View Full Version : Penesar v Giles
silver1
30 Nov 2006, 09:17
Monty should play, if he does i think he'll get 5+ wickets in the first innings at the WACA.
spanna050
30 Nov 2006, 09:29
No contest in my eyes - Monty can spin the ball. Absolutely no doubt he would trouble the Aussies more than Giles.
Look, i don't care who they pick, neither will be returning better figures than 60 runs per wicket.
May aswell go with Giles, he's a slightly better crap fieldsman, and can make 10 runs more.
You obviously haven't seen Monty bowl have you?
I really think Giles is the sort of bowler who would annoy the Aussies. They like scoring runs freely which is something the wheely bins style does not permit them to do without risk.
silver1
30 Nov 2006, 12:04
5+ wickets mark my words, We'll see.
Yes, got murdered against South Australia and New South Wales.
Might be able to get a few cheap tail-end wickets to make his figures look better than they should be, having said that i can't see him getting out McGrath or Clark. 60 runs or more per wicket at best.
As an Aussie supporter I hope you are right.
If they play him on a spinning track I suspect his average will be much less than 60. He bowled very well in UK this year, and would have been very dangerous at GABBA.
If Pieterson could get the amount of spin and bounce he did then Monty would have been very dangerous. Adelaide Oval may play a bit differently, and the short boundaries may not help either, especially spinning into Hayden, Hussey and Gilly.
silver1
30 Nov 2006, 12:43
They went for Giles to strengthen their batting because the best they can hope for is to salvage a draw which requires a lot of crease occupation, big mistake.
Like i said 5+ wickets first innings at the WACA, laugh at me now, we'll see.
Monty has taken 32 wickets in 10 tests at 32 so far.
These tests were against India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. I'd argue that these sides are the best players of spin, so to do what he has done proves he knows what he is doing.
He was a real handful against SL and Pak this northern summer. If a team was to take him apart it would be them, fantastic players of spin bowling.
Typical of most Aussies though to dismiss someone like Monty as crap... be interesting to see how he goes if selected.
Totally agree on Giles though... the guy is a dud and liability.
Cooldude
30 Nov 2006, 13:36
Is that even a contest?
One bloke's the best left arm spinner in the world and the other's one of the worst to have ever played Test cricket
the_mighty_pies_3733
30 Nov 2006, 15:11
Yes, got murdered against South Australia and New South Wales.
Might be able to get a few cheap tail-end wickets to make his figures look better than they should be, having said that i can't see him getting out McGrath or Clark. 60 runs or more per wicket at best.
Are you joking? Panesar was running rings around Younis, Inzamam and Yousuf, three of the best batsmen in the world, and averaging 25 while bowling throughout most of the innings down one end and shouldering a Flintoff-less bowling attack in his 5th test.
And he hardly got murdured against NSW and SA he went for about 3 an over. Granted he didnt get many wickets but he will keep it as tidy as anyone and his batting is probably better than Anderson who should be getting dropped for Adelaide.
Squizza
30 Nov 2006, 18:43
Is that even a contest?
One bloke's the best left arm spinner in the world and the other's one of the worst to have ever played Test cricket
Best left arm spinner in the world? Gee best left arm spinner in the world after only 10 games. Tell ya what, I'd take Vettori over Panesar every day of the week and twice Sunday.
Penesar will not do anything against this batting lineup, look how strong it is.
He's played what 8 or 9 Tests against India, SL & Pakistan.
Amongst his 30 odd wickets he's got out Tendulkar, Dravid, Sangakarar, Inzamum, Mohammed Yousef, Younis Khan & whatsissname from SL who plays spin well.Most of them more than once.
And to be fair not on the most spin condusive pitches in the world most of the time.
He may crap his pants if he plays this Test & perform badly (I doubt it though) but he's definitely shown that he has a lot more to offer than keeping it tight & beating up the tail.
And although his fileding is craphouse I reckon over time he'll show himself to be a better batsman than Anderson, Hoggard etc & actually chip in with a few runs.
Are you joking? Panesar was running rings around Younis, Inzamam and Yousuf, three of the best batsmen in the world, and averaging 25 while bowling throughout most of the innings down one end and shouldering a Flintoff-less bowling attack in his 5th test.
And he hardly got murdured against NSW and SA he went for about 3 an over. Granted he didnt get many wickets but he will keep it as tidy as anyone and his batting is probably better than Anderson who should be getting dropped for Adelaide.
Yousef? Yousef dominated the England bowling attack including Penesar.
Yes, he went for about 3 an over but went for plenty.
Cooldude
1 Dec 2006, 11:39
Best left arm spinner in the world? Gee best left arm spinner in the world after only 10 games. Tell ya what, I'd take Vettori over Panesar every day of the week and twice Sunday.
He's better than Vettori, that's saying a lot coz I'm a massive fan of Vettori's bowling
I really think Giles is the sort of bowler who would annoy the Aussies. They like scoring runs freely which is something the wheely bins style does not permit them to do without risk.
Giles averaged 50 with the ball last ashes series
i don't think they are disapointed Giles is getting a game ahead of Monty
rooboy_88
3 Dec 2006, 18:14
To pick Giles because he is a better batter is a disgrace.
Surely those extra 20 runs dont outweigh the possibilities of Panesar generating wickets.
and they say Panesar can't field.
Grimwood
3 Dec 2006, 19:33
Yousef? Yousef dominated the England bowling attack including Penesar.
Yousuf was brilliant throughout most of the series, but the one one bowler he did struggle against from time to time? Monty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f38KhOoHT0I
Come back Mons! :'( :'(
Ricketts
3 Dec 2006, 20:15
This Monty guy must be pretty crap if Gilo is keeping him out of the side.
i_hate_scams
3 Dec 2006, 20:49
Giles is picked infront of Monty?
Anderson picked ahead of Mahmood?
Is Duncan on the ACB's payroll?
Bartram_Class
3 Dec 2006, 20:50
Giles is picked infront of Monty?
Anderson picked ahead of Mahmood?
Is Duncan on the ACB's payroll?
If he is, hes earning every cent.
Cassius_Clay
4 Dec 2006, 10:35
No contest in my eyes - Monty can spin the ball. Absolutely no doubt he would trouble the Aussies more than Giles.
Didnt Giles do better than Monty in EVERY single tour match?
Cassius_Clay
4 Dec 2006, 10:35
This Monty guy must be pretty crap if Gilo is keeping him out of the side.
He's (Monty) already overrated :thumbsu:
RoosterLad
4 Dec 2006, 10:40
He's (Monty) already overrated :thumbsu:
I'd have to agree with that, he is getting talked up as if hes one of the greatest spinners of all time.
This Monty guy must be pretty crap if Gilo is keeping him out of the side.
Watch the youtube link above... then you'll see how stupid your statement is.
Cassius_Clay
4 Dec 2006, 11:10
Watch the youtube link above... then you'll see how stupid your statement is.
If he's so good why isnt he bowling right now?
If he's so good why isnt he bowling right now?
Because Fletcher is a moron and won't select him.
Get Boof in charge of the English team and he'll be playing.
Watch him play first before you comment... at least try to mask your ignorance ;).
Cassius_Clay
4 Dec 2006, 11:35
Because Fletcher is a moron
So you're saying you know more than Fletcher?
Coin_Toss
4 Dec 2006, 11:37
If he's so good why isnt he bowling right now?
I can answer that - Fletcher believes one way to beat Australia is a long batting line-up. We all know Giles is a much better bat than Monty.
Panesar can turn the ball and he's an attacking bowler.
We (Aussies) aren't frightened of Giles, who had a dismal record in the 2005 Ashes - 10 wickets in 5 Tests at an average of 58.
Big John
4 Dec 2006, 11:55
I think Giles should be played caus he's a better fielder, saves a few runs and won't drop anything ;)
And coin toss, many Gilo fans count last ashes as a success, as he dismissed every Australian top order batter, they manage to dismiss the number of total wickets or runs he went for.
So you're saying you know more than Fletcher?
I'm saying he is wrong.
Some people are saying Giles dropped the Ashes.
At least Giles saved a couple of runs.
If that was Penasar it would have gone for four.
i_hate_scams
4 Dec 2006, 17:21
monty should at least be in before anderson. Anderson is dangerous when he swings it, and without it, is completely useless.
Giles is a joke. Most pathetic bowler I have ever watched live. Doesnt spin it, his strike rate is a disgrace for the supposed best spin bowler in an international side.
silver1
10 Dec 2006, 21:30
v WA
Panesar 1/69
Giles 0/33
Means nothing it's a diferent game test cricket.
Giles is rubbish, Monty has talent.
silver1
10 Dec 2006, 21:36
Some people are saying Giles dropped the Ashes.
At least Giles saved a couple of runs.
If that was Penasar it would have gone for four.
lol, true. Monty's a shocker in the field, where do you hide him?
They should change the bowling captions for Giles to "Slow left arm"
v WA
Panesar 1/69
Giles 0/33
See what i'm talking about.
It doesn't matter who they play makes no difference, neither will make an impact.
Giles is the better bat so may aswell play him.
Reports were that Monty bowled beautifully. Had a mate that went in WA and said he cannot believe how they play Giles ahead of him. I understand the batting depth argument, but after seeing how ineffective wheelie bin was in SA Monty has gotta play.
Got to remember that he bowled on a first day pitch. What were Warne's figures first day of second test?
silver1
10 Dec 2006, 21:41
Reports were that Monty bowled beautifully. Had a mate that went in WA and said he cannot believe how they play Giles ahead of him. I understand the batting depth argument, but after seeing how ineffective wheelie bin was in SA Monty has gotta play.
Got to remember that he bowled on a first day pitch. What were Warne's figures first day of second test?
One last time he will take wickets at the WACA.
Who will he get?
Langer and Symonds if he plays.
Gilly will probably get caught bat-pad.
Lee maybe LBW.. we'll see.
5+ i tell you, wait and see, one of us will be right.
I don't know, he aint' no Warnie, that's for sure.
A domestic tour average better than 70 would have helped.
What will he return against the Aus test team 1/100+?
FFS Cam White is a better spinner than Giles...
Monty would have been a handful on days 3,4,5 in Adelaide.
Don't know what the Perth curator will dish up... apparently trying to liven it up a bit from the roads prepared in PC this season.