View Full Version : Ed Joyce is Tresco's replacement
Browney2006
15 Nov 2006, 17:01
Source?
Source?
Duncan Fletcher. Out with the 'ed case':D in with the Ed Joyce.
And here's some concrete confirmation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/england/6149210.stm
Ed Joyce is pretty good doubt hell play tho
eddiesmith
15 Nov 2006, 17:24
Great news, means Colly is definately in for the 1st test :D
Browney2006
15 Nov 2006, 17:43
Great news, means Colly is definately in for the 1st test :D
Of course he is, no one else was going to push past him.
eddiesmith
15 Nov 2006, 17:49
Of course he is, no one else was going to push past him.
There was always the danger of Shah or Key coming straight in and into no3
Browney2006
15 Nov 2006, 17:57
There was always the danger of Shah or Key coming straight in and into no3
Colly is unlucky to miss out in the first place. Key was never going to play and would have been a suprise if he did considering his form this year for Kent has been ********. Shah was a possibility considering he did well on his debut and first class form but was never just going to walk in ahead of Colly. Paul Collingwood will be a big part of Englands chances, he adds a lot of stability in the middle order, with players like KP and Flintoff in there. Will be the correct decision and one i am confident of when Colly takes the field at the GABBA next week. :thumbsu:
Cooldude
15 Nov 2006, 18:04
Any chance that we'd be playing any real Englishmen for the Ashes? ;)
mickeytg
15 Nov 2006, 19:49
Any chance that we'd be playing any real Englishmen for the Ashes? ;)I reckon KP would have a "gorilla" on that one and say "fat chance".
Grimwood
15 Nov 2006, 19:57
If it turns out Joyce has the right temperament for test cricket then Eddie might well end up disappointed in England's team selection over the next few years...
usalion
15 Nov 2006, 20:39
Any chance that we'd be playing any real Englishmen for the Ashes? ;)
Well, Monty and Mahmood, for a start.....:D
usalion
15 Nov 2006, 20:52
Another member of the Foreign Legion....getting to be like the West Indies now....how many national anthems would they really have to play now?
Will he play? Depends if the top order does the Black Hole impersonation....
Freo Big Fella
15 Nov 2006, 22:35
http://www.barcade.com/media/images/1779_FightingIrish.jpg
"Oh When are England going to play an actual Englishmaaaaan?"
red+black
15 Nov 2006, 23:35
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/england/content/player/24249.html
Played ICC Trophy for Ireland as recently as last year.
ICC should crack down on England once and for all.
eddiesmith
15 Nov 2006, 23:42
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/england/content/player/24249.html
Played ICC Trophy for Ireland as recently as last year.
ICC should crack down on England once and for all.
Crack down on what? Or do you want talented cricketers denied the chance to play international cricket because their parents move to another country or the country they live in isnt a test nation?
It's only Ireland, it's not like he's coming from Uzbekistan.
Grimwood
16 Nov 2006, 00:16
ICC should crack down on England once and for all.
As long as they crack down on Australia as well.
That would leave them with only 1/4 of a Jason Gillespie though... ;)
red+black
16 Nov 2006, 07:46
It's only Ireland, it's not like he's coming from Uzbekistan.
He played the ICC Trophy for Ireland in 2005, helping Ireland qualify for the 2007 World Cup. When that World Cup comes around, he could be playing for England. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
As long as they crack down on Australia as well.
That would leave them with only 1/4 of a Jason Gillespie though... ;)
So Australia might lose what 1 or 2 players? Whereas England would lose half their squad.
Grimwood
16 Nov 2006, 08:10
He played the ICC Trophy for Ireland in 2005, helping Ireland qualify for the 2007 World Cup. When that World Cup comes around, he could be playing for England. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
It'd only be like a New Zealand player playing for Australia if New Zealand didn't have test status. Given the chopping and changing in League and Union I guess your taste buds must be pretty sick of you by now?
So Australia might lose what 1 or 2 players? Whereas England would lose half their squad.
I was being just a little bit cheekier than that.
Let's just say Ireland probably would have test status if things were taken to the extreme... ;)
http://www.barcade.com/media/images/1779_FightingIrish.jpg
"Oh When are England going to play an actual Englishmaaaaan?"
I reckon its pretty rough on Ed to play for England - I think cricket has lost some of its "national" pride - countries are becoming "clubs"
even some of the assosiate members have aussies/kiwis/ poms/pakis/indians etc etc playing for them. but I think its a little worse when a big nation like England needs to pull players from other countries.
Freo Big Fella
16 Nov 2006, 14:05
even some of the assosiate members have aussies/kiwis/ poms/pakis/indians etc etc playing for them. but I think its a little worse when a big nation like England needs to pull players from other countries.
If you look at the sides like the USA and Canada you'd find that most of their players are US or Canadian born.
The problem I have with this is that the Kolpak Laws make it ridiculously easy for England to poach young, talented players from other countries that have spent lots of time and money on their development.
Sidey_87
16 Nov 2006, 14:55
Ireland should get a rd 1 draft pick for him atleast, or maybe a 3 way trade could happen.:rolleyes:
Sidey_87
16 Nov 2006, 14:58
I reckon its pretty rough on Ed to play for England - I think cricket has lost some of its "national" pride - countries are becoming "clubs"
even some of the assosiate members have aussies/kiwis/ poms/pakis/indians etc etc playing for them. but I think its a little worse when a big nation like England needs to pull players from other countries.
I agree with that.
It's blokes like this you need to worry about (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/countycricket/content/story/260738.html)
hopefully by playing him in a ODI he can't be poached. I think the ICC need to look into having a rule that top flight countries like England, Australia, India etc etc can not have players who qualify for the associate teams. Especially ones that will potentially exposed to WC and ODI games
obviously there would need to be exceptions - but they would need to be tough and public
apollo_creed
16 Nov 2006, 20:29
yeah Australia would have no players. :D
Bring the rule in!
Browney2006
16 Nov 2006, 21:03
Bring in the rule, there would be a lot of Australian sides that would be empty, probably half the olympic squad.
I reckon its pretty rough on Ed to play for England - I think cricket has lost some of its "national" pride - countries are becoming "clubs"
even some of the assosiate members have aussies/kiwis/ poms/pakis/indians etc etc playing for them. but I think its a little worse when a big nation like England needs to pull players from other countries.
He chose to play for England, England can't just nick players they have to want to come and play 5 years of County Cricket before they can even be considered, Ed Joyce stated that he wanted to play for England.
Freo Big Fella
16 Nov 2006, 23:19
He chose to play for England, England can't just nick players they have to want to come and play 5 years of County Cricket before they can even be considered, Ed Joyce stated that he wanted to play for England.
That ignores the fact that;
-English Counties are on average a lot wealthier than the associations in South Africa and the West Indies. A 20 year old is hardly going to want to play for his State or Province if there's a 50 something grand contract on offer from Middlesex.
-England have people actively recruiting in South Africa (there was an article posted on here last year)
-It allows England to recruit players from around the world (at least the places that have a trading relationship with the EU) and stack their test side with them. I've got no problem with blokes like Berkenstein, Ackerman, Louw (even Mascerhenas, which was especially dissappointing as I'd love him playing for WA) going over to solely play county cricket, but it shouldn't extend to playing test matches as that can negatively affect development in other countries. The article above is a case in point, how are Minnows like Holland meant to develop their cricket if England can buy out their best players?
The ICC needs to enforce stronger restrictions on country shifts.
Freo Big Fella
16 Nov 2006, 23:20
Bring in the rule, there would be a lot of Australian sides that would be empty, probably half the olympic squad.
I didn't realise this was the Olympics board.
He chose to play for England, England can't just nick players they have to want to come and play 5 years of County Cricket before they can even be considered, Ed Joyce stated that he wanted to play for England.
If he wants to play test cricket, he doesn't have a choice.
But if England continues to play guys like this, why not call themselves Great Britain and Ireland?
eddiesmith
16 Nov 2006, 23:50
If he wants to play test cricket, he doesn't have a choice.
Exactly, so why should good players be denied the right to play test cricket because the country they live in doesnt have a test side?
Grimwood
17 Nov 2006, 02:44
-England have people actively recruiting in South Africa (there was an article posted on here last year)
Really? I'd like to read that.
Exactly, so why should good players be denied the right to play test cricket because the country they live in doesnt have a test side?
Thats bull******** eddie, so how the hell do they develop teams capable of test standard if the majority of their players head to england ?
These guys who ARE capable of playing test cricket should be left with there respective countries to help raise the bar in that country, Ireland have been a competitve associate country for years, but if the good players keep getting poached they will never beable to build a team
I think the ICC is helping the cause by giving some of the these associates ODI status for their games, the development of cricket isn't going to be helped by players being poached from their home countries.
If you look at some of the associate countires like Canada, Holland and Kenya they are close to becoming competitive countries if only they got more game time.
Exactly, so why should good players be denied the right to play test cricket because the country they live in doesnt have a test side?
Fair enough, but don't pretend they're an English side by calling them England. If they want to be able to select players from all of Europe, call them Europe.
Marklar_33
18 Nov 2006, 16:41
Exactly, so why should good players be denied the right to play test cricket because the country they live in doesnt have a test side?
Agreed. ODIs and Tests need to be viewed as totally seperate entities, so even if Joyce does play for England in Tests, he should still be an Irish ODi player, so long as he qualifies for both under the laws of cricket.
Same with Gavin Hamilton, who will play for Scotland in the WC after playing a Test for the European Combined XI between World Cups :D