol ;)
carneagles
2 Mar 2002, 12:34
Good Vibrations won't be public domain for a loooooong time. IIRC they changed the copyright law in the US recently to extend coverage to 70 years or thereabouts, apparently Mickey Mouse was about to become public domain and someone got a bit upset about that
Knock yourself out. What ideas are you thinking of?
Originally posted by carneagles
Good Vibrations won't be public domain for a loooooong time. IIRC they changed the copyright law in the US recently to extend coverage to 70 years or thereabouts, apparently Mickey Mouse was about to become public domain and someone got a bit upset about that
Knock yourself out. What ideas are you thinking of?
Well there is about 3 days worth of Good Vibrations sessions, and there are some AWESOME pieces that I think I would like to hear in there. Like that quiet bit at the end, extend that a bit, stuff like that. For my own amusement of course. :)
Stealth bomber
3 Mar 2002, 11:43
If you are just going to do it for yourself or for some few friends, go ahead and do it. You obviously revere the Beach Boys as much as anyone else does :)
I have a Tascam 4-track and I play drums and I'm messing with stuff all the time. I've dubbed in tons of my own drum tracks to already recorded material before just because its sometimes fun, although sometimes I don't like the original percussion (if there's a drum machine used or something, for example). Nobody will ever hear this stuff, and few people outside of my own head would give two monkeys. But using it for commercial purposes is a dangerous thing.
I used to take a really hard line on sampling; I thought it should have been outlawed for good and everything that used it blown to kingdom come. I don't really feel that way anymore....it's counterproductive and somewhat pretentious of me to be that way. I do however have a problem when mostly-sampled songs start winning major awards; that bugs me and always will.
What I do now is, if I hear a song that is an obvious sample and it moves me, I like to do the research and find the original tune. I've found some great stuff this way. There's a wonderful website that has a comprehensive list of samples used in rock and pop music.
CowboyFromHell
3 Mar 2002, 11:49
Whatever you do, don't touch anything done by Metallica.
Could be trouble there!:D ;)
Trust me, it's not hard at all to get sued by the Beach Boys these days. Tried my hardest, but they won't do it. :confused: LOL
Without any Wilson's, the Beach Boys is just a name with some dudes playin the hits. And I will stand by that comment. :D
carneagles
7 Mar 2002, 13:29
I take it you're not a Mike Love fan? As if I need to ask :D
Originally posted by carneagles
I take it you're not a Mike Love fan? As if I need to ask :D
LOL yeah silly question. :D The man is a complete fool.
Maggie Greg
12 Mar 2002, 00:11
I'm an Al Jardine and Brian Johnson man myself!
Dr AlfAndrews
12 Mar 2002, 01:47
Sampling is a perfectly legitimate art-form ... and when it's done properly the result should be a complete new work in its own right.
After all, no-one's got the copyright on middle-C, have they? It's all a matter of what you do with it.
A few months ago I made a one-bar loop from a song by The Clash. I then put it into a program called Recycle and chopped it up to create a sample of every different sound that occured in that bar of music. I then loaded all of these samples into Fruity Loops and triggered the different sounds in such a way as to create a completely new rhythm track, which I proudly claim to be MY OWN. I then added other instruments, wrote some lyrics and bingo ... a new song ... ALL MINE.
There is no way in the world you would ever pick it as The Clash, but in effect it is The Clash playing the rhythm section to a song composed by me. I've got a clear conscience on this and would be quite happy to release the song commercially if the opportunity arose. There's no way The Clash would recognise themselves in this song, so what they don't know won't hurt them.
lioness
17 Mar 2002, 09:43
Originally posted by Maggie Greg
I'm an Al Jardine and Brian Johnson man myself!
Ah yes, Al's very talented - come up with some great ideas, and has such a great voice. :)
For me, I'm very much what is known as a 'Wilson Cultist' by the Love fans, very much into Carl Dennis and Brian. :D