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Freo Big Fella
5 Dec 2006, 22:37
This doesn't really become relevent until tomorrow, but I think there should be a thread to record Fleet Street's simultaneous leaping off the bandwagon.
Feel free to post back page headlines from the Sun, Mirror, Telegraph, News of the World, etc. when they appear tomorrow.:D
Bartram_Class
5 Dec 2006, 22:45
I'm looking forward to some KP bashing from the media, hope they get stuck into Giles too but thats a given.
You won't get owt from t'news of the World... It's a Sunday newspaper therefore only comes out on Sunday.
It'll be interesting to see where the Dailies go though... lots of Champions league games this evening so they'll probably relegate the Cricket to about 10 pages from the back.
Cassius_Clay
6 Dec 2006, 08:52
I'm looking forward to some KP bashing from the media, hope they get stuck into Giles too but thats a given.
Giles, Jones and Flintoff will cop it.
TheColeTrain
6 Dec 2006, 09:00
Well my brother is in England at the moment, and he reckons they only cover the Ashes when England was doing good, otherwise he didn't hear jack ********.
Bandwagoning poms
Andrew Mc
6 Dec 2006, 09:15
I like this quote from the Guardian:
"England's Ashes campaign disintegrated faster than the Adelaide Oval pitch today after Australia conjured a stunning six-wicket victory that leaves them two-nil up in the series."
Sorry, but there was nothing wrong with the pitch. It was a road. The only thing that disintegrated was the fragile English batsmen. No excuses in that pitch.
That was still a 350-400 run pitch in the 4th dig. The only thing wrong with the wicket was how flat it was.
JerryWexler
6 Dec 2006, 09:40
Flintoff will cop it.
Which is a shame IMO because he hasn't really done anything wrong.Apart from Hoggard he has been given ******** all support from his bowlers, and apart from Collingwood and the odd cameo from Pietersen nothing from his batsmen.On top of that he's expected to take all the wickets, clean up the sh*t left by the top order batsmen and tactically outplay another captain that has a better allround team at his disposal.I'm aware that onfield the buck stops with the captain, but if they were to really sink the boots into Flintoff, as the pommy media have a habit of doing to people, it would be completely unjustified.
Bombers_Forever
6 Dec 2006, 11:14
Flintoff shouldn't cop anything - like Hoggard, Collingwood and probably Peitersen, they tried everything possible to get England home.
LongBomb
6 Dec 2006, 11:18
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/asspatrol/wombles-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/asspatrol/wom.jpg
ShearMagic9
6 Dec 2006, 11:21
Well my brother is in England at the moment, and he reckons they only cover the Ashes when England was doing good, otherwise he didn't hear jack ********.
Bandwagoning poms
Its funny that.... when England posted their 6/551 I heard it maybe once on the radio.
After the Aussies won yesterday I heard it about 50 times.
What do you expect? Its not only England that do it.
Its funny that.... when England posted their 6/551 I heard it maybe once on the radio.
After the Aussies won yesterday I heard it about 50 times.
What do you expect? Its not only England that do it.
Was one of the greatest Test wins in history, deserved more coverage than it got. Especially when compared to the 6/551 borefest.
ShearMagic9
6 Dec 2006, 11:27
Was one of the greatest Test wins in history, deserved more coverage than it got. Especially when compared to the 6/551 borefest.
How could you possibly get any more coverage? Interrupt every single TV show on every single channel with an update?
IMO Fletcher should be the one that cops it. His negative selections have seriously backfired on this tour, and particularly in this test.
As captain Freddie also has to shoulder some responsibility of the selection errors, but how much say he really has is debatable.
How he could possibly select Giles ahead of Monty is beyond comprehension. He was simply appalling in this test... no flight, no drift, no dip, no spin and completely ineffective. Add into the mix the dropped catch and the backbone he was supposed to give the batting lineup and he may have cost them the test.
Having said this it is not his fault, he should not have been selected. I have no doubt he was out there busting his wheelie bin ass trying to do better, but he is a limited cricket pure and simple. Day 5 was a raging turner and he looked like a part time spinner.
Selection cost Aussies the Ashes IMO (MacGill not played and Hussey omitted) and it has already played a significant factor in this series for the Poms.
This tour has really highlighted how much the Poms need someone like Boof to replace the autocratic, negative and arrogant Fletcher.
How could you possibly get any more coverage? Interrupt every single TV show on every single channel with an update?
Was deserving of that yes
There is a poll on the Guardian website:-
Should Monty play in Perth?
94% Yes
6% No
:D
Joffaboy
6 Dec 2006, 12:39
Flintoff shouldn't cop anything - like Hoggard, Collingwood and probably Peitersen, they tried everything possible to get England home.
Agreed. All are quality. I do have a lingering doubt on Peiterson though. Not his obvious talent, but his attitude when the blowtorch is to the belly. Cracked under pressure twice yesterday while Hoggard, Flintoff, and Collingwood all played their part.
Had a look at the Sun and Mirror websites and they weren't too bad. I think they are in too much of a shock to go for the jugular just yet.
Ford Fairlane
6 Dec 2006, 12:45
The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/warnies-wombles/2006/12/06/1165080992986.html)thought this was worth reporting ... including The Sun headline pic of "Warnie's Wombles".
England team slammed by British media
December 6, 2006 - 11:30AM
England's dramatic defeat in the second Ashes Test prompted a chorus of discontent from the British media lamenting a return to the dark old days.
"Chokers" ran the Daily Mail banner headline. "It took England 16 years to regain the Ashes - these men gave them back yesterday in two hours of schoolboy panic."
"England lose the test that no one could lose," said the back page of The Sun while the Daily Express headline read: "England left in state of shock".
The Daily Telegraph chimed in with "England collapse brings point of no return" and The Times added: "England punished after hour of madness."
The Express said: "There have been some depressing days for England since they last won the Ashes in Australia 20 years ago, but few have matched yesterday in Adelaide for the mood of utter despair that settled on Andrew Flintoff's team."
The British media had been confident of an England victory after the first day, writing off experienced bowlers Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath who struggled in England's huge first innings total of 6-551 declared.
With Australia making a remarkable recovery, however, the papers were forced to make a rapid reassessment as England face up to the challenge of fighting back from 2-0 down starting with the third Test in Perth.
"It is a long way to Perth from just about anywhere in Australia, but England face an even greater journey when they get there after losing their second successive Ashes test in crushing circumstances," the Telegraph said.
Former England batsman Geoffrey Boycott said in his Telegraph column: "Make no mistake about it, the Ashes are gone. If you support England, don't kid yourself that they might come back. No England team in history have recovered from 2-0 down against Australia. And let's face it, on current form, this is not a side capable of making history."
Warne's compelling display brought a raft of praise.
"Shane Warne messed with the minds of England's batsmen so completely they were stripped of their sanity, spirit and spine," The Sun said.
"Warne is cricket's Peter Pan, the King of Neverland who reduced England to nothing less than a collective nervous breakdown," the Independent's James Lawton wrote.
The Times said the defeat exposed failings in England's management.
"There are failures of leadership behind England's approach, no matter how difficult it was to get on top of Shane Warne's bowling yesterday and how excellent Australia's cricket was throughout the final day," the paper said.
REUTERS
Freddie has generally been admirable but he has played a few rather casual shots thus far in the series.
Minotaur
6 Dec 2006, 13:56
IMO Fletcher should be the one that cops it. His negative selections have seriously backfired on this tour, and particularly in this test.
As captain Freddie also has to shoulder some responsibility of the selection errors, but how much say he really has is debatable.
How he could possibly select Giles ahead of Monty is beyond comprehension. He was simply appalling in this test... no flight, no drift, no dip, no spin and completely ineffective. Add into the mix the dropped catch and the backbone he was supposed to give the batting lineup and he may have cost them the test.
Having said this it is not his fault, he should not have been selected. I have no doubt he was out there busting his wheelie bin ass trying to do better, but he is a limited cricket pure and simple. Day 5 was a raging turner and he looked like a part time spinner.
Selection cost Aussies the Ashes IMO (MacGill not played and Hussey omitted) and it has already played a significant factor in this series for the Poms.
This tour has really highlighted how much the Poms need someone like Boof to replace the autocratic, negative and arrogant Fletcher.
Fantastic post. Absolutely spot on. The selection of a third rate keeper on account of the runs he might score as a second rate batsman is on a par with the Giles selection.
Australian selections continue to be extremely conservative and the Poms self-implosion should not cover some of the weaknesses in the Australian side.
TheColeTrain
6 Dec 2006, 14:24
Pathetic if they sink the boot into Flintoff, he can actually hold his head up along with Hoggard, Pieterson and Collingwood, the rest have been pathetic
Pathetic if they sink the boot into Flintoff, he can actually hold his head up along with Hoggard, Pieterson and Collingwood, the rest have been pathetic
Don't knock him as a player, but as a selector yes. Giles should not have played, pure and simple.
ShearMagic9
6 Dec 2006, 15:20
Don't knock him as a player, but as a selector yes. Giles should not have played, pure and simple.
Flintoff doesnt get a big say as far as selection goes, he is only the 'stand in' captain. Fletcher does most of the selecting.
British media concedes Ashes.
London - Just two Tests into the five-Test series, the British press on Wednesday largely conceded the Ashes to Australia after England crashed to a spectacular defeat at the Adelaide Oval.
The hosts came from behind to win by six wickets, going 2-0 up in the best-of-five series with three to play, leaving England with a mountain to climb in their battle to retain the Ashes.
The Daily Telegraph pointed out that when England held on to win the second Test of last year's series, then captain Michael Vaughan had said that if England had "gone 2-0 down, I don't think we'd have come back from that."
Yet that is the deficit that England faces, and former captain Geoffrey Boycott was unconditional in his declaration: "Make no mistake about it, the Ashes are gone."
"If you support England, don't kid yourself that they might come back," Boycott wrote in the Telegraph.
The Sun's match report was similarly downcast, saying that "the Ashes, won so spectacularly last year, have effectively now been surrendered."
"Realistically, England can achieve little more than damage limitation in the remaining three Tests."
The tabloid, Britain's best-read daily, even published a "Timetable of shame", recounting the exact timings of the English wickets that fell, and the Australian runs that won the match.
The Times, meanwhile, summarised the fifth day's action at Adelaide neatly in its match report, when it said: "Too much caution, the genius of Warne, and a needless run-out - that reliable catalyst for many a cricket calamity - combined to turn England's almost fireproof position overnight into a defeat as deeply disappointing as any in living memory."
Ian Bell's run-out, part of a horrible mix-up, was accompanied by a strong performance from Test cricket's greatest wicket-taker, who claimed 4-49 off 32 overs, to spark the English slide, with the tourists losing their last nine wickets for 60.
According to the newspaper, the Australians "seized the second Test on the final day in the manner of commandos raiding by night."
The Independent was even more gushing in its praise for Warne: "Inevitably, it was Warne who transformed what was widely expected to be a dull day into a memorable one."
"It is hard to find superlatives to describe how great a cricketer this man is. His legend grows at a faster rate than his tally of Test wickets... and he has nothing more to prove, but here he was getting dirty and pushing his sore and tired body to the limit to win a game of cricket for his side."
The general tenor of the British press was seen in the Daily Mail, which reported that there "is surely no way back from this for England - and nor do they deserve one after such a spineless surrender of the second Ashes Test."
"This turned out to be a horror show of historic proportions; England manufacturing an epic defeat from the harmless, bland passages of play that marked the game right up to the start of the final day." "England were quite simply an embarrassment."