View Full Version : The "new" push in the back rule!
Corpuscles
1 Dec 2006, 19:23
I actually agree with this, but many won't.
I think it is potentially very damaging to Swans as we have many who use the hold with outstreched hands to hold opponent under the fall of the ball
There are main board threads going mad, but an opportuntity to discuss from our club perspective.... what do you think can they adjust quick enough?
natlovestheswans
1 Dec 2006, 19:41
You say you agree with it, yet you think it is potentially very damaging to the Swans?
Why would you agree with it then?
Joke of a rule. For once i actually agree with Mick Malthouse. There is far too much tampering going on with the game to my liking.
Only when the season starts will I be able to make up my mind about this rule. That way, I can see how it has affected our game plan...
natlovestheswans
1 Dec 2006, 20:23
It's going to be very interesting seeing this working..
"As soon as a player puts his hands in the back of an opponent in a marking contest, the umpire shall award a free kick" - Adrian Anderson
Hm..
thegossip
1 Dec 2006, 21:39
of what i understand its not a rule its only a interpretation? Which i think makes it worse anway. Its hard enough for backline players anyway without no contact from behind, also can see alot more forwards playing for frees. We are trying to stop flooding this rule will bring it back more, as without being able to outbody a player the only other way of stopping a player will be to take his space. Rule changes have to be for the good of the game this is not. I think leo barry will hate this rule.
SWANNIES RULE
1 Dec 2006, 21:58
This rule is just another step in the wrong direction, another step towards making our game like netball.
Terrible.
natlovestheswans
2 Dec 2006, 08:49
of what i understand its not a rule its only a interpretation? Which i think makes it worse anway. Its hard enough for backline players anyway without no contact from behind, also can see alot more forwards playing for frees. We are trying to stop flooding this rule will bring it back more, as without being able to outbody a player the only other way of stopping a player will be to take his space. Rule changes have to be for the good of the game this is not. I think leo barry will hate this rule.
I think everyone will hate it.
.. and yes, you're right. Instead of kicking it to a contest it will probably just lead to more chipping it around.
SWANNIES RULE
2 Dec 2006, 09:26
Like most forwards in the comp, Bazza puts his hands in the backs of defenders, not to push them, but to stop them for moving backwards. He can't do that anymore, which will hurt his game.
natlovestheswans
2 Dec 2006, 09:33
Like most forwards in the comp, Bazza puts his hands in the backs of defenders, not to push them, but to stop them for moving backwards. He can't do that anymore, which will hurt his game.
Exactly, just because the hands are on the back doesn't mean that the person is getting pushed.
Corpuscles
2 Dec 2006, 09:41
This rule is just another step in the wrong direction, another step towards making our game like netball.
Terrible.
You say you agree with it, yet you think it is potentially very damaging to the Swans?
Why would you agree with it then?
The reasons for support are best explained probably by poster Chewy
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285867
Basically because I consider that it will return a more spectacular high and skill contested marking, make umpiring a little clearer etc
This was the way football was played for nearly 100 years prior to the mid 1980's
However I feel sorry for newcomers or younger fans who cannot remember what the game was like when this rule was applied.
I also feel sorry for the younger players who have learnt their footy withoutthe application of this old rule
Yes I think several Swans are going to find adjustment difficult. I would also even go so far as to say Paul Roos was the best ever player to exploit holding opponent off with hands, so it will hurt coaching style as well but hopefully all for the good of the spectacle & skill of the game.
Roosey is a footy genius and hopefully SWans will have time to invent... plan B
Corpuscles
2 Dec 2006, 09:47
PS
I think Hall and O'Loughlin are good enough leading forwards for it not to bother them much.
It is our undersize defence that will struggle against very tall high marking forwards where I see the potential difficulty adjusting
natlovestheswans
2 Dec 2006, 09:47
The reasons for support are best explained probably by poster Chewy
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285867
Basically because I consider that it will return a more spectacular high and skill contested marking, make umpiring a little clearer etc
This was the way football was played for nearly 100 years prior to the mid 1980's
However I feel sorry for newcomers or younger fans who cannot remember what the game was like when this rule was applied.
I also feel sorry for the younger players who have learnt their footy withoutthe application of this old rule
Yes I think several Swans are going to find adjustment difficult. I would also even go so far as to say Paul Roos was the best ever player to exploit holding opponent off with hands, so it will hurt coaching style as well but hopefully all for the good of the spectacle & skill of the game.
Roosey is a footy genius and hopefully SWans will have time to invent... plan B
Then explain to me why you like if it's going to be damaging to the Swans? That's the part i'm struggling to see.
natlovestheswans
2 Dec 2006, 09:49
It is our undersize defence that will struggle against very tall high marking forwards where I see the potential difficulty adjusting
Then how the hell can you like it?
thegossip
2 Dec 2006, 09:57
Sorry this rule will not bring back high marking, unless the coaches tell the players its ok to kick to a 50/50 contest that is why high marking has been taken away from game. this rule will effect sides like sydney and bulldogs that have a small backline. will require as to block up more space so leading forwards have little space to lead. I beleive like what happened last year season with knocking the arms interpretation will last afew weeks and then will be throwen out the window.
There will be more chipping around the football this year...
I don't think it will impact on the Swans any harder than on other teams. Many of the changes last year were almost specifically designed with our team in mind, and we still made the GF.
My immediate impression is that this will only encourage more diving. Nothing sickens me more than a gutless diver. And it has been exponentially increasing in AR over the last few years thanks mostly to the new interpretations. :thumbsd:
One thing the AFL should be warned about is that any changes that reduce the physicality of the code, and the ability of defenders to defend trends back towards the genuine aerial ping pong stuff that is painfully uninteresting to watch. Be careful what you wish for. I saw a replay on Foxfooty (RIP) last year of Syd vs Geel game from 87 at the the SCG where every clearance from the centre scored a goal. There were almost no stoppages, almost no hard tackling from either side, and non-existant defence. Some wish to bring this style back, but I have to say it was a truly pathetic spectacle. :thumbsd:
Corpuscles
2 Dec 2006, 10:35
Then explain to me why you like if it's going to be damaging to the Swans? That's the part i'm struggling to see.
Well it may yet not be damaging, that is just an opinion.
I can understand those fans who follow footy soley "one eyed" for their team (and I barely have any " vision" in the non Swans eye:D )
However there are others who along with their team also are simply fans of Aussie Rules Football and it is from that perspective I applaud the rule.... mind you depends on how it works ... could yet be a disaster if they over do it like they have done with the "deliberate out of bounds" rule.
Nat a super exaggerated! example maybe if AFL brought out a rule that said unless your colours include red and white.... you are not allowed to kick goals only behinds.... would you be happy about that rule? I don't think so but it would favour Swans.
OK the example is rediculous but the "new" rule effects all teams. I do not think assessing rule changes should be done soley on the basis of "does it help or hinder my team"
natlovestheswans
2 Dec 2006, 11:40
Well it may yet not be damaging, that is just an opinion.
I can understand those fans who follow footy soley "one eyed" for their team (and I barely have any " vision" in the non Swans eye:D )
However there are others who along with their team also are simply fans of Aussie Rules Football and it is from that perspective I applaud the rule.... mind you depends on how it works ... could yet be a disaster if they over do it like they have done with the "deliberate out of bounds" rule.
Nat a super exaggerated! example maybe if AFL brought out a rule that said unless your colours include red and white.... you are not allowed to kick goals only behinds.... would you be happy about that rule? I don't think so but it would favour Swans.
OK the example is rediculous but the "new" rule effects all teams. I do not think assessing rule changes should be done soley on the basis of "does it help or hinder my team"
I want to win another premiership. I'm a one eyed supporter and i have no problem admitting that. Aswell as thinking it's a stupid rule, i think potentially it could affect the chances of us winning the premiership next year.
is2SWaNz
2 Dec 2006, 19:27
Purrrlease. The AFL is becoming touchy about these. I know they are only making the game safer, but some rules are ridiculous. The push in the back, okay. We know Bazza puts his hands on the opponents back but only sometimes pushes in the back, but c'mon. It's becoming a non-contact sport. Where has this game gone to?
I guess we just gotta wait and see how Roosy and the players are going to do about this. They've got plans already sitting on the table. Bazza needs to take more marks above his head though (speckies too). I haven't seen those for ages...