Steve for Prime Minister

[Gary Shadforth]

Born into a fourth generation ALP supporting family, I am elated and congratulate Steve Bracks on the return of the Victorian government.

Steve, you would make one helluva great PM. I say that as a supporter of Kim.

Thank God for the ALP!

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[LifeSpan-Void]

Glad he's back in... Baillieu looks like the kind of guy who would eat your children and tell you that it is all in the name of getting Victoria moving again. Never trust a man with reptilian eyes!

[ringleader]

Beazley looks like he already ate someones children.

[Hawk Dork]

Great to see Jeffs legacy continue.
His once extremely safe blue ribbon Liberal seat of Burwood is still Labour 3 elections later.
With a 22 seat majority they are talking another 2 terms of Labour in Victoria.

Lets hope he doesnt work his magic at Hawthorn

[kolchak]

I have had enough of Steve's lying, about time a new lyer came. Must admit he plays politics well, is a real show pony and knows how to capitalise on federal issues. Thank god the ALP won't win federal!

[Hawk Dork]

Thank god the ALP won't win federal!
Thats what they thought about Jeff in 99
You did say they voted on Federal Issues

[kolchak]

Thats what they thought about Jeff in 99

Jeff wasn't beaten by Bracks alone, Liberal had more seats, Steve conned 3 independants to get the majority, wich he screwed over.

[GALON]

Top work Steve. I hope you keep forgetting about us that live in the rural areas of Victoria for another 4 years. :rolleyes:

[KingRich]

Top work Steve. I hope you keep forgetting about us that live in the rural areas of Victoria for another 4 years. :rolleyes:

Here Here!

[frankc]

I'm pleased Steve got through again. I've met him on a couple of occasions and he appears to be a genuine person.

As for Kim Beazley, the man has no idea. I've listened to him on a couple of occassions and while he screams long and loud about the workplace reforms he has not provided a decent alternative.

Personally, I would never want to be part of a Collective Agreement again. I've been on an AWA for eight years now and am generting much more income now than I ever would under an eba.

Problem is, its a fine line between deregulating the labour market which generates extra jobs, and ensuring their is adequate protection for workers, particularly for those who are in low-skilled work.

Mabye they should try Julia Gillard - I realise things went awol with Latham - but they need fresh blood.

[kolchak]

I'm pleased Steve got through again. I've met him on a couple of occasions and he appears to be a genuine person.

As for Kim Beazley, the man has no idea. I've listened to him on a couple of occassions and while he screams long and loud about the workplace reforms he has not provided a decent alternative.

Personally, I would never want to be part of a Collective Agreement again. I've been on an AWA for eight years now and am generting much more income now than I ever would under an eba.

Problem is, its a fine line between deregulating the labour market which generates extra jobs, and ensuring their is adequate protection for workers, particularly for those who are in low-skilled work.

Mabye they should try Julia Gillard - I realise things went awol with Latham - but they need fresh blood.


I would seriously look at Labour with Gillard as leader. Beazly just talks and talks about things that are generally irrelevant, I usually have no idea what he is talking about.

Maintaining the quailty of living is becoming increasingly difficult in a globalised world. I'm not sure what the government can do, building walls around all our industries won't work, our work environment needs to adapt and change. I think this is what Howard is trying to do but I don't really don't know enough about the affect the new work place laws will have on unions to deliver support for members who are have been unfairly dismissed, as this seems to be there angle most of the time on TV ads. Does anyone know how this would be affected?

[frankc]

I would seriously look at Labour with Gillard as leader. Beazly just talks and talks about things that are generally irrelevant, I usually have no idea what he is talking about.

Maintaining the quailty of living is becoming increasingly difficult in a globalised world. I'm not sure what the government can do, building walls around all our industries won't work, our work environment needs to adapt and change. I think this is what Howard is trying to do but I don't really don't know enough about the affect the new work place laws will have on unions to deliver support for members who are have been unfairly dismissed, as this seems to be there angle most of the time on TV ads. Does anyone know how this would be affected?

Under the liberal party reforms, unemployment has dropped to under 5%. The lower the cost on business, the higher the employment. As I have said, it is a fine line between deregulating the labour market, and protecting vunerable workers.

At the end of the day, the unions have a greater vested interest in not having the new rules introduced. If it were up to the unions, we would still be operating in the 1970s.

[Hawk0373]

Bracks' secret is simple, dont do anything whilst the state is in good nick. Pretty easy when your'e a muppet that rides the wave of a strong economy, built by the Liberals. The sh*t will hit the fan eventually and this complete amateur will be exposed once and for all.

just my opinion of course.;)

[Hugshawks]

Greens for me. ALP and Liberals have no idea whats going on- especially the ALP at the moment. May as well throw my vote at some hippies, least we won't be getting into any more wars with them.

[Cynic]

Steve Waugh for PM imo.

[Buddylicious]

Let Bracks stay in another 2 terms...it'll be great when he actually has to come up with something created by his own government, victoria can once again be a laughing stock

[Hawk Dork]

The more psychotic the voter, the more likely they are to vote for Bush, study
Front page / Science / Technologies and discoveries
30.11.2006 Source:


Christopher Lohse, a social work master’s student at Southern Connecticut State University, says he has proven what many progressives have probably suspected for years: a direct link between mental illness and support for President Bush.



The more psychotic the voter, the more likely they are to vote for Bush


Lohse's study, backed by SCSU Psychology professor Jaak Rakfeldt and statistician Misty Ginacola, found a correlation between the severity of a person's psychosis and their preferences for president: the more psychotic the voter, the more likely they were to vote for Bush.

The study began in part as an advocacy project "designed to register mentally ill voters and encourage them" to vote, while assessing "knowledge of current issues, government and politics." The Bush trend emerged in the course of the study, according to Lohse, who describes himself as a "Reagan revolution fanatic" who nonetheless finds Bush "beyond the pale."

During the course of the study, it emerged that "Bush supporters has significantly less knowledge about current issues, government and politics than those who supported Kerry," and that greater levels of psychosis predicted Bush support.

"Our study shows that psychotic patients prefer an authoritative leader," Lohse says. "If your world is very mixed up, there's something very comforting about someone telling you, 'This is how it's going to be'."
None of this is actually new information. That Labour voters tend to be much better informed as a group and tend to reject authoritarianism is well documented, from both the chicken came first angle and the egg came first angle. But it's nonetheless amusing to have further evidence that the people constantly calling progressives unhinged lunatics are, you know, way more likely to be nutzoid than the targets of their gleeful finger-pointing.

Via Tom Tomorrow, who dryly notes: "Anyone who's spent any time reading right wing blogs already understood this to be true." Indeed.

Source: This Modern World

[RustyHawk]

As far as Im concerned there is no Red for Labour, Blue for Libs, Green for...Greens, Yellow for FF & Nats -- there is only Brown and Gold.

Shame on you Gary for bringing such a potentially divisive issue to the Board.

I like to lead by example by talking about such warm and cuddly issues like is there really a God? :D

[Hawk Dork]

Shame on you Gary for bringing such a potentially divisive issue to the Board.
Would that also be shame on Hawthorn for bringing up such a potentialy divisive President to our Board
I like to lead by example by talking about such warm and cuddly issues like is there really a God? :D
Shouldnt it be my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend and lets see who has the most money to spend on weapons to prove it?

[MHDKA]

Would that also be shame on Hawthorn for bringing up such a potentialy divisive President to our Board



I don't think I've ever heard Kennett make a political comment in his role as president.

I actually think he is doing a good job & he obviously doesn't (unlike you) have issues with working with people with other political persuasions.

[Hawk Dork]

I don't think I've ever heard Kennett make a political comment in his role as president.

I actually think he is doing a good job & he obviously doesn't (unlike you) have issues with working with people with other political persuasions.
I will think you will find he is still avery political animal


Likewise his support for political mentor Jeff Kennett has been an issue of ongoing difficulty. The election campaign showed Labor believed Kennett was a political millstone around the necks of Baillieu and the Liberals. Despite the Kennett government having surrendered a 13-seat majority to Bracks' Labor Party in 1999, Baillieu appeared not to believe Kennett remained electorally unpopular.

Baillieu was even taking advice from Kennett on how to defeat Bracks.

It was revealed, leading into the campaign, that Kennett was Baillieu's "sounding board" for ideas, and during the election debate Baillieu refused to acknowledge that the Kennett government had made mistakes, a position bordering on irrational.

No government, anywhere in the world, could put its hand on its heart and say it had never made a mistake.

Loyalty and friendship are valuable personal attributes, and no one can doubt Baillieu's friendship with Kennett, but it is time Baillieu acknowledged that not everything the former Liberal premier touched turned to gold.

One error the Liberal Party could stand accused of is learning little from history.

[MHDKA]

I will think you will find he is still avery political animal




Please don't misquote me - What I said was :

I don't think I've ever heard Kennett make a political comment in his role as president.

What he does outside his role as president of HFC is a different thing and totally irrelevant.

It's interesting his background hasn't hindered his ability to negotiate a very lucrative deal for the club with the Tasmanian Labor Premier.

[frankc]

Please don't misquote me - What I said was :

I don't think I've ever heard Kennett make a political comment in his role as president.

What he does outside his role as president of HFC is a different thing and totally irrelevant.

It's interesting his background hasn't hindered his ability to negotiate a very lucrative deal for the club with the Tasmanian Labor Premier.

Great point MHDKA. People are quick to play the 'he'll always be a politician tag' but he has been nothing but professional in his execution of his duties with the HFC.

If I'm not mistake, the President is an honourary position and as such, Jeff doesn't get paid. He gives his time for no financial reward (when he can quite easily devote his time to other endevours from which he will derive compensation).

He has been able to negotiate a five year multi-million dollar sponsorship with a person of the opposite politican persuasion and who follows a different club. In addition, HSBC have been maintained as a sponsor despite being 'demoted' and not being naming rights sponsor.

These are not the actions of a person who is a bull in a china shop, but someone who is able to deal with people and issues, that on the surface appear difficult for others the deal with.

Go Hawks and Go jeff.

[Hawk Dork]

Please don't misquote me - What I said was :

I don't think I've ever heard Kennett make a political comment in his role as president.

What he does outside his role as president of HFC is a different thing and totally irrelevant..
Was he speaking as President or Politician when he was deciding wether to run or not run for leader of the state Libs?

It's interesting his background hasn't hindered his ability to negotiate a very lucrative deal for the club with the Tasmanian Labor Premier.
No one else had anyhting to do with it? and Saints pulling out made it a very eager buyer.How many other teams would risk upsetting members by playing 4 games interstate espeacially when there team is on the brink of finals sucess and membership growth.The success or failure of the Tassie deal will be for the people to judge in the future.
I wasnt misquoting you but you appear to be mis understanding my point (based on your political bias no doubt) Refer to the quote that originally sent you off.
It is a shame that such a divisive man was put in charge of our great football club .
These backward and forward arguments would disappear if the board had the foresight not to make such a divisive ex/current politician our president.It does HFC no good at all.

[frankc]

It is a shame that such a divisive man was put in charge of our great football club .
These backward and forward arguments would disappear if the board had the foresight not to make such a divisive ex/current politician our president.

How is he divisive? The only reason these 'backward-forward' arguments occur is because people have different views on issues - this has got nothing to do with Jeff. In other words, every time we have debate on an issue, if that issue was caused by a person, we should kick him/her out of the club.

You think Jeff has not been good for the club, I disagree.

Also, Jeff is a president; a figure head. He can't make decisions on his own. The Tasmania deal, and any sponsorship deal for that matter, has to be sanctioned by the board acting in unison.

At the end of the day, people should judge Kennett on what the man has done. It appears that some people just simply don't like the man and irrespective of what he did, criticisms would be made.

All I can say if people think they can do a better job, run for president.

I personally have never been more happy with how the club is run off the field. For the first time, I can see what they are doing, and the eventual benefit. The club has taken a long-term view. They have built a plan, and are methodically going about executing that plan.

As I have said, I'll be able to go and see 11 games in melbourne. The fact that we have a $15million sponorship over five years which doesn't impinge on this is a bonus.

[kolchak]

FFS, politics are a bad topic...

What about the other stuff Jeff still does before he became president, like beyond blue.

I don't think he ever seriously contemplated runnning for the state again. Sure he got asked by his old party and he did them the courtesy of talking to them, probably to tell them that he doesn't want to be involved in party business. Hawk Dork, Franc is just defending our president and it has nothing to do with political allegence, so Gary do us a favour and keep your political leanings out as well, a mod should be more diplomatic.

[GALON]

The day Steve Bracks is PM is the same day I pack up and move to Afghanistan.

[Hawk0373]

Bracks' secret is simple, dont do anything whilst the state is in good nick. Pretty easy when your'e a muppet that rides the wave of a strong economy, built by the Liberals. The sh*t will hit the fan eventually and this complete amateur will be exposed once and for all.

just my opinion of course.;)

Well the sh*t has certainly hit the fan.:D

[kolchak]

This thread was around when Beazly was leader, both gone now.

[Rexcellent]

The day Steve Bracks is PM is the same day I pack up and move to Afghanistan.

haha, bracksy left because he couldnt admit he was wrong over water issues, lucky his son was such an idiot recently so he could leave on the basis of "family related issues"

[GALON]

Thanks for nothing Steve, you insipid puppet.