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Truth Personified
7 Dec 2006, 16:31
Barry Richards
Arthur Morris
Bradman
Ponting
Tendulkar
Garry Sobres
Adam Gilchrist
Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillie
Glen McGrath
12th Wally Hammond.
A couple of players have been a bit stiff - Richards, Lara, G. Pollock, Border, etc.
Don Draper
7 Dec 2006, 16:39
How many Australians are in that side? 6? 7?
Havent you heard of any of the great west indian fast bowlers, batsman from England like Barrington (sp?) or Hobbs (first man knighted). It is probably the most impossible thing to pick as everyones opinion will differ from the next person.
The only people that I would say are certainties in the side are Sobers, Bradman and Warne. Every other posistion could be filled by two or three blokes.
-Mav
Don Draper
7 Dec 2006, 16:40
A couple of players have been a bit stiff - Richards, Lara, G. Pollock, Border, etc.
Border would never make an all time world XI. Full Stop.
-Mav
Truth Personified
7 Dec 2006, 16:40
A couple of players have been a bit stiff - Richards, Lara, G. Pollock, Border, etc.
Who would they displace? Feel free to post your team :)
Truth Personified
7 Dec 2006, 16:43
How many Australians are in that side? 6? 7?
Havent you heard of any of the great west indian fast bowlers, batsman from England like Barrington (sp?) or Hobbs (first man knighted). It is probably the most impossible thing to pick as everyones opinion will differ from the next person.
The only people that I would say are certainties in the side are Sobers, Bradman and Warne. Every other posistion could be filled by two or three blokes.
-Mav
I have, but I used Bradman's best Ever 11 as a guide as he is perhaps Australia's greatest ever selector and has seen more of any other player than any of us on this board.
I used his side as a reference and added my own variations where I saw fit.
Grimreepah
7 Dec 2006, 16:47
The only people that I would say are certainties in the side are Sobers, Bradman and Warne.
Good call. Ponting's close too, and in a few years we might be able to add him as another certainty.
How many Tests does Hussey have to play (assuming he continues his form) before he starts to get a mention?
Don Draper
7 Dec 2006, 16:53
Good call. Ponting's close too, and in a few years we might be able to add him as another certainty.
How many Tests does Hussey have to play (assuming he continues his form) before he starts to get a mention?
We will see when Ponting's career finishes but yes maybe he might be spoken as a certainty in a few years time.
Hussey would have to continue the same sort of form for years to come, retire from cricket after the age of 40 and have a test average above 60 with more then 4000 runs to his name. Big task.
The Reaper
7 Dec 2006, 16:57
1. Sunnil Gavaskar (India)
2. Sachin Tendulkar (India)
3. Don Bradman (Australia)
4. Viv Richards (West Indies)
5. Wally Hammond (England)
6. Garfield Sobers (West Indies)
7. Adam Gilchrist (Australia)
8. Shane Warne (Australia)
9. Dennis Lillee (Australia)
10. Michael Holding (West Indies)
11. Curtly Ambrose (West Indies)
Grimreepah
7 Dec 2006, 16:59
We will see when Ponting's career finishes but yes maybe he might be spoken as a certainty in a few years time.
Hussey would have to continue the same sort of form for years to come, retire from cricket after the age of 40 and have a test average above 60 with more then 4000 runs to his name. Big task.
I doubt that Hussey will play until he is 40, but it would take something drastic for him to not score more than 4000 runs.
Hussey will probably pass 4000 at the age of 34.
1. Sunnil Gavaskar (India)
2. Sachin Tendulkar (India)
3. Don Bradman (Australia)
4. Viv Richards (West Indies)
5. Wally Hammond (England)
6. Garfield Sobers (West Indies)
7. Adam Gilchrist (Australia)
8. Shane Warne (Australia)
9. Dennis Lillee (Australia)
10. Michael Holding (West Indies)
11. Curtly Ambrose (West Indies)
not sure if Tendulkar could qualify for on opening spot.
how many times has he opened in test cricket?
IMO If Pollock's career wasn't cut down so short, i expect he would have been in the best team of all time.
In my team, the batsmen would be out of: Bradman, Gavaskar, Hammond, Pollock, Richards, Lara, Sobers, Ponting, Tendulkar, Morris.
My all-rounders would be out of: Imran Khan, Keith Miller, Kapil Dev, Richard Hadlee, Gary Sobers, Botham.
Adam Gilchrist would probably be the w/k.
The bowlers: Warne, McGrath, Murali, Marshall, Walsh, Lillee, Trueman.
My team:
1. Hutton
2. Gavaskar
3. Bradman
4. Pollock
5. Sobers
6. Imran Khan
7. Gilchrist
8. Kapil Dev
9. Warne
10. Marshall
11. McGrath
12. Richard Hadlee
The Reaper
7 Dec 2006, 17:53
IMO If Pollock's career wasn't cut down so short, i expect he would have been in the best team of all time.
In my team, the batsmen would be out of: Bradman, Gavaskar, Hammond, Pollock, Richards, Lara, Sobers, Ponting, Tendulkar, Morris.
My all-rounders would be out of: Imran Khan, Keith Miller, Kapil Dev, Richard Hadlee, Gary Sobers, Botham.
Adam Gilchrist would probably be the w/k.
The bowlers: Warne, McGrath, Murali, Marshall, Walsh, Lillee, Trueman.
My team:
1. Hutton
2. Gavaskar
3. Bradman
4. Pollock
5. Sobers
6. Imran Khan
7. Gilchrist
8. Kapil Dev
9. Warne
10. Marshall
11. McGrath
12. Richard Hadlee
No love for Curtly Ambrose?
Sylvia Saint
7 Dec 2006, 18:04
I doubt that Hussey will play until he is 40, but it would take something drastic for him to not score more than 4000 runs.
Hussey will probably pass 4000 at the age of 34.
I think he could, he started his test career late and is probably the fittest and most energetic cricketer going around. Problem is once you experience a form slump after age 35 you're ********ed.
No love for Curtly Ambrose?
You're right - he would come very close.
Probably my all-time favourite bowler.
The Reaper
7 Dec 2006, 18:57
You're right - he would come very close.
Probably my all-time favourite bowler.
my all-time favourite player, hussey been a close second
Curtley Ambrose is the best fast bowler I've ever seen.
I rate him more highly than McGrath.
Oh When the Saints
7 Dec 2006, 19:00
1. Sunnil Gavaskar (India)
2. Sachin Tendulkar (India)
3. Don Bradman (Australia)
4. Viv Richards (West Indies)
5. Wally Hammond (England)
6. Garfield Sobers (West Indies)
7. Adam Gilchrist (Australia)
8. Shane Warne (Australia)
9. Dennis Lillee (Australia)
10. Michael Holding (West Indies)
11. Curtly Ambrose (West Indies)
Can't top that :thumbsu:
Kapil Dev 12th Man
Cassius_Clay
7 Dec 2006, 19:03
Barry Richards
Arthur Morris
Bradman
Ponting
Tendulkar
Garry Sobres
Adam Gilchrist
Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillie
Glen McGrath
12th Wally Hammond.
Richard Hadley? Please...
Malcolm Marshall is the best fast bowler I have ever seen - better than Lillee, Ambrose, Holding, McGrath, Hadlee, Akram....I would put Marshall in as the first choice quick bowler.
Cassius_Clay
7 Dec 2006, 19:27
Malcolm Marshall is the best fast bowler I have ever seen - better than Lillee, Ambrose, Holding, McGrath, Hadlee, Akram....I would put Marshall in as the first choice quick bowler.
Totally agree. He was 10x the bowler Holding was.
Ambrose was the most intimidating quick of the lot.
He makes Brett Lee's huffing and puffing look like cricket's version of bambi.
Constipated Duck
7 Dec 2006, 20:33
J.Hobbs
W.Ponsford
D.Bradman
G.Pollock
G.Sobers
K.Miller
A.Gilchrist
Imran Khan
R.Hadlee
S.Warne
M.Marshall
No Viv Richards, Allan Border, Ian Botham, Dennis Lillee, WG Grace, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram, etc etc.. there's NO right answer to this question!:o
Ambrose was the most intimidating quick of the lot.
He makes Brett Lee's huffing and puffing look like cricket's version of bambi.
Would you mind taking those sweatbands off ? :thumbsu:
UpForGrabs
7 Dec 2006, 21:09
1) Sunil Gavaskar (India)
2) Barry Richards (SAf)
3) Sir Don Bradman (Australia - C)
4) Sir Vivian Richards (West Indies)
5) Sir Garfield Sobers (West Indies)
6) Adam Gilchrist (Australia - WK)
7) Imran Khan (Pakistan - VC)
8) Sir Richard Hadlee (New Zealand)
9) Malcolm Marshall (West Indies)
10) Shane Warne (Australia)
11) Dennis Lillee (Australia)
12) M Muralitharan (Sri Lanka)
Say what you want about Murali's action - but his record is second only to Warne. If it's a turning deck that this hypothetical side is playing on, he's got to be in the side. Hardest spots to pick were the second opener (Gavaskar has to be a lock). Richards gets the nod based on what might have been (in the test arena). Gilchrist gets the WK nod simply because of his batting (although I don't think his keeping's nearly as bad as some say it is). Fast bowlers pick themselves. Lillee and Hadlee to open the bowling with Marshall on at first change with Imran (go Tiger!).
Surprised not many have included Hutton.
Surprised no-one has included Hutton.
Apologies if someone has.
My team:
1. Hutton
2. Gavaskar
3. Bradman
4. Pollock
5. Sobers
6. Imran Khan
7. Gilchrist
8. Kapil Dev
9. Warne
10. Marshall
11. McGrath
12. Richard Hadlee
I included him in mine.
I included him in mine.
Ok, my bad.
Truth Personified
7 Dec 2006, 22:11
Anyone who fails to include Ponting is really kidding themselves, he's the best number 3 since the Don.
King Elvis
7 Dec 2006, 22:18
Hussey will probably pass 4000 at the age of 34.
I expect him to do it by Christmas.
apollo_creed
7 Dec 2006, 23:09
I'm sorry people but McGrath is not a better bowler than Ambrose was.
Obviously most of you saw little of Ambrose bowl.
apollo_creed
7 Dec 2006, 23:14
My bowling attack would be
Warne
Lillee
Ambrose
Akram
Without question.
Those who've been here a while probably know how much I love Wasim, I think I can speak for a few here in saying I miss watching him bowl.
Marshall would be the fifth option.
I've seen as much footage from the 70's and 80's as possible and wouldn't hesitate to say Ambrose > any of the West Indian quicks from that time.
Marshall was brilliant as was Holding but imo Abrose was in a different class. His stats along with Marshall's I believe are ridiculously brilliant.
As for the batting,
Ponting and Bradman would figure for the Aussies.
Lara, Richards and Sobers would be all be there as well.
As for an opener and a keeper, I'm not sure but like many have said Gilchrist would be right up there.
Gilchrist has never opened for Australia. Why would he be considered as an opener in an All time World XI?
Why don't you post a complete team? The beauty with having Kapil Dev, Hadlee, Sobers, and/or Imran Khan in you team is that you may not need 3 specialist fast bowlers.
spell_check
7 Dec 2006, 23:28
How many Australians are in that side? 6? 7?
Havent you heard of any of the great west indian fast bowlers, batsman from England like Barrington (sp?) or Hobbs (first man knighted). It is probably the most impossible thing to pick as everyones opinion will differ from the next person.
The only people that I would say are certainties in the side are Sobers, Bradman and Warne. Every other posistion could be filled by two or three blokes.
-Mav
I would agree with this. It's impossible to choose 11 players for an all time World XI. Rather, choose what you think is the best XI, then choose another two teams below.
Would you mind taking those sweatbands off ? :thumbsu:
Classic Dean Jones brain-fart. :D
I would agree with this. It's impossible to choose 11 players for an all time World XI. Rather, choose what you think is the best XI, then choose another two teams below.
Me too. The best I could come up with is a few certainties - Bradman, Sobers, Gilchrist, Warne and Marshall are in my first choice XI every time - Lillee is very close too. But I can't pick a side around that - too many top quality players.
Look at the opening position - Hutton's record is incredible. Gavaskar played in the strongest fast bowling era and dominated. Barnes had a super record for a short period of time. Hobbs is one of the greats. Ponsford. Greenidge. Dravid could realistically be considered an opening option. Sobers could easily open and dominate although his limited record as an opener is average.
Then the middle order - I never thought that Viv Richards would be anything but an automatic selection but it is difficult to fit him into the middle order. George Headley has gone largely unmentioned but his record stands up as one of the greatest, albeit over a limited period of time. The same could be said for Pollock. Ken Barrington's reputation suffers a bit because he was apparently efficient rather than exciting but he has one of the great Test records. Chappell averaged 54 (better with Supertests) against some of the best quicks ever. Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Dravid, Kallis - all great players possibly with a question mark over the quality of bowling they have faced in the current era. If Punter can end up averaging 60 over 150 tests, then he has to be in the side somewhere - but it may be too early to make him a definite. Where will Yousuf end up in all time rankings?
With bowling, do you select the absolute best (Lillee, Larwood, Ambrose, McGrath etc) or do you pick the next rung (Dev, Khan, Botham) on the basis that they allow you to bat to 8 or 9? Alan Davidson's record stacks up against as well or better than any of the 70s/80s all-rounders - batting average of 24, bowling average of 20.53. Do you pick 2 specialist spinners or rely on Sobers to provide the second spin option? SF Barnes provides both spin and pace and is named by many as the greatest bowler ever.
My line up would be:
Hutton
Gavaskar
Bradman
Barrington
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Marshall
Warne
Lillee
Barnes
In 5 minutes, that side would change.
Blues_Man
8 Dec 2006, 09:10
Border would never make an all time world XI. Full Stop.
-Mav
Yes 11,000 test runs at an average of 50 ...nowhere near the class of other blokes around the place ..maybe Mike Brearley would be your selection :rolleyes:
Blues_Man
8 Dec 2006, 09:13
Ambrose was the most intimidating quick of the lot.
He makes Brett Lee's huffing and puffing look like cricket's version of bambi.
you really do have no idea do you ? Marshall, Garner, Roberts, and Holding were all better bowlers than Ambrose
Blues_Man
8 Dec 2006, 09:14
I'm sorry people but McGrath is not a better bowler than Ambrose was.
Obviously most of you saw little of Ambrose bowl.
this coming from a bloke who admits he has never seen Holding , Roberts , Garner, bowl :rolleyes:
The Reaper
8 Dec 2006, 09:20
SF Barnes provides both spin and pace and is named by many as the greatest bowler ever.
My line up would be:
Hutton
Gavaskar
Bradman
Barrington
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Marshall
Warne
Lillee
Barnes
In 5 minutes, that side would change.
Wisden once tried to do a statistical analysis to decide who was better: murali and warne. They concluded that Sidney Barnes was a better bowler than either of them.
Don Draper
8 Dec 2006, 09:38
Yes 11,000 test runs at an average of 50 ...nowhere near the class of other blokes around the place ..maybe Mike Brearley would be your selection :rolleyes:
It seems you are one of only a few that would even consider him in a side but ehy that is your opinion.
He wouldnt make the side in front of Hutton, Hobbs, Barrington, Headley, Weekes, Lara, Richards, Tendulkar, Bradman, Morris, Gavaskar, Barry Richards, G Pollock, Sobers.........the list goes on.
-Mav
It seems you are one of only a few that would even consider him in a side but ehy that is your opinion.
He wouldnt make the side in front of Hutton, Hobbs, Barrington, Headley, Weekes, Lara, Richards, Tendulkar, Bradman, Morris, Gavaskar, Barry Richards, G Pollock, Sobers.........the list goes on.
-Mav
Agree
Border played in a very strong era for a very poor side for a very long time. His average of 50 is comparable IMO to the 53-55 averages of a lot of current batsmen. But that still leaves a good 10 batsmen ahead of him on averages alone.
Border was not even the best batsman of his era IMO. As much as I admired AB as a player, there really isn't room in a World XI for him.
Adelaide Hawk
8 Dec 2006, 10:42
I'm sorry people but McGrath is not a better bowler than Ambrose was.
Obviously most of you saw little of Ambrose bowl.
I agree with this. As great a bowler as McGrath is, I've often thought him to be a little over-rated, especially when people start telling me he is better than Dennis Lillee. What twadle.
The only West Indian bowlers I would even try to compare with Ambrose are Marshall and Holding. Roberts comes a close 4th.
Did someone say Andrew Flower? :thumbsu: