View Full Version : Tigers Vs Crows
Kane McGoodwin
4 Mar 2002, 21:31
How do you like the Tiger's chances this week with the home (state) ground advantage & 5 day vs 7 day break?
With Gasper out is Holland likely to return? Also, where is Greg Stafford, as I reckon you need Ottens playing up forward?
How do you see the midfield match-ups on McLeod, Riccuito, Goodwin, Johnson, Burton, Edwards, Bode, Doughty, etc?
Can't wait until Friday night. Should be a great game.
I think the result has more to do with how each team is placed in terms of preparation. Both Adelaide and Port Adelaide seemed to be flying from the first bounce of the first week while we didn't show anything until after half time against West Coast.
Ben Holland is reported to have recovered from his hammy and will come in for Gaspar. Scott Homewood, who played his first "senior" game last week, and did quite well will retain his spot. Andrew Kellaway will be the 3rd tall defender.
I don't think Beinke will quite have it all his way this week!
You can bet that Sziller will tag someone - probably Riccutio or Goodwin - while King would probably go with McLeod.
Aside from that, players will just run with each other with no real tagging going on.
From the Adelaide perspective, I think they will look at assigning tags to Bowden and Knights.
I would much prefer to see no tags and to have players just go against each other, one on one. There is no point trying to tag the opposition out of existence as it leaves no-one to kick the ball to your own forwards (which is the objective of the game!).
damnfine
5 Mar 2002, 08:31
Apparantley Royce Vardy will be availible for selection so that is another tall option for us. Expect Hilton to come in and possibly Fiora so we should be clearly stronger this week if Dutchy does return. Will be interesting match , you beat us over here the last few times but both games we were out of form so im not sure if we struggle to match up on adelaide or u just caught us on a bad day.
Kane McGoodwin
5 Mar 2002, 15:37
Always rated Bowden as a gun, so I reckon he is your main midfield danger (Stenglein may get the job here). Don't reckon the Crows' hierachy we would be too concerned about the rest & will back Roo, McLeod, Goodwin, Johnson & Co. to win more than their fair share of the ball over Campbell, Knights, Sziller, King & Co. I like the way we tend to match up on the Tigers, as the Crows have usually had the midfield acendency. However, having said that Ottens could give you an advantage over Clarke - but that would rob your forward line.
Sounds like you have some players returning, so it should be a good game. I can't see any side taking it lightly now they have reached the semis. Bring on Friday.
rfctigerarmy
5 Mar 2002, 17:46
Kane, i dunno bout that. I think its more likely the Tigers to take it lightly as they have more hurt players at the moment and i dont think that some clubs take the "Wizards Home Lones Cup" seriously.
I guess you should be made aware, Kane, that Richmond have never usually treated this pre-season competition seriously. Aside from '93 when we somehow fluked our way into the Grand Final we have never progressed beyond the1st round.
In that 3 years of the round robin comp, we have only won 4 our of our 9 games (0,2,2).
Even this year, I've noticed a lot of experimentation with our positioning. I mean, Brad Otten played nearly a half against Geelong as a Centre Half Back while Ray Hall played at Full Back against Carlton. Even Richo and Krakouer have been found at times in defence and this will never ever happen once the real stuff starts. All these players will be found forward.
Danny has also being giving ground time to all our our "next generation" of players like Pettifer, Krakouer, Rodan, Homewood, Hyde, Poyas and Newman. Undoubtedly these guys will get some senior time this year but none are considered in the top 22 yet.
I guess you should be made aware, Kane, that Richmond have never usually treated this pre-season competition seriously. Aside from '93 when we somehow fluked our way into the Grand Final we have never progressed beyond the1st round.
In that 3 years of the round robin comp, we have only won 4 our of our 9 games (0,2,2).
Even this year, I've noticed a lot of experimentation with our positioning. I mean, Brad Otten played nearly a half against Geelong as a Centre Half Back while Ray Hall played at Full Back against Carlton. Even Richo and Krakouer have been found at times in defence and this will never ever happen once the real stuff starts. All these players will be found forward.
Danny has also being giving ground time to all our our "next generation" of players like Pettifer, Krakouer, Rodan, Homewood, Hyde, Poyas. Undoubtedly these guys will get some senior time this year but none are considered in the top 22 yet.
Are you saying the tiges will take the game lightly?
Not if I know Danny Frawley...
Hope Krakka has half of Jimmys talent?:(
I reckon Duncan Kellaway should tag McLeod :D .....if only he were playing. Sziller will do.
I don't think either team will go in to the match as if it were a premiership match, but they'll still be 100% committed to victory. The Tigers have obviously been experimenting a bit and while we've stated our desire to win, we've also tried out a few new things, given some young guys a go.
The Tiges may be undermanned but they still have enough talent there and I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled off a convincing victory. :)
tiger of old
6 Mar 2002, 07:33
Originally posted by topjars
Are you saying the tiges will take the game lightly?
Not if I know Danny Frawley...
Hope Krakka has half of Jimmys talent?:(
in the lead up rounds id say danny was half serious like most clubs really.all sides at this time of the year give the 2nd yr players more game time and the 1st yr players a bit of a taste of senior football.
however starting this week i believe all the remaining sides will play at their best and despite it being only a pre season cup there is nothing better for a side to give his young charges a chance to play in a GF just for the expeirence factor alone.
hope? young krakour has already shown he has at the very least half the talent as his dad.
cheers!
Originally posted by topjars
Are you saying the tiges will take the game lightly?
Not if I know Danny Frawley...
Hope Krakka has half of Jimmys talent?:(
I'm not saying we will take the game lightly, just that we have done so for the past 3 weeks. I guess we will find out on Friday night when we will see if there still is any experimentation going on.
rfctigerarmy
6 Mar 2002, 17:45
I think that there will be.. Rodan will play Peittefer, Poyas etc they will all play i think. Not saying that there not classy players
Re: Re: Very Long Season Preview
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Originally posted by Blues2001
Can't agree here. There is absolutely no conceivable way one can say that Richmond and Sydney are CERTAIN finalists.
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Agree. Richmond still posses the most frightened group of midfielders in the comp. Their superstars forward and back save them. To say they can win the flag is crazy talk.
Grabbed this from another post. Any truth in this? Theyll be tested this week! :D
Originally posted by topjars
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Agree. Richmond still posses the most frightened group of midfielders in the comp. Their superstars forward and back save them.
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Grabbed this from another post. Any truth in this? Theyll be tested this week! :D
And I suppose the ball kicks itself down to the forward line?
Tigerheart
7 Mar 2002, 14:29
Richmond might not have a great start...again but we'll come back. We Just have to watch adelaides toe...
Mcleod is dangerous...Spud'll unleash sziller for that one..
Don't underestimate the tigers...you crows. That midfield isn't frightened of anything.
in; hilton...holland...fiora
out : gaspar, dragga, ? :confused:
Its not over til its over.
Your talls will only pose problems if we dont get on top of the midfield.
Ill bet Ottens likes this new rule change in the centre.
Gasper Out.....shEEZ THAT HURT
damnfine
7 Mar 2002, 18:59
Holland is out and the most famous drink driver in the afl is in...
So Homewood , AK and Vardy down back. Doesn't inspire confidence..then again adelaides forwards inspire even less fear...
Tough game but one we should win really..
Originally posted by damnfine
Holland is out and the most famous drink driver in the afl is in...
So Homewood , AK and Vardy down back. Doesn't inspire confidence..then again adelaides forwards inspire even less fear...
Tough game but one we should win really..
I agree, you really should win...you made a preliminary final last year while we only just scraped into the final 8.
Even with a couple of key omissions (that won't have that much of an impact considering our forward line), you still have a very strong side, you have 2 extra days break on us and you're also playing at home. It sounds as if you'll take this game seriously and if you're the top 4 side that you claim to be, you should run away easy victors. :)
damnfine
7 Mar 2002, 19:22
Originally posted by ant
I agree, you really should win...you made a preliminary final last year while we only just scraped into the final 8.
Even with a couple of key omissions (that won't have that much of an impact considering our forward line), you still have a very strong side, you have 2 extra days break on us and you're also playing at home. It sounds as if you'll take this game seriously and if you're the top 4 side that you claim to be, you should run away easy victors. :)
Hmmmm now i think about it the crows should win by a mile...we have no hope!!!We will be doing well to get within 5 goals of your mob...
No way we can compete with your midfield...
Hopefully that will do the trick
:D
ok.crows
8 Mar 2002, 02:17
Originally posted by damnfine
Hmmmm now i think about it the crows should win by a mile...we have no hope!!!We will be doing well to get within 5 goals of your mob...
No way we can compete with your midfield...
Hopefully that will do the trick
:D
Hey, you can't do that!!!
That is ant's trick!!!!
Get your own trick!
Tigerheart
8 Mar 2002, 09:11
torney.....vardy.......a.kellaway
cameron..homewood...zantuck
bowden...knights...tivendale
pettifer...hall..........fiora
krakeour...richo...hilton
ottens...campbell...king
i/c : rodan, newman, sziller, rogers
emerg : hudson, mills, hart, hyde.
Adelaide have superior pace...but we can pass the ball faster than they can run
:)
Go tigers...fight and fight and win.
Originally posted by damnfine
Hmmmm now i think about it the crows should win by a mile...we have no hope!!!We will be doing well to get within 5 goals of your mob...
No way we can compete with your midfield...
Hopefully that will do the trick
:D
I'm sorry damnfire but you already posted your view that Richmond should really win this one and you can't take that back now :p Fair enough anyway, the Tiges should romp it in, but I am hoping at least for a reasonable contest from our boys....to offset at least a little the disturbing memories of our last finals visit.
Cheers crows.ok as well :)
damnfine
8 Mar 2002, 11:11
Originally posted by ant
I'm sorry damnfire but you already posted your view that Richmond should really win this one and you can't take that back now :p Fair enough anyway, the Tiges should romp it in, but I am hoping at least for a reasonable contest from our boys....to offset at least a little the disturbing memories of our last finals visit.
Cheers crows.ok as well :)
oh well...i have it on good authority that the woofing gods are otherwise occupied at the moment so its all in vain:)
Well, looks like we were both right damnfine :)
Congratulations on the win and all the best for next week :)
damnfine
9 Mar 2002, 02:17
Originally posted by ant
Well, looks like we were both right damnfine :)
Congratulations on the win and all the best for next week :)
Thanks...:) same to the crows for 2002 ... you look set for another improving year...
rfctigerarmy
9 Mar 2002, 06:34
Richmond:
Well Done Tigers.. Top Stuff.
Bowden, Richardson, Hilton, Ottens, Knights, Houlahan, WHERE FANTASTIC. i think i may have missed afew.
Bowdens gotta be one of the Borwnlow contenders.
Crows:
You seem to be inproving. Better then last year. Good luck in 2K2
Originally posted by topjars
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Agree. Richmond still posses the most frightened group of midfielders in the comp. Their superstars forward and back save them. To say they can win the flag is crazy talk.
Grabbed this from another post. Any truth in this? Theyll be tested this week! :D
Yet again proven to be a complete crock of sh*t. Adelaide packed players around the ball, expecting to win a tough, in tight midfield battle without realising that this plays right into our hands.
If they had chosen to study our form properly they would note that Carlton also employ the same game plan and always lose to us. We do have players capable in tight and are prepared to grind the encounters out.
We it fails for the opposition is that we do have one of the best fleets of outside runners in the comp. With so many players stacked around the ball, when it does come out we have our quick players with unusual amounts of space which enables the ball to be pushed down to our dominant forward line on favourable terms.
Carlton are our bitches and if Adelaide keep this up, so will they!
Tigerheart
9 Mar 2002, 11:23
We it fails for the opposition is that we do have one of the best fleets of outside runners in the comp. With so many players stacked around the ball, when it does come out we have our quick players with unusual amounts of space which enables the ball to be pushed down to our dominant forward line on favourable terms.
hey CJH...I still have last years preliminary b/w us and the lions at the Gabba ( and the Essendon final )burned into my memory.
Q. 1 :- Can we mix it this time around ?
Q.2 :- Will Spud stick with the kids through the H and A season....krakeour must be in our best 18 now ?
Agree on Carlton ...we bitch slap them and call 'em Susan.
it would be nice to win the Wizard cup wouldn't it ? :)
Originally posted by CJH
Yet again proven to be a complete crock of sh*t. Adelaide packed players around the ball, expecting to win a tough, in tight midfield battle without realising that this plays right into our hands.
If they had chosen to study our form properly they would note that Carlton also employ the same game plan and always lose to us. We do have players capable in tight and are prepared to grind the encounters out.
We it fails for the opposition is that we do have one of the best fleets of outside runners in the comp. With so many players stacked around the ball, when it does come out we have our quick players with unusual amounts of space which enables the ball to be pushed down to our dominant forward line on favourable terms.
Carlton are our bitches and if Adelaide keep this up, so will they!
Goodluck next week Tigers.
Pull the plug on the ferals.
Adelaide? Back down to earth. This wont hurt them at all.
:cool:
Blues2001
9 Mar 2002, 13:41
Originally posted by CJH
Yet again proven to be a complete crock of sh*t. Adelaide packed players around the ball, expecting to win a tough, in tight midfield battle without realising that this plays right into our hands.
If they had chosen to study our form properly they would note that Carlton also employ the same game plan and always lose to us. We do have players capable in tight and are prepared to grind the encounters out.
We it fails for the opposition is that we do have one of the best fleets of outside runners in the comp. With so many players stacked around the ball, when it does come out we have our quick players with unusual amounts of space which enables the ball to be pushed down to our dominant forward line on favourable terms.
Carlton are our bitches and if Adelaide keep this up, so will they!
Carlton Richmond's bitches? Yeah, you beat us twice last year but what happened the year before (51 and 73 pt losses). You can't count the Harry Potter cup if that's what you are doing.
:p :p :p :p
I put absolutely no stock in the results of the Wizard Cup matches as sides rarely line up in their best configurations!
As for Carlton, well we have outplayed you at your own game on the last two occasions with exactly the same game plan. Carlton better come up with something different else it will be number 3.
With no Koutofides or Silvagni means that task will be so much harder!
And finally, if I so choose to call Carlton our bitch on my board, I will do so! :p :D
Blues2001
9 Mar 2002, 17:39
Originally posted by CJH
:p :p :p :p
I put absolutely no stock in the results of the Wizard Cup matches as sides rarely line up in their best configurations!
As for Carlton, well we have outplayed you at your own game on the last two occasions with exactly the same game plan. Carlton better come up with something different else it will be number 3.
With no Koutofides or Silvagni means that task will be so much harder!
And finally, if I so choose to call Carlton our bitch on my board, I will do so! :p :D
LOL! I didn't even know this was your board - I did a search for my name in posts (to take me to the posts that I had previously participated in) and my name came up in this one. Turns out Topjars had taken something out of a thread from the main board (still doesn't mean you can call us your bitches, even on your own board;) )
Yes, we need to come up with something different next time. The two Carlton v Richmond matches last year were weird to say the least. Surprisingly, we did exactly what we had to do in both with regards to the tall timber (Ottens and Richo weren't the reason you won either game) but lost it by giving your running players a picnic. Sh*tful disposal on our behalf didn't help matters but that's nothing new. I think a totally new approach will do us good. Who knows what that is, I'll leave it up to Britts :D
Originally posted by CJH
Carlton are our bitches and if Adelaide keep this up, so will they!
I don't think one win in a Wizard Cup match makes us your bitches.....take a look at past results in premiership matches...
In our match last year at the MCG I think we played a similar, tight, close in game, and managed to kick 9 straight in the third quarter on the way to a 28 point win. We got the first kick out of the pack and burst out into our running game. Roo had Bowden and Tivendale running scared. There's nothing wrong with this gameplan against the Tigers, we simply didn't execute well enough and the Tigers made some nice adjustments, as well as performing to a higher level. More often than not, it was the Tiges who got that first kick out too.
Ant, I must point out that that was our most pathetic performance for the year. That was the game that I stormed out of the ground in such a rage that I left my laptop lying under my seat!
Also, I did not say that Adelaide are our bitches - well, not yet anyway! It is, however, my observation that if you do persist with that gameplan you will be - last years result not withstanding!
Originally posted by CJH
Ant, I must point out that that was our most pathetic performance for the year. That was the game that I stormed out of the ground in such a rage that I left my laptop lying under my seat!
Also, I did not say that Adelaide are our bitches - well, not yet anyway! It is, however, my observation that if you do persist with that gameplan you will be - last years result not withstanding!
CJH, what about the season before last year, was that another aberration??
Quite simply, your performance against us in Round 9 was poor, as was ours last Friday night, it was most disappointing.
I'd back my boys to beat your guys anytime with the very same gameplan we employed last Friday. It's the same way we generally play our footy and has been reasonably successful in the past against the Tigers and other clubs. You were too good a few days ago but our loss had more to do with your performance (Ottens and Richo superb) than any mistake in our gameplan.
I guess we'll find out in Round 6 (??) :)
Originally posted by ant
CJH, what about the season before last year, was that another aberration??
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The season before last? ... at Colonial Stadium? I think you won that by 9 points from memory? It was tough and tight for the whole game... you got a break of a few goals... we clawed it back, would have gone about 8 points up ourselve if Dragacevic would have kicked a gimme... he missed and you got a few kick goals to get you nose in front at the end.
I think those are the only wins you've had against us since that fateful day in 1997 where you thumped us by 130+ points which earnt Robert Walls the sack!
With your current game plan, ant, you will always struggle to beat us! Why?
By crowding numbers around the ball, you are attempting to use the might of your most exceptional midfield unit - and it is is a very good one.
The problem though is that the job of the midfield is to ultimately kick the ball down to the forwards and, quite frankly, you don't have a forward line.
Now, you could mount a case about Fitzgerald coming back in but he has been around football for a long time without showing much and at any rate, we could also point out that we were missing Gaspar and Holland and were playing our B-team defence!
Watching the game again - I've got Foxtel and have seen it replayed 3 times now :D - I noted that statistically, both sides went forward approximately the same times (Inside 50's - very important stat) which means that the respective midfields roughly broke even.
The difference is that we had no end of targets to aim at up forward while you had at best Daniel Schell who struggle once Vardy picked him up.
What does it matter that it was a tight game?? If I recall, and as you pointed out, we lead by about 4 goals early in the last quarter of that 2000 game, you hit back to take the lead before we kicked the last couple for the win.
You could also say that your win in 99 or 98 at Footy Park were tight, close contests, I think 19 and 9 points were the margins. Would you say you struggled to beat us on those 2 occasions with this fantastic game plan of yours??
I'd say overall, that it's relatively even over the past 4 years, and nothing has shown me that this gameplan we employed against Richmond was the cause of our downfall. You can't take too much out of a preseason game when we've beaten you the last two times we've played you in the Premiership season. One loss in the Wizard Cup and all of a sudden it's our gameplan against the Tigers that is at fault?? Then why we have beaten you in recent times in Melbourne?? The same could be easily said of the Tigers I presume....but of course, you won last Friday night ;)
I understand what you're saying, but it's the gameplan we regularly employ, though not to great effect last week. Frankly, if anything, the problem is not our gameplan, but our forward line, as you noted. But by packing the midfield, we usually get the first kick away, and get the ball quickly into our forward line, and from there we use skill to get it through the big sticks. It didn't work quite as well because you got more than your fair share of ball and you used it better. Plus you had Richo and Ottens. We did not. On a better night, I can see us getting a greater degree of control through the midfield, with our gameplan in place, and starving your forwards of opportunity. This did not occur last Friday because your team played VERY WELL!! Our gameplan had nothing to do with it :)